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Robert Denby	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic.
Sam Browne Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:27:00 - [2] Got to agree with this POV. Could live with either a consumable fuel source or a 10/15/30 minute hit the re-cloak button requirement though. May you live slightly longer than those you fight.
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:32:00 - [3] Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. ---------------
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:37:00 - [4] d) don't play when it's your turn. ----- English is a complex language. Use it as best you can.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Adonis 4174 d) don't play when it's your turn. Some don't have the TURN based option... Some play Real time Life... ----------- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone...
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Some don't have the TURN based option... Some play Real time Life... Then don't put yourself in situations where you'll be ganked if called away unless you know you have a set time to play. It's what the rest of us do. ---------------
MissileRus	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:41:00 - [7] isnt this what wifes are for? --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Robert Denby Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic. /signed
Ker Ching	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:43:00 - [9] Originally by: MissileRus isnt this what wifes are for? I think you've just become public enemy #1.
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:45:00 - [10] signed ~~~~~~ mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!" ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge
Cheunger BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur Some don't have the TURN based option... Some play Real time Life... Then don't put yourself in situations where you'll be ganked if called away unless you know you have a set time to play. It's what the rest of us do. Are you stupid? The original post was about unexpected things occurring. What you're saying is for him to chose option c), which I'm sure is not the ideal option. How much do you whine about cloaking nub? "OMG, HE'S CLOAKED!! WAHHH!! HE'S BEING SMART!! NOT FAIR!!" The whiners just don't have a clue.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:50:00 - [12] After hours of brainstorming i think i may have found a solution for you. Log out then log back in when you are done.
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:53:00 - [13] No station in system? What about aggro countdowns?
Cheunger BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:55:00 - [14] Edited by: Cheunger on 20/06/2007 17:54:10 Originally by: Erikel After hours of brainstorming i think i may have found a solution for you. Log out then log back in when you are done. Yeah, and get probed down by those who take advantage of the log off delay.
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 17:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Erikel After hours of brainstorming i think i may have found a solution for you. Log out then log back in when you are done. The only solution I found is tie up the kid... ----------- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:07:00 - [16] I'm sorry(well not really), but this is a real life issue that effects gaming, not the game. You have a limited gametime -in general- because of a wife/kids, it's not a reason to keep/change an item/issue in a game. It's equivelant of me saying "I've got diabetes, please make it easier for me to snack between missions." Only difference being that i didn't choose to be diabetic, you chose to get new priorities in your life. EVE is still a game for gamers, and it's known as a ruthless world, so daddies and mommies...no mercy So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? Ever heard of Murrphy's Law? Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:10:00 - [18] Well emergencies happen to everyone, not just parents. There are numerous other situations where people have to live with an aggro countdown like people in the middle of a fleet battle for example. Or what about the poor alcoholics like me that need to go get beers and go to the bathroom often? You can even get disconnected, that's certainly not fair. Should we just have a button that makes us immune to everything just in case of emergencies?
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Erikel Should we just have a button that makes us immune to everything just in case of emergencies? ----------- It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone...
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Erikel Should we just have a button that makes us immune to everything just in case of emergencies? that would be nice
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:17:00 - [21] Yes, and what about macro-ratters who have little macro-babies to take care of. What about them, huh? Please for the love of god, will no one think of the wee macro-bairns? * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Dant Kramble	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:37:00 - [22] /signed Been laughed at quite a few times when people kill me and the mail mentions a cloak on pretty much everything. I'd favor a different idea. I don't like the untouchable red square in local any more than the next guy, but if a game mechanism can be changed to help out us parents w/o causing trouble to everybody else, then why not? Here's my pitch - cloaks on autorepeat shut down overview/local/ui. Make the screen go black with a textbox w/ a button to wake up. That way, locals know a hidden hostile is either right there smashing buttons or blind. Small comfort I guess, but provides limits. Provide a buffer for covert ops & recons. Yeah, people could log off, but that has its own problems. If I'm cloaked and afk, I'm most likely changing diapers. You would have to be a pretty nasty metagamer to want me podded while I am elbows-deep in infant excrement.
Mdram Caldari Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. safespot against a probe? oh how do i make that!
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:38:00 - [24] Edited by: prathe on 20/06/2007 18:37:39 Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. LMAO
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:41:00 - [25] I would actually like to sign -vs- this detecting cloak'd ships should be posible, but only if they are in your grid, and I think it should take work by a few players (like 3 players doing something (shrug)).. Safespot cloaking is required, I used to do it a LOT when I would travel around 0.0.. it was either that or log out, and I guess if cloakies become 100% findable from anywhere, then indeed it'll just be time to log out ..
Max Grief Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:46:00 - [26] You just need to bust out yourTech 2 Child Scrambler Or if you are a bit slow on the scrambler A Mobile Child Disrupter May be in order..... PS. I'm Joking.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:50:00 - [27] Originally by: milinkoee Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? Ever heard of Murrphy's Law? Britney Murphy's Law: No matter how cute she gets, she still has no boobies...
Melor Rend	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:51:00 - [28] i think there should be a restriction to cloaking: in systems with Sov and maybe a POS-module (such as a "signal tracking array") you should be auto-probed by hostile POSes after say 15 minutes in the same grid. then all players that own the POS will get a warning "Cloaked hostile detected" or something and could warp to him. In uncliamed space or if there is no installed POS-module then you can't be probed while cloaked but have to press a button every 10-20 minutes so you can't be AFK for to long.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.20 18:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Cheunger How much do you whine about cloaking nub? "OMG, HE'S CLOAKED!! WAHHH!! HE'S BEING SMART!! NOT FAIR!!" The whiners just don't have a clue. Ok, I'm not about the "Queens Rules of Fair Combat" in pvp necessarily, but this coming from a BE member just makes me lmao. You guys literally haven't done anything that I've seen worthy of being combat. I think one mans "Smart" is another mans "Lame". CCP pretty much agrees with this. Listen to the last Live Dev Blog. You guys might have to fight at your gate camps this time! WOW. Cloaks are fine in general until the Cloaked ship becomes a solo-pwn-mobile. A cloak on a non-cloak specific ship should nerf all potential for damage and tanking. On a recon/stealth ship cloaks should be very effective, but "solo-cloak-pwn-mobiles" should be limited however. Cloak-specific ships should have to work with other ships to be effective. Also should be ship-sized specific cloaks. Small, med, large, x-large. I find it lame you can fit a normal sized cloak on a MOthership ffs. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Sheriff Jones I'm sorry(well not really), but this is a real life issue that effects gaming, not the game. You have a limited gametime -in general- because of a wife/kids, it's not a reason to keep/change an item/issue in a game. It's equivelant of me saying "I've got diabetes, please make it easier for me to snack between missions." Only difference being that i didn't choose to be diabetic, you chose to get new priorities in your life. EVE is still a game for gamers, and it's known as a ruthless world, so daddies and mommies...no mercy How dare you make a logical and valid point in a forum thread! Also /signed Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Drofier Ilmatti Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:23:00 - [31] Well... I assume you are a pvper, so I would suggest training up for recons if you have not. This will give you the option to cloak whenever. This is as designed instead of being nurfed if you use the cloaking variety. Other option would be to fly fast ships (like 6k/s plus, like cepters and vagas). Simply point in a direction and fly. You should be safe if warp to a safe first (by the time they scan you and have their cepter warp there and start chasing you... you are already 100km away. It will take a long time to close the gap). Just my initial thoughts.
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 19:26:59 You know what would be amazing? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerf thread! You know what would be more amazing than starting a anti-cloak nerfing thread? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerfing thread, stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player base wishes! What could possibly be more amazing than starting another anti-cloak nerfing thread stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player base wishes? Someone starting an anti-cloak nerfing thread, stating how their version of cloaking is better than what the majority of the player bases wishes, and actually flew a covert-ops before.
Keira Fordring Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:33:00 - [33] Originally by: MissileRus isnt this what wifes are for? Nobody has enough ISK or LP to afford one of those.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 19:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Robert Denby Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic. Why not just warp to safe spot and log out? ------------------ "If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:14:00 - [35] /signed. As a parent of not one but TWO special-needs children, I am FREQUENTLY called away from gaming to tend to a tantrum or other problem that my wife can't handle alone. (Think of the worst behaved kid you can imagine, multiply that by a thousand, and you are at about 1% of the potential behavior issues of special needs kids.) It's basically eliminated my ability to PVP at all. I'm at the point where if I want to participate in a Corp battle I have to have my wife take the kids to Grandma's house so she won't suddenly call me away from the PC for a kid issue. I don't have cloak yet, but if it's going to be nerfed that bad, what's the point in training for it? and if people with life issues such as Parents (a huge and growing segment of the gaming community that has larger financial reserves than the pimply faced teenager segment) can't be accommodated, what point is there in us paying a subscription for a game we can't play? Oh, and before I get parenting advice from anyone here, If you are not currently or haven't ever been a parent of two special needs kids (or kids of any kind, for that matter) then you really aren't qualified to comment, so please bugger off. So Three important points here: 1) Parents need the ability within the game structure to be able to step away without fear of losing everything they worked for in-game. 2) Parents are a large and growing segment of the overall gaming community. 3) Parent gamers generally have more money to spend on games than teenagers, so losing the Parents group is more costly to CCP's bottom line than losing the whiny teenagers group. So, if CCP refuses to allow this via use of the cloak, may I suggest an "/AFK" command? Similar to old logoffski, it warps you to a safespot and immediately removes your ship from space. On the client end the UI goes to black (or a CCP logoed background) with a single "return" button. The return button causes your ship to reappear in space and warp back to it's previous position. If in a station you just get the "AFK" screen, and in both cases your char still shows in local chat, but with an AFK icon over the char picture. There. Now the anti-cloakers are happy, and the Parents can still walk away if they need to. Just type /AFK into the chat box and leave.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:19:00 - [36] If there was a parent convention, where all the parents(in their silly kid wanting needs or "oops" situations) could have a cup of coffe/tea and come up with a a good and non-exploitable AFK system...i would support it. As it stands now, it's quite like personal debt and the federal response to it concerning social aid: "It's a personal problem, not a general public one." BAsicly, you got the kids, now deal with it You knew you would have to change your game habbits. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:22:00 - [37] i always uncloak before having my diapers changed ------
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:22:00 - [38] All I know is that if you were a REAL parent you would think that getting screwed sounds pretty good... Dang it has been toooooooooooooooo long JP http://www.evereserve.com
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:28:00 - [39] Originally by: JP Moregain All I know is that if you were a REAL parent you would think that getting screwed sounds pretty good... JP Lol, my sexlife isn't THAT bad!
Galmar Grief	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:31:00 - [40] Also, I want an option to fire special missiles that kill everyone in the grid, that way if my kid wakes up crying I'll be out of harms way.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:38:00 - [41] Parent here, I hope you guys dont take this the wrong way, but that's just sort of the way it is with everything in your life. EVE is no different. The rules dont change because you are a parent. This is the drawback for devoting our lives to someone we love more than anything. Adjust your gametime and playstyle around your life just like everything else.
Alz Shado Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:40:00 - [42] I'm all for a once-an-hour, 5 minute "Time out" button to do ... well, whatever you need to. Chase down a toddler, go microwave popcorn, answer the door, etc. Just make the ship invincible and stationary in space until the pilot returns or the timer is up. Then, if you've been unlucky enough to get scanned down, you'll have to deal with the problem when you return. But, at least you'll have a chance to fight back.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:42:00 - [43] Originally by: Alz Shado I'm all for a once-an-hour, 5 minute "Time out" button to do ... well, whatever you need to. Chase down a toddler, go microwave popcorn, answer the door, etc. Just make the ship invincible and stationary in space until the pilot returns or the timer is up. Then, if you've been unlucky enough to get scanned down, you'll have to deal with the problem when you return. But, at least you'll have a chance to fight back. Oh man, if I had that button, I would have pressed it every time I saw my structure at 50%
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:45:00 - [44] What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. I think Social services can shove their opinions, codes, and their whole institution where the sun dont shine. Taking queues from the state is horrifically worse than playing eve in a cloaked ship.
Sharupak	Posted - 2007.06.20 20:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. I think Social services can shove their opinions, codes, and their whole institution where the sun dont shine. Taking queues from the state is horrifically worse than playing eve in a cloaked ship.
Pedo Fortis	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:00:00 - [47] As a parent of 3 Children one being 3 years old, /Signed from me. One of the best features of Eve for me is that I can step away from the keyboard without bad things happening which I need to do frequently. I have been playing for a year and never read about nurfing cloaks until a few months ago!! whats the sudden change? What am I missing, if clocking was not an issue 6-12 months ago why now? Pedo Fortis
Pedo Fortis	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:00:00 - [48] As a parent of 3 Children one being 3 years old, /Signed from me. One of the best features of Eve for me is that I can step away from the keyboard without bad things happening which I need to do frequently. I have been playing for a year and never read about nurfing cloaks until a few months ago!! whats the sudden change? What am I missing, if clocking was not an issue 6-12 months ago why now? Pedo Fortis
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:02:00 - [50] Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:11:00 - [51] Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. 1). I don't support this 'movement' because it would CLEARLY be abused. 2. Your social services comment deserves nomiation for the 'troll of the year' award. Seriously... http://www.evereserve.com
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:19:00 - [52] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 21:22:01 Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 20/06/2007 21:20:29 Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 20/06/2007 21:01:07 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You should not be able to do things like play games. Nobody with children should be permitted to have any sources of entertainment or free time whatsoever because you have children. Christari should know. He's a special needs child. You know, I honestly don't care WHAT you do with your spare time. It's pretty easy to see who's a parent in this thread, and who's not. Originally by: JP Moregain 1). I don't support this 'movement' because it would CLEARLY be abused. 2. Your social services comment deserves nomiation for the 'troll of the year' award. Seriously... Your indifference only details your character.
Balnoor	Posted - 2007.06.20 21:57:00 - [53] Its getting a little boring reading about how cloaking should be nerfed because some players just cant stand the fact that there is a potential target out there that cant be attacked because its cloaked. So what! Its in the game, live with it and move on. This is the sort of thing I would expect to find on the WoW forums to be honest.
JP Moregain Gallente EVE Reserve Bank	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:01:00 - [54] Edited by: JP Moregain on 20/06/2007 22:00:38 Originally by: Christari Zuborov Your indifference only details your character. Nice! ad hominem arguments for the win... Since I disagree with your diatribe that 'people with children can never do anything but stand over them while they sleep and wait for the nappies to get wet' logic I too must be an ebil child abusing-type person. Quick, burn me, I must be a witch! Bah, you executed a near perfect troll + derail now. 10/10! http://www.evereserve.com
Glumpumpkin House Elf Liberation Front	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:03:00 - [55] Don't you have a wife? Why can't she take care of the stinkin' kid?
Pheonix Kanan	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Balnoor Its getting a little boring reading about how cloaking should be nerfed because some players just cant stand the fact that there is a potential target out there that cant be attacked because its cloaked. So what! Its in the game, live with it and move on. This is the sort of thing I would expect to find on the WoW forums to be honest. /signed
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Glumpumpkin Don't you have a wife? Why can't she take care of the stinkin' kid? Because shes on the other computer playing Second Life.. Stupid womens lib.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:22:00 - [58] Edited by: Raketefrau on 20/06/2007 22:32:28 Originally by: Christari Zuborov What do you think social services would think? No offense, but if anyone's children are under their care, they shouldn't be playing a game. No sale here. I can't believe people would even suggest they need special game mechanics take care of their kids. Get the hell out of here and take care of your children! Look, I don't mean any offense, and I'm not judging you. Maybe it's different where you live, but where I live that's not even close to acceptable, or very adult. You obviously don't have kids. My son goes to bed at 7, and gets up around 6:30 or 7am. Do people where you live sit in the nursery and stare at their children while they sleep? Around here, we have monitors that we carry with us, because often our kids will wake up during the night scared, or crying, or hungry, and we have to go take care of them. So I sign on to Eve at around 9 and play until midnight. I've been a Senior in a couple of 0.0 Alliances, and I get involved in fleet warfare. It's all fine, as long as I can get up and run when I need to. To those of you saying that we're asking CCP to change the rules or "asking for special game mechanics" to suit our lives, you're mistaken. We're asking CCP not to change the rules. And again, I'm not saying that everything should revolve around us parents, I'm just pointing this out to CCP for consideration among the millions of arguments for and against cloaking. That's why I'm not addressing any of the other arguments for or against either. There are hundreds of factors that they're still debating in the offices, and I wanted to make sure that this factor was part of the debate. End of story.
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Mdram Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. safespot against a probe? oh how do i make that! 45 AU off the plane of the system. Dal Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Dal Thrax Originally by: Mdram Originally by: Nicho Void Is it really that bad? How often are you going to be in a system where people are actively scanning for you when you have to go AFK? And if the answer is "low sec/0.0", then I don't really feel like it's a problem. If you venture into 0.0, you better have a safespot. safespot against a probe? oh how do i make that! 45 AU off the plane of the system. Dal There are no safespots anymore. Observators take care of that, at 1000 AU.
Lord Dynastron Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:45:00 - [61] Originally by: JP Moregain Bah, you executed a near perfect troll + derail now. 10/10! ROFL! My coworker in the other office just yelled at me "what is so funny?"
Emmerlaine Gallente Crab and Krawdad Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.20 22:48:00 - [62] /signed Anybody who thinks you can put your kids on pause has no kids.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:00:00 - [63] The nerfing of the Privateer screwed over a lot of Parents and other people who have problems in real life which limit their game time. The pick up - join a gang - and get some action immediatly kept many in game who have now left. Not having to wait 2 hours for a fleet to form up - jump 30 systems then die due to lag was a great boon for those of us with real lives (not me btw :) ) Its a great shame to the OP. But CCP dosent give a hoot. SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
punkrocka	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Balnoor Its getting a little boring reading about how cloaking should be nerfed because some players just cant stand the fact that there is a potential target out there that cant be attacked because its cloaked. So what! Its in the game, live with it and move on. This is the sort of thing I would expect to find on the WoW forums to be honest. /signed
Illyria Ambri Caldari RennTech	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:05:00 - [65] So if I'm reading this correctly.. You want CCP to adjust the game that thousands play.. just to accomidate your desire to have children? If you take the risk as we all do that something will occur in RL that will require you to leave the computer for minutes to hours. But you want more cause you couldn't keep it in your pants and now have to deal with the kids while tyring to play eve.. and your suggestion is its better to change the game FOR you. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Annika MonSulu	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:24:00 - [66] Originally by: Illyria Ambri So if I'm reading this correctly.. You want CCP to adjust the game that thousands play.. just to accomidate your desire to have children? If you take the risk as we all do that something will occur in RL that will require you to leave the computer for minutes to hours. But you want more cause you couldn't keep it in your pants and now have to deal with the kids while tyring to play eve.. and your suggestion is its better to change the game FOR you. Might want to get your facts straight. He is asking CCP to NOT change the game...to leave the game as it is ALREADY in regards to cloaks. It's the ones QQing about not being able to kill everyone in cloaks that ARE asking CCP to change the game.
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:29:00 - [67] Yeah lets balance the game based around the need to go afk. The rest of us play this for entertainment, not to accomodate Chinese Farmers who ss+cloak or parents who time their parental responsibilities in between rat spawns.
Darth Pheonix	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:32:00 - [68] Edited by: Darth Pheonix on 20/06/2007 23:31:27 The game is fine. Griefers just want to be able to pew pew every person the see in local without difficulty, that's why they want to nerf cloaks.
Mari Onette	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:42:00 - [69] To be perfectly honest, If nobody else is around to watch the kids while you play eve, maybe you should go play with your children instead of eve. I'm sure they would love very much to get a chance to play with their dad more.
petergriffen Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.20 23:47:00 - [70] Sometimes while I'm on an op, I like to go out and have a cigarette. CCP, can you implement a function that I can click on my interface to make me unable to be killed while I'm camping a gate with my compatriots? </sarcasm>
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.21 01:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Mari Onette To be perfectly honest, If nobody else is around to watch the kids while you play eve, maybe you should go play with your children instead of eve. I'm sure they would love very much to get a chance to play with their dad more. Children sleep. If you're a good parent, they go to bed pretty early. I work from home to watch my son grow up and be as big a part of his life as I can. Quaint troll, but not very effective.
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.21 01:27:00 - [72] log off?
Raketefrau Caldari Soldi di Protezione	Posted - 2007.06.21 04:52:00 - [73] Originally by: MehTheTrader log off? You can still be scanned and popped.
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:27:00 - [74] BULL! If you got to do somthing quick then just alt-q, you will be out of the game long bafore someone can find your warped to a safe spotted ship. A Minmater City... Cool! My Skills
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.21 06:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Raketefrau Originally by: MehTheTrader log off? You can still be scanned and popped. This argument always assumes there is a competently skilled prober in the system dedicated to finding only you.. I've yet to be popped in almost 3 years of play by logging because I had to do some unexpected task that took me away from the game.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:03:00 - [76] Originally by: MissileRus isnt this what wifes are for? QFT! Signed! Rabbled! ETC! "to be honest it makes me wonder about the mental state of a person who would join a corp called Space Perverts and Forum warriors"
ShardowRhino Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:30:00 - [77] Edited by: ShardowRhino on 21/06/2007 07:31:10 Originally by: Dant Kramble /signed Been laughed at quite a few times when people kill me and the mail mentions a cloak on pretty much everything. I'd favor a different idea. I don't like the untouchable red square in local any more than the next guy, but if a game mechanism can be changed to help out us parents w/o causing trouble to everybody else, then why not? Here's my pitch - cloaks on autorepeat shut down overview/local/ui. Make the screen go black with a textbox w/ a button to wake up. That way, locals know a hidden hostile is either right there smashing buttons or blind. Small comfort I guess, but provides limits. Provide a buffer for covert ops & recons. Yeah, people could log off, but that has its own problems. If I'm cloaked and afk, I'm most likely changing diapers. You would have to be a pretty nasty metagamer to want me podded while I am elbows-deep in infant excrement. seriously the idea of giving a specific group of players an advantage or to keep something the way it is just for that groups convience, its total nonsense! I'm in the U.S. and i hear a lot about how players seem to find most of the named rats right after downtime, I hereby suggest that CCP update the server so that those of us in North America can get a shot at grabbing up a load of named rats. Its not fair that the euro players get to have the bulk of them! Also since I live in the U.S. there are areas that are already mined to hell once I log on becuase all the greedy euro miners hit the fields. Give me a "respawn astroid" button! I'm not a parent but when i assume that i will have certain things pop up , i simply DO NOT go out into areas where ill get jacked if im distracted. Does it suck, is it limiting to what i can do at times? Hell yes but damned if I think CCP should make changes to suit my game time and problems. Eve just isn't a game where you can seriously play in dangerous areas when you know your going to get distracted and called away. You know the risks your facing once you leave .5 and you know your own RL situation so if you get jacked, its your fault for going afk out in .4 or less. Also what do i care if a parent has to go afk when i have some jackass sitting in a system cloaked. What do i care about someone I dont know wanting CCP to stop developing the game in a way that suits their needs when I don't find it fair for me to train to use probes, only to have all that rendered useless by some damn cloak? Cloaks as they are = immunity . Other then .5+ what immunity exists out in .4 and below? You know the situation, you know the risks. Risk vs. Reward is what it boils down to and I'm not one for giving a reward to those that don't want the risk. OH AND CAN SOMEONE FIX THIS "Status:unknown" BS thats been going on since the patch??/
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.21 07:35:00 - [78] Whilst i empathise with the op, this isnt CCP's problem. Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
kaeri Gallente Kaeri Corp	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:37:00 - [79] I'm a parent. My kids needs always come first, If I lose a ship because I have to see to them, I'll get another one. It's just a game! Just dock, log off or dont get yourself into situations you cant get out of... oh and as always....Dont fly in a ship you can't afford to lose ;) [Kaeri]
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:46:00 - [80] It's interesting to see all the replys from people without kids. You obviously have no clue at all. /signed.
Mirri Kazaki Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:56:00 - [81] My problem isn't getting podded because of my kids OOG, the change to cloaking would get me podded by them IG though.
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:06:00 - [82] 1.Nerf cloak 2.Change 'local system' to 'local grid' 3.Add 'neighborhood systems' where you only have + standings people in 0.0 within certain range of you. Sort of like constellation chat but slightly bigger area and work over edges of constellations.
Zakgram Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:15:00 - [83] Assuming you're cloaked, just randomly pointing your ship in some direction and setting your speed to maximum will result in a complete lack of good probe results since the probers will jump to the same area as you but will always be more than far enough away from you that they won't ever find you. They'll warp into the area, go "look, nothing here... must have warped off again".
Cpt Branko Partisan Warfare Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:27:00 - [84] Originally by: Zakgram Assuming you're cloaked, just randomly pointing your ship in some direction and setting your speed to maximum will result in a complete lack of good probe results since the probers will jump to the same area as you but will always be more than far enough away from you that they won't ever find you. They'll warp into the area, go "look, nothing here... must have warped off again". Yeah, this makes sense, and logging off should work about 99% of the time anyway. At any rate, if I'm going to lose a ship over IRL things which are important, well, I can always get another ship. I sometimes go AFK at a safespot in low-sec, because there's something more important then a game that needs my attention. So, while I do understand and can relate to your problems, they're not CCP's problems, nor should game mechanics need to cater for them.
Silpher Symphony of Destruction Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.21 12:28:00 - [85] They've already said they're not going to allow the scanning of cloaked ships. What they have sad is that it they may cause it to consume a resource (be it cap, fuel, w/e) or even have a timer. I don't understand why this issue is coming up, yet again. Plz, stop going on about this. There's already a 15+ page thread of the back and forth discussion of this topic, and having another one is just silly. CCP already has something in cooking up to find a middle ground for the issue, and I guarentee they've heard every argument possible from both sides as to what or would not be propper. --- snip Your signature is inappropriate for these forums, email [email protected] with a link to your signature if you have questions -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.06.21 13:52:00 - [86] Originally by: Silpher They've already said they're not going to allow the scanning of cloaked ships. What they have sad is that it they may cause it to consume a resource (be it cap, fuel, w/e) or even have a timer. I don't understand why this issue is coming up, yet again. Plz, stop going on about this. There's already a 15+ page thread of the back and forth discussion of this topic, and having another one is just silly. CCP already has something in cooking up to find a middle ground for the issue, and I guarentee they've heard every argument possible from both sides as to what or would not be propper. Quote please?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:08:00 - [87] Why not just go the whole hog and add a "pause button"? Cloak = invulnerable mode. EVE does not need an invulnerable mode. Invulnerable mode sure is handy for some RL situations, but it doesn't make it a good addition to the game. Unless you're in the thick of PvP agro, deep space safe spot and log off is just about as safe as you'll ever need it. And personally I don't PvP if I know I'm likely to get distracted- my PvP time is when I know I'm safe from RL distractions. Sucks if your life has a lot of distractions, but it doesn't mean the game mechanics should remain borked for your benefit. --------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:13:00 - [88] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/06/2007 14:13:00 Originally by: Robert Denby Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic. Oh god this is so... so true. Though cloaking can be overpowered, EVE does need to at least cater to people who have a real life. Maybe offer a short period of invulnerability after which the cloaker can be scanned down (30 minutes). 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:14:00 - [89] So CCP should provide cloak as a safe way to go AFK for when things pop up. Lets replace ccp with restaurant and cloak with babysitter. A restaurant should provide a babysitter so parents can come dining. Sounds silly that way, right? As for parents having more financial means, that's bs. For the last 2 decades teens and twenthies have been listed as an important group to pry money from. They usually have a decent income and few to none fixed expenditures. Fresh parents have to deal with rent/mortgage, utility bills, insurance, car + maintenance, kids and their associated costs, putting aside money for the kids to go to school. Except a lucky few most parents are strapped for cash not flowing with it. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Shey Navarr Core Element	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:42:00 - [90] Hi, single parent of two small kids here. I have to disagree with the idea that a parent needs a special way to go afk safely. I've lost my ship a few times having to leave the computer but that was solely my choice to leave my ship hanging in space rather than hitting ctrl-q. I do, however, think that cloaked ships should not be scannable. Seems kind of silly. If they want to stop people from sitting in cloak for hours on end then they should do it another way. To the poster that thinks parents shouldn't play games: When kids are asleep/at a friends house/at school etc. and I'm off work what else should I be doing to relax?
Annika MonSulu	Posted - 2007.06.21 14:58:00 - [91] Edited by: Annika MonSulu on 21/06/2007 14:57:56 Originally by: Washell Olivaw So CCP should provide cloak as a safe way to go AFK for when things pop up. Lets replace ccp with restaurant and cloak with babysitter. A restaurant should provide a babysitter so parents can come dining. Sounds silly that way, right? and yet health clubs do just that for members that use their services. Guess it's not so silly to provide such a service for paying members. Quote: As for parents having more financial means, that's bs. For the last 2 decades teens and twenthies have been listed as an important group to pry money from. They usually have a decent income and few to none fixed expenditures. Fresh parents have to deal with rent/mortgage, utility bills, insurance, car + maintenance, kids and their associated costs, putting aside money for the kids to go to school. Except a lucky few most parents are strapped for cash not flowing with it. According to the ESA Quote: TOP 10 INDUSTRY FACTS 1. US computer and video game software sales grew six percent in 2006 to $7.4 billion û almost tripling industry software sales since 1996. 2. Sixty-nine percent of American heads of households play computer and video games. 3. The average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for 12 years. 4. The average age of the most frequent game buyer is 40 years old. In 2006, 93 percent of computer game buyers and 83 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18. 5. Eighty-five percent of all games sold in 2005 were rated "E" for Everyone, "T" for Teen, or "E10+" for Everyone 10+. For more information on ratings, please see www.esrb.org. 6. Eighty-seven percent of game players under the age of 18 report that they get their parentsÆ permission when renting or buying games, and 89 percent say their parents are present when they buy games. 7. Thirty-five percent of American parents say they play computer and video games. Further, 80 percent of gamer parents say they play video games with their kids. Sixty-six percent feel that playing games has brought their families closer together. 8. Thirty-eight percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (30%) than boys age 17 or younger (23%). 9. In 2005, 25 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999. 10. Forty-four percent of game players say they play games online one or more hours per week. In addition, 32 percent of heads of households play games on a wireless device, such as a cell phone or PDA, up from 20 percent in 2002. http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php Now you see why adults....and parents specifically, tend to be catered to by the software companies. The money is in fact in the hands of the parents.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:03:00 - [92] If you move fast enough to be 2km away from the point you were at the moment you were scanned when the scanner warps in, they don't decloak you, no? ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Annika MonSulu	Posted - 2007.06.21 15:08:00 - [93] Originally by: Laboratus If you move fast enough to be 2km away from the point you were at the moment you were scanned when the scanner warps in, they don't decloak you, no? Jump to the point...don't see anyone. Launch new probe. It returns results...turn and fly at it fast. If you are faster than the cloaked ship...as you most likely are...you will outrun them, and turn the cloak off. Only an ATK cloaked pilot would be able to give enough zig and zag to through the technique off.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.21 16:54:00 - [94] E. when your not playing, log off. I mean, it's not hard when you here kids screaming to hit CTRl-Q
Dant Kramble	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:35:00 - [95] Lol, k, as many features are begged for and/or demanded by various group, I'm shocked this one is so troll-prone. Invulnerable cloaked ships on your home turf is a pain - yes. It would probably be good if there was a way to find enemy scouts with sufficent effort and skill (and perhaps cost)- yes Some people use the current cloak system to accomodate family / RL needs Other folks use it (abuse it) as tactics / annoyance, etc. All the OP is interested in is a way to preserve the usefulness of cloak for non-tactical, non-strategic motives if it is the intent of the dev's to nerf the tactical / strategic action. As I said before, an ability to "power-down" your ship so it has no ability to gather intel but is also pretty un-findable seems reasonable. Make powering-down take a couple minutes if you want. How about after 30 minutes, a powered-down ship starts becoming probable to some extent. Gotta be some fancy physics idea that can be made up to explain that. If I'm way off-track, then you come up with one. Doesn't seem impossible to make one aspect of the game that is really RL-friendly now less abusable. Not really asking to unbalance anything, just a way to go afk without cheating, but also without logging. Its a small request. As far as I care, make all the limitations needed to keep it from being abused.
Sir Howard Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:50:00 - [96] Real Life > Eve Online Spending Time with your Kids > Eve Online "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a ******* box"*
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:51:00 - [97] Originally by: Robert Denby Edited by: Robert Denby on 20/06/2007 17:22:27 Basically, I have to somewhat nerf any of my ships to fit a cloak. You never know when your kids are gonna freak out, wake up screaming, or whatever. So as a parent, your choices will be: a) never leave systems that you can't dock in b) plan on losing a lot of ships to scanners c) stop playing Kinda sucks, tbh. I'm not telling CCP what to do, I'm just pointing this out as a dynamic. I'm a parent and about to become a parent again, I have no problem with this needed nerf. When you gotta go you log, if you are being probed at that moment you lose your ship then, its not the games fault you have kids. I've ratted in 0.0 for quite a while now often with no safe area nearby and I can't say I've been killed offline once and I never use a cloak.
K'reemy G'udness Gallente Delicious	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:57:00 - [98] I sympathize with the OP, but I only play when my 16 month old is asleep or otherwise occupied. Hell, I've also got a parrot who is like a 2 year old that lives 60 years and has a five-in-one tool for a face, so I've got to stay on my toes. And you trolls with no kids, don't have any or you won't get to play eve like it's your job anymore. Also, your kids will probably be little jerkass solipsists just like you, and nobody needs more of those ffs. In the final analysis, you've got to be ready to ctrl-q if you have to run upstairs to shove a binky in or your parrot is patiently chewing a wad of $20 bills into confetti. I find that I can usually start to SS, go settle the baby and be back downstairs before I'm out of warp. RL > any stupid old MMO. Sincerely, K'reemy --- Recruiting - Named Item List
Sunny Mooninite Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.21 18:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Herculite ...I've ratted in 0.0 for quite a while now often with no safe area nearby and I can't say I've been killed offline once and I never use a cloak. Sounds great, where do you rat? --- Yeah, I trolled your thread, and it didn't cost me a dime. What ya gonna do?
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.21 19:01:00 - [100] Ahem, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Annika MonSulu http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php Now you see why adults....and parents specifically, tend to be catered to by the software companies. The money is in fact in the hands of the parents. BAM! That RIGHT THERE is why CCP needs to give us an /AFK option. Parents NEED to have the ability to get up and walk away if there is a family emergency! If the attitude of CCP is like those of the obviously childless here; "If you have kids you shouldn't be playing games" Then CCP stands to lose a MASSIVE portion of it's playerbase. And, of course, all the money that goes with them. Anyone here think all that cash won't make CCP think twice about nerfing the cloak? If you do you are on drugs. Parents have the money and money talks. Parents are saying we need the ability to safely walk away in an emergency. Otherwise what you are looking at is a metagamed NERF on Parents. What do I mean? Allow me to explain: We will all agree that Parenting is more important than gaming. That goes without saying, but I state it anyway just to shut up the trolls. We can also all agree that everyone needs some downtime away from the responsibilities of life. For Parents that includes downtime away from the kids. If we are good parents, it has to happen after the kids are in bed, or otherwise occupied with some activity we can't partake in. The problem that Parents have it that their downtime is MUCH more frequently interrupted than that of the childless. Kids have tantrums, wake up from nightmares, needs drinks of water, need diapers changed, fall and skin their knees.. it goes on and on and on. So our "downtime" is frequently broken up due to much more important things intruding. What does this mean for gameplay? Well, those that don't have familial responsibilities have long periods of uninterrupted downtime to game as much as they like. The Childless can stay more focused, can be more dedicated, and can be much more dogged about hunting someone down, etc. During Fleet battles they won't suddenly have to get up and tend to a screaming child. When crossing unsafe space they don't have to go AFK to fill a sippy cup. Overall they already have an advantage due to simply having more time. Over long periods of time this translates into less missed opportunities, more effective and enjoyable play, and more powerful and wealthy characters. The whole thing snowballs for them, and the Childless end up in the lead in almost every facet of gameplay. Parents get the short end of the stick. The cloak adds a bit of balance to this situation. It allows a Parent to simply stop, cloak, and walk away from the game, without adding an unfair (IE: Not in the game mechanics) risk to their play that the Childless don't have to worry about. As many here have said, this game is about risk vs reward. The problem is that Parents have ADDITIONAL RISK built into their LIVES that the Childless don't have, and this translates over into game play. The cloak helps even the playing field. Nerfing it without adding some kind of "/AFK" function to the game is basically nerfing the majority of the EVE playerbase. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. Leave cloaks alone or give us an AFK function. The Parental Playerbase (and our money) DEMAND it.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:34:00 - [102] Being a parent, I demand that if I say, happen to jump into a bubble camp and my little one stubs his tow, I should be able to escape without penalty
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.21 23:49:00 - [103] afk timer added (for all gameplay) cloaks should remain hidden as they are meant to be - it should simply take time to become cloaked and local should be changed ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Maya Rkell Third Grade Ergonomics	Posted - 2007.06.22 00:03:00 - [104] The practical effect is less people in lowsec and 0.0. Own goal, CCP. //Maya
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.22 04:58:00 - [105] i'm a stay at home dad and i've got a little 2 year old who thinks he's a monkey just plan your schedule around his times, and your fine. i've gone on fleet ops when i was supposed to be watching him, oddly enough i knew about them ahead of time and had his uncle (who also plays eve) to watch him...granted he was still in my apartment, just under someone else's eyes for a few hours (and i had to get up a few times to change ****ie diapers...good think uncle-scaredofgettinghishandsdirty knows how to align/f1-f8) why would you NPC or undock or whatever when your supposed to be watching them anyways...

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