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Drofier Ilmatti Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:23:00 - [31] Well... I assume you are a pvper, so I would suggest training up for recons if you have not. This will give you the option to cloak whenever. This is as designed instead of being nurfed if you use the cloaking variety. Other option would be to fly fast ships (like 6k/s plus, like cepters and vagas). Simply point in a direction and fly. You should be safe if warp to a safe first (by the time they scan you and have their cepter warp there and start chasing you... you are already 100km away. It will take a long time to close the gap). Just my initial thoughts.
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 19:26:59 You know what would be amazing? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerf thread! You know what would be more amazing than starting a anti-cloak nerfing thread? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerfing thread, stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player base wishes! What could possibly be more amazing than starting another anti-cloak nerfing thread stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player base wishes? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerfing thread, stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player bases wishes, and actually flew a covert-ops before.
Keira Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:33:00 - [33] Originally by: MissileRus isnt this what wifes are for? Nobody has enough ISK or LP to afford one of those.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Robert Denby Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic. Why not just warp to safe spot and log out? ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:14:00 - [35] /signed. As a parent of not one but TWO special-needs children, I am FREQUENTLY called away from gaming to tend to a tantrum or other problem that my wife can't handle alone. (Think of the worst behaved kid you can imagine, multiply that by a thousand, and you are at about 1% of the potential behavior issues of special needs kids.) It's basically eliminated my ability to PVP at all. I'm at the point where if I want to participate in a Corp battle I have to have my wife take the kids to Grandma's house so she won't suddenly call me away from the PC for a kid issue. I don't have cloak yet, but if it's going to be nerfed that bad, what's the point in training for it? and if people with life issues such as Parents (a huge and growing segment of the gaming community that has larger financial reserves than the pimply faced teenager segment) can't be accommodated, what point is there in us paying a subscription for a game we can't play? Oh, and before I get parenting advice from anyone here, If you are not currently or haven't ever been a parent of two special needs kids (or kids of any kind, for that matter) then you really aren't qualified to comment, so please bugger off. So Three important points here: 1) Parents need the ability within the game structure to be able to step away without fear of losing everything they worked for in-game. 2) Parents are a large and growing segment of the overall gaming community. 3) Parent gamers generally have more money to spend on games than teenagers, so losing the Parents group is more costly to CCP's bottom line than losing the whiny teenagers group. So, if CCP refuses to allow this via use of the cloak, may I suggest an "/AFK" command? Similar to old logoffski, it warps you to a safespot and immediately removes your ship from space. On the client end the UI goes to black (or a CCP logoed background) with a single "return" button. The return button causes your ship to reappear in space and warp back to it's previous position. If in a station you just get the "AFK" screen, and in both cases your char still shows in local chat, but with an AFK icon over the char picture. There. Now the anti-cloakers are happy, and the Parents can still walk away if they need to. Just type /AFK into the chat box and leave.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:19:00 - [36] If there was a parent convention, where all the parents(in their silly kid wanting needs or "oops" situations) could have a cup of coffe/tea and come up with a a good and non-exploitable AFK system...i would support it. As it stands now, it's quite like personal debt and the federal response to it concerning social aid: "It's a personal problem, not a general public one." BAsicly, you got the kids, now deal with it You knew you would have to change your game habbits. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:22:00 - [37] i always uncloak before having my diapers changed ------
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:22:00 - [38] All I know is that if you were a REAL parent you would think that getting screwed sounds pretty good... Dang it has been toooooooooooooooo long JP http://www.evereserve.com
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:28:00 - [39] Originally by: JP Moregain All I know is that if you were a REAL parent you would think that getting screwed sounds pretty good... JP Lol, my sexlife isn't THAT bad!
Galmar Grief	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:31:00 - [40] Also, I want an option to fire special missiles that kill everyone in the grid, that way if my kid wakes up crying I'll be out of harms way.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:38:00 - [41] Parent here, I hope you guys dont take this the wrong way, but that's just sort of the way it is with everything in your life. EVE is no different. The rules dont change because you are a parent. This is the drawback for devoting our lives to someone we love more than anything. Adjust your gametime and playstyle around your life just like everything else.
Alz Shado Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:40:00 - [42] I'm all for a once-an-hour, 5 minute "Time out" button to do ... well, whatever you need to. Chase down a toddler, go microwave popcorn, answer the door, etc. Just make the ship invincible and stationary in space until the pilot returns or the timer is up. Then, if you've been unlucky enough to get scanned down, you'll have to deal with the problem when you return. But, at least you'll have a chance to fight back.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Alz Shado I'm all for a once-an-hour, 5 minute "Time out" button to do ... well, whatever you need to. Chase down a toddler, go microwave popcorn, answer the door, etc. Just make the ship invincible and stationary in space until the pilot returns or the timer is up. Then, if you've been unlucky enough to get scanned down, you'll have to deal with the problem when you return. But, at least you'll have a chance to fight back. Oh man, if I had that button, I would have pressed it every time I saw my structure at 50%
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:45:00 - [44] What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. I think Social services can shove their opinions, codes, and their whole institution where the sun dont shine. Taking queues from the state is horrifically worse than playing eve in a cloaked ship.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. I think Social services can shove their opinions, codes, and their whole institution where the sun dont shine. Taking queues from the state is horrifically worse than playing eve in a cloaked ship.
Pedo Fortis	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:00:00 - [47] As a parent of 3 Children one being 3 years old, /Signed from me. One of the best features of Eve for me is that I can step away from the keyboard without bad things happening which I need to do frequently. I have been playing for a year and never read about nurfing cloaks until a few months ago!! whats the sudden change? What am I missing, if clocking was not an issue 6-12 months ago why now? Pedo Fortis
Pedo Fortis	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:00:00 - [48] As a parent of 3 Children one being 3 years old, /Signed from me. One of the best features of Eve for me is that I can step away from the keyboard without bad things happening which I need to do frequently. I have been playing for a year and never read about nurfing cloaks until a few months ago!! whats the sudden change? What am I missing, if clocking was not an issue 6-12 months ago why now? Pedo Fortis
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:02:00 - [50] Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. 1). I don't support this 'movement' because it would CLEARLY be abused. 2. Your social services comment deserves nomiation for the 'troll of the year' award. Seriously... http://www.evereserve.com
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:19:00 - [52] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 21:22:01 Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 21:20:29 Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. You know, I honestly don't care WHAT you do with your spare time. It's pretty easy to see who's a parent in this thread, and who's not. Originally by: JP Moregain 1). I don't support this 'movement' because it would CLEARLY be abused. 2. Your social services comment deserves nomiation for the 'troll of the year' award. Seriously... Your indifference only details your character.
Balnoor	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:57:00 - [53] Its getting a little boring reading about how cloaking should be nerfed because some players just cant stand the fact that there is a potential target out there that cant be attacked because its cloaked. So what! Its in the game, live with it and move on. This is the sort of thing I would expect to find on the WoW forums to be honest.
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:01:00 - [54] Edited by: JP Moregain on 20/06/2007 22:00:38 Originally by: Christari Zuborov Your indifference only details your character. Nice! ad hominem arguments for the win... Since I disagree with your diatribe that 'people with children can never do anything but stand over them while they sleep and wait for the nappies to get wet' logic I too must be an ebil child abusing-type person. Quick, burn me, I must be a witch! Bah, you executed a near perfect troll + derail now. 10/10! http://www.evereserve.com
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:03:00 - [55] Don't you have a wife? Why can't she take care of the stinkin' kid?
Pheonix Kanan	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Balnoor Its getting a little boring reading about how cloaking should be nerfed because some players just cant stand the fact that there is a potential target out there that cant be attacked because its cloaked. So what! Its in the game, live with it and move on. This is the sort of thing I would expect to find on the WoW forums to be honest. /signed
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Don't you have a wife? Why can't she take care of the stinkin' kid? Because shes on the other computer playing Second Life.. Stupid womens lib.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:22:00 - [58] Edited by: Raketefrau on 20/06/2007 22:32:28 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You obviously don't have kids. My son goes to bed at 7, and gets up around 6:30 or 7am. Do people where you live sit in the nursery and stare at their children while they sleep? Around here, we have monitors that we carry with us, because often our kids will wake up during the night scared, or crying, or hungry, and we have to go take care of them. So I sign on to Eve at around 9 and play until midnight. I've been a Senior in a couple of 0.0 Alliances, and I get involved in fleet warfare. It's all fine, as long as I can get up and run when I need to. To those of you saying that we're asking CCP to change the rules or "asking for special game mechanics" to suit our lives, you're mistaken. We're asking CCP not to change the rules. And again, I'm not saying that everything should revolve around us parents, I'm just pointing this out to CCP for consideration among the millions of arguments for and against cloaking. That's why I'm not addressing any of the other arguments for or against either. There are hundreds of factors that they're still debating in the offices, and I wanted to make sure that this factor was part of the debate. End of story.
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Mdram Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. safespot against a probe? oh how do i make that! 45 AU off the plane of the system. Dal Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Mdram Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. safespot against a probe? oh how do i make that! 45 AU off the plane of the system. Dal There are no safespots anymore. Observators take care of that, at 1000 AU.

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