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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:34:00 -
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Yesterday I popped two command ships. It was a good fight. After the battle, I looted and docked to get a new ship to salvage in. I come back, and begin salvaging, only to be beaten by a 4 month old character in a noob corp. I am fine if someone wants to take my hard work, I take others.
But, what I am confused about, is the risk v reward aspect. He is in a noob corp, so I am unable to dec him. Why are they able to make a bunch off of salvage while having NO risk? I think that noob corps should be nerfed!! (omg rofl stupid nerf thread) Not to make them unlivable, but something like they cannot salvage BC and up wrecks, or t2 wrecks. This way, if you want to make millions, you need at least some risk to it.
Also, I have seen dozens of lvl 4 mission runners in Navy Issue Ravens. At least half are in noob corps. These players are flying ships that in no way will have trouble in a lvl 4 mission. So there is no risk there. And since they are in a noob corp, they are completely immune to anything but a suicide gank. I propose we restrict noob corps to lvl 1, 2, and 3 missions. You can still make decent isk running a lvl 3 mission, so any legitimate noob characters shouldn't be affected.
Discuss what you think.
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Qaed
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:52:00 -
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You're a pirate; just kill him next time.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:56:00 -
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I was in high sec in the only ship I had that had a salvager fitted... a covops.
He was in a thrasher. Why should the only risk he has be a suicide gank?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Qaed
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:00:00 -
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Sounds like your problem isn't noob corps then, but high-sec and the lack of salvage aggro.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
I was in high sec in the only ship I had that had a salvager fitted... a covops.
He was in a thrasher. Why should the only risk he has be a suicide gank?
Fit a salvage tackle on you ship...
Wrecks are trash and belong to everyone
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Speed Devil
Caldari
Mean Machines
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:03:00 -
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it should be possible to dec anyone over a month old
id suggest a wardec of 10m a week for a guy in a npc corp. nobody should be invulnerable
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Qaed
Sounds like your problem isn't noob corps then, but high-sec and the lack of salvage aggro.
that does sounds like his problem, however, i agree that all NPC corps should be at a disadvantage. there should be a large tax on them, thus encouraging people to branch out, make friends and join a real corp. there should be real incentive to participate in the massively mulriplayer part fo the game, rather than just the online part.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
I was in high sec in the only ship I had that had a salvager fitted... a covops.
He was in a thrasher. Why should the only risk he has be a suicide gank?
Fit a salvage tackle on you ship...
Wrecks are trash and belong to everyone
^^ QFT.
It may be irritating, but the salvage is not actually yours. It's just space junk, that anyone can get. If someone hoovers up the space junk before you, it's just hard luck.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:24:00 -
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Quote:
Discuss what you think.
I think that anti-NPC-corp threads filled with one-sided bloodlust from people who make extravagant (and completely false) claims about no risk, and no drawbacks pop up at regular intervals, and CCP quite correctly ignores them every time.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:28:00 -
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where's the risk in wardeccing a npc corp?
I mean, trying to use risk vs reward as an excuse to dec the n00b corps? yay hundreds of targets that cant/dont know how/wont/arent equipped to fight back, vs reward of, all the salvage you can handle
yup tres balanced there
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
I was in high sec in the only ship I had that had a salvager fitted... a covops.
He was in a thrasher. Why should the only risk he has be a suicide gank?
Fit a salvage tackle on you ship...
Wrecks are trash and belong to everyone
^^ QFT.
It may be irritating, but the salvage is not actually yours. It's just space junk, that anyone can get. If someone hoovers up the space junk before you, it's just hard luck.
So, what you are saying, is that I have to gimp my pvp ship to salvage? In doing so, I would have lost my ship to the command ships since they had gotten me just into structure as the last one popped.
A wreck is trash, but the fact that these noob corp characters (the one I saw was 4 months old) come in and salvage 2 command ship wrecks (likely netting about 10 mil isk) with NO RISK is a fair balance of risk v reward? If you say there is risk here, tell me. As far as I know they arent flagged, they arent deccable, and hence the only risk is a suicide gank.
No, I DO NOT want to dec a noob corp. I want people who want to and ARE making risk free isk to be deccable. In EvE no space is safe space... well, except noob corps.
And... uh.. what about the mission runners.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:19:00 -
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the risk of you not having a salvager on your ship is someone else getting the salvage, since it is SALVAGE and therefore belongs to the first person to SALVAGE it, it is not an agressible offense, the risk they take is the same risk any miner takes
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
the risk of you not having a salvager on your ship is someone else getting the salvage, since it is SALVAGE and therefore belongs to the first person to SALVAGE it, it is not an agressible offense, the risk they take is the same risk any miner takes
Every word I read, that you type, makes me feel like my IQ is dropping 1 point.
Their risk? What is it? They dont get salvage? That they DIDNT WORK FOR?
While I, who actually to the time and effort to kill said ships, gets screwed over?
It is nothing like miners, who actually took time to work for their ore.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:28:00 -
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Lets see, what is it that us Carebears are told every time we whine about something.....
Oh yeah. Fly with a friend. Have HIM salvage.
Seriously though, a wreck is anyone's. First come, first serve. If you leave it laying in space someone will claim it first.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
I was in high sec in the only ship I had that had a salvager fitted... a covops.
He was in a thrasher. Why should the only risk he has be a suicide gank?
Fit a salvage tackle on you ship...
Wrecks are trash and belong to everyone
^^ QFT.
It may be irritating, but the salvage is not actually yours. It's just space junk, that anyone can get. If someone hoovers up the space junk before you, it's just hard luck.
if thats true then the loot inside the space junk is just more space junk and should belong to everyone as well
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:35:00 -
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We've been told before that this game should not resemble Hello Kitty Online. As things stand, this is exactly what life in an NPC corp resembles.
Fix it. Please.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Lets see, what is it that us Carebears are told every time we whine about something.....
Oh yeah. Fly with a friend. Have HIM salvage.
Seriously though, a wreck is anyone's. First come, first serve. If you leave it laying in space someone will claim it first.
This isnt specifically about the salvage. It's about noob corps. We tell carebears that because THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Unlike with noob corps, who are immune.
In case reading comprehension isn't your thing, I said I was there salvaging it. They came after while I was getting the failed message. 1 salvager vs their 8, they have a better chance of getting it, even IF I WAS THERE FIRST.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:38:00 -
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hell i doubt most empire corps get war deced without doing something to someone else anyways...
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Jarna
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:41:00 -
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I swear, EVE is filled with some of the biggest idiots in the world.
Do you people even read the damn post?
His point is, you can be in a noob corp, and have many advantages and you are never forced to leave the noob corp, even though EVE is supposed to be focused on PvP and player interaction. His whole point isn't strictly limited to Salvaging, that is just an example he has because he experienced it. You people are too single-minded.
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Cowboy Nuggets
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cowboy Nuggets on 18/06/2007 23:45:55
Originally by: Bryg Philomena
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So, what you are saying, is that I have to gimp my pvp ship to salvage? In doing so, I would have lost my ship to the command ships since they had gotten me just into structure as the last one popped.
Um, risk vs reward, wasn't that YOUR point from the beginning?
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Mari Onette
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
what I am confused about, is the risk v reward aspect. He is in a noob corp, so I am unable to dec him.
Are you seriously saying that you want your corp to spend 50 million isk a week to dec a single, 4 month old character, because he stole your salvage?
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Candyman Dyer
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
I swear, EVE is filled with some of the biggest idiots in the world.
Do you people even read the damn post?
His point is, you can be in a noob corp, and have many advantages and you are never forced to leave the noob corp, even though EVE is supposed to be focused on PvP and player interaction. His whole point isn't strictly limited to Salvaging, that is just an example he has because he experienced it. You people are too single-minded.
Lol single minded eh?
He is mad that someone salvaged something before he did. PERIOD. It has 0 to do with him being in a NPC corp, as anyone could salvaged before him without any consequences, NPC corp or not.
So what is he asking for? He says he doesn't want to war dec a npc corp.......so what is he asking for? If his problem is with NPC corps, why the HELL did he bring up salvaging? If he feels that people should only be allowed to be in the NPC corp for a certain period, fine. If he feels that the tax in the NPC corp should be higher to encourage people to leave, fine. Neither of those have anything to do with salvaging.
What he wants is one person removed from the NPC corp so he can get revenge, thats all there is to it. It is nothing so noble as 'the betterment of the Eve community' and that, as far as I am concerned, is the only reason to change the game.
You are the one that seems to fail at comprehension.
PS: If you think that the ability to war dec noob corps is a good thing you are an idiot.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:28:00 -
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There are plenty of zero risk but some reward situations in EVE. Like mining, mission running, or running trade goods. There's just no way to get around that. You just don't like that the fact that this particular zero risk endeavor directly affected you and took away stuff you felt was rightfully yours.
It was you who took the risk. If you don't have a salvager you run the risk of losing your wrecks to someone else. If you do have a salvager you run the risk of being destroyed because you are lacking one offensive mod. Even if you had been carrying a salvager someone could have ganked your wrecks right from under you before you were able to salvage them.
EVE is not fair, that's the reality. If it was equally unfair to everyone, well....then it would be fair now wouldn't it?
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:31:00 -
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they should make it that you cant train anymore sp when you get to say 3 mil sp
even if someone gets kicked from a corp they must make there own or join an other corp
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:42:00 -
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how about personal wardecs?
1vs1, sounds like... fun?
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:12:00 -
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Leave empire maybe?
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Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:18:00 -
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I am going to use the same line everyone else does about escorting in high sec and jet cans and all those other things pepole like ragging carebears about.
So when the shoe is one the other foot.
Bring someone else along to salvage next time.
Only a total NOOB would leave a can in space or even a wreck unattended.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
the risk of you not having a salvager on your ship is someone else getting the salvage, since it is SALVAGE and therefore belongs to the first person to SALVAGE it, it is not an agressible offense, the risk they take is the same risk any miner takes
Every word I read, that you type, makes me feel like my IQ is dropping 1 point.
thats my Minmatar Brain Drain II working, you need to train up forum froll V to use it, beauty of it is, like salvaging someone elses wreck, its not an agressible action, and it has 0 risk VS 100% reward because it leaves the target incoherent and unable to respond
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:22:00 -
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they should make it that you cant train anymore sp when you get to say 3 mil sp
even if someone gets kicked from a corp they must make there own or join an other corp
Actually this is quite a sensible idea in some respects.
Rather than limiting trial accounts and what they can train, limit what skills can be trained from within NPC corps. It's a paltry 1,000,000 isk to start your own corp, and if you can't earn that kind of money then you may as well give up now.
This would severely restrict ISK farming, and would allow the community to police the miscreants themselves through the war declaration system, whilst providing as long as is necessary for those who take a little longer than most to get up to speed with the game.
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Caldari
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:44:00 -
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Personally I'd say it would be best to just make NPC corps war-decable, with the sole disadvantage that NPC vessels of the faction the corp belongs to would attack you, and of course you'd end up with tonnes of red stars in local.
Just leave the real "noob-corps" undecable, like SWA, and make the game so after a few months it pushes you into a "proper" NPC corp.
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