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Cpt Archon	Posted - 2007.06.11 23:49:00 - [1] I know there are many Topics about this, but no Topic helped me answering my question. In my Raven PvP Fitting I use this: [High] 6x Cruise Missile Launcher 2x 125mm Railguns I dont know anything about Armor Tanking but what do you think of this? [Low] 1x Large Armor Repairer 1x Basic Reactiv Plating (Explo Res.) 1x 800mm Reinforced Sttel Plating 1x Balistic Controll System And what Warefare Units should I fit in Med? I thought about a Target Disruptor, Warp Disruptor and Stasis Webifire. P.S. This PvP Fitting should be for a group of 4-6 Player, no solo fit. Any way to passiv tank would be greate ^^
Redglare's Demise Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.06.11 23:58:00 - [2] lol ?
HelloDevette	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:13:00 - [3] get rid of the large rep... put a big plate down there(atleast 1) and get rid of the rails and use atleast 1 NOS. Put some damps and sensor booster in meds.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:14:00 - [4] There is only one reason to armor tank a Raven, hint, it goes in the mids. Also, your not doing it right. As for the tank. LAR, EANM/EANM 1600MM plate and a BCU, or another plate. Should work. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:15:00 - [5] damps+ sebos + armor tank lows maybe bcu or two for damage works well tho i like a capinjected shieldtank with crystals ALOT better
Cpt Archon	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:15:00 - [6] why no repairer?
ZenTex Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:17:00 - [7] Played around with armour small gang raven myself. It's probably sucky since I'm an armour noob. Highs: 6 cruises 1 heavy NOS MED: 1xCap booster 1xWeb 1xpainter 1xAB 1x warp disruptor 1x targeting scrambler Lows: 1x1600mm plate 1xlarge rep 1 explosive hardener 1 kinetic hardener. 1x BCU I have 1 highslot left and 700PG/114 CPU left. Could fit a med nos or med rail. Could also drop the AB and use aq 2nd webber/targeting scrambler and fit something more serious in the last highslot with the freed PG (dual 250 L rail?). Depends on the gang. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
Danirus	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:19:00 - [8] High 6x Cruise Launcher II 1x Drone Link Augmentor I Medium 2x Medium Cap Booster 3x Sensor Booster II 1x Warp Disruptor II Low 1x Damage Control System II 2x Large 'Accomodation' Armour Repair 2x Ballistic Control Unit II Rigs hydraulic bay thrusters I warhead calefaction catalyst I targeting system subcontroller I Drones 4x Medium Sensor Dampeners 3x meduim target painters In large fleets this setup locks onto anything in a few seconds including inties (4.5 secs approx) Changing 1 ballistic control for a reactor control II gives me enough power to fit a heavy NOS (still playing around with this setup to get it right, I may change the rigs for more armour resists)
Cpt Archon	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:37:00 - [9] I now would use this: [High] 6x Cruise Missile Launcher 2x 125mm Railguns (for Frigates) [Med] 1x Warp Disruptor 3x Sensor Booster 2x Med. Cap. Booster [Low] 2x Large Armor Repairer 1x Reactor Controll Unit 1x Damage Controll 1x Balistic Controll System [Rig] 1x Hydraulic Bay Thrusters 1x Warhead Calefaction Catalyst 1x Targeting System Subcontroller
ZenTex Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:48:00 - [10] Why waste 2 highs on 125mm's? Not like you're gonna hit them without webber, you're in a gang, best have a specialized ship take care of frigs and if you really want to help with frigs, paint/web them. Like I said, I'm an armour noob, but 2 LAR without any armour resists? If you drop 1 LAR I bet you could drop the RCU aswell. There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p

Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:51:00 - [11] Isn't the only reason for armor tanking a raven so that you can fit 3 RSDs?
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 03:53:00 - [12] i think thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
Privious	Posted - 2007.06.12 05:16:00 - [13] why would you ever armor tank a Raven?... Shield tank is much better:S
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 05:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Privious why would you ever armor tank a Raven?... Shield tank is much better:S This is what happens when carebears decide to PVP,damn rich people.....
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.12 05:34:00 - [15] Edited by: Aries Acheron on 12/06/2007 05:33:20 People armor tank ravens all the time. Those midslots become mean EW mods, for Sensor damps. It's not like a Raven's shield tank when fit for PVP (minimum 2 slots taken up by PVP gear) is particularly strong either. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Karma Coma The Rising Stars	Posted - 2007.06.12 06:28:00 - [16] Sorry if I offend anyone but, to be honest, you caldari pilots have lived so long without mid-slots that you don't know what to do with them
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:08:00 - [17] wow some of the most funniest pvp setups ive seen. CMII nos 1 SB 1 MWD 4 RSD 3 BCUII 1 DC 1 1600mm Plate I dont have a high grad, so no shield tank for me, iam a friend of max damage and less tank. When iam bored flying a ceptor i normaly fly a raven like this, or with torps t2, depends on the enemie.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:26:00 - [18] 6x launcher 1x cloak 3x RSD 2x sensorbooster 1x whatever (painter or so) 2x BCU, 1600 plate, med repper, EANM burn eden love xD
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.06.12 07:31:00 - [19] Been a while since I have flown a Raven but there is no reason why an armour tank backed up by EW won't work, However it won't be a great tank and it wont have that much gank. Something like this, assuming you have a tackler: Hi 6 arbalest cruise. 2 spare slots for what ever you can fit on spare PG (I would have around 250 PG left so a small and medium nos would be ok, but my fitting skills are reasonably good, a newer player might struggle) Mids - Large injector. Web. 4 slots for EW/Sensor booster. Damps would work pretty well. Low. Large repper (preferably t2), 1600 rolled tungsten, explosive and kinetic active hardeners, best dcu you can afford. Rigs. Thermal resistance rig. 2 rigs to up missile damage (no idea what these are called). I would have around 200-250 PG left so a small and medium nos would be ok in the 2 remaining hislots, but my fitting skills are reasonably good, a newer player might struggle.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:58:00 - [20] Luke, with a raven you always want to be at range since even with damps on up-close they will eventually lock you and get through your paperthin tank. Trick is to trap them in a bubble and hold them down from a distance. Kind of like what BE do on a daily base.

Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Karma Coma Sorry if I offend anyone but, to be honest, you caldari pilots have lived so long without mid-slots that you don't know what to do with them qft ---
Marcus Alkhaar Conisor Excavations Syndicate Antagonistic Assembly	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 12/06/2007 09:24:04 Edit for now!
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.06.12 09:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Sokratesz Luke, with a raven you always want to be at range since even with damps on up-close they will eventually lock you and get through your paperthin tank. Trick is to trap them in a bubble and hold them down from a distance. Kind of like what BE do on a daily base. True - I agree that if you have the bubble and the right people with you then the web and nos are redundant. However for a more general pvp fit, rather than out and out Burn Eden style piracy, then I would want a little insurance if someone did get in close. A nos or two in the spare highs, plus one mid given over to a webber gives some protecting vs tacklers if things go wrong. Maybe 1 medium nos and painter would be a better fit. So: 6 cruise med nos, painter injector, web, sensor booster, 3 dampners lar2, 1600, 2 active hardeners, dcu with 1 tank and 2 bcu type rigs that gives fair ranged firepower against a range of targets, enough dampage to be a significant pain in the backside and a useable - if thin armour tank.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 12/06/2007 05:33:20 People armor tank ravens all the time. Those midslots become mean EW mods, for Sensor damps. It's not like a Raven's shield tank when fit for PVP (minimum 2 slots taken up by PVP gear) is particularly strong either. Lol sensor damps on a raven. You might as well go with a sensor dampening domi and stick to race specific EW.
Ghan Tylous The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:45:00 - [25] Originally by: alexreborn i think thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. Until you meet Burn Eden somewhere in 0.0/low-sec. --- It have always fallen to a few to sacrifice for the good of many Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Lou Margoulin	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:54:00 - [26] Originally by: alexreborn Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 12/06/2007 05:33:20 People armor tank ravens all the time. Those midslots become mean EW mods, for Sensor damps. It's not like a Raven's shield tank when fit for PVP (minimum 2 slots taken up by PVP gear) is particularly strong either. Lol sensor damps on a raven. You might as well go with a sensor dampening domi and stick to race specific EW. you noob ... Raven is as good as a domi when using RSD ... or you only use painter on a typhoon ?
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:20:00 - [27] LOL come on Im a noob? Never though Id see plates on a raven. Though I could see the surprise in gang warfare. "Guys primary the raven" alright "oh man his shields are almost down, hes going to melt!!!!" ..... .... ... "WTF hes armor tanking" silence on comms... "HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA WATCH HIM MELT FASTER!!!!"
Kather Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:28:00 - [28] Originally by: alexreborn LOL come on Im a noob? Never though Id see plates on a raven. Though I could see the surprise in gang warfare. "Guys primary the raven" alright "oh man his shields are almost down, hes going to melt!!!!" ..... .... ... "WTF hes armor tanking" silence on comms... "HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA WATCH HIM MELT FASTER!!!!" the idea of a armor tanked raven is to not get shot (hence the RSDs) this has already been mentioned in the thread --------------------------------------------- Long live the Evil Proctologists!
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:48:00 - [29] Not get shot? Sensor damps are good for very very small engagements. Maybe a 1 on 1, it will work. Then Id agree with you, assuming you can stay out of range, but if you cant, once you get locked you will melt to anything. For larger engagements sensor damps are useless. Sure you can sensor damp one guy down to 7km range ( 1 bs that is) But then the other 4 primary you. Then you just melt because you have zero tank, and do bad DPS to start with. I really think your better of sticking with the standard PVP setup, shield tank mids, damage mods lows, and cruise/torps high. Fun to try for 1 on 1 for some belt piracy. NOt a practicaly setup for anything else.
Kather Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:31:00 - [30] Originally by: alexreborn Not get shot? Sensor damps are good for very very small engagements. Maybe a 1 on 1, it will work. Then Id agree with you, assuming you can stay out of range, but if you cant, once you get locked you will melt to anything. For larger engagements sensor damps are useless. Sure you can sensor damp one guy down to 7km range ( 1 bs that is) But then the other 4 primary you. Then you just melt because you have zero tank, and do bad DPS to start with. then use the raven for small scale engagements/gate camps. use a rokh for fleet stuff. --------------------------------------------- Long live the Evil Proctologists!

Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:17:00 - [31] and if you got friends, who also dampen the enemy, you can all damp one ship each and then eat them one by one
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:30:00 - [32] Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. A) Warfare at gates usualy consists of your ships being within 5 to 10km range (tops) of each other. COnsidering how most BS's use turrets most people WILL NEED TO BE IN OPTIMAL range. LAst time I checked optimal for tech 2 blasters is not 20 km. B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. C) counting on the enemy not hitting you is ********. All the need is one lachesis or arazu and your damping extravagenze fails. I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. the stuff you guys are talking about works on paper. It makes sense on paper. But in actaul engagements it makes no sense. In real situations you are at most 5 km from another ship. Especially when gate camping, or engaging at a camp. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 13:38:00 - [33] UII I would really like to go on a op with you and watch you dictate who sensor damps who so that all your damps are covered effectively. Then Id like to see you call primaries.
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.06.12 14:48:00 - [34] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. Actually yes I have - more than a few. Sometimes an sensor damp raven would have been useful sometimes not. Originally by: alexreborn [I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. Pity you didnt put any money where your mouth was. Actually I spend most of my time in 0.0. As for real battles - 1v1 , 5v5, 200v200, been involved in them all. No-one said armour tanking a Raven is a brilliant idea or even the best way to fit one. Like anything it has it's merits and it's faults. The OP asked if it could be done and for a workable setup - which several people here have posted. At least some of what you say is true, but don't assume that people who post setups you dislike are idiots, the only person that make look stupid is yourself.
Eamz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:13:00 - [35] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. A) Warfare at gates usualy consists of your ships being within 5 to 10km range (tops) of each other. COnsidering how most BS's use turrets most people WILL NEED TO BE IN OPTIMAL range. LAst time I checked optimal for tech 2 blasters is not 20 km. B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. C) counting on the enemy not hitting you is ********. All the need is one lachesis or arazu and your damping extravagenze fails. I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. the stuff you guys are talking about works on paper. It makes sense on paper. But in actaul engagements it makes no sense. In real situations you are at most 5 km from another ship. Especially when gate camping, or engaging at a camp. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED. lolnub
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:28:00 - [36] Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 B) When you sacrifice tank for EWar you die fast. In the case of a raven, sacrificing its mids to run an armor tank is just plain wrong. That EW will give you 30 seconds on 1 bs. ones he locks you, you will melt. Not to mention, you wont kill anything if you have everyone sensor dampened. GUESS WHAT NO ONE CAN AGRESS IF THEY ARE 100% EWARED. You do realize that you can shoot whatever you want in 0.0 without anyone agressing you first, right? You also do realize that RSD's not only make you take longer to lock, they also decrease your locking range.....so put a couple of those on there, and ppl might have to be too close to hit you in order to lock. And btw, this tank is as good as a 500 mil shield tank in a huge battle. Want to know why? When you actually do get primaried and hit by 10+ ships at once, no tank will hold.
Annabolica Ardente Metabolism	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:55:00 - [37] Ok here goes... Note that i never have flown anything caldari but frigs before. 6x Siege II , Rage loaded 1x T2 Cloak 3x RSD II 1x 'PWNAGE' Painter 1x SB II 1x Warp Disruptor II 3x 1600mm RT 1x DCU II 1x BCU II 3x Trimark Pumps Should work kinda like an oversized stealth bomber. Cloak somewhere, in a belt / gate / at station for example. Watch scanner for a suiting target, like an unexpecting BC / hauler or something. Decloak, pwn, then warp out and cloak as fast as possible. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes - Tallan ([email protected])
Corwain Gallente Zero Team	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:07:00 - [38] Originally by: alexreborn I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. And I guess you're just a ganker that has never flown solo, cause when you do and you pick targets carefully you CAN have one on one fights. In such fights locking a single opponent down can be very important. Try playing all aspects of the game before bashing others styles.
Ghargon D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:14:00 - [39] Shield tanking ravens suck in gang warfare compared to armor tanked ones. Standard raven armor tanking setup: Hi: 6x cruise missile launcher 2, 2x whatever you want realy Mid:1x med cap booster, 1x disruptor 2, then i generally go for either 4 t2 damp or 4 t2 tracking disruptors. Although its perfectly viable to fit in a sensor booster. Low:1x large t2 armor rep 2x enegized adaptive nano, 1x damage control 2, 1x 1600mm rolled tungsten. Drones: 5x med t2's 5x light t2's Although the setup doesnt output much damage it is a hell of alot more use due to being able to effectively neutralise two other bs's at a time. The reason the low slots are all set for tanking is because a ravens tank is pretty thin as it is, here at least you might be able to tank something. Just my 2 isk I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Annabolica Ardente Ok here goes... Note that i never have flown anything caldari but frigs before. 6x Siege II , Rage loaded 1x T2 Cloak 3x RSD II 1x 'PWNAGE' Painter 1x SB II 1x Warp Disruptor II 3x 1600mm RT 1x DCU II 1x BCU II 3x Trimark Pumps Should work kinda like an oversized stealth bomber. Cloak somewhere, in a belt / gate / at station for example. Watch scanner for a suiting target, like an unexpecting BC / hauler or something. Decloak, pwn, then warp out and cloak as fast as possible. The only T2 cloak you can fit on a raven is an improved cloaking device,Which has a base Sensor recalibration of 20 second,assuming cloaking V that's 10 seconds....That's ample time for someone to align/warp out,or damp you or just kill you before you manage a lock.

alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:47:00 - [41] LOL pity i didn't put my money where my mouth is...... wow... do you even know how to use that phrase? In any case armor tanking a raven has no merits. Its just a waste of a ship that ALREADY sucks for anything pvp related.. Originally by: Luke Pubcrawler Originally by: alexreborn Edited by: alexreborn on 12/06/2007 13:29:32 I take it you haven't been in too many engagements at a gate have you now? Have you ever broken up a camp? Probably not. Actually yes I have - more than a few. Sometimes an sensor damp raven would have been useful sometimes not. Originally by: alexreborn [I guess most of you haven;t been in any real battles. I bet youre all carebears up in high sec that just use quick fit to talk on the EVE O forums LOL. Pity you didnt put any money where your mouth was. Actually I spend most of my time in 0.0. As for real battles - 1v1 , 5v5, 200v200, been involved in them all. No-one said armour tanking a Raven is a brilliant idea or even the best way to fit one. Like anything it has it's merits and it's faults. The OP asked if it could be done and for a workable setup - which several people here have posted. At least some of what you say is true, but don't assume that people who post setups you dislike are idiots, the only person that make look stupid is yourself.
Dangerously Cheesey Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Sokratesz 6x launcher 1x cloak 3x RSD 2x sensorbooster 1x whatever (painter or so) 2x BCU, 1600 plate, med repper, EANM burn eden love xD This, more or less. Dictor baits at gate, bubbles, jumps, ravens warp in at 150+km and start owning.
Danirus	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:38:00 - [43] Personally i couldn't give a toss what people think of my setup, I only play eve for the fun factor and nothing bores me more than flying a shield tanked raven with a 20-30 second lock on, just to find i'm dampened and can no longer lock anything then to be scrambled and toasted without getting a shot off, at least with 400+ scan resolution I get a chance at picking some targets and unleashing my wrath. I used to fly in roaming gangs with this setup and did quite well, always locked primary within a few seconds and watched them melt. I've never liked the sensor Dampening method as it takes way too long to lock the target and usually by the time you do, it's popped anyway and thats before your missiles hit. I guess everyone has their own opinions about how a raven should be fit, personally I think it's the pilots playstyle that counts, afterall the element of suprise can be your best weapon. Like it's been said if you shield tank or armour tank, once you're primaried and scrambled you're gonna die no matter what.
alexreborn	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:32:00 - [44] Is that a new OSS tactic? how many ravens in this gang? 80? or 100? I know OSS never roams without 50 man gank fleet waiting around the corner. If I saw a dictor at a gate with an OSS player, I know it would mean 1 thing: Blob gank squad is aruond the corner.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:16:00 - [45] Originally by: alexreborn Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 12/06/2007 05:33:20 People armor tank ravens all the time. Those midslots become mean EW mods, for Sensor damps. It's not like a Raven's shield tank when fit for PVP (minimum 2 slots taken up by PVP gear) is particularly strong either. Lol sensor damps on a raven. You might as well go with a sensor dampening domi and stick to race specific EW. You might as well stick your foot in your mouth, since you have a bigger chance of killing something than a dampening domi. I understand in the heat of the moment you may have let your emotions get the better of you, but try following this process when posting on these threads: THINK -------------> POST
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:31:00 - [46] "In any case armor tanking a raven has no merits. Its just a waste of a ship that ALREADY sucks for anything pvp related.. " quoted by alexreborn You sir are a moron... Evil Pookie BURN EDEN 3373 kills, 42 losses, 80.31:1 ratio, 199.12 billion ISK inflicted in damage, and 10931 points Kills / Losses by class 316 / 0 Battlecruiser 887 / 29 Battleship 556 / 13 Capsule 4 / 0 Carrier 478 / 0 Cruiser 19 / 0 Destroyer 1 / 0 Dreadnought 36 / 0 Elite Battlecruiser 154 / 0 Elite Cruiser 46 / 0 Elite Destroyer 286 / 0 Elite Frigate 34 / 0 Elite Industrial 1 / 0 Freighter 182 / 0 Frigate 237 / 0 Industrial 10 / 0 Mining Barge 43 / 0 Rookie ship 83 / 0 Shuttle Ships used in PvP 1: Raven [3367] 2: Caracal Navy Issue [3] 3: Vigil [2] 4: Capsule [1] I have alts that can fly every BS in the game and my preference is the armour tanked raven. You sir are a moron....
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:42:00 - [47] Just got served! now its on!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:56:00 - [48] For me: 6x siege II, 2x something(depends, usually something silly offline) mwd, sbII, 4x rsd 3x bcu II, 2x 1600mm plate 1x missile velocity rig, 2x dampener strength rig Without missile rig you can't own from 150km, though javelin nerf made me cry alot. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.


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