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Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2007.06.23 07:31:00 - [1] I have failed to log on EvE for about 2 weeks so far, but I did check the test server a bit ago to fool around with Stealth Bombers. Just wondering, has anyone noticed a large performance boost of any kind for Amarr? It was a planned event to bring Amarr to a decent level, but as far as I read in the patch notes...not much changed besides overloading. (Which every race can do, so theres no adverse bonus to Amarr.) Thanks
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.23 07:37:00 - [2] your pulse laser's power level is now OVER NINE THOUSAND !!1 _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Gibbal Slogspit Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:19:00 - [3] Pulse lasers were all given a 25% tracking boost. Active hardeners are easier to fit on CPU, so thats a small boost to Amarr imo. Amarr arent THAT bad, they dont need a large boost to be honest.
Captator	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:51:00 - [4] lol Akita ^^
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:42:00 - [5] Frigate beams got a pretty nice boost as well as the PG requirements for "Medium Beam Laser" (and it's variants) was reduced. ...or so that is nothing but a boost for new Amarr mission runners and possibly the crusader as well, but hey. Oh. And apparantly from the whining the omnitanking Blasterthron setup was nerfed as well. Anything that cuts down on omnitanking in favor of 3xActive setups is a boost for the Amarr. I havn't had time to test out alot of setups, but I hope it didn't hit Amarr setups too bad, especially in the larger classes. I had to re-fit my own retribution setup, but I think the new setup is equal to the old one. Now if we could somehow improve the Amarr HACs and T1 turret cruisers and Amarr might be a nice choice again. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Kirov VIII	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:51:00 - [6] Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage !
lofty29 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Maybe its to do with looks on character creation? Caldari are the cool, steely industrial fighters - very appealing to alot of people. Gallente are the beautiful people - again, appealing. Minmatar are the outcast, tough-as-nails type - appealing. Amarr are the crazy religious ones - uhm...k. See my point? --- Project Mayhem
Jongo Fett Caldari Dark Entropy	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:50:00 - [8] minmatar also get sunglasses
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.06.23 12:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 23/06/2007 12:56:15 minm hav got their speed. Caldari hav great shield tanks and 0 cap use weapons (to be fair active shield tanks drink the juice) gallante hav their drone'n'high dps. amarr hav...... slightly more cap and armor, oh and a second ship bonus thats not veyr good on most of their ships. The only real boost amarr need (and yes i fly amarr) is to drop the cap use bonus, and give a decent increase to the actual capacitor. Then the amarr would really be the cap race, with the layzors. The current bonus only really helps when you hav high skils in energy skills, controlled bursts in gunnery and a high lvl of the ship skill. This is bad for the noobs as is, and even with max skills is a problem on some ships like the abaddon. 25% more tracking is great and everything..... but its far from whats needed IMO.
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:11:00 - [10] I always thought it was because all the races besides amarr got women in the picture.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:39:00 - [11] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Maybe its to do with looks on character creation? Caldari are the cool, steely industrial fighters - very appealing to alot of people. Gallente are the beautiful people - again, appealing. Minmatar are the outcast, tough-as-nails type - appealing. Amarr are the crazy religious ones - uhm...k. See my point? lol I disagree. Gallente: I spent a lot of time trying to make a Gallente pilot which didn't look like a geek but failed. Why do you think most of those who decide to start with that race pick a girl? Caldari: Every pilot looks alike...no thanks. Minmater: Okay they do look cool so I agree here. Amarr: Depends if you mind being an Asian or a grumpy looking old man. As far as the Amarr boost goes, I can only say that the pulse tracking is very nice. I am actually hitting things now. All the other changes I can't really comment on yet.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:56:00 - [12] the pulse tracking was never needed. noone complained about tracking.. the medium beams, well duuuuuhhhh! been broken for ages, again not a boost just ccp beeing very slow. yeah that was the boost. apoc change? nope. dmg change? nope.
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.23 14:41:00 - [13] Who cares if it was never needed {although I could debate that} or whether it was asked for. It is still a nice improvement.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.23 15:22:00 - [14] The tracking boost was nice, as was the grid reduction for med beams, but the EANM nerf was silly. First, because 3x active hardeners still take more cpu than 2x EANM + DCU II. Second, because Amarr ships don't tend to have much CPU in the first place, a lot of setups are now down the drain. Third, since most people aren't willing to sacrifce their setup, they are either buying turret CPU reduction implants, are Faction EANMS, the result of which is the same OR BETTER resist against EM damage. So yeah, not a great move.
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:38:00 - [15] Well, they tried Maybe next patch...
Leviathan Brian	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:42:00 - [16] You don't need a boost when the gods of EVE are on your side.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.23 16:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Leviathan Brian You don't need a boost when the gods of EVE are on your side. Exactly, God is my co-pilot ;) ----------------------------------------------
CypherDragon	Posted - 2007.06.23 17:46:00 - [18] Originally by: lofty29 Amarr are the crazy religious ones - uhm...k. And there's something wrong with being a "crazy religious one?" I think you might need to have your heretical thoughts cleansed by the holy light of my beams :)
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.23 18:20:00 - [19] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Maybe its to do with looks on character creation? Caldari are the cool, steely industrial fighters - very appealing to alot of people. Gallente are the beautiful people - again, appealing. Minmatar are the outcast, tough-as-nails type - appealing. Amarr are the crazy religious ones - uhm...k. See my point? Oh so my character is sexeh??? As for amarr,i fly them,but i dont see much of a need to boostem besides the amount of cap lasers use,tracking helps but meh. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
NebulaSurfer Amarr White Star Corporation Gemini Federation	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:19:00 - [20] Edited by: NebulaSurfer on 24/06/2007 02:19:39 i fly amarr exclusively...and i dont cross train...dont plan to in the future as well... but the only gripe that i'll have to agree with everyone is that amarr has cap issues...the fact that just by shooting our weapons have the tendency to suck our own cap dry...high skills will just delay the inevitable of capping out... so if that happens then max out skills in dmg dealing...popping a rat with less number of shots will reduce the total amount of caps used... so far i have absolutely no problem in lvl4 missions...no cap, dps or tanking issues...i cant say anything for pvp though as i still have not ventured into it... moral of the story? dont jump into something and stereotype it as impossible just because a lot of ppl say so...its an experience that you should have yourself and not thru hearsay...
Agern	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Constructive, and an excellent use of the (!)... your scholarly handling of the Amarr vs. the other races issue is only heightened by your constant use of absurd punctuation. Please return to the WoW forums, where such insight receives the highest praise.
Rudy Metallo Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Agern Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Constructive, and an excellent use of the (!)... your scholarly handling of the Amarr vs. the other races issue is only heightened by your constant use of absurd punctuation. Please return to the WoW forums, where such insight receives the highest praise. BURN IN RIGHTEOUS FIRE! Say what?
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Agern Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Constructive, and an excellent use of the (!)... your scholarly handling of the Amarr vs. the other races issue is only heightened by your constant use of absurd punctuation. Please return to the WoW forums, where such insight receives the highest praise. can't....stop...laughing...
Kirov VIII	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:51:00 - [24] CCP, how many threads, reply need for a change on laser/amarr ??? CCP never respond to a topic about amarr and make : NOTHING ! Oh no sorry, two things : 1. boost of tachyon a turret which take 30% more power, ~10% more cpu/grid with only 1% more damage than a mega beam. After somes years, CCP have corrected that and increase damage ! => It's really great :P 2. Medium beam : these turrets are totally not *****ble. They have make something. I haven't test, it's probably better but don't correct the problem with the amarr BS/cruisers. (No sorry, I don't fitt medium beam on abaddon for keep some cap :P) The tracking, it's only a balance of the very big nerfl on ALL pulse for ONLY ONE problem with "Arma" ... Gallente, if the megathron make too much damage, all neutron make 50% less damage and reduce damage on all ammo. Yes, it's a problem with the megathron, need to nerfl all gallente/caldari ships. It's logic ! (With lot a luck, 2-3 years after, you have 50% more optimal range for balance the lost of damage :P) In all case, I'm sorry but it's not us but CCP which need to make something VERY quickly for amarr !!! Stop all other improvement and correct this race. It's 25% of the game which can't play correctly. We make a lot of topic, explain the problem, give lot of idea, CCP make nothing :( Amarr wait since lot of years for play ! We have paid, we have up the skill, we have the right to play like another player which have the luck to choose another race !
Locutus ofBorg Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.06.24 20:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Kirov VIII Why all "other" race than amarr player say always which amarr are fine ?????? You have a brain no ? IF yes : USE IT !!! Why the amarr item are 2-3x cheaper than other race ??? Because nobody use !!! Because amarr are useless and amarr use !!!!!ANOTHER RACE!!!!!! for play !!! If all amarr go to their own race, the price of other item : Caldari, Gallente & Minmatar go cheaper !!! If the demand decrease => the price decrease too ! Stop to say which amarr are fine because 2 things : first, it's wrong ! Second, you pay less if amarr use their own item !!! Amarr NEED A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT OF BOOOOOOST SINCE LOT OF YEARS !!!!!!!! Tracking don't help to break the tank of NPC !, omnitank "boost" (yes with the reduce cpu on hardener by 8 and increase EANM by 6, you win cpu at each time which you fitt a hardener) = don't help for pvp & pve ! And the medium beam is good, but ALL BEAM need these change !!! And we have always a problem with cap & tank & damage ! Im a caldari and i fly amarr... maybe you should think before you post mmkay?
Sku1ly coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:11:00 - [26] Amarr are crap, don't by their modules or ships. Don't waste your isk on useless items! Proud Amarr Pilot
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Ronin Reborn I always thought it was because all the races besides amarr got women in the picture. <---- ? I picked amarr partly because the chicks looked hot :o __________________________________
Aerin Cloudfayr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.25 00:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Ronin Reborn I always thought it was because all the races besides amarr got women in the picture. <---- ? I picked amarr partly because the chicks looked hot :o lol amen (b^-')b Amarr's had a half decent fix, though there's still more left, hopefully one day Amarr will gain quite a significant capacitor boost - while it IS larger than the other races', it is not significantly larger on any scale. Probably the only ship to gain this racial benefit is the Apoc, and in conjunction with the power usage bonus, this makes it unique. wtb 50% laser capacitor usage on all Amarr ships. Blood Raider style
Sylek Amarr The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:43:00 - [29] Edited by: Sylek on 25/06/2007 01:44:26 Yeah, I've been keeping myself from ranting on the forums because of Amarr recently but I must admit these changes did nothing really. All my ships feel exactly the same and I still have no interest in going back to close range amarr ships. Our main problem has always been cap use (vulnerability to NOS), damage types, **ty cap bonuses (although very necessary because of broken guns). Tracking is definitely not one of the main issues. Sure, they didn't have very good tracking, but I don't really think amarr pulse lasers need good tracking. Other less important fixables are more variety in Battleships, Retribution medslots, **ty Sacrilege, Abaddon (part of cap use, but if you're not going to do that at least give it a better cap bonus or the laser cap usage bonus). I love the T2 beams though, so long as you have T2 ammo they do half decent. I mean, you're not going to go on a killing spree when half of your damage is EM, but they are still nice. This does not apply to mega beams, they suck.
Tokra	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:43:00 - [30] I saw Amaar Ships with Hybrids. I saw Amaar Ships with Projectiles. But i never saw a non Amarr ship with Lasers. Its not the Amarr ships that are the problem. Its the Lasers. And the problems resulting from these.

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