By this definition neuts and damps should be nerfed, err, excuse me, "changed," also.

I take a one year break from the game and someone has told me now that Caldari ships are ACTUALLY being used in PVP?!

Have all of you lost your freaking mind? I spec'd Caldari because unlike my commy/liberal-pinko RL attitudes, in internet spaceships I wanted to be a vicious fascist/anarcho-capitalist pig. Then I found out that Caldari ships were complete crap, everyone armor tanked, and none of them could do anything worthwhile in pvp.

There were rare exceptions, you anal-retentive bastards. I know, blah blah blah, Ham Drake. TORPS R GOOD. I saw the video, and, yeah, I can' spend a billion on pirate-faction crap to make it work too. (no I can't, I'm broke, please send ISK)

But besides for soloboating pirate scum, every time you wanted to fleet up you couldn't meet DPS needs because your lowslots were now a massive plate, DC, and some other such crap.

So is it true? Some rumor was that goonswarm was running shield pvp fleets. Another was that Hybrids were actually comparable weapons to other guns. Space stations are filled with fairies and love and CCP is going to give us all a month free to make up for extended downtimes. (figure out which one's I'm serious about)

After a year of playing, DETERMINED to fly the Rokh because it looks like a giant Engine of space-doom, are you actually telling me it could be viable fleet ship?! Because I'm about to plan Gallente and inquiring minds want to know.

/incredulity

PS: Need a solid solo-boat, pirate-scum pvp fit for a caldari cruiser.

Should I post a fraps of me active tanking a domi, drake, and cane with 5 neuts on me? Should I post a video of getting under an Arazu's damps and tackling him anyway? Should I post a video of me flying properly to mitigate TDs?

Maybe I should post a video of a Curse instantly neuting out an entire enemy fleet the instant it lands on the field. Or maybe I should post a video of an Arazu uncloaking and instantly locking 5 people out of a close range fight...

Basically: No. You are wrong.

-Liang

Should I post a fraps of me active tanking a domi, drake, and cane with 5 neuts on me? Should I post a video of getting under an Arazu's damps and tackling him anyway? Should I post a video of me flying properly to mitigate TDs?

Maybe I should post a video of a Curse instantly neuting out an entire enemy fleet the instant it lands on the field. Or maybe I should post a video of an Arazu uncloaking and instantly locking 5 people out of a close range fight...

Basically: No. You are wrong.

-Liang

Have you ever flown ECM bro? ECM locking down huge portions of the enemy fleet is common place - and in small gang warfare locking down the entire enemy fleet is really quite common.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeee.... Basically: ECM is a problem because of the following:
- Ewar ships are force multipliers in all gangs that they scale to. ECM scales up fairly high as far as ewar goes. This means that you are not gimping your gang by bringing a Falcon along unless the gang you are fighting (not your gang) really big. I know for fact that 2x scorps can make a massive difference in a 70 v 50 - to the point that the 50 will easily win. (I was the scorp pilots).
- All other ewar can be mitigated through piloting.
- All other ewar can focuses the ewar ship on 1-2 enemies, not 5-8 enemies.
- Against many ships (T1/T2 cruiser and smaller as a rule) ECM can maintain a 100% guaranteed permajam
- ECM prevents not just damage but also RR, counter ewar, and tackle.

Furthermore, there's literally **** all you can do about it.

The mechanic itself needs changed, and just because you have more than one bonus to your ewar doesn't mean you should have so many effects.

-Liang

I bring you the ship that half of 0.0 is flying right now:

[Rokh, Fleet Rokh]
Damage Control II
Signal Amplifier II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large Shield Extender II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II

425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I

Looks quite Caldari.

Don't know about that mate, Down in the Curse region it's Drake central, usually mixed in is the odd rapier and Dram.

Tried this with All V skills, and it didn't fit. Would need powermod. Now I'm filled with rage. You can fit this thing with 350mm rails and do just fine with it though.

It amazes me how many of you twats get your panties in a twist over ECM and then spray your tears and ***** juice all over the forums about it.

Grow the **** up and get over it. If you want to cry all day about how ECM is an unstoppable menace then dock the **** up, biomass your toon and go back to your my little ponies and easy-back ovens.

I spent a lot of time training this toon for Recon V and max ECM skills. And even after all those SP I am at risk of losing a Falcon every time I decloak. Unlike all other EW, ECM is chance based, which means there is always a chance I wonGÇÖt get any jams or miss a jam, and then my ******* ship explodes. And IGÇÖm sorry that some of you wet vaginas are sad in the pants when your 6 man frigate gang is not completely unstoppable like you want it to be, and a T2 cruiser is actually able to jam you out. Waah, Waah you poor things.

Also, realize that against any fleet with more people than the Falcon has jams said Falcons can die almost as soon as they uncloak. Then when you are facing a large gang Falcons are virtually useless because they will become insta prime the second they decloak. So in reality Falcons are only really good with small gangs and mediocre against medium gang fleets anyways. Even in large fleet fights, Scorps are almost always the first primary which means very quickly there wonGÇÖt be any ECM of the field during a large fleet engagement.

Even with my extensive SP and bad-ass Falcon piloting skills there is still always a chance I will miss a jam, and always a chance I could die. Falcons are paper thin and any skilled fleet knows how to kill them quickly. IGÇÖm sorry some of you **** tards donGÇÖt. IGÇÖm sorry some of you idiots want your 8 man nano gangs to be able to kill anything in its path, but guess what ladies, that ainGÇÖt gonna ******* happen.

So fly one or learn how to counter them, I donGÇÖt care what you do, just ******* deal with it. Quit your bitching about them, because they are not the God Like, harbingers of Doom you homos are making them out to be. There are dozens of ways to kill them our counter them and that doesnGÇÖt include forum whining.

The very fact that you trained the same skills, and I trained those skills and anyone in the game can train those skills is the very thing that makes ECM balanced. Thanks for making my point.

Either use ECM yourself or shut the **** up about it. Anyone and everyone can use it. It is a smart thing to use because it is a force multiplier and smart people in EVE use ECM, they don't ***** about it on the forums. End of story.

ECCM is basically useless outside of battleships. Most people should know that.

On a solo/very small gang level it is, when a falcon can land multiple jammers on you.

Smabs I kinda agree with you on the idea that cynos and falcon alts make things less fun. But Liang's gay ass idea that Falcon's are not balanced is total bull ****. If only caldari players could use Falcons then yes they would be unbalanced but that is not the case. Anyone can use them. And if Liang wants to go out on a 5 man gang and cry and **** his panties if the other guys bring a Falcon then that is his own damn fault. Either use your own, or plan to counter it but don't kick and scream saying "that's not fair."

Since Liang just wants to complain and not think up counters I will give him one of the simplest falcon counters. A mother ******* stealth bomber. You can use it as a scout and as a falcon killer. The manti already has high sensor strength and with an ECCM they are ******* hard to jam. They are small and fast and can lock as soon as they decloak which means the falcon can't cloak back up. Then you can mwd over and point the falcon, target paint the falcon and start killing the falcon, then soon, no more falcon. Simple as that. But Liang doesn't want to have to "plan" anything and be prepared for any outcome. It sounds like he just wants easy mode.

So you're talking about a specific ship with 2 eccm and an implant set just to avoid getting jammed?

How many sub-bs ships can really get away with eccm?

Frigates, dessies, dictors, most cruisers - forget it.

Shield canes - You would be cutting your tank down to ~40k just to get the falcon down to a 40% jam chance on each cycle. It might be doable with an armor tank.

Drakes - Yeah, you could do it, but you would be sacrificing a web or a significant amount of tank. Still, it's kind of viable. Solo you would still get permajammed.

Myrmidon can get there with an implant set and an armor tank. I think Prometheus was flying something like that but he was still getting jammed half of the time, even sometimes by ecm drones.

I still think the best way to deal with falcons is high damage and good range, ecm of your own or a sniper ship to clear it off the field.

Was that an armor cane with multiple eccm? Do you think that fit is practical with the way eve usually works?

Also the 2 blackbirds were fit with t1 multispecs.

ECM is fine when numbers go to 5+. I don't think I ever said otherwise. I even suggested how people might counter it with a very small gang (i.e. eccm probably isn't optimal).