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Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:35:00 - [271] Really, I love how EVERYONE is beating the dead horse of 300 vs 100 to death... Like ANYONE.... ANYONE goes for a "fair" fight in this game... there is NO such thing. This is EVE... Anyone that says they're looking for a "good" fight or a "fair" fight is seriously lying to themselves... If this werent true, all the pirates would be running around in small groups or solo in non t2 frigates with non t2 fittings because fighting ppl like that would be a "challenge" not this hundred plus blobs of uber t2 ships with full t2 loadouts... I even say a guy with a sig that summed this up perfectly the other day: "If Im in a fair fight Ive done something horribly wrong". Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:40:00 - [272] Once or twice during this entire thread an adult conversation was in danger of breaking out. Pity it didn't. But then, it would not have been an Eve forum thread, would it? Seriously, folks, either CCP have created a terribly broken game (from the "ready, shoot! aim" game design school) or... I don't even want to think of the alternatives. Regards from a player who avoids large fleet play like the plague, Gorty -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Fresh Prinz	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:41:00 - [273] Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. so thats how they win fleet battles.
Vire Amarr FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:41:00 - [274] Originally by: Richard Aiel Who speaks French btw>? Originally by: FGxHalsey As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin. Was that mean? i stand near my french brother : don't (look up) , we will have new ship and will got back to fighting for a final victory
Popperr	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:42:00 - [275] Originally by: TWD In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account . Originally by: Coranor We all had lag. It took my client at least 5 minutes to figure out that i was'nt in 9-9 anymore after the jump bridge. Then it took another 3 minutes to load any ships in the system. See everyone experiences lag in fights the same way. You just gotta learn to fight through and not to log your thanatos off when you're in a dictor bubble and you're at half armour. But really i have to ask the most pressing question here. Can i have your stuff? these are both your accounts you sad little man
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:43:00 - [276] Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around. That was me, during the ASCN campaign. I don't have a link to hand, unfortunatey. However, the one thing that post missed, was... Don't panic. Don't logoff. Don't cry. Just wait, do as ordered, and get back in the saddle as soon as possible after dieing. Sure as hell don't threaten to quit over one event when you've probably had hundreds of hours of joy and laughter shooting rocks or players whilst on Teamspeak with your friends. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Strepsils	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:44:00 - [277] Originally by: Ztrain Edited by: Ztrain on 26/06/2007 21:54:29 The French always amaze me. You don't want lag? Don't bring 270 to a battle. Z Did you fit 4 WCSs on your sniping ship this time again? Or you scouted in a frig, from a safespot again? Amusing what BoB is recruiting these days. They must be desperate, heh.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:45:00 - [278] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. so thats how they win fleet battles. Optimising the client to make it less laggy in fleet battles seems eminently sensible to me. Then telling everyone else how they do it is pretty fair too. But tinfoil hattery always wins, so it's probably the devs giving the hamsters on Bob's servers PCP & speed.
Nevada Tan	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:45:00 - [279] Originally by: Fink Angel Can I make a comment as a neutral, with no side to take... I think Bob are actually pretty restrained and obviously a fairly mature (in age and outlook) bunch of players. I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around. The Bob style of play is a little too serious for me, but they clearly run as a military operation, strict chain of command, strict roles and rules etc. and it pays major dividends. Just my 2 pence ... on with the usual programme ... DBP alt spotted. -DBP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing.
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:46:00 - [280] This thread was covered live by a bob radio dj on air on bob radio. btw i was npcing when all this happend. listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage.

Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:49:00 - [281] Originally by: Nevada Tan DBP alt spotted. -DBP Put the conspiracy theory down ma'am. Take 5 steps backward, kneel and interlock your fingers behind your head.
Littleluk Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:51:00 - [282] Lag= slow target locks, slow modules, slow overview etc. Desync= it NEVER updates, your client doesnt move, your overview continues to show the info from when you desynced. A couple of obvious things from the thread. Lag is the same for both sides sorta. BOB jumped in and were lagged. TCF warped to engage the enemy and desynced. This means a good portion of TCF could only regain control of their ships by relogging or reconnectiong after they crashed. This also means that the BOB who came in the second jumpbridge were lagged and could, after a reasonable delay, lock and kill ships. Obviously TCF did not ever regain synchronization to their clients. Fairly annoying when your the person who cant do anything about it. Second issue, since BOB says they tried to jump 3-4 times. Shouldnt a titan that is jump bridging a ship somewhere else have to like go with that fleet to the new destination? Third issue. I think it is obvious in this thread how anxious BOB is to have a victory at this stage. And how broke their average member is. I haven't seen so many people asking for free stuff to help them since the last heavily advertised 14 day free trial in Jita local. Everyone needs a little luk.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:53:00 - [283] Heh. This reminds me of node crash in TCAG. Tried to login multiple times for 20-25 minutes, stared at empty screen with green icons on the right side (BoB logging on), while many of us couldn't get in. After some 20 minutes, wallet increased on character selection screen, so I knew I was dead. 19 BoB pilots on killmail (including a carrier), and ASCNers still couldn't log on. We didn't "understand game mechanics" (their favourite line :), so we died. That always made me laugh. When I asked where is documentation for all that "game mechanics" BoB is talking about, noone was kind enough to point me in the right direction. Corp/alliance chat or MSN seem to be the only way to 'learn' about game mechanics, heh. Sweet memories
Tyrus Ex Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:55:00 - [284] It would appear TCF has a short-term memory. +1 IRONY ---
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:55:00 - [285] Originally by: Vire Amarr Originally by: Richard Aiel Who speaks French btw>? Originally by: FGxHalsey As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin. Was that mean? i stand near my french brother : don't (look up) , we will have new ship and will got back to fighting for a final victory Flowery lol thx Firguring that my whole family is French youd think Id speak it :p Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Vire Amarr FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:56:00 - [286] understand game mecanism ? How come bob always know before all ? Do they have slaves to try all eve script and find leak ? in real life leak = illegal so in eve it should be same in eve
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:56:00 - [287] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around. That was me, during the ASCN campaign. I don't have a link to hand, unfortunatey. However, the one thing that post missed, was... Don't panic. Don't logoff. Don't cry. Just wait, do as ordered, and get back in the saddle as soon as possible after dieing. Sure as hell don't threaten to quit over one event when you've probably had hundreds of hours of joy and laughter shooting rocks or players whilst on Teamspeak with your friends. Hey post that minimize lag overview thing plz lol Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Khonsu Rest home for Tired Seadogs	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:57:00 - [288] I knew BoB was a gang of arrogant smacktards, but I didn't know they were as bad as they prove in this thread. Impressive work gathering all the worst and most bigheaded lowlifes in a single alliance. The roach I stepped on yesterday is more valuable than you guys.
Nevada Tan	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:57:00 - [289] On a slightly less tinfoil-hat note, does anyone know exactly where the server is and/or which ISP backbone node it is parked on? London is a big place and has many ISPs. :) (And CCP UK isn't even in London, for that matter!) It might just be something simple like most of BoB have got a better ping to the server than most of TCF/Goons/etc. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 - [290] Originally by: Nevada Tan Originally by: Fink Angel Can I make a comment as a neutral, with no side to take... I think Bob are actually pretty restrained and obviously a fairly mature (in age and outlook) bunch of players. I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around. The Bob style of play is a little too serious for me, but they clearly run as a military operation, strict chain of command, strict roles and rules etc. and it pays major dividends. Just my 2 pence ... on with the usual programme ... DBP alt spotted. -DBP cant be this guy doesnt write like this when he talks. Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true

Ephemeral Waves The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 - [291] Originally by: Fresh Prinz Originally by: Ephemeral Waves Originally by: frederik In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account . FREDERIK TCF alliance leader Can I have your stuff? can i have ur stuff after he gives u his stuff? No way! I make sigs
JADE DRAG0NESS Minmatar Night Hawks	Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 - [292] Originally by: Hussards Can i have your stuff? How Boringly Predictable. This is one aspect of the commuity i hate. The bit where EvEtards come up and "say Can i have your stuff". "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
John Caldr	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:01:00 - [293] As it was said, we had same issue, in UNL and allies threads are here - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=545076 So I think most ppl of our alliance write here something like +1 or /signed. Lags started just after the Cyno and few ships jumped in. Not a big difference from 300 local. After this we DO SAW local increasing but we were not able to move. So - we DO had a link to the server. And at the same we DO had lags and sme of us desync. While getting damage, loosing ships and knowing someone fights us from TS. Interesting issue. Relogin (and we all know what a relogin do to a tuned fleet wtih adjusted gangs) took about 15 mins. Including hangup WITHOUT ANY TCP/IP or UDP RESPONSE from the server for about 13 mins (while any other my char could enter the game even in Jita) After the warp (almost immidiately!) I started to get damage (with nothing in overview). And at this moment I see an Insurance mail for my ship and at the same time .... my ship. Just before I was going to explode, Game freeze a silent moment before death. After some time, about 150 ships appear in overview. They are still here like ghosts. But I see TCP pockets are coming from EVE server. So it is an ingame issue and not a result of fighting, its too easy to fire at sitting ducks that unable to response. I dont think that the lag, desync and disconnect are a part of the game. Since "Lagging or desyncing online" is not a game I'm purchasing each month for few accounts. It should be about skills and not the fact who is closer to the EVE server. Really. BOBs - you did not had a chance in fair fight. At least you would not be able to get less damage then deal. Focus owns. Practice of knowning ingame mechanic is called metagaming. i do not know what type of fun you have by killing sitting ducks, but this type of fun sucks. so /signed CCP - PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE. The more ppl play in EVE - the more petitions you get for fleet battles, and more ppl quit EVE since lagging online when you (I) spend your (my) precious (I mean it) time, I do not want to get a complete dissapointment during this time and start considering the move to another MMOG (or make a new one). We should be able to get a fair fight. If its a hardware issue - it was obvious that reinforced POSes will attract all the parties, so any hardware adjustments should be made beforehand. LOOKING for an IDEAL SOLUTION in curent state? - SOLUTION IS SIMPLE If you cant process and transfer huge amount of data realtime - use iterations and compresed data. If you Do have a hardware issue in a system - Limit actions timer to 5-10-20-30-45-60 seconds instead of 1 or less from same client. And to put an end to so obvious from KB "we lagged/desynced, they dont" - set it for entire system as a visible parameter same for all ships in system/hardware cluster. It is not a complex task withing extendable environment for any team and will not demand any changes in code, architecture, etc.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:01:00 - [294] Originally by: Jonaswpl <silly smacking image> I wonder if RKK knew they'd be getting tons of mediocre smackers when they were picking up the trash from Shinra. Really, leave smacking to "old" bobbits, they do it with style.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:04:00 - [295] so basically the point of this thread is: When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care) when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX. freaking hypocrites. go kill urselves ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Nevada Tan	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:04:00 - [296] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Jonaswpl <silly smacking image> I wonder if RKK knew they'd be getting tons of mediocre smackers when they were picking up the trash from Shinra. Really, leave smacking to "old" bobbits, they do it with style. They didn't care - they just wanted the titan & what was left of the Shinra capital fleet. The pilots were just an unpleasantly necessary part of the deal. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing.
JADE DRAG0NESS Minmatar Night Hawks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:07:00 - [297] Originally by: Natsuki so basically the point of this thread is: When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care) when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX. Yep In the end thats what happens when someone powerfull cheats they make enermies. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:09:00 - [298] Prove I cheated ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Tyrus Ex Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:09:00 - [299] Originally by: Nevada Tan The pilots were just an unpleasantly necessary part of the deal. I can assure you my new friends find me very pleasant. oh... and yarrr... --
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:10:00 - [300] Originally by: Natsuki so basically the point of this thread is: When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care) when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX. freaking hypocrites. go kill urselves Now, I know you're in DICE, which is the bush league of BoB, but even you should realize that your alliance's leader and former pilot of said titan has said that he did not desync.



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