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Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.06.21 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Annika MonSulu on 21/06/2007 14:57:56
Originally by: Washell Olivaw So CCP should provide cloak as a safe way to go AFK for when things pop up.
Lets replace ccp with restaurant and cloak with babysitter.
A restaurant should provide a babysitter so parents can come dining.
Sounds silly that way, right?
and yet health clubs do just that for members that use their services. Guess it's not so silly to provide such a service for paying members.
Quote: As for parents having more financial means, that's bs. For the last 2 decades teens and twenthies have been listed as an important group to pry money from. They usually have a decent income and few to none fixed expenditures.
Fresh parents have to deal with rent/mortgage, utility bills, insurance, car + maintenance, kids and their associated costs, putting aside money for the kids to go to school. Except a lucky few most parents are strapped for cash not flowing with it.
According to the ESA
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TOP 10 INDUSTRY FACTS
1. US computer and video game software sales grew six percent in 2006 to $7.4 billion ū almost tripling industry software sales since 1996.
2. Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games. 3. The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years. 4. The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 40 years old. In 2006, 93 percent of computer game buyers and 83 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.
5. Eighty-five percent of all games sold in 2005 were rated "E" for Everyone, "T" for Teen, or "E10+" for Everyone 10+. For more information on ratings, please see www.esrb.org.
6. Eighty-seven percent of game players under the age of 18 report that they get their parentsĘ permission when renting or buying games, and 89 percent say their parents are present when they buy games.
7. Thirty-five percent of American parents say they play computer and video games. Further, 80 percent of gamer parents say they play video games with their kids. Sixty-six percent feel that playing games has brought their families closer together.
8. Thirty-eight percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (30%) than boys age 17 or younger (23%).
9. In 2005, 25 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.
10. Forty-four percent of game players say they play games online one or more hours per week. In addition, 32 percent of heads of households play games on a wireless device, such as a cell phone or PDA, up from 20 percent in 2002.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php
Now you see why adults....and parents specifically, tend to be catered to by the software companies. The money is in fact in the hands of the parents. |

Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:03:00 -
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If you move fast enough to be 2km away from the point you were at the moment you were scanned when the scanner warps in, they don't decloak you, no? ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |

Annika MonSulu
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus If you move fast enough to be 2km away from the point you were at the moment you were scanned when the scanner warps in, they don't decloak you, no?
Jump to the point...don't see anyone. Launch new probe. It returns results...turn and fly at it fast. If you are faster than the cloaked ship...as you most likely are...you will outrun them, and turn the cloak off. Only an ATK cloaked pilot would be able to give enough zig and zag to through the technique off. |

Rafein
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:54:00 -
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E. when your not playing, log off.
I mean, it's not hard when you here kids screaming to hit CTRl-Q
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Dant Kramble
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:35:00 -
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Lol, k, as many features are begged for and/or demanded by various group, I'm shocked this one is so troll-prone.
Invulnerable cloaked ships on your home turf is a pain - yes.
It would probably be good if there was a way to find enemy scouts with sufficent effort and skill (and perhaps cost)- yes
Some people use the current cloak system to accomodate family / RL needs
Other folks use it (abuse it) as tactics / annoyance, etc.
All the OP is interested in is a way to preserve the usefulness of cloak for non-tactical, non-strategic motives if it is the intent of the dev's to nerf the tactical / strategic action.
As I said before, an ability to "power-down" your ship so it has no ability to gather intel but is also pretty un-findable seems reasonable. Make powering-down take a couple minutes if you want.
How about after 30 minutes, a powered-down ship starts becoming probable to some extent. Gotta be some fancy physics idea that can be made up to explain that.
If I'm way off-track, then you come up with one. Doesn't seem impossible to make one aspect of the game that is really RL-friendly now less abusable. Not really asking to unbalance anything, just a way to go afk without cheating, but also without logging.
Its a small request. As far as I care, make all the limitations needed to keep it from being abused.
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Sir Howard
Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:50:00 -
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Real Life > Eve Online
Spending Time with your Kids > Eve Online
"This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a ******** box"
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Denby Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be:
a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing
Kinda sucks, tbh.
I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic.
I'm a parent and about to become a parent again, I have no problem with this needed nerf.
When you gotta go you log, if you are being probed at that moment you lose your ship then, its not the games fault you have kids. I've ratted in 0.0 for quite a while now often with no safe area nearby and I can't say I've been killed offline once and I never use a cloak.
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K'reemy G'udness
Gallente Delicious
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:57:00 -
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I sympathize with the OP, but I only play when my 16 month old is asleep or otherwise occupied. Hell, I've also got a parrot who is like a 2 year old that lives 60 years and has a five-in-one tool for a face, so I've got to stay on my toes.
And you trolls with no kids, don't have any or you won't get to play eve like it's your job anymore. Also, your kids will probably be little jerkass solipsists just like you, and nobody needs more of those ffs.
In the final analysis, you've got to be ready to ctrl-q if you have to run upstairs to shove a binky in or your parrot is patiently chewing a wad of $20 bills into confetti. I find that I can usually start to SS, go settle the baby and be back downstairs before I'm out of warp.
RL > any stupid old MMO. Sincerely, K'reemy ---
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Sunny Mooninite
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite ...I've ratted in 0.0 for quite a while now often with no safe area nearby and I can't say I've been killed offline once and I never use a cloak.
Sounds great, where do you rat?
--- Yeah, I trolled your thread, and it didn't cost me a dime. What ya gonna do? |

Mogrin
Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:01:00 -
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Ahem, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion |

Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Annika MonSulu
http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php
Now you see why adults....and parents specifically, tend to be catered to by the software companies. The money is in fact in the hands of the parents.
BAM!
That RIGHT THERE is why CCP needs to give us an /AFK option. Parents NEED to have the ability to get up and walk away if there is a family emergency! If the attitude of CCP is like those of the obviously childless here; "If you have kids you shouldn't be playing games" Then CCP stands to lose a MASSIVE portion of it's playerbase. And, of course, all the money that goes with them. Anyone here think all that cash won't make CCP think twice about nerfing the cloak? If you do you are on drugs.
Parents have the money and money talks. Parents are saying we need the ability to safely walk away in an emergency. Otherwise what you are looking at is a metagamed NERF on Parents. What do I mean? Allow me to explain:
We will all agree that Parenting is more important than gaming. That goes without saying, but I state it anyway just to shut up the trolls. We can also all agree that everyone needs some downtime away from the responsibilities of life. For Parents that includes downtime away from the kids. If we are good parents, it has to happen after the kids are in bed, or otherwise occupied with some activity we can't partake in. The problem that Parents have it that their downtime is MUCH more frequently interrupted than that of the childless. Kids have tantrums, wake up from nightmares, needs drinks of water, need diapers changed, fall and skin their knees.. it goes on and on and on. So our "downtime" is frequently broken up due to much more important things intruding.
What does this mean for gameplay? Well, those that don't have familial responsibilities have long periods of uninterrupted downtime to game as much as they like. The Childless can stay more focused, can be more dedicated, and can be much more dogged about hunting someone down, etc. During Fleet battles they won't suddenly have to get up and tend to a screaming child. When crossing unsafe space they don't have to go AFK to fill a sippy cup. Overall they already have an advantage due to simply having more time. Over long periods of time this translates into less missed opportunities, more effective and enjoyable play, and more powerful and wealthy characters. The whole thing snowballs for them, and the Childless end up in the lead in almost every facet of gameplay. Parents get the short end of the stick.
The cloak adds a bit of balance to this situation. It allows a Parent to simply stop, cloak, and walk away from the game, without adding an unfair (IE: Not in the game mechanics) risk to their play that the Childless don't have to worry about. As many here have said, this game is about risk vs reward. The problem is that Parents have ADDITIONAL RISK built into their LIVES that the Childless don't have, and this translates over into game play. The cloak helps even the playing field. Nerfing it without adding some kind of "/AFK" function to the game is basically nerfing the majority of the EVE playerbase.
Sorry, but that doesn't fly.
Leave cloaks alone or give us an AFK function. The Parental Playerbase (and our money) DEMAND it.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:34:00 -
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Being a parent, I demand that if I say, happen to jump into a bubble camp and my little one stubs his tow, I should be able to escape without penalty 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:49:00 -
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afk timer added (for all gameplay) cloaks should remain hidden as they are meant to be - it should simply take time to become cloaked and local should be changed
____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:03:00 -
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The practical effect is less people in lowsec and 0.0. Own goal, CCP.
//Maya |

nickky01
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.22 04:58:00 -
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i'm a stay at home dad and i've got a little 2 year old who thinks he's a monkey
just plan your schedule around his times, and your fine.
i've gone on fleet ops when i was supposed to be watching him, oddly enough i knew about them ahead of time and had his uncle (who also plays eve) to watch him...granted he was still in my apartment, just under someone else's eyes for a few hours (and i had to get up a few times to change ****ie diapers...good think uncle-scaredofgettinghishandsdirty knows how to align/f1-f8)
why would you NPC or undock or whatever when your supposed to be watching them anyways...
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