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frederik
Gallente Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:22:00 -
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Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:23:00 -
[2]
Welcome to EVE, where the side that wins in a large fleet fight is decided not by skill, not by numbers, but by the roll of the dice... the side that lags less. 
23 Member
EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! |

Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:23:00 -
[3]
Delicious stuff, you must give it! -
You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means |

joshua cane
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:24:00 -
[4]
signed
we suffered bad desync 
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Idara
Caldari Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:25:00 -
[5]
Originally by: frederik
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Promise?  --- in EVE - Idara |

Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:26:00 -
[6]
it is a shame that the awesome fight we expected against BOB tonight finish like that by the anihilation of an entire fleet due to technical problems.
No fun for everyone, even for BOB players that certainly do not play eve to shoot at ennemy that do not even see them.
Stelteck Tau ceti FEDERATION Section XIII "Brakes are for cowards" |

Arckaon
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:26:00 -
[7]
15 min of black screen , need to speed , can't play when bob jump in , d'ont see my ship :) nice fleet battle
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Black Jumper
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:27:00 -
[8]
No ranting nor troll here, this battle was a disgrace for CCP. /signed.
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frederik
Gallente Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:27:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: frederik
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Promise? 
promise .
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Ombrae
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:27:00 -
[10]
To carify position : most of us get desych from the server as soon as enemy open a jump portal. We couldnt warp on enemy (as we were already on warp on server side, but our client show nothing), we couldnt figth, we couldnt move...and enemy were able to probe, figth and some tell us about "bad" lag of 5 to 10s....
No choice other than wait death or logoff, and not be able to login back.
Result : 250 friendly, 5 hostile pre figth / post figth : 150 hostiles, 50 friendly still online.
- BoBo -
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Jonaswpl
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:28:00 -
[11]
Hahahaha.
Karma Police
"I'll tell you why the frack you didn't get EVE Voice; because TS/Vent is free."
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Obidios
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:28:00 -
[12]
Can i have your stuff?
OH, WAIT... you lost it. -----------------
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Trankill
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:28:00 -
[13]
signed
I saw the gate, i saw the cyno, 20 minutes later i saw the station ^^ and the killmails....
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Xonix
Critical Analysis
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:29:00 -
[14]
aww did someone loose a carrier 
3:1 and you still get owned. ha!
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Chveu
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:29:00 -
[15]
Can I have your chars and assets ? [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL] |

MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:29:00 -
[16]
Guess that carrier loss hurt eh ?
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Vorgoth
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[17]
Smells like somebody died.
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Hussards
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[18]
Can i have your stuff?

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BarataS
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[19]
Can i have your stuff?
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[20]
IN CASE OF EMERGENCY
DO NOT LOG OFF IN A BUBBLE
We got your FanFest, right here. |

Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[21]
welcome to eve
please contract your stuff to me before leaving
good bye ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |

Gismork
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Gismork on 26/06/2007 21:30:14 Can I have your stuff ?
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:30:00 -
[23]
Edited by: LUKEC on 26/06/2007 21:29:35 Here are rows. May they help you navigate your boat in river of tears.
-------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Pagefault
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Pagefault on 26/06/2007 21:30:46 well, numbers were 250 vs 150. we had some nice lag on the jumpin from the bridge, then again on warpin into the sea of enemies... then just the normal module lag around 1min...everything was fin e  nothing new tbh, not worse than before rev2
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Zarban
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[25]
Signed.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[26]
Edited by: DeadProphet on 26/06/2007 21:30:02 dont log in a bubble :/
i was so lagged i couldn't lock/shoot anyone until most of the fight was over, i had about 5 KMs
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[27]
i want our 4 ships replaced to  *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |

Meja
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[28]
DISBAND DISBAND

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maedden
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[29]
I am glad you enjoyed our service Frederik ...
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[30]
Edited by: Tzrailasa on 26/06/2007 21:31:06 So you think we didn't lag. Lag was horrible!!! Some ships had 5 minute module lag, some didn't load at all.....
However, one small advice for you.... DO NOT LOG WHEN YOU'RE IN A BUBBLE!
You were the ones who brought 250 ships. You KNEW there would be lag galore (you probably counted on it too), and now you're whining as fast as CYVOK would. Seriously, grow some....
My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance. |

StarLite
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[31]
Is "desync" the FOTM? There was lag, lots of lag yeh, no desyncs, I managed to get 1 volly on your carrier but I got truncated off of the killmail :( _______________________________________________________________________
This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c) |

Kalea
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:31:00 -
[32]
2 Accounts cancelled.
Bored with these problems....
Kalea
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Jehuty Vanricadia
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:32:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Jehuty Vanricadia on 26/06/2007 21:32:36 Edited by: Jehuty Vanricadia on 26/06/2007 21:31:36 I am sorry but what do you think happens when you log most of the fleet off because of lag? Lag clears for those still ingame! Learn to love the lag... Thats how everyone else copes with it.
Quote: In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
What a french thing to do.
Oh and at least this time you guys didnt log off, no point wasting your subscriptions logging off when hostiles turn up. Contract your stuff to me please.
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Ciuci
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:32:00 -
[34]
what is lag ? ... there IS NO FRIKING LAG IN EVE ... IT WAS THE SAME FOR THE BOTH SIDES
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Monarch
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:32:00 -
[35]
LOL you were in a dictor bubble
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kalea 2 Accounts cancelled.
Bored with these problems....
Kalea
Contract to Robert Dobbs ingame pls.
We got your FanFest, right here. |

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[37]
Lag was terrible on BoB's side as well, make no mistake about that.
But I must admit, Eve seems laggier than before, and desync probs do seem more frequent.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kalea 2 Accounts cancelled.
Bored with these problems....
Kalea
Good. Only 268 to kill next time. Maybe there will be less lag. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Agmar
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[39]
First: KABLAMMO!
Second: LV didn't get their titan back....
P.S. The doesn't shine on the same dog's ass every day.
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Lady Vlad
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[40]
Amazing what happens when you try to log out while in a bubble and scrammed.
Oh, can I have your stuff?
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[41]
Originally by: frederik
no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes.
Somebody saw me sadly :/ me, myself and I ------> |

Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[42]
I just, well, LOL?
You guys brought 270 guys. You didn't want a fight, you didn't want us to jump in on you, you just wanted a nice little pos killing session.
Unlucky. I spent the first 15, 20 minutes of that fight looking at a sea of red. Not a single friendly showed on my screen.
Then the grid loaded.
I lol'd. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |

wizzard66
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[43]
Why didnt you try not using 250-300 men but the 100-150 men we had.
That would have releived lag.
But meh. Cancel you accounts m8, one less to shoot down
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:33:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kalea 2 Accounts cancelled.
Bored with these problems....
Kalea
If as many people truly cancelled their accounts as it has been said there would be no eve players left.
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Aiolos Caci
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:34:00 -
[45]
You have experienced lag? OMG, that's just unbelievable! Totally unheard of! I'm sure CCP will get right on it!
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Ghost Reaper
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:34:00 -
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we jump in outnumberd 2:1, to no POS, you warp in on our cyno with ur fleet, with carriers. You all die, and lose a carrier and cry about it? What happend to you guys, tcf use to be good pvpers.
On a side note, what happend to all u guys fitting t2, i checked like 3-4 of ur bs cans and found t1 guns :(
Gr
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Naskaya
Elegance Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:34:00 -
[47]
Warping to hostiles, my client freeze. After 10 minutes(!) waiting in front of screen, overview is empty but I start taking damage and my rook gets vaporized. Why so many ennemies can **** my ship while I can see none. I didn't even load the grid.
Very frustating, in the recent days of roaming we hold 50/50 win against bob. Tonight our fleet was annihilated with only 2 or 3 loss in enemy ranks.
Just.. weird.
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MindBender
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:35:00 -
[48]
Ahhh, well I feel you pain... but you have to remember, yes you lagged, but so did we. I wasn't even there the whole fight. Damn, that sucks. But I didn't loose my carrier though. O7 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:35:00 -
[49]
So...the other side didn't lag? Am i missing something? 
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |

Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[50]
ooooh interesting, me ponders if TCF would have had any issues if it had been the other way.
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john roe
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[51]
fred. we had 10 bloody minutes lag in F-T a while ago... and 9-9 cap skirmish wasnt much better, also insane, sick lag of couple of minutes... mate, i went for a cup of tea in 9-9 when i started to lock up first 3-5 dreads... that bad the lag was, realy. in 6t3 you had nothing, believe me.
ps. if you realy will quit, please convo me ingame to pass accounts data and stuff like that :]
adieu
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 26/06/2007 21:35:43 When I used to fight against bob, I used to get lagged.
When I fight with bob, I still get lagged just as much.
However I get on with life rather than complain about it. Put overview details to a minimum, heck, put all settings at minimum, and remove depth buffer. Also, close down all other programs.
In large battles - Assume there will be lag, in the same way a general would assume there may be rain in the battlefield. Make sure you stay calm about it and, perhaps the worst thing you can do is log off mid lag, since thats pretty much a guarentee that you are not going to log back in again.
PS. I missed this battle because of Traffic Lights Lagging me  --
Billion Isk Mission |

wizzard66
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Naskaya Tonight our fleet was annihilated with only 2 or 3 loss in enemy ranks.
Just.. weird.
aaawww, say it.. just say it.. say what you want to say here...
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McDan
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[54]
You were outclassed. The lag is as bad for both sides because the nodes do not pick a side to lag out. You might have done better had you not decided to all logoff whilst in the fight.
McDan
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Wyndwhisper
Caldari Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[55]
there is no lag in fleet fights a GM told me so last time i asked for my ship back so you lot got no chance, But if you do please let the rest of us know as iam sure there will be alot of peeps wanting ships back! LAG WHAT LAG ?
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:36:00 -
[56]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
But seriousley, can I have you stuff?
Dude you brought the lag bomb blob and complain about lag?
go figure
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nickycakes
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:37:00 -
[57]
the french surrendering after one battle? say it ain't so! ---
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joshua cane
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:37:00 -
[58]
Edited by: joshua cane on 26/06/2007 21:39:57 we shooted pos and all tcf bs fleet warped to the jump portal cyno but nothing for all on screen no warp no hostiles ,the screen showed us all on pos but we are all desync 
we don't complain about lag but for desync 
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Ombrae
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:37:00 -
[59]
There was no lag on TCF side.... we didnt see it as we were desnsych (ie : we didnt see anything on client). Most of us launch a warp and get their client stuck on gate and waited death coming or logout....
- BoBo -
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Sivxa
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:41:00 -
[60]
a lil linkage for TCF ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CEO Battlefodder inc Death is only the begining ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |

istolefromyou
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:41:00 -
[61]
Edited by: istolefromyou on 26/06/2007 21:40:31
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Hey You
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:41:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Stelteck Edited by: Stelteck on 26/06/2007 21:27:45 it is a shame that the awesome fight we expected against BOB tonight finish like that by the anihilation of an entire fleet due to technical problems.
No fun for everyone, even for BOB players that certainly do not play eve to shoot at ennemy that do not even see them.
I have a lots of respect to bob players and i know some of them (the members of the BOB french wing of dice). I do not think they want to win like that.
Stelteck
First i like to comment on your expectations of a "Awesome" fight. How is awesome fight 300 v 100? If that is awesome for you then well LOL.
Last night 50 of us jumping to 70 TCF - All logged. Awesome! 
Your whines about Lag after fight was just hilarious. Almost as we didn't have that same Lag. Someone explained in local after fight. Lag is same for all of us. We just know how to handle it better.
From my point of view i was among first people who jumped in. I loaded 8-9 hostile Battleships, and about 15 support with about 15 friendly s right next to me. I managed to lock 1 bs, my guns activated after 1 minute (took 2 mins to get lock) but his shield stayed same. Then for 10 minutes i sited there in middle of bubble, with same targets and friendly s not being able to jump, or to target, or to warp. Then i started taking damage. I went to half armor and then it stooped. Then after 2 more mins my client crashed. Awesome.
Relog fully expecting increase in wallet. Same balance. Wait 20 mins to log in. Log in - Crash. Awesome. Rinse and repeat.
Great job to my alliance mates. Awesome fight guys.
Great lesson in Whining TCF, UNL, Goons. Awesome. I feel educated now.
To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's ******* |

Variable1
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:42:00 -
[63]
Tbh, we all checked clones and insurance before we jumped in, as we knew the lag you guys cause would be bad.
When i eventually warped in, I could see an ass load of bs trailing off the bottome of my overview, and only 3-4 bob. Needless to say I thought I was toast.
However, I aligned as best I could and started calling targets, when others could not, and until others got grid loaded.
It's pants that you seem to have had more lag, as we certainly like targets to shoot back, and is strange considering that we came to you, but I say 'gf. Reload TCF and come back for more.
Var out
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novasux
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:42:00 -
[64]
i also lost a ship due to the same issues recently. if the ships from that fight get reinburst i will be extreamly upset. any time u get those kinds of #s in any system the lag will be back theirs nothing client side we can do about it. deal with it and stop *****ing. every time u people take a lose of any kind all u do is *****. bob lost a titan recently and what did they do they came back and put it to u. thats what u do u win some u loose some. just stop *****ing pick up your gun and fire back. thats it damm.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:43:00 -
[65]
To make things clear : BoB jump in, most allied ship desynch and get rapped at bob blob trying to warp on it, client being at pos while fleet being on enemy fleet server side.
Of course BoB l33t players are convinced that it is all due to their mad skills that they can jump on a fleet twice their size and get a 20 to 1 kill ratio. There was a little hope to see some decent fleet action after the super capital nerf, but it seems the lag problem has just increased in general, and desynch becoming extremely common as soon as you're doing anything involving more than 100 ships.
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Coranor
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:43:00 -
[66]
We all had lag. It took my client at least 5 minutes to figure out that i was'nt in 9-9 anymore after the jump bridge. Then it took another 3 minutes to load any ships in the system. See everyone experiences lag in fights the same way. You just gotta learn to fight through and not to log your thanatos off when you're in a dictor bubble and you're at half armour.
But really i have to ask the most pressing question here.
Can i have your stuff?
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Ma1sk1y
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:43:00 -
[67]
могу и сдесь написать по русски!! БОБы, поделитесь лагогенератором, пусть им все пользуются, а не только Вы!!! это совсем не равноценная игра, и совсем не интересная даже!:( умирать попивая чай на кухне, зная что ты в логоффе, не интересно, и не честно!
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labslots
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:44:00 -
[68]
Signed
15 minutes black screen and jump out.
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NaBeRa
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:44:00 -
[69]
CAKE ??
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:45:00 -
[70]
Seriously guys 
I was there (apparently) Took me 2 Jump bridge attempts to get over, after about 8 mins, when i had changed system i E Warped, i let it load. Tried to warp to the place i was meant to be. I sat in warp for 11 mins, i have the logs. No hostiles ever actually loaded for me, and i never got a single shot off. Im just as annoyed that some ppl loaded with minimal lag, and could actually shoot stuff. I wanted to do that, but it never loaded for me. With a high spec pc, and using ramdrive.
Current RKK Ranking:(AMM15) Ace - 1000+ kills - Need more ranks!
(Fox)targets are lewt,just not yet in can form |

Original Species
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:45:00 -
[71]
lol, you log off in your own bubble making it a crap shoot for BOB then threaten to quit ?
Good, we will have less lag with you gone!
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xHedgEx
Warriors tribe United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:45:00 -
[72]
BoB's you losers in real life :) you are pleased to the stolen victory.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ombrae There was no lag on TCF side.... we didnt see it as we were desnsych (ie : we didnt see anything on client). Most of us launch a warp and get their client stuck on gate and waited death coming or logout....
Thats lag. Just be patient and it will clear.
I guess you could say that lag is the same as rain in Agincourt --
Billion Isk Mission |

DJ Tamora
BoB Radio Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:51:00 -
[74]
OMG I have actually seen it all now...............
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Kerashy
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:51:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 26/06/2007 21:31:06 So you think we didn't lag. Lag was horrible!!! Some ships had 5 minute module lag, some didn't load at all.....
However, one small advice for you.... DO NOT LOG WHEN YOU'RE IN A BUBBLE!
You were the ones who brought 250 ships. You KNEW there would be lag galore (you probably counted on it too), and now you're whining as fast as CYVOK would. Seriously, grow some....
OK let's face it. Look at the killmails timestamps.
Most of you lagged like us for 5mns or around. Then most of U were focusing stuff while most of us were still waiting our warp to start.
10 mn after the cyno jump our client had no info from server exept for a few.
- We till stuck at the POS according to client. - You killing us according to server and obviously you're client.
No honnor, no glory, no reason to smack. Better congrats Bob's lead for his knowledge of game mechanic and keep quite.
Red is beautifull |

Operative 76859
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:52:00 -
[76]
Desynch is the new buzzword. :P |

MEP3ABEC
Caldari Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:52:00 -
[77]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=545076
You survived just becous you maks lags, other side cant shoot you. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Zumzat2/lagodrom1.wmv This is the movie of the fight 2 days before lag in 6t3. Today was the same.
Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit |

Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:52:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Lance Fighter on 26/06/2007 21:53:03 Edited by: Lance Fighter on 26/06/2007 21:52:19 Edited by: Lance Fighter on 26/06/2007 21:51:34 Hmmmm. Last time i was in a large engagement, my client crashed. That was a while ago, granted... but still. I hear all these BoB guys saying "oh lol you logged off and we pwn you cause you were in a bubble". But.. in reality, it is TOTALLY POSSIBLE that the TCF guys simply crashed, whatever...
oh, and some comic relief
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Perpello
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:52:00 -
[79]
lol
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:53:00 -
[80]
What causes Desync ?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:53:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Kryztal ooooh interesting, me ponders if TCF would have had any issues if it had been the other way.
We'd have been for the most part sympathetic with you, aknowledged that the lag was bad, and congratulated you for bringing it while outnumbered, whether you lost or won.
Sadly, it seems that most in Bob are more interested in childish, pathetic "can i have your stuff" snipes than sportmanship, or actually discussing the server's state...
------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |

Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:54:00 -
[82]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
Can I get yer stuff? Is yer whole alliance quitting too? Can I get their stuff too?
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Lord Drax
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:55:00 -
[83]
It amazes me that the fleet with double the numbers with an enemy that jumps them can complain about lag tbh.
Cry more. -----------------------------------------
Back in Eve at last. |

Kalea
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:55:00 -
[84]
Done. Cya on another mmo without dev and gm on ur side....
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Silmerias
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:55:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Silmerias on 26/06/2007 21:56:41
Originally by: Shadowsword We'd have been for the most part sympathetic with you, aknowledged that the lag was bad, and congratulated you for bringing it while outnumbered, whether you lost or won.
Sadly, it seems that most in Bob are more interested in childish, pathetic "can i have your stuff" snipes than sportmanship, or actually discussing the server's state...
+1 it's so pathetic... /Signed for Frederik post. --- Silmerias Tau Ceti Federation
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:57:00 -
[86]
WoW... did EVERY member of BOB come here to add insult to injury and smack/troll about a victory they didnt even REALLY win? Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:57:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Elmicker on 26/06/2007 21:57:36
Originally by: MEP3ABEC http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=545076
You survived just becous you maks lags, other side cant shoot you. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Zumzat2/lagodrom1.wmv This is the movie of the fight 2 days before lag in 6t3. Today was the same.
CCP just hates you for your naming of my station after yourself .
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Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:58:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Stelteck on 26/06/2007 21:57:58 More important than victory or defeat for an alliance or another, the most important is the success of the game we all love.
It is something that no eve player shall forget.
There is obviously a problem with these king of fleet battles. I hope that CCP will make an official comment about it.
Stelteck.
Tau ceti FEDERATION Section XIII "Brakes are for cowards" |

HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:58:00 -
[89]
I was told that people are giving their stuff away in this thread... If this is true, can you escrow me some too?

>>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<< |

DJ Tamora
BoB Radio Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:58:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Richard Aiel WoW... did EVERY member of BOB come here to add insult to injury and smack/troll about a victory they didnt even REALLY win?
nah just to laugh at the OMG lag. We didnt jump a bajillion ships in ;) haha
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:58:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Kalea 2 Accounts cancelled.
Bored with these problems....
Kalea
When you set the contract to me for your stuff please make sure you drop me a mail with the link.
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Arckaon
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:59:00 -
[92]
battle fleet BOB : LAG 3 min button TCF+GOON+RA+UNL : LAG 3 min + desynchro (desynch after jump portal)
if any bob doesn't understand this thing maybe you can go to school , learn and learn more thing :)
and stop the "french blabla"
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:59:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Amerame on 26/06/2007 21:58:02 Pretty sad to see that there is not a single BoB player that is unhappy about this, is the only thing that matter to you is getting a cheap and insignificant victory in a no name and unimportant system? You killed 20 BS 1 carrier, go you. The losses are insignificant, the implication on alliance warfare are not. More than ever the fleet that is going to win will depend on who exploit the most the lag, FC will make decision only based on "How will I make the enemy fleet to lag out?".
Unfortunately the lag seems to be increasingly asymetrical, due to the desynch, it was already more or less known that the people that recently entered the system had less lag that have been in for a longer time, that people already in grid have a lot less lag than people warping in grid and so on... FC are increasingly basing their command NOT on game mechanisms themselves, but on "how to get the most of the lag?".
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Lord Drax
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:00:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kalea Done. Cya on another mmo without dev and gm on ur side....
Ah the last resort of all whiners - we cant beat you, so you must be cheats.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out. -----------------------------------------
Back in Eve at last. |

Sergey Ivanov
United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:00:00 -
[95]
Hi,
We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss. This does not mean that we doubt your description of events in any way but I'm afraid it keeps our hands tied in regards to reimbursement. Our reimbursement policies are very strict and we can only reimburse if we are able to verify that a bug or server error caused the loss. We hope that you understand our position and that you will recover swiftly from the loss.
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Cheveu
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:00:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Cheveu on 26/06/2007 21:59:22
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Chveu
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:01:00 -
[97]
Shadow what else can we do to be more "fairplay" or "sportsmen" than jumping on your fleet while outnumbered ?
Now with this thread all you are going to do is to loose the last piece of respect that eve community had for you.
Yesterday delog while outnumbering us, today engaging loosing and whining on the forum. You are definatly pathetic... [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL] |

Dr Smythe
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:01:00 -
[98]
Oh my...... This isn't the same dysnc you had last nite with your 160 fleet ran from 80+ fleet and all logged out/CTD'd/dysnc'd in 7L9? Cos you are right if you are suffering from this kind of dysnc you are better just cancelling your accounts
Ciao
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:01:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 26/06/2007 21:58:02 Pretty sad to see that there is not a single BoB player that is unhappy about this, is the only thing that matter to you is getting a cheap and insignificant victory in a no name and unimportant system? You killed 20 BS 1 carrier, go you. The losses are insignificant, the implication on alliance warfare are not. More than ever the fleet that is going to win will depend on who exploit the most the lag, FC will make decision only based on "How will I make the enemy fleet to lag out?".
Unfortunately the lag seems to be increasingly asymetrical, due to the desynch, it was already more or less known that the people that recently entered the system had less lag that have been in for a longer time, that people already in grid have a lot less lag than people warping in grid and so on... FC are increasingly basing their command NOT on game mechanisms themselves, but on "how to get the most of the lag?".
you are getting insulted becus your leaders are crying about quitting the game. And about the fact that with these amounts of players, you should EXPECT nothing less then a total system lockdown, and prepare for it. *snip* Signature unsuitable for forums. Please refrain from refering to ongoing investigations in your signature - Valorem |

Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:01:00 -
[100]
Originally by: N'olive Some delogged to try to relog...
THIS is where you failed!!!!!
Originally by: N'olive TCF/UNL were 270, and ended 60, and it was NOT 210 logofskies.
Hey, you just said people WERE logging???? 
My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance. |

Jonaswpl
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:02:00 -
[101]
Karma Police
"I'll tell you why the frack you didn't get EVE Voice; because TS/Vent is free."
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Zerg Defiler
Caldari Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:02:00 -
[102]
О_о they still use that lagg-generator ? I thought, after loss titan, they will not use any more the lag-generator... hmm CCP cant disable this bob-exploit ?
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:02:00 -
[103]
Take your annoying chest-beating and whining to COAD plzkthx.
/Ki
Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |

wizzard66
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:02:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Amerame More than ever the fleet that is going to win will depend on who exploit the most the lag, FC will make decision only based on "How will I make the enemy fleet to lag out?".
exploits?? us???
Nevah !
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Pookeh
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:03:00 -
[105]
Let me lick your salty salty tears
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NaBeRa
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:04:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Richard Aiel WoW... did EVERY member of BOB come here to add insult to injury and smack/troll about a victory they didnt even REALLY win?
mhhh ... let me think ... YES
CAKE ?
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:05:00 -
[107]
We were desynched also. Targets were being called that were 2 million km away.
You just failed miserably, there's nothing more to say.
We got your FanFest, right here. |

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:05:00 -
[108]
Winning by lag is not BoB's fault, but it certainly isn't anything to be proud of. It's just winning on a coin toss.
BoB smacking someone who had their ship destroyed while their client still showed a friendly happy POS tower = minus several 100 cool points.
And last time I checked, CCP DID reimburse for server-side lag related loss (at least when it's a mission runner they do). Not that they would for a fleet battle like this for fear of a whine fest, but none the less. --------
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[109]
Only BoB could think they could jump 100 people into 250 people and only lose 4 ships in a legitimate fight 
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Amerame To make things clear : BoB jump in, most allied ship desynch and get rapped at bob blob trying to warp on it, client being at pos while fleet being on enemy fleet server side.
Of course BoB l33t players are convinced that it is all due to their mad skills that they can jump on a fleet twice their size and get a 20 to 1 kill ratio. There was a little hope to see some decent fleet action after the super capital nerf, but it seems the lag problem has just increased in general, and desynch becoming extremely common as soon as you're doing anything involving more than 100 ships.
Wow, they jumped into a fleet twice their size and got a 20:1 kill ratio? That is VERY impressive. Not only are you gonna accuse bob of "hacking the lag", but also of spawning extra frenchies to shoot at.
WTB: Spawn TCF pilot button for my overview WTS: 1 Thanatos, never actually used in combat, may have been logged off in.
Also, you guys are making the critical mistake of not using the super bob no lag client:
Download it here: http://www.bobclient.eve.net Make sure you pass the page the top secret querrey from the bob forums. You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
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omni eye
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[111]
LAG? I could not even see anything at all. You can cancel your account right away because CCP will not even lift a finger for you. When the big lagfest was in JV1V when I was in LV protecting it. CCP did not even bother doing anything about it. Why should they now?
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Vyxx
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[112]
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 26/06/2007 22:05:32
Originally by: Scavok Only BoB could think they could jump 100 people into 250 people and only lose 4 ships in a legitimate fight 
...
You must be new to goonswarm, and haven't actually fought us before.
We got your FanFest, right here. |

Ion Angel
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:07:00 -
[114]
What was that noise? ohh .... bob said something. Please get rid us of your comments. We don't wanna hear words from cheaters cause they worth nothing. I know you can say about anything... Even about sabre BPO and outher things you got by cheats etc... So anyone don't care eabout your opinion. Go and celebraty your victory... Karma will get you in RL.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:07:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Chveu Shadow what else can we do to be more "fairplay" or "sportsmen" than jumping on your fleet while outnumbered ?
Now with this thread all you are going to do is to loose the last piece of respect that eve community had for you.
Yesterday delog while outnumbering us, today engaging loosing and whining on the forum. You are definatly pathetic...
I was refering to bob answers here, not the fact that you jumped in.
Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |

Chveu
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:09:00 -
[116]
After what you did in game and on the forum yesterday and today i don't think you deserve respect anymore, sorry...
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:09:00 -
[117]
Few selected TCF quotes about successful logoffsky yesterday when they decided not to engage even numbers.
Originally by: Lasakywa We were waiting for the bob gang but they didn't come, they turned back to 9-9.
Originally by: Khayman33 Don't complain about not engaging , just few hour ago (less than 3hours ) , you don't come defend the system of your ally , you come few jump away and return in 9-9.If you had come, it could there have a battle.
The only question remains: How would fight go without lag. You will have to reduce gang or... fight in lag.
Your choice. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:09:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Shadowsword Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
Dude.
Your alliance leader just cried over his carrier loss, publicly, on the forums.
In a fight where both sides were desynched and lagged.
Look at what you just said and re-think.
We got your FanFest, right here. |

THX22 RAGE
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:10:00 -
[119]
WoW, wounderful.... ok so many BoB happy with this. Nobody win here, we all loose here.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Timmeh ([email protected]) |

Hydragyre
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:10:00 -
[120]
Hey smile, it's just a game. :)
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Samuel Freedom What causes Desync ?
It's caused by De Servers not being able to keep up with all De Ships. Mon. 
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Lasakywa
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Lasakywa on 26/06/2007 22:10:39
Originally by: THX22 RAGE WoW, wounderful.... ok so many BoB happy with this. Nobody win here, we all loose here.
No they win a PvE fight, they are happy  
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Pookeh
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Chveu Shadow what else can we do to be more "fairplay" or "sportsmen" than jumping on your fleet while outnumbered ?
Now with this thread all you are going to do is to loose the last piece of respect that eve community had for you.
Yesterday delog while outnumbering us, today engaging loosing and whining on the forum. You are definatly pathetic...
I was refering to bob answers here, not the fact that you jumped in.
Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
Please tell me you alliance m8 isn't getting what he deserved for posting this **** and threatening to quit over lag?
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 -
[124]
Differnce between bob and other.
we still call targets when we are lagged..
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |

Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:11:00 -
[125]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
You had a 300man gang, and you WEREN'T expecting lag?

Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
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Nick119
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:12:00 -
[126]
Remember BoB=ccp alts so remember dont attack them lolz
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:12:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Scavok on 26/06/2007 22:10:51
Originally by: Robert Dobbs Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 26/06/2007 22:05:32
Originally by: Scavok Only BoB could think they could jump 100 people into 250 people and only lose 4 ships in a legitimate fight 
...
You must be new to goonswarm, and haven't actually fought us before.
Yeah, silly me. 
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Silvero
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:14:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Silvero on 26/06/2007 22:13:53
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Chveu Shadow what else can we do to be more "fairplay" or "sportsmen" than jumping on your fleet while outnumbered ?
Now with this thread all you are going to do is to loose the last piece of respect that eve community had for you.
Yesterday delog while outnumbering us, today engaging loosing and whining on the forum. You are definatly pathetic...
I was refering to bob answers here, not the fact that you jumped in.
Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
Shadowsword do you feel you have earned to be treated with any respect at all, considering the stunt you pulled last night. Thats the reason i felt great enjoyment in the participation of this slaughter even doh i didnt get a shoot of in the main fight.
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RichThugster
Gallente Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:14:00 -
[129]
Terror Alert Be aware that the TCF government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from 'Run' to 'Hide'. The only two higher levels in TCF are 'Surrender' and 'Collaborate'. The rise was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed TCF's white flag factory, effectively paralysing their military.
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August Personage
Caldari Clarf Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:14:00 -
[130]
looks like RA have sold the "lag generator" to BoB, also known in its other forms as "knowing how to deal with latency issues when they invevitably occur", and "having decent FCs".
whining about it doesn't help. if it did, LV would still be alive. so just get over it and move on, all you're doing here is embarrassing your alliance
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:14:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
You had a 300man gang, and you WEREN'T expecting lag?

It wasn't lag, it was desynchs and lockups. Anyone who warped to the cyno after you jump bridged never showed up on grid on their client.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:14:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Arckaon battle fleet BOB : LAG 3 min button TCF+GOON+RA+UNL : LAG 3 min + desynchro (desynch after jump portal)
if any bob doesn't understand this thing maybe you can go to school , learn and learn more thing :)
and stop the "french blabla"
If you were in the epic battle of F-T and the capship battle of 9-9, then you can make comments about lag. I was in both these battles, spend 80% of the time waiting for grids to load etc (which you call "desynch"). I do not complain, I just get on with it. In eve, lag is the "terrain" and you need to take account of it and expect to work with it.
At least Abaddon pilots dont have to worry to much about cap recharging in lag though  --
Billion Isk Mission |

Kerashy
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:15:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Chveu After what you did in game and on the forum yesterday and today i don't think you deserve respect anymore, sorry...
Get a life. maybe u could get enlighted about some delog.
Red is beautifull |

Adamantium Beams
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:15:00 -
[134]
Its not about the losses its about the empty overview 
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petiah borodine
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:15:00 -
[135]
problem is not to win or to loose (i dont care)the problem is when you logg in, if you cant see anything moving in 5 min you can also fix a screenshot all night long :you will have the same pleasure and not have to pay for a game
is this really eve ?
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Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:16:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Stelteck on 26/06/2007 22:15:02
Originally by: ponieus Differnce between bob and other.
we still call targets when we are lagged..
To call target you have to see them.
Please contact the spies you have in TCF they will told you what really happened on our side.
Then you will agree with us if you are an honest player.
Stelteck. Tau ceti FEDERATION Section XIII "Brakes are for cowards" |

Disteeler
Moritso Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:16:00 -
[137]
Sadly in fleet battles it's about who knows how to manage the lag. Sorry for the loses and lolzk at all BoB chickens posting like in extasy or something.
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BlackRain
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:16:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Shadowsword
I was refering to bob answers here, not the fact that you jumped in.
Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
You get exactly what you ask for.
I don't think a single pilot in our fleet both needs or wants respect from people who after one lost fight threaten to quit and then proceed to call us "real life losers" and cheaters who are getting help from GMs and devs. With an attitude like that, I can only wonder how you've managed to wiggle your way into the 0.0 powerplay. By all logic you should've lost, broken up and quit ages ago already.
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Lord Drax
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:17:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Lord Drax on 26/06/2007 22:15:44 at the end of the day excuses are like ass holes, everybody's got one.
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Bea Rage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:17:00 -
[140]
Originally by: ponieus Differnce between bob and other.
we still call targets when we are lagged..
No we have real life so no big deal to quit....
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Variable1
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:17:00 -
[141]
Actually, if you look at the first 15 minutes of battle, there were hardly any BOB shooting. Only after that did we start to load targets and modules.
We did not generate lag, but we have T2, skill and a bit of luck. You used Blob, T1, not great skill, and had bad luck.
Comeon, pick yourselves up, you might get the good luck next time.
I agree with the fact that Fleet Fights are pretty much the suck in Eve atm though. I don't really see it ever getting fixed properly :'(
Var out
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:17:00 -
[142]
None of us were happy with the lag. I wasnt happy that i spent around 2 hrs in total of my night on this. By the time fleet was assembled, jumped etc. Id rather of done some pvp where i loaded.
If the shoe was on the other foot, would u guys have not shot us? Didnt think so, so get of ur holier than thou pedistal and face facts. Some of us loaded, those that did shot stuff. Shock horror.
I dont think ull find anyone who thought omg i havent loaded yet, ill relog. Were not that stupid. I KNOW that if i relog im screwed, so we wait out the lag. If ur sticking to the theory of BoB have a lag generator that doesnt affect us. Id like to know about it, as im BoB, and i was lagged WTF guys...i thought we were friends.
If u dont want lag, dotn blob up with 250 man + gangs, in a 'unimportant' system no less. Just think, if u bought a 100, wed only of had to bring 50  Ur the ones that came running to the forums, not us. If u were actually gonna quit, u wuldnt be here whining about it. Ud have quit already. Fact is none of u will quit over this, as deep down u all know that this is eve, and this happens. Its just easier to blame us for cheating and being lame
Current RKK Ranking:(AMM15) Ace - 1000+ kills - Need more ranks!
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Flatliner
Evolution
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:17:00 -
[143]
I see dead people 
Hahahahahaha. Stroke them corpses ya hear meh!
Flatliner.
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Bea Rage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:18:00 -
[144]
Originally by: BlackRain
Originally by: Shadowsword
I was refering to bob answers here, not the fact that you jumped in.
Look at the answers of 95% of your alliance mates here and tell me it deserve respect.
You get exactly what you ask for.
I don't think a single pilot in our fleet both needs or wants respect from people who after one lost fight threaten to quit and then proceed to call us "real life losers" and cheaters who are getting help from GMs and devs. With an attitude like that, I can only wonder how you've managed to wiggle your way into the 0.0 powerplay. By all logic you should've lost, broken up and quit ages ago already.
You see you are answering yourself to your own question... no need to explain if you fail to see what i mean...
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:18:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Arckaon battle fleet BOB : LAG 3 min button TCF+GOON+RA+UNL : LAG 3 min + desynchro (desynch after jump portal)
if any bob doesn't understand this thing maybe you can go to school , learn and learn more thing :)
and stop the "french blabla"
If you were in the epic battle of F-T and the capship battle of 9-9, then you can make comments about lag. I was in both these battles, spend 80% of the time waiting for grids to load etc (which you call "desynch"). I do not complain, I just get on with it. In eve, lag is the "terrain" and you need to take account of it and expect to work with it.
At least Abaddon pilots dont have to worry to much about cap recharging in lag though 
Grid loading is not being used synonymously with "desynch." People who warped to the cyno from the POS or gate were still at the POS or gate while their ships were blown up. This is why people logged in a bubble, and they couldn't get back in likely because of normal lag.
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Agmar
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:19:00 -
[146]
So... TCF.... you got my money?
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Chveu
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:20:00 -
[147]
What's wrong Kerashy ? Personnal attack now ? Plz keep it coming, i love that... Hell i need more pop corn
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:21:00 -
[148]
Edited by: Zothike on 26/06/2007 22:20:39 that remember me during the ASCN/BoB war when in big battle node crash were happening and only BoB's were able to Log back and then killing little by little thoses of ASCN that achieve after 10 minutes of continuous try to log back, curious this ability....
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:21:00 -
[149]
T2 Lagbomb: Warning may backfire on usage.
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:22:00 -
[150]
If there where so many ppl desynced why where pretty much all your BS aligned? --
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Alupigus1
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:23:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 26/06/2007 21:58:02 Pretty sad to see that there is not a single BoB player that is unhappy about this, is the only thing that matter to you is getting a cheap and insignificant victory in a no name and unimportant system? You killed 20 BS 1 carrier, go you. The losses are insignificant, the implication on alliance warfare are not. More than ever the fleet that is going to win will depend on who exploit the most the lag, FC will make decision only based on "How will I make the enemy fleet to lag out?".
Unfortunately the lag seems to be increasingly asymetrical, due to the desynch, it was already more or less known that the people that recently entered the system had less lag that have been in for a longer time, that people already in grid have a lot less lag than people warping in grid and so on... FC are increasingly basing their command NOT on game mechanisms themselves, but on "how to get the most of the lag?".
My friend, when you killed LV baby titan you and your mates brought incredible numbers. you crashed SEVEN NODES. you're looking for simpaty and understanding? jesus..
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:23:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Scavok on 26/06/2007 22:22:18
Originally by: gfldex If there where so many ppl desynced why where pretty much all your BS aligned?
Answer this honestly (lol yeah right): How many BS did you see aligned compared to our numbers in local?
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:23:00 -
[153]
@OP No point in threatening to quit as nobody really cares anyway 
Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 26/06/2007 21:58:02 Pretty sad to see that there is not a single BoB player that is unhappy about this, is the only thing that matter to you is getting a cheap and insignificant victory in a no name and unimportant system? You killed 20 BS 1 carrier, go you. The losses are insignificant, the implication on alliance warfare are not. More than ever the fleet that is going to win will depend on who exploit the most the lag, FC will make decision only based on "How will I make the enemy fleet to lag out?".
Unfortunately the lag seems to be increasingly asymetrical, due to the desynch, it was already more or less known that the people that recently entered the system had less lag that have been in for a longer time, that people already in grid have a lot less lag than people warping in grid and so on... FC are increasingly basing their command NOT on game mechanisms themselves, but on "how to get the most of the lag?".
This is the most sensible post and if true it sucks that people are planing there strategy on how to use the lag to garner a win but this must be expected I suppose and I am pretty sure it is not just limited to BoB members that use tactics like this. Here CCP are to blame as it is the actions that have ultimately lead to this situation concerning lag, dyscn w/e.
What I do find a strange phenomenon is the samness of the close mindedness rhetoric spewed forward by the Band Of Brothers members you truly do seem like clones 
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:24:00 -
[154]
Seems like we upgraded our lag generators to desync generators :)
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TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:24:00 -
[155]
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account . |

Duke Giz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:24:00 -
[156]
GMs why you kill game?
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Hellraiza666
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:30:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Scavok
Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
You had a 300man gang, and you WEREN'T expecting lag?

It wasn't lag, it was desynchs and lockups. Anyone who warped to the cyno after you jump bridged never showed up on grid on their client.
o im sorry, and you think the BoB gang didnt experience any lag either?
riight 
Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:30:00 -
[158]
Seriously, bringing 250 people to a fight and then whining to this degree about laggy conditions is the most pathetic thing on this forum for a LONG time......
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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cOnDoRUS
Warriors tribe United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:31:00 -
[159]
Edited by: cOnDoRUS on 26/06/2007 22:30:41 +1 to Author Thanks BoDs for excellent LAGs.. Pleasantly that me have not killed, but to see as dies enemy Arazu more than 15 minutes and to hear from those lucky people who though which as can see that occurs not so well. I not the whiner as can write BoDs.. I the realist also am not measured to waste time on game which is not fair. Stopscreen on 15 + minutes (has made ctrl+Q further) will agree very "fair" penalty of a mean coalition.. At working chats and almost full absence lags before opening cyno
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Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:32:00 -
[160]
'Dont shoot i'm lagged!11!1!11...1!'
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Iced Casing
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:34:00 -
[161]
Heh all i see in this thread is some people ... most of them under 15 that keep askin "can i get your stuff" that dont realize that their main issue is not "trying to limit gangs so lagg wont occur ... the main problem here is CCP ... they bragged about sustaining 1000 man battles ... BS! but hey ... what can i say its good when they see that noone is blaming them ... always blaming the winning side of a fight from lag ... NOT THE OTHER SIDE IS TO BE BLAMED !! CCP is .. and its lame excuses of ... "Zomg the next patch will improve the need for speed issue ... " Why do we have to tune our overview settings down just to get into jita ? ... when they brag about their greatest mmorpg which can withstand the 1000 players battle ... BS ! your spineless servers cant hold 200 users battles ... but you hide behind false statements and prey that more people will subscribe to your LAG FEST ! ...
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:34:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Zothike Edited by: Zothike on 26/06/2007 22:20:39 that remember me during the ASCN/BoB war when in big battle node crash were happening and only BoB's were able to Log back and then killing little by little thoses of ASCN that achieve after 10 minutes of continuous try to log back, curious this ability....
Yeah, Charles VI, King of France asked his troops the same question after outnumbering and yet loosing his men to King Henry V, taking on massive casulties due to lag... I mean rain.
You have the answer to your question in your own statement... That bit about log back. If I wait in a queue in a supermarket, and the queue is long, do you expect that leaving the checkout and coming back is going to put you at the front or the end of the queue? --
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Agmar
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:37:00 -
[163]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
Originally by: SirMolle Longest ever ship to live.... and its gone.
So long Darwins Contraption, you really started to smell.
1 down, 6 to go. lets get it on.
2007.06.22 06:48
Victim: Shrike Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Evolution Destroyed: Avatar System: 46DP-O Security: 0.0
Longer story on the how later on, right now i need a cup of coffee. It was lost as it was flown, in battle, with huge numbers, and as such, rests comfortably at the 9-98 gate inside 46dp.
draw your own conclusions....
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Neoromi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:37:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Zothike Edited by: Zothike on 26/06/2007 22:20:39 that remember me during the ASCN/BoB war when in big battle node crash were happening and only BoB's were able to Log back and then killing little by little thoses of ASCN that achieve after 10 minutes of continuous try to log back, curious this ability....
Yeah, Charles VI, King of France asked his troops the same question after outnumbering and yet loosing his men to King Henry V, taking on massive casulties due to lag... I mean rain.
You have the answer to your question in your own statement... That bit about log back. If I wait in a queue in a supermarket, and the queue is long, do you expect that leaving the checkout and coming back is going to put you at the front or the end of the queue?
FRONT! wait.. middle?
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Lori Carlyle
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:38:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Lori Carlyle on 26/06/2007 22:36:48 Shame i'm no longer BoB..
I'd love to smack this thread... ----------------- V8I
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cOnDoRUS
Warriors tribe United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:38:00 -
[166]
You BoDs had lags, but insignificant.. Not noticeably that at 3/4 yours gang was stopscreen as at us. Therefore those at whom stopscreen had to press ctrl+Q, and to you easy to shoot in the majority NOT DEPARTED in Warp ships.. Not testing practically any Lags. I wanna sleep, so gBoD night.
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Xeliya
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:39:00 -
[167]
Edited by: Xeliya on 26/06/2007 22:39:23
Originally by: frederik In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
This just made my day 
Did Chow quit when LV lost the Titan because of lag? No! Did he cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! BoB couldn't get dictors off Shrike because 90% of their support got De-synced, did they cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! Did DBP cry when he lost his Aeon to De-sync? No!
Every fight with 300+ pilots you go into you know there WILL BE LAG.
Take the lose like a man and go back out on the field.
Sorry just so sick of seeing people crying that the lag made them lose and they will quit if CCP doesn't return their ships.
Everyone gets the lag, it's who ever can deal with it better wins.
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Zakalwe
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:40:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Zakalwe on 26/06/2007 22:40:27
Originally by: frederik
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: frederik
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Promise? 
promise .
Well, I was there. Just before jumping, all were warned that we are all lose our ships. We jumped. 5 minutes lag for jumping in the middle of nowhere, get to a moon, activate the cloaker on my zealot, try to desactivate it to warp point, warp cloaked, see all the battle unable to uncloak. CTD, then relog, warp to TCF wrecks, then ask for gang.
Hmmm... Fred... pls, we are not in France... Here, nobody care of your accounts...Threats don't work...
Err, can i have your stuff ?
Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:42:00 -
[169]
I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a system locked down, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I looked around. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, over the whole system. Smelled like... victory.
Someday this war's gonna end...
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cBuHoIIac
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:42:00 -
[170]
/signed
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Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:42:00 -
[171]
Edited by: Itzena on 26/06/2007 22:42:37 Edit: Actually, you know what? Forget it. Enjoy your victory.
Edit2: CCP can't even stop the forums lagging! 
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:43:00 -
[172]
At least you didn't go lose a titan like a noob.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:44:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: Agmar draw your own conclusions....
BoB lost a Titan, TCF didn't?
One took and Punch and Stood back up.
The Other took his toys home and told mummy... --
Billion Isk Mission |

Evengard
Solar Dragons Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:45:00 -
[174]
Small RA gang was stuck in jump 1 system from 6T3... Took 15 minutes to load.
Abit later we engaged RMF gang on the way back home, but in the middle of battle, as BOB lag-squad started to jump in this system, it was de-sincd...
I was flying around gates for 10 minutes more at lag. Bobbibt left - lag dissapeared...
Arn't this abit strange?? ___________________ Recon and Intercept |

Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:45:00 -
[175]
CCP is fooling around with us custumer
All ccp should get is a trial for " lying advertissing"
More over it is still as strange that when it's a BOB fleet attaking coallition or other ennemie system can support up to 700 personne and have no node crash. Strange isn't it.
I don't know maybe BoB has found a leak in ccp script for eve that can be used by bob and unknown by other
I'm shure Molle and his boyz are having fun laughing by know. well laught of your cowardus action and technics.
BoB will be remerber in Eve history for lost of things fear ... but shurly not for good maner, fairplay and non-cheating/non script leak using.
I'm shure lot's of BoB pilot are honest player but your lead clearly are not, even maybe having fun using leaks to _ _ _ _ the world and feel proud : clap clap juste continue
Shame on CCP and Sham on BoB.
All you deserve is all nasty things i can think and shure this is not enough.
i'm shure tread will be lock as fast as lightspeed and censured to
PS: CCP please understand that you need to give back it's playabilitT to the game cause actual situation I taking down the game , lag issue, strange lag issue is pessing of too many personne. I really hope you will react fast
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:45:00 -
[176]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
as said in the past BoB is made up of CCP devs and alike.. this is a clear indication of their unfair rule over eve.. 1 vs 100 style combat where the 1 wins due to "aparent server issues".. simple answer is dont fight bob.. you will NEVER win.. because it is their game not ours.
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TWD
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:46:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Evengard Small RA gang was stuck in jump 1 system from 6T3... Took 15 minutes to load.
Abit later we engaged RMF gang on the way back home, but in the middle of battle, as BOB lag-squad started to jump in this system, it was de-sincd...
I was flying around gates for 10 minutes more at lag. Bobbibt left - lag dissapeared...
Arn't this abit strange??
I suspect there is some serious bob dev hax going on there. |

laotse
Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 -
[178]
good to see bob still have the forum smack skil at lvl 5   http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes |

Lori Carlyle
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Lori Carlyle on 26/06/2007 22:48:58
Originally by: Wendat Huron At least you didn't go lose a titan like a noob.
At least they never posted "WWWAAAAAAAA I'm quitting threads after the event" 
They took the death of there titan with respect.
This thread shows how you take it over something smaller.... GOD help you if you lose a Titan. ----------------- V8I
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Patch86 on 26/06/2007 22:46:38
Originally by: Agmar
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
Originally by: SirMolle Longest ever ship to live.... and its gone.
So long Darwins Contraption, you really started to smell.
1 down, 6 to go. lets get it on.
2007.06.22 06:48
Victim: Shrike Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Evolution Destroyed: Avatar System: 46DP-O Security: 0.0
Longer story on the how later on, right now i need a cup of coffee. It was lost as it was flown, in battle, with huge numbers, and as such, rests comfortably at the 9-98 gate inside 46dp.
draw your own conclusions....
To be fair, 200 fleet ships probably comes to more isk than a single titan. Probably. And from what I gather, the titan was killed in a relatively lag-free straight up and fair battle, in which the pilot could have save the ship if only he'd piloted it better. These 200 ships appear to have been lost by pilots who couldn't even see them.
Still, threatening to cancel accounts is not cool. --------
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 -
[181]
Client dysynch has been occuring all day long for me , even when goonies spammed pos in 9-9 and we had a little tussle i got dysnched twice.
It took me 10 minutes to bridge to 6T3 due to traffic control . System started to load slowly to show 350 ppl in local and rising . i slowly try to algin my mega but nothing happens , ppl are still either jumping or lagging , meanwhiel the tcf fleet has already warped to our cyno. At that time i wasnt sure if i was dead or warping or algined , apparently ppl had started slowly shooting each other and all of a sudden i manage to warp to the sun , startign to algin back and targets are beign called out , 5 more minutes b4 grid loads up and 3 minutes module lag between ever target . It took me like 20 minutes to shoot my first target sicne i clicked jump on the titan.
What tcf fail to realsie is that our gang was 140 and local was 382 in the middle of the fight and by the time their bs started to drop many of them logged off and several of them had normal lag liek us sicne many of their close rnage bs started to move towards us and get melted , spechialy goonies. Even our target callers were lagged and had to cycle and not to mention crappy t1 guns on most tcf bs setups .
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:48:00 -
[182]
Bye bye.
EVE-O Forums Rules summary: If the thought of doing something makes me giggle for more then 15 seconds, I am to assume I'm not allowed to do it. |

shortspecialbus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:50:00 -
[183]
Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
As far as the lag went, I wouldn't even call it lag. I was at the POS, and when ordered to, warped off to the cyno. However, the ship never entered warp for 1/4 hour. It just sat at the POS with a number of the TCF guys who also never moved. I'm guessing the server read my client as doing *something* because I'm still in the system, but I was nowhere near the POS or where I *think* the battle was or anything like that. I'm in the middle of nothing.
So, it's not like it was lag that could be waited out. It was a complete desync. I tried relogging and was never able to log back in. Now, I didn't end up dying, but it was a bit silly.
Honestly, I doubt the TCF guys were logging off in droves, be it in a bubble or not. Everybody tried to warp to the cyno, only a few made it it on the client end it seems. Are bob really that much better at PVP that they only lose 1 ship for every 20 killed? We were calling primaries on TS as well, but very few people had a client around to shoot them. My client was off doing god knows what, since I somehow lived and ended up in the middle of nowhere.
I'd like to see both sides reimbursed for all losses. The killboards are rather telling that it wasn't a reasonable fight at all.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 -
[184]
Having some lag is one thing, being complete out of sync is something different.
But as it seems BoB can only win these days when the enemy experience heavy desync and cannot fight back. When they enemy can fight back they suffer badly as seen recently against RA and Goons.
And then they call themselves the elite pvp and smack like *** here, funny, shows really their quality.
Having such major single sided lag is a serious obstacle in Eve and must get adressed. With the cyno jammers the blobs will only become much bigger. Then I want to see what the clever bob people say when the goons jump-in several 250+ fleets and lag-kill bob this way. If they are still cheerful then and smack around and tell everyone to shut up? Or will they then admit that something is not working properly I wonder. When they lose their next titan and this time because of lag, will they then still be happy and say that all is wonderful? Somehow I doubt this.
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Zerg Defiler
Caldari Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Zerg Defiler on 26/06/2007 22:52:19 its not "Revelation II battle", they use lag-generator, since Red Moon Rising
Interestingly, they have fun to shoot on the motionless purposes ?
Finaly, when ccp will start for work at last? We all give them money, and they do nothing.
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Kyunden Galard
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 -
[186]
Originally by: TWD In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Imo the only thing worse than the OP is the sheer number of amazingly unfunny BoB replies such as the above :/ ------------------------------- Soaring where angels fear to fly |

Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 -
[187]
WTS my thanatos, mail me for info. 
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:53:00 -
[188]
this is why eve fails as a game.. they want HUGE fleet warefare of titanic proportions.. with titans flying around in fleets supporting and destroying but when the server cant even handle a titan sized fleet it makes playing the game quite pointless in that respect.. and due to this i have cancled an account.
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imPerfect
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:54:00 -
[189]
Originally by: frederik
Fleet battle in Revelation 2
Tonight we had a "fleet battle" in 6T3. About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us. Result ? Our fleet annihilated, no one could see nor activate any gun, for some reason enemy fleet was able to shoot 10 ship a minutes. We are asking for every single ship destroyed in 6T3 tonight to be fully reimbursed.
Revelation lag in fleet battle has proven to be just as bad if not worse than pre revelation 2 lag, lost synch problem have increased. The end of the Titan era has brought people back into fight, to hit once again the lag wall.
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader .
signed also have freeze screen
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:55:00 -
[190]
Smacking other eve players because who experienced lag/desynch just because you experienced something similar in the past is pretty stupid. I think everyone should be concerned with the implications of the fleet lag.
As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin.
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:56:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Kyunden Galard
Originally by: TWD In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Imo the only thing worse than the OP is the sheer number of amazingly unfunny BoB replies such as the above :/
That is a direct quote from the original post?
EVE-O Forums Rules summary: If the thought of doing something makes me giggle for more then 15 seconds, I am to assume I'm not allowed to do it. |

Baelor Stormborn
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:56:00 -
[192]
Can I have your stuff?
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:58:00 -
[193]
In the following one high slot weapon taken of a single killmail from our killboard. There is only one gun listed and the type of the BS. At least your pilots didn't choose to mix gun types.
Heavy Energy Neutralizer I (Geddon) 425mm Carbide Railgun I (Rokh) 425mm \'Scout\' I Accelerator Cannon (Mega) 425mm Carbide Railgun I (Rokh) 425mm Railgun II (Rokh) 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II (Tempest) 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Rokh) 350mm Railgun II (Rokh) 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I (Rokh) Tachyon Beam Laser I (Apoc) Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I (Geddon) (and so on)
You may want to tell your Rokh pilots that a full shield tank is not really going to help them in a fleet fight.
--
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Kyunden Galard
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:59:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Originally by: Kyunden Galard
Originally by: TWD In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Imo the only thing worse than the OP is the sheer number of amazingly unfunny BoB replies such as the above :/
That is a direct quote from the original post?
Yes and I'm assuming it was posted in an attempt at humour. Please tell me I'm wrong and there's another glaring reason he posted it. ------------------------------- Soaring where angels fear to fly |

Zarimax Mishka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:59:00 -
[195]
After the wretched week BoB has had, they finally get back to their core talent. They finally get to enjoy one thing that makes them feel warm and fuzzy and content and superior: shooting players who are offline. |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:59:00 -
[196]
i had an experience like this the other day.. i was flying around as u do.. about to enter 0.0 from 0.4.. saw a ship, decided it was a bad idea.. 2 seconds later the gate lights up and that was the end of eve for my evening.. 17 minutes 33 seconds later it finaly came back to life and i had 63 ships recorded on my ships killmail.
eve is a good game as a theoretical idea but at the end of the day it clearly doesn't work and yet they spend MORE money on buying random ****e like eve tv that no1 really wants.. just another money making scheme and then they add new content to attract new customers.. the occasional ingame fix from those Devs that actualy care about gameplay but the general idea of Eve Online is a money making business.
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Roland 99
Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:59:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Roland 99 on 26/06/2007 22:59:44 Node freaked out People CTD'ed ( local dropped by 150 blues during the lagfest ) people lagged out I spent 5 minutes trying to lock a battleship. 5 minutes trying to warp to a SS etc etc
It was somewhat laggy to begin with but when you guys jumpbridged in the whole goddamned system went on lockdown. Congrats on keeping client sync. Nothing less. Nothing more.
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The only thing lower than a coward is a pet and I vow to eradicate every last one of you. |

Atlat's Godess
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:59:00 -
[198]
What about creating a consummer association to attak ccp for lak of service, ly on advertissing
i'm shure if 1000 gave 5 to 10 % it would be enought to get a nice layer a sue ccp.
I'm shure it would make them move.
It's just an idear.
BY CCP DONT EVEN TRY TO BAN my account for this post cause i promise i'll spend $$$$ to get them back. I'm really ****ed off and i really think you fool us around.
And BoB never get trouble ...; strange ?
Anybody asked the question of how much bob get isk to sell ? i'm shure it represent a nice car each month i wonder why they still have an egemonia on eve at presente time.
PS CCP i have nothing against you but give us a playable game for god's sak
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:00:00 -
[199]
sorry prevoise post from atlant godess is me
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Paul Castrin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:01:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Stelteck it is a shame that the awesome fight we expected against BOB tonight finish like that by the anihilation of an entire fleet due to technical problems.
No fun for everyone, even for BOB players that certainly do not play eve to shoot at ennemy that do not even see them.
... I do not think they want to win like that.
If you believe that then you are a fool.

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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:01:00 -
[201]
I love all the ppl whining about how dishonorable this was...
All you gotta do to see how honorable they are is look at the amount of smack they've talked about a fight they won only by default... they didnmt need tactics, they didnt need skills, that had the advantage to begin with.
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Arckaon
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:07:00 -
[202]
actualy bob thinks they are better tahn other ppl but if we check us killboard we can see bob lost 1 B per day vs TCF in fight with no lag
With lag bob hit for 2 B on TCF
BOB LAG FTW YEAH YEAH you're better than other with lag but you dont know how to pvp in condition with no lag
maybe all of bob need to buy a brain :P then we can start to speak with you as equal
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:09:00 -
[203]
It's the world chess championships, and two lucky finalists are about to face off in the last game of the tournament. The big hall is packed with audience, and a roar erupts as the contestants enter. The blue player moves slowly, shuffling his feet and stretches his arms out to keep balance. He reaches the table and sits down. The red player enters, waving to the audience, moving quickly to the table for the long awaited game. Suddenly he slips and breaks both his arms. The audience is dumbfounded as the medical personal collects the red player and take him to the hospital. The janitors who just mopped the floor with pure soap look on uncaringly.
Before he leaves the hall, the red player says: "Why did they have to mop the floor with pure soap? It's so slippery that it's no surprise accidents like this happens."
The blue player, who won by default, immediately replies: "Hah! You have to know how to work the floor! You're just angry you lost the game!"
/Ki
Joy to the world Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |

Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:09:00 -
[204]
Wow, this is the whineyest thread by an entire alliance I have ever seen. I hope every single one of you quits the game, less lag for the rest of us. I heard that TCF were had turned into a respectable PvP force, but the sight of all of you whining like 3 year olds on the forums makes me want to puke in your faces.
I don't think its a french thing, I think its a TCF thing. I could be wrong though. You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
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MARKET CAT
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:10:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Jehuty Vanricadia What a french thing to do.
Originally by: nickycakes the french surrendering after one battle? say it ain't so!
Ah, BoB. Always incredibly classy in order to maintain their moral superiority.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:10:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Atlat's Godess
What about creating a consummer association to attak ccp for lak of service, ly on advertissing
i'm shure if 1000 gave 5 to 10 % it would be enought to get a nice layer a sue ccp.
I'm shure it would make them move.
It's just an idear.
BY CCP DONT EVEN TRY TO BAN my account for this post cause i promise i'll spend $$$$ to get them back. I'm really ****ed off and i really think you fool us around.
And BoB never get trouble ...; strange ?
Anybody asked the question of how much bob get isk to sell ? i'm shure it represent a nice car each month i wonder why they still have an egemonia on eve at presente time.
PS CCP i have nothing against you but give us a playable game for god's sak
i have exactly the same veiws on this as you.. and that CCP will have someone silence us because they are the overpowered overlords.. and in someways are much like the germans in ww2.. due to their ability to have us silenced and unable to express our veiws as they will be removed from existence..
the people need a voice that can not be silenced.
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Alctel Prime
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:11:00 -
[207]
It was pretty horrible.
After the cyno went up and we all tried to warp to it, mine (and everyone I spoke to) client showed us still at the POS, but apparently our ships warped to the cyno and just sat there - some people started getting lossmails saying their ship had been blown up, even though they were still looking at it in the POS. After 20mins of this many tried to relog, but found themselves unable to get back into system. They were either stuck in a bubble and killed or probed out later.
I'm not sure what happened, but I think that when the cyno went up/first few ships jumped in it de-synced EVERYONE in system - those coming in later were relatively unaffected (apart from the usual lag). This would explain why some bob pilots were wating 5-10mins to get into system and then were able to operate relatively ok.
Noones fault but horrendously annoying from our end...
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Paul Castrin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:11:00 -
[208]
Not having been there I'm going to go out on a limb here ...
Originally by: N'olive at the same second your 140 ships entered, total desync, our fleet warped to your cyno and it stayed frozen 20 minutes. No lag, simply frozen.
Maybe don't warp 270 to a cyno'ing in force?
Certainly a bit of patience might have saved many from being lag killed?
Don't know but then again, like I said, I wasn't there so YMMV.
Peace.
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Apolluon
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:12:00 -
[209]
Originally by: shortspecialbus Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
Are you REALLY trying to do that?
You better go unfit your "jew-claw" before you even THINK about going there, you obnoxious hypocrite.
Apolluon
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:12:00 -
[210]
In ccp world we must all surender in front of bob
but i say
oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ "$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ "$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """$$$ "$$$""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$ $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$o o$$" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" "$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$"$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""" """" $$$$ "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" o$$$ "$$$o """$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"$$" $$$ $$$o "$$""$$$$$$"""" o$$$ $$$$o o$$$" "$$$$o o$$$$$$o"$$$$o o$$$$ "$$$$$oo ""$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"" ""$$$$$oooo "$$$o$$$$$$$$$""" ""$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ """"$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$" "$$$""
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:13:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: shortspecialbus Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
Are you REALLY trying to do that?
You better go unfit your "jew-claw" before you even THINK about going there, you obnoxious hypocrite.
Apolluon
your opinion is unwanted here..
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Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:13:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Itzena on 26/06/2007 23:12:27 just imagine what will happen when this happens to BoB. 
-- Nothing will improve the way things currently are. |

Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:13:00 -
[213]
oups asc II donc work here ?
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MEP3ABEC
Caldari Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:13:00 -
[214]
Edited by: MEP3ABEC on 26/06/2007 23:12:52 Guys! Don't quit accaunts. We kill them all in any ways. We kill BoBs and evil GMs. And write our niknames on the Mollis palace. We have some lags in WW2, we hane it now.
TO THE BERILIN !>>
Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:14:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Vire Amarr In ccp world we must all surender in front of bob
but i say
oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ "$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ "$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """$$$ "$$$""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$ $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$o o$$" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" "$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$"$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""" """" $$$$ "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" o$$$ "$$$o """$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"$$" $$$ $$$o "$$""$$$$$$"""" o$$$ $$$$o o$$$" "$$$$o o$$$$$$o"$$$$o o$$$$ "$$$$$oo ""$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"" ""$$$$$oooo "$$$o$$$$$$$$$""" ""$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ """"$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$" "$$$""
shame it didnt come out as planned but nice effect 
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BarataS
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:14:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Arckaon actualy bob thinks they are better tahn other ppl but if we check us killboard we can see bob lost 1 B per day vs TCF in fight with no lag
With lag bob hit for 2 B on TCF
BOB LAG FTW YEAH YEAH you're better than other with lag but you dont know how to pvp in condition with no lag
maybe all of bob need to buy a brain :P then we can start to speak with you as equal
Your KB have a prettie nice look, if you count 1 bs= 35million and 1 command ship = 180million, you can win all wars....as long as you dont fly command ships.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:15:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Itzena Edited by: Itzena on 26/06/2007 23:12:27 just imagine what will happen when this happens to BoB. 
thats the whole point.. it wont.. bob thinks eve owes it something because shrike was noob enough to log out with an agro timer..
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:15:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Effei Gloom on 26/06/2007 23:15:35
titan jump portals create those lagg hells
warping direct to the cyno field will make it only more difficult,
only way, though not very combat active, would be to wait 15 min before starting any pvp action in system after a titan jump portal was active
made myself very bad experiences with BOB jump portals
my tip to TCF next time get a cloaked cov ops in to setup an "out of grid" load bm 450km off BOB¦s main fleet so you have load time
- next minnie Outpost bpc me:5 available in 25 days - |

Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:15:00 -
[219]
God damn you Coalition folks cry like a school girl with a skinned knee. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:16:00 -
[220]
Man, BoB is milking this for all it's worth... I guess I'd do the same if I haven't won a battle against the french, russians, and americans in over two weeks.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:16:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn God damn you Coalition folks cry like a school girl with a skinned knee.
what do you expect when CCP allows things like this to happen.. but to make it 100x worse its BOB who get the upside.. and we all know about ccp and BoB.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Variable1 We did not generate lag, but we have T2, skill and a bit of luck.
WTB: Client Stabiliser II modules and Grid Load Management Skillbooks. 
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Paul Castrin Not having been there I'm going to go out on a limb here ...
Originally by: N'olive at the same second your 140 ships entered, total desync, our fleet warped to your cyno and it stayed frozen 20 minutes. No lag, simply frozen.
Maybe don't warp 270 to a cyno'ing in force?
Certainly a bit of patience might have saved many from being lag killed?
Don't know but then again, like I said, I wasn't there so YMMV.
Peace.
This. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |

Zihd
EntroPraetorian WraithTemplars EntroPraetorian Aegis
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[224]
I find it funny how BoB and many other forum posters will ***** and complain about the smacktalk in other threads, much like the RAGoon titan kill thread Molle started, and then you turn around and find BoB doing much the same thing here. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
TCF, good luck with your petitions. Desynch and lag sucks, and it does seem that things have gotten somewhat worse since the RevII patch. But what can you do but just pick yourself up and keep moving forward.
I'm going to punch you in the ear and it's going to hurt! |

Ombrae
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Alctel Prime It was pretty horrible.
After the cyno went up and we all tried to warp to it, mine (and everyone I spoke to) client showed us still at the POS, but apparently our ships warped to the cyno and just sat there - some people started getting lossmails saying their ship had been blown up, even though they were still looking at it in the POS. After 20mins of this many tried to relog, but found themselves unable to get back into system. They were either stuck in a bubble and killed or probed out later.
I'm not sure what happened, but I think that when the cyno went up/first few ships jumped in it de-synced EVERYONE in system - those coming in later were relatively unaffected (apart from the usual lag). This would explain why some bob pilots were wating 5-10mins to get into system and then were able to operate relatively ok.
Noones fault but horrendously annoying from our end...
I think you get the general feeling :) clear post, we cant blame bob for coming, that what they expected to do nor can we blame them to shoot at us, we would just like to understand how almost our whole fleet get desych while enemy didnt.
Ombrae & Goramath - Altera Odyssea -
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Iced Casing
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Wylker I hope every single one of you quits the game, less lag for the rest of us.
Witness perfection .... after all the people will quit you will be the king of the universe ... you and the devs :) lets see who wins from that fight :))) i have my money on the lag generator they usualy use :)))
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Xrensa Man, BoB is milking this for all it's worth... I guess I'd do the same if I haven't won a battle against the french, russians, and americans in over two weeks.
*hands xrensa a big red button marked "destroy teh earth"*
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente WOLFPACK DELTA
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:17:00 -
[228]
Originally by: TCF Whine
jeeze i could not be bothered to read this entire thread. Honestly while i do see the point on how large battles should work; This is not something that should of been taken to the forums it should of been handled privately through petitions. To force an issue like this on GM's is unfair.
I am indifferent on what the end result of this is now. I will however watch as open territory would be nice and i think anyone near your area is just drooling at the chance. 
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:18:00 -
[229]
Originally by: BarataS Edited by: BarataS on 26/06/2007 23:14:24
PS (edit):WTB brain
Go for 4 one by hand one by foot
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:18:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Variable1 We did not generate lag, but we have T2, skill and a bit of luck.
WTB: Client Stabiliser II modules and Grid Load Management Skillbooks. 
BoB are a bunch of panzie flowers anyway they think they own eve.. which the probably do but i think they are all Devs and dev alts..
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:18:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn God damn you Coalition folks cry like a school girl with a skinned knee.
what do you expect when CCP allows things like this to happen.. but to make it 100x worse its BOB who get the upside.. and we all know about ccp and BoB.
I guess BoB losing a titan was part of CCPs master plan eh? Really quit crying about getting pwnt. It surely is not the first time, and it surely will not be the last. Everyone gets spanked now and then, sometimes from lag, sometimes because they suck. Deal with it and move on. Quit crying on the forums about how you are going to quit like a bunch of children. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:19:00 -
[232]
You took 300 people against 100 people and expected a 'good fight'?? you mean you expected to win due to your superior numbers.
You lagged out real bad in a 'fleet battle' and got wasted by lower numbers and you want to petition it.
You suck so bad its unreal. If you have any experience of eve you are used to lag, you expect it and you compensate for it.
I doubt you even turned effects off
P.S. I dont want your stuff I bet it stinks.
Dark-Rising
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:19:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Chowdown JUMP PORTALS ARE WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY OVERPOWERED.
I suggest we nerf titans some more!
They'd be fine if they didn't (apparently) break the server.
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Arckaon
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:20:00 -
[234]
baratas my dears baratas , maybe you need to be teach :)
whats you says not long time : kills goon and i will speak to bob for keeping you ...
BS : insure 100 % 105 M CS : cos 160 M fitt 40/80 M
fully insur 220 M ( average ) + 20 M insure : lost 240 -60 = 180 M
i'm first in my class , i can teach you for thing you can ever thinks :)
baratas : QI 14 une poule ^^ ?
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:20:00 -
[235]
Originally by: frederik
About 300 people on coalition side, 100 on BOB side,jumping on us.
HA, you deserved it tbh. 300 ppl on your side alone and BOB only brings 100? I mean come on, thats blobbage like nuts. Yes you are defending, but 300 ppl against 100? Try 150 or even 200.
Originally by: frederik
In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
  I will be waiting for this, whens the dead line again? ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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nickycakes
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:20:00 -
[236]
Originally by: shortspecialbus Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
Possibly because french isn't a race. But the irony of goon crying about racism made me lol. ---
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:20:00 -
[237]
THE GUIDE TO A FLEET BATTLE!
1. get 500 pilots 2. split them into unfair teams named BoB, and other. 3. Arm BoB with an antilag generator and AOE effect weapons. 4. say go:)
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:21:00 -
[238]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Smacking other eve players because who experienced lag/desynch just because you experienced something similar in the past is pretty stupid. I think everyone should be concerned with the implications of the fleet lag.
As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin.
GF preaching about proper forum conduct is a legendary explanation of pot --> kettle .
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:21:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Atlat's Godess
What about creating a consummer association to attak ccp for lak of service, ly on advertissing
i'm shure if 1000 gave 5 to 10 % it would be enought to get a nice layer a sue ccp.
I'm shure it would make them move.
It's just an idear.
BY CCP DONT EVEN TRY TO BAN my account for this post cause i promise i'll spend $$$$ to get them back. I'm really ****ed off and i really think you fool us around.
And BoB never get trouble ...; strange ?
Anybody asked the question of how much bob get isk to sell ? i'm shure it represent a nice car each month i wonder why they still have an egemonia on eve at presente time.
PS CCP i have nothing against you but give us a playable game for god's sak
i have exactly the same veiws on this as you.. and that CCP will have someone silence us because they are the overpowered overlords.. and in someways are much like the germans in ww2.. due to their ability to have us silenced and unable to express our veiws as they will be removed from existence..
the people need a voice that can not be silenced.
*dives out of the way of the banstick*

Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:21:00 -
[240]
Originally by: nickycakes
Originally by: shortspecialbus Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
Possibly because french isn't a race. But the irony of goon crying about racism made me lol.
ur opinion is not wanted here BoB member..
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MARKET CAT
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:21:00 -
[241]
Originally by: MARKET CAT
Originally by: Jehuty Vanricadia What a french thing to do.
Originally by: nickycakes the french surrendering after one battle? say it ain't so!
Ah, BoB. Always incredibly classy in order to maintain their moral superiority.
I mean, I really am regularly impressed at their ability to call Goons a cancer on Eve for their behavior while regularly making racist statements (first about Russians, and now about the French).
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:22:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Atlat's Godess
What about creating a consummer association to attak ccp for lak of service, ly on advertissing
i'm shure if 1000 gave 5 to 10 % it would be enought to get a nice layer a sue ccp.
I'm shure it would make them move.
It's just an idear.
BY CCP DONT EVEN TRY TO BAN my account for this post cause i promise i'll spend $$$$ to get them back. I'm really ****ed off and i really think you fool us around.
And BoB never get trouble ...; strange ?
Anybody asked the question of how much bob get isk to sell ? i'm shure it represent a nice car each month i wonder why they still have an egemonia on eve at presente time.
PS CCP i have nothing against you but give us a playable game for god's sak
i have exactly the same veiws on this as you.. and that CCP will have someone silence us because they are the overpowered overlords.. and in someways are much like the germans in ww2.. due to their ability to have us silenced and unable to express our veiws as they will be removed from existence..
the people need a voice that can not be silenced.
*dives out of the way of the banstick*

already know i will be banned since i've been banned from the forums 4 times already... but hey what u guna do?
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Darth Moo
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:22:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Itzena Edited by: Itzena on 26/06/2007 23:12:27 just imagine what will happen when this happens to BoB. 
thats the whole point.. it wont.. bob thinks eve owes it something because shrike was noob enough to log out with an agro timer..
IF this happens to BoB it will be classified as an exploit ALA P.O.S. Bowling
moo!
If its not an exploit then its fair game The NECROMASTER |

shortspecialbus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:23:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: shortspecialbus Holy crap, you bob guys are a bit obnoxious with the whole "haha french lose and quit lol agincourt" racism, why is that not being censored along with everything else?
Are you REALLY trying to do that?
You better go unfit your "jew-claw" before you even THINK about going there, you obnoxious hypocrite.
Apolluon
Yes because I have posted that very often in these public forums.
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Apolluon
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:24:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz your opinion is unwanted here..
Neither are your accounts, by all reckoning.
Apolluon
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:24:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Atlat's Godess
What about creating a consummer association to attak ccp for lak of service, ly on advertissing
i'm shure if 1000 gave 5 to 10 % it would be enought to get a nice layer a sue ccp.
I'm shure it would make them move.
It's just an idear.
BY CCP DONT EVEN TRY TO BAN my account for this post cause i promise i'll spend $$$$ to get them back. I'm really ****ed off and i really think you fool us around.
And BoB never get trouble ...; strange ?
Anybody asked the question of how much bob get isk to sell ? i'm shure it represent a nice car each month i wonder why they still have an egemonia on eve at presente time.
PS CCP i have nothing against you but give us a playable game for god's sak
i have exactly the same veiws on this as you.. and that CCP will have someone silence us because they are the overpowered overlords.. and in someways are much like the germans in ww2.. due to their ability to have us silenced and unable to express our veiws as they will be removed from existence..
the people need a voice that can not be silenced.
YEAH CCP DONT TRY TO BAN THEM I MEAN THEY LOVE YOUR GAME SO MUCH THEY WANT TO SUE YOU.
Lol
This week on 20/20: When 13 year old nerds sue over intarweb spaceships! You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:24:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Zihd I find it funny how BoB and many other forum posters will ***** and complain about the smacktalk in other threads, much like the RAGoon titan kill thread Molle started, and then you turn around and find BoB doing much the same thing here. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
The current BoB charm offensive only applies to CAOD, it seems.
Originally by: Mitch Taylor You took 300 people against 100 people and expected a 'good fight'??
Nope, we took 250 people (actually 3 different fleets from multiple alliances) to siege some POSs, not specificly to take on a hostile fleet. BoB jumpbridged into us.
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forsight
Gallente Twisted Attitude Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:24:00 -
[248]
Edited by: forsight on 26/06/2007 23:23:51
Originally by: nickycakes the french surrendering after one battle? say it ain't so!
The french have upped there alert status from "hide under table" to "def con white flag"
btw: darwins revenge? 
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:25:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: Fresh Prinz your opinion is unwanted here..
Neither are your accounts, by all reckoning.
Apolluon
yeah CCP seems to think so too.. been account banned by a few devs already lol they actualy do despise me.. i might go to one of their CCP nights just to meet them so they can all get to know me and understand my point of veiw as an uninformed teen drunk on knowladge.
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Apolluon
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:25:00 -
[250]
Originally by: shortspecialbus Yes because I have posted that very often in these public forums.
Gotta go to work, but I'll make this real easy for ya.
If you don't want what your alliance does getting thrown on you...
Don't paint what individuals have done/said as being representative of their alliance.
Two way street, right?
Apolluon
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:26:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Zihd I find it funny how BoB and many other forum posters will ***** and complain about the smacktalk in other threads, much like the RAGoon titan kill thread Molle started, and then you turn around and find BoB doing much the same thing here. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
TCF, good luck with your petitions. Desynch and lag sucks, and it does seem that things have gotten somewhat worse since the RevII patch. But what can you do but just pick yourself up and keep moving forward.
Imho I miss the self imposed ban 
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:26:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: shortspecialbus Yes because I have posted that very often in these public forums.
Gotta go to work, but I'll make this real easy for ya.
If you don't want what your alliance does getting thrown on you...
Don't paint what individuals have done/said as being representative of their alliance.
Two way street, right?
Apolluon
/signed.
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Bishop Bashing
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:27:00 -
[253]
Edited by: Bishop Bashing on 26/06/2007 23:25:57 I really can't be bothered to read *all* of the above (managed to get to page 6 and gave up), but I do believe that lag in large fleet battles is worse in Rev II than it was before the upgrade. We've had lots of issues in oe- and s-e with excessive lag, far worse than a few weeks ago.
Cheers
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Zerg Defiler
Caldari Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:27:00 -
[254]
Originally by: BarataS Edited by: BarataS on 26/06/2007 23:14:24you can win all wars....as long as you dont fly command ships.
all players "dont fly", when u entering to solar system, LAGGofski :)
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:28:00 -
[255]
Would be ban for saying what that we have rights as custumers to get good service ?
CCP is not a dictatorship is a game compagny and they should respect us. and saying they have a bad service sometime is not a lye it's a fact.
Therefore i'm shure CCP forum admin will see the ddifference between scan exploit and only saying that we have right to defend our selfs
I was in eve during beta to know so i know that they can do something and that they have many issue but they should react fast to give us back the lovely game we had since lag issue has been so frequent
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:28:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Bishop Bashing Edited by: Bishop Bashing on 26/06/2007 23:25:57 I really can't be bothered to read *all* of the above (managed to get to page 6 and gave up), but I do believe that lag in large fleet battles is worse in Rev II than it was before the upgrade. We've had lots of issues in oe- and s-e with excessive lag, far worse than a few weeks ago.
Cheers
naw dude idea is u read the first post and then the last 2 pages and make opinions on them both.. and hopefully if this thread goes on long enough my ebil trolling will be ignored.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:28:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Vire Amarr Would be ban for saying what that we have rights as custumers to get good service ?
CCP is not a dictatorship is a game compagny and they should respect us. and saying they have a bad service sometime is not a lye it's a fact.
Therefore i'm shure CCP forum admin will see the ddifference between scan exploit and only saying that we have right to defend our selfs
I was in eve during beta to know so i know that they can do something and that they have many issue but they should react fast to give us back the lovely game we had since lag issue has been so frequent
thats what i said.. then they banned ma account.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:29:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Zihd I find it funny how BoB and many other forum posters will ***** and complain about the smacktalk in other threads, much like the RAGoon titan kill thread Molle started, and then you turn around and find BoB doing much the same thing here. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
TCF, good luck with your petitions. Desynch and lag sucks, and it does seem that things have gotten somewhat worse since the RevII patch. But what can you do but just pick yourself up and keep moving forward.
Imho I miss the self imposed ban 
QFT. Most of BoB are not forum fun. Those that are posted during the quiet time anyway... --------
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:29:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
I doubt you even turned effects off
HEY thats a good idea Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:29:00 -
[260]
Originally by: frederik In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader
Can I have your stuff?
I make sigs |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:30:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Zihd I find it funny how BoB and many other forum posters will ***** and complain about the smacktalk in other threads, much like the RAGoon titan kill thread Molle started, and then you turn around and find BoB doing much the same thing here. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
TCF, good luck with your petitions. Desynch and lag sucks, and it does seem that things have gotten somewhat worse since the RevII patch. But what can you do but just pick yourself up and keep moving forward.
Imho I miss the self imposed ban 
QFT. Most of BoB are not forum fun. Those that are posted during the quiet time anyway...
i wanna see this thread survive till DT tomorow.. will b interesting to see what happens:D
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Felzius
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:30:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Iced Casing Heh all i see in this thread is some people ... most of them under 15 that keep askin "can i get your stuff" that dont realize that their main issue is not "trying to limit gangs so lagg wont occur ... the main problem here is CCP ... they bragged about sustaining 1000 man battles ... BS!
I think they meant 1000 men fighting in 10 different systems, that seems to work, at least most times it does :)
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:30:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: frederik In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader
Can I have your stuff?
can i have ur stuff after he gives u his stuff?
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Neoromi
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:31:00 -
[264]
Paintrain have'nt brakes!
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MARKET CAT
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:31:00 -
[265]
Originally by: MARKET CAT
Originally by: MARKET CAT
Originally by: Jehuty Vanricadia What a french thing to do.
Originally by: nickycakes the french surrendering after one battle? say it ain't so!
Ah, BoB. Always incredibly classy in order to maintain their moral superiority.
I mean, I really am regularly impressed at their ability to call Goons a cancer on Eve for their behavior while regularly making racist statements (first about Russians, and now about the French).
Because it's not at all hypocritical, you see.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:32:00 -
[266]
Originally by: cOnDoRUS You BoDs had lags, but insignificant.. Not noticeably that at 3/4 yours gang was stopscreen as at us. Therefore those at whom stopscreen had to press ctrl+Q, and to you easy to shoot in the majority NOT DEPARTED in Warp ships.. Not testing practically any Lags. I wanna sleep, so gBoD night.
So when did your alliance degenerate to pets who throw around "boddevhaxsploits" every time they lose, MEP3ABEC? And to think i held respect for you as the last survivor of immensea... I guess you've simply fallen to being TCF pets.
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:32:00 -
[267]
Fresh prince you know u are poluting the post ?
If you do post please post something helpfull.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:32:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Felzius
Originally by: Iced Casing Heh all i see in this thread is some people ... most of them under 15 that keep askin "can i get your stuff" that dont realize that their main issue is not "trying to limit gangs so lagg wont occur ... the main problem here is CCP ... they bragged about sustaining 1000 man battles ... BS!
I think they meant 1000 men fighting in 10 different systems, that seems to work, at least most times it does :)
QFT i think CCP is living in the past where people rode up to their opposing force on horses and said.. we will fight at dawn tomorow..
UNFORTUNATLY CCP.. real life isnt like that anymore.. we are not gentlemen of war we are beasts of destruction.. not caring about those we impose our petty opinions on.
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Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:33:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Fresh Prinz on 26/06/2007 23:32:42
Originally by: Vire Amarr Fresh prince you know u are poluting the post ?
If you do post please post something helpfull.
I'm special, i have an opinion, im sharing my opinion, im going to be banned, uhoh.
dont turn on those whome agree with you and oppose those whome oppose you since they will one day be the one to rise up against the superpowers with you hand in hand.
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Kornel
Minmatar Alfa Corporation Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:34:00 -
[270]
Its a funny .... looking how BoB members try to find normal explanation to 20:1 "victory"
and how many of them cant do it... matter of intelegence probably..... Empire High Sec research service! |

Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:35:00 -
[271]
Really, I love how EVERYONE is beating the dead horse of 300 vs 100 to death...
Like ANYONE.... ANYONE goes for a "fair" fight in this game... there is NO such thing. This is EVE... Anyone that says they're looking for a "good" fight or a "fair" fight is seriously lying to themselves... If this werent true, all the pirates would be running around in small groups or solo in non t2 frigates with non t2 fittings because fighting ppl like that would be a "challenge" not this hundred plus blobs of uber t2 ships with full t2 loadouts... I even say a guy with a sig that summed this up perfectly the other day: "If Im in a fair fight Ive done something horribly wrong". Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Gort
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:40:00 -
[272]
Once or twice during this entire thread an adult conversation was in danger of breaking out.
Pity it didn't. But then, it would not have been an Eve forum thread, would it?
Seriously, folks, either CCP have created a terribly broken game (from the "ready, shoot! aim" game design school) or... I don't even want to think of the alternatives.
Regards from a player who avoids large fleet play like the plague,
Gorty
-- When in doubt, empty the magazine. |

Fresh Prinz
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:41:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Fink Angel
I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO.
so thats how they win fleet battles.
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Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:41:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Richard Aiel Who speaks French btw>?
Originally by: FGxHalsey As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin.
Was that mean?
i stand near my french brother : don't (look up) , we will have new ship and will got back to fighting for a final victory
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Popperr
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:42:00 -
[275]
Originally by: TWD In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
Originally by: Coranor We all had lag. It took my client at least 5 minutes to figure out that i was'nt in 9-9 anymore after the jump bridge. Then it took another 3 minutes to load any ships in the system. See everyone experiences lag in fights the same way. You just gotta learn to fight through and not to log your thanatos off when you're in a dictor bubble and you're at half armour.
But really i have to ask the most pressing question here.
Can i have your stuff?
these are both your accounts
you sad little man
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:43:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around.
That was me, during the ASCN campaign. I don't have a link to hand, unfortunatey.
However, the one thing that post missed, was... Don't panic. Don't logoff. Don't cry. Just wait, do as ordered, and get back in the saddle as soon as possible after dieing.
Sure as hell don't threaten to quit over one event when you've probably had hundreds of hours of joy and laughter shooting rocks or players whilst on Teamspeak with your friends. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |

Strepsils
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:44:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Ztrain Edited by: Ztrain on 26/06/2007 21:54:29 The French always amaze me. You don't want lag? Don't bring 270 to a battle.
Z
Did you fit 4 WCSs on your sniping ship this time again? Or you scouted in a frig, from a safespot again? 
Amusing what BoB is recruiting these days. They must be desperate, heh. |

Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:45:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Fink Angel
I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO.
so thats how they win fleet battles.
Optimising the client to make it less laggy in fleet battles seems eminently sensible to me. Then telling everyone else how they do it is pretty fair too. But tinfoil hattery always wins, so it's probably the devs giving the hamsters on Bob's servers PCP & speed.
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:45:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Fink Angel Can I make a comment as a neutral, with no side to take...
I think Bob are actually pretty restrained and obviously a fairly mature (in age and outlook) bunch of players.
I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around.
The Bob style of play is a little too serious for me, but they clearly run as a military operation, strict chain of command, strict roles and rules etc. and it pays major dividends.
Just my 2 pence ... on with the usual programme ...
DBP alt spotted.
-DBP
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |

Calderio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:46:00 -
[280]
This thread was covered live by a bob radio dj on air on bob radio.
btw i was npcing when all this happend.
listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage. |

Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:49:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Nevada Tan DBP alt spotted.
-DBP
Put the conspiracy theory down ma'am. Take 5 steps backward, kneel and interlock your fingers behind your head.
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Littleluk
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:51:00 -
[282]
Lag= slow target locks, slow modules, slow overview etc.
Desync= it NEVER updates, your client doesnt move, your overview continues to show the info from when you desynced.
A couple of obvious things from the thread. Lag is the same for both sides sorta. BOB jumped in and were lagged. TCF warped to engage the enemy and desynced. This means a good portion of TCF could only regain control of their ships by relogging or reconnectiong after they crashed. This also means that the BOB who came in the second jumpbridge were lagged and could, after a reasonable delay, lock and kill ships. Obviously TCF did not ever regain synchronization to their clients. Fairly annoying when your the person who cant do anything about it.
Second issue, since BOB says they tried to jump 3-4 times. Shouldnt a titan that is jump bridging a ship somewhere else have to like go with that fleet to the new destination?
Third issue. I think it is obvious in this thread how anxious BOB is to have a victory at this stage. And how broke their average member is. I haven't seen so many people asking for free stuff to help them since the last heavily advertised 14 day free trial in Jita local. Everyone needs a little luk. |

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:53:00 -
[283]
Heh.
This reminds me of node crash in TCAG. Tried to login multiple times for 20-25 minutes, stared at empty screen with green icons on the right side (BoB logging on), while many of us couldn't get in.
After some 20 minutes, wallet increased on character selection screen, so I knew I was dead.
19 BoB pilots on killmail (including a carrier), and ASCNers still couldn't log on.
We didn't "understand game mechanics" (their favourite line :), so we died. That always made me laugh. When I asked where is documentation for all that "game mechanics" BoB is talking about, noone was kind enough to point me in the right direction. Corp/alliance chat or MSN seem to be the only way to 'learn' about game mechanics, heh.
Sweet memories 
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Tyrus Ex
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:55:00 -
[284]
It would appear TCF has a short-term memory.
+1 IRONY
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:55:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Vire Amarr
Originally by: Richard Aiel Who speaks French btw>?
Originally by: FGxHalsey As for TCF: Je me tiens avec mes frFres frantais. Ne donnez pas vers le haut, nous obtiendrons de nouveaux bateaux et victoire a la fin.
Was that mean?
i stand near my french brother : don't (look up) , we will have new ship and will got back to fighting for a final victory
Flowery lol thx Firguring that my whole family is French youd think Id speak it :p
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Vire Amarr
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:56:00 -
[286]
understand game mecanism ?
How come bob always know before all ?
Do they have slaves to try all eve script and find leak ?
in real life leak = illegal so in eve it should be same in eve
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:56:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Fink Angel I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around.
That was me, during the ASCN campaign. I don't have a link to hand, unfortunatey.
However, the one thing that post missed, was... Don't panic. Don't logoff. Don't cry. Just wait, do as ordered, and get back in the saddle as soon as possible after dieing.
Sure as hell don't threaten to quit over one event when you've probably had hundreds of hours of joy and laughter shooting rocks or players whilst on Teamspeak with your friends.
Hey post that minimize lag overview thing plz lol
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:57:00 -
[288]
I knew BoB was a gang of arrogant smacktards, but I didn't know they were as bad as they prove in this thread.
Impressive work gathering all the worst and most bigheaded lowlifes in a single alliance. The roach I stepped on yesterday is more valuable than you guys.
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:57:00 -
[289]
On a slightly less tinfoil-hat note, does anyone know exactly where the server is and/or which ISP backbone node it is parked on? London is a big place and has many ISPs. :) (And CCP UK isn't even in London, for that matter!)
It might just be something simple like most of BoB have got a better ping to the server than most of TCF/Goons/etc.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |

Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Nevada Tan
Originally by: Fink Angel Can I make a comment as a neutral, with no side to take...
I think Bob are actually pretty restrained and obviously a fairly mature (in age and outlook) bunch of players.
I remember some time back a Bob member even posted how to set the overview to minimise lag, so that's pretty sporting IMO. The post is probably still findable if you poke around.
The Bob style of play is a little too serious for me, but they clearly run as a military operation, strict chain of command, strict roles and rules etc. and it pays major dividends.
Just my 2 pence ... on with the usual programme ...
DBP alt spotted.
-DBP
cant be this guy doesnt write like this when he talks. 
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 -
[291]
Originally by: Fresh Prinz
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: frederik In case of no rembursement off all TCF fleet ship i ll cancel all my eve account .
FREDERIK TCF alliance leader
Can I have your stuff?
can i have ur stuff after he gives u his stuff?
No way!
I make sigs |

JADE DRAG0NESS
Minmatar Night Hawks
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Posted - 2007.06.26 23:58:00 -
[292]
Originally by: Hussards Can i have your stuff?

How Boringly Predictable. This is one aspect of the commuity i hate. The bit where EvEtards come up and "say Can i have your stuff".
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |

John Caldr
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:01:00 -
[293]
As it was said, we had same issue, in UNL and allies
threads are here -
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=545076
So
I think most ppl of our alliance write here something like +1 or /signed. Lags started just after the Cyno and few ships jumped in. Not a big difference from 300 local. After this we DO SAW local increasing but we were not able to move. So - we DO had a link to the server. And at the same we DO had lags and sme of us desync. While getting damage, loosing ships and knowing someone fights us from TS. Interesting issue.
Relogin (and we all know what a relogin do to a tuned fleet wtih adjusted gangs) took about 15 mins. Including hangup WITHOUT ANY TCP/IP or UDP RESPONSE from the server for about 13 mins (while any other my char could enter the game even in Jita)
After the warp (almost immidiately!) I started to get damage (with nothing in overview). And at this moment I see an Insurance mail for my ship and at the same time .... my ship. Just before I was going to explode, Game freeze a silent moment before death. After some time, about 150 ships appear in overview. They are still here like ghosts. But I see TCP pockets are coming from EVE server. So it is an ingame issue and not a result of fighting, its too easy to fire at sitting ducks that unable to response. I dont think that the lag, desync and disconnect are a part of the game. Since "Lagging or desyncing online" is not a game I'm purchasing each month for few accounts. It should be about skills and not the fact who is closer to the EVE server. Really.
BOBs - you did not had a chance in fair fight. At least you would not be able to get less damage then deal. Focus owns. Practice of knowning ingame mechanic is called metagaming. i do not know what type of fun you have by killing sitting ducks, but this type of fun sucks.
so /signed
CCP - PLEASE. PLEASE. PLEASE.
The more ppl play in EVE - the more petitions you get for fleet battles, and more ppl quit EVE since lagging online when you (I) spend your (my) precious (I mean it) time, I do not want to get a complete dissapointment during this time and start considering the move to another MMOG (or make a new one).
We should be able to get a fair fight. If its a hardware issue - it was obvious that reinforced POSes will attract all the parties, so any hardware adjustments should be made beforehand.
LOOKING for an IDEAL SOLUTION in curent state? - SOLUTION IS SIMPLE
If you cant process and transfer huge amount of data realtime - use iterations and compresed data. If you Do have a hardware issue in a system - Limit actions timer to 5-10-20-30-45-60 seconds instead of 1 or less from same client. And to put an end to so obvious from KB "we lagged/desynced, they dont" - set it for entire system as a visible parameter same for all ships in system/hardware cluster. It is not a complex task withing extendable environment for any team and will not demand any changes in code, architecture, etc.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:01:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Jonaswpl <silly smacking image>
I wonder if RKK knew they'd be getting tons of mediocre smackers when they were picking up the trash from Shinra.
Really, leave smacking to "old" bobbits, they do it with style.
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Natsuki
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:04:00 -
[295]
so basically the point of this thread is:
When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care)
when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX.
freaking hypocrites. go kill urselves -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |

Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:04:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Jonaswpl <silly smacking image>
I wonder if RKK knew they'd be getting tons of mediocre smackers when they were picking up the trash from Shinra.
Really, leave smacking to "old" bobbits, they do it with style.
They didn't care - they just wanted the titan & what was left of the Shinra capital fleet. The pilots were just an unpleasantly necessary part of the deal.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |

JADE DRAG0NESS
Minmatar Night Hawks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:07:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Natsuki so basically the point of this thread is:
When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care)
when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX.
Yep 
In the end thats what happens when someone powerfull cheats they make enermies.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |

Natsuki
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:09:00 -
[298]
Prove I cheated -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |

Tyrus Ex
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:09:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Nevada Tan The pilots were just an unpleasantly necessary part of the deal.
I can assure you my new friends find me very pleasant. 
oh... and yarrr...
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torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:10:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Natsuki so basically the point of this thread is:
When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care)
when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX.
freaking hypocrites. go kill urselves
Now, I know you're in DICE, which is the bush league of BoB, but even you should realize that your alliance's leader and former pilot of said titan has said that he did not desync. |

PalmerEldritch
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:13:00 -
[301]
I was charmed into eve by reading battle reports of epic engagements between fleets with huge numbers of ships involved, from small frigates up to dreadnaughts and beyond. Thats why I've stuck this game out for the 5 or 6 months i've been playing so that one day I can hopefully experience the "eve end game" of major alliance warfare, but now that I have read stuff like this:
Quote: Everyone gets the lag, it's who ever can deal with it better wins.
it really really depresses me. This game would be hands down one of the absolutely most fun games i've ever played if the client problems were at all manageable. The idea that you could basically partake in Star Wars scale battles (that actually had consequences) essentially day in and day out sold me on this game, but seeing first hand what happens when you have ~250 people in a system at one time and being on the receiving end of desynchs really makes you ask yourself what makes this game fun?
Quote: Really, I love how EVERYONE is beating the dead horse of 300 vs 100 to death...
Like ANYONE.... ANYONE goes for a "fair" fight in this game... there is NO such thing. This is EVE... Anyone that says they're looking for a "good" fight or a "fair" fight is seriously lying to themselves... If this werent true, all the pirates would be running around in small groups or solo in non t2 frigates with non t2 fittings because fighting ppl like that would be a "challenge" not this hundred plus blobs of uber t2 ships with full t2 loadouts... I even say a guy with a sig that summed this up perfectly the other day: "If Im in a fair fight Ive done something horribly wrong".
This needs to be repeated over and over. I see eve not really as a game but as a sci-fi galaxy sim where the world is cold and unforgiving especially so with space combat. The fact of the matter is that bringing superior firepower and superior numbers to a battle should NOT be what LOSES you battles.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:14:00 -
[302]
What Id like to know is there the moderators are today...
I know emails have been pouring out about this thread since it started but NO moderation...
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Shides Darkheart
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:15:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Shides Darkheart on 27/06/2007 00:14:59 God, i've never seen such a bunch of whining idiots in an alliance before.
All this crying and moaning is really quite sad. Sounds like you are a bunch of sore losers.
You lost a fleet engagement, first thing you do is cry BoBHaxCCPSploitz and when everyone laughs in your face you then compare CCP to the Na zi Germany.
What a pathetic bunch of players, go ahead and quit, we are better off without you. |

Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:16:00 -
[304]
I wanted to come here for a laff too .. 
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Ryouko Asakura
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:17:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Shides Darkheart Edited by: Shides Darkheart on 27/06/2007 00:14:59 God, i've never seen such a bunch of whining idiots in an alliance before.
All this crying and moaning is really quite sad. Sounds like you are a bunch of sore losers.
You lost a fleet engagement, first thing you do is cry BoBHaxCCPSploitz and when everyone laughs in your face you then compare CCP to the Na zi Germany.
What a pathetic bunch of players, go ahead and quit, we are better off without you.
Psst. You seem to be posting from an alt, rather than your BoB character. ^-^
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Eskalin
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:18:00 -
[306]
Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 00:22:36 well this is what we have come to expect in the forums your going to hate on a group that has the balls to jump 150 people into 250? dont play the desync card no one belives you but i guess this is the only place you can vent your rage cause you sure aren't hurting on us tranquility flame on r-tards
If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
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Natsuki
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:19:00 -
[307]
btw, I don't understand why you TCF guys think you would have won the fight anyway, with FCs like this:
Result of TCF gang warp -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |

fuze
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:20:00 -
[308]
Remember JV1V siege? Now the shoe is on the other foot. |

LaCoHa
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:23:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Scavok Only BoB could think they could jump 100 people into 250 people and only lose 4 ships in a legitimate fight 
Yeah, that sums it up.
You guys did win.. but come on.
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Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:25:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Bistot Kid I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a system locked down, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I looked around. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, over the whole system. Smelled like... victory.
Someday this war's gonna end...
This post made my day!
Z
General George S. Patton, "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." |

Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:27:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
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Evil Bonzi
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:33:00 -
[312]
Originally by: fuze Remember JV1V siege? Now the shoe is on the other foot.
JV1V you would have gotten your ass handed to ya regardless of the node crash. RedTCFSwarm + allies had over 1000 ships ready to jump into the system, you had ~200 if I recall correctly (correct me if I'm wrong).
Honestly the BoB here bragging and insulting the TCF here should be ashamed of themselves. I'm disgusted.
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fafa2365
A.L.E.X.I.S Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:34:00 -
[313]
Ok, i can see that you don't know what is the problem. No matter, i will post soon a nice video with a wonderfull desynk problem, same day, same region, same hostiles, only 3 hours later
Maybe you will be able to understand why some pilotes don't want to fight like this 
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sapage1
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:35:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie...
Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency? Your Sig is great but we are not allowed to let you have it.... |

Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 -
[315]
Originally by: sapage1
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie...
Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency?
No, no one is blaming you for shooting.
Also, it's not lag. It's desynch. It's a totally different issue.
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John Caldr
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 -
[316]
Edited by: John Caldr on 27/06/2007 00:35:19 Band... hm... since the support did fight and titan did fight all the time (you do have killboard, right?) - it must be the new kind of desync. the type of desync we never heard of. 40 mins of lags in desync where EVE spirits locked the targets and fired cannons.
so, please, keep lag stories for noobs.
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Evil Bonzi
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 -
[317]
Originally by: sapage1
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie...
Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency?
He's not saying that he would have stopped shooting, but he wouldn't come to the forums yelling "AHAHA U GOTPWNED WE R SO GOOD U SUCK" 
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Shides Darkheart
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:38:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Evil Bonzi
Originally by: sapage1
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie...
Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency?
He's not saying that he would have stopped shooting, but he wouldn't come to the forums yelling "AHAHA U GOTPWNED WE R SO GOOD U SUCK" 
But they would.
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Zerg Defiler
Caldari Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:38:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP
u understand ?
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:39:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:38:30
Originally by: Zerg Defiler
Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP
u understand ?
I don't think anyone can understand what you just wrote.
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Orange Species
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 -
[321]
Your alliance must be proud of you if you quit over one battle.
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Evil Bonzi
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:45:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Xeliya
This just made my day 
Did Chow quit when LV lost the Titan because of lag? No! Did he cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! BoB couldn't get dictors off Shrike because 90% of their support got De-synced, did they cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! Did Dian cry when he lost his Aeon to De-sync? No!
Every fight with 300+ pilots you go into you know there WILL BE LAG.
Take the lose like a man and go back out on the field.
Sorry just so sick of seeing people crying that the lag made them lose and they will quit if CCP doesn't return their ships.
Everyone gets the lag, it's who ever can deal with it better wins.
When LV lost their titan, they not only petitioned, but they accused GM sunshine and another GM of being on Goonswarm in a public letter. And this was the leadership Mr Sp0ck I believe
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Darth Moo
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:45:00 -
[323]
oop dont backtalk this guy he'll get you fired! moo!
If its not an exploit then its fair game The NECROMASTER |

hass
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 -
[324]
Can I have your space ?
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Minmatar Night Hawks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:47:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Natsuki Prove I cheated
Whats the point when your MS 'friends' support you 
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |

Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:52:00 -
[326]
Not associated with either side, there is an aweful lot of whining, however, laying waste to 100 ships in 10 min...something is not being told. Either the lag was worse for the loser side, or the loser side had a bunch of low skill tech 1 sub battleship vessels vs. lots of tech 2 capital ships.
Can anyone clarify if TCF had smaller ships mostly? Or was it statistically about the same number of large ships and small ships.
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It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers s |

Tacid
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:54:00 -
[327]
Originally by: John Caldr
Lags started just after the Cyno and few ships jumped in. Not a big difference from 300 local. After this we DO SAW local increasing but we were not able to move. So - we DO had a link to the server. And at the same we DO had lags and sme of us desync. While getting damage, loosing ships and knowing someone fights us from TS. Interesting issue.
Relogin (and we all know what a relogin do to a tuned fleet wtih adjusted gangs) took about 15 mins. Including hangup WITHOUT ANY TCP/IP or UDP RESPONSE from the server for about 13 mins (while any other my char could enter the game even in Jita)
After the warp (almost immidiately!) I started to get damage (with nothing in overview). And at this moment I see an Insurance mail for my ship and at the same time .... my ship. Just before I was going to explode, Game freeze a silent moment before death. After some time, about 150 ships appear in overview. They are still here like ghosts. But I see TCP pockets are coming from EVE server. So it is an ingame issue and not a result of fighting, its too easy to fire at sitting ducks that unable to response. I dont think that the lag, desync and disconnect are a part of the game. Since "Lagging or desyncing online" is not a game I'm purchasing each month for few accounts. It should be about skills and not the fact who is closer to the EVE server. Really.
BOBs - you did not had a chance in fair fight. At least you would not be able to get less damage then deal. Focus owns. Practice of knowning ingame mechanic is called metagaming. i do not know what type of fun you have by killing sitting ducks, but this type of fun sucks.
/signed
I saw lags in EVE before in fleet battles. There was lags in 6T without BOB too, no so much but annoying (strong lag was only when jumping in system, like 2-3 min without any client reaction - just JUMPING IN). But when cyno opens and some BOB jumped in... that was not like lag, that was something I had never seen before - client just freeze. I believe BOB was in lag too - they jump in the system with about 250 players in it, but not freeze like we got. I warped to cyno but never moved, 7 minutes in open space where u see nothing and client react nothing - just chat works, u can say allies "OMG WTF?!". There was no lags in chat. When relogin (20 minutes I was looking in black screen with login bar "entering in system") I find myself where I was before warping...
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Israfil
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Posted - 2007.06.27 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eskalin Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 00:22:36 dont play the desync card no one belives you but i guess this is the only place you can vent your rage cause you sure aren't hurting on us tranquility flame on r-tards
Yep some BoB members played that lag/desync card on your titan loss too 
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Zerg Defiler
Zerg Hive
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:08:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:38:30
Originally by: Zerg Defiler
Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP
u understand ?
I don't think anyone can understand what you just wrote.
are u sure ?
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Barkode
Fourth Dimension
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:15:00 -
[330]
Lag is ever present for everyone. The side that learns to deal with it first is the side that will be the victor. The side that comes to the forums to complain will fail first.
Stop metagaming and start dealing with it like everyone else.
Or quit, your kind seems to be good at that through the centuries.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:21:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Barkode Lag is ever present for everyone. The side that learns to deal with it first is the side that will be the victor. The side that comes to the forums to complain will fail first.
Clearly then the answer is still Titans because there's something screwy about lag and the jump bridge.
Stop posting, because you either don't understand fleet lag (and the largely unpredictable nature of it, whatever people will say) or you're a BoB alt trolling over your "victory".
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:21:00 -
[332]
Agmar really won this thread.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this thread beyond that, but I can only sum it up with one word. Pathetic.
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Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:28:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Herculite Agmar really won this thread.
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at this thread beyond that, but I can only sum it up with one word. Pathetic.
Much like your posting.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:33:00 -
[334]
Posting in an epic thread.
Whining about lag and making silly claims like "bob didn't lag but we did" is bad.
Replying to that whine by antagonizing the situation the way BoB is doing is also bad. You guys should know better.
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Talkorma
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:37:00 -
[335]
Would seem vaguely unfair if anyone had their ship reimbursed from a Fleet Battle(Not jsut this one but any other one due to "LAG"). Just due to the fact of all the hundreds of other people who have lost theirs ships due to lag in a fleet battle(It's part of blob warfare, fleet fighting lol). What do you expect lol when you blob a system with so many pilots to fight. Durr! :P
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Jomin Herdsy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:41:00 -
[336]
I am so glad BoB doesn't make use of ethnic and racial stereotypes like those ignorant, childish and dishonourable goonies.
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TRYPTIC
The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:45:00 -
[337]
Up until reading the BoB responses in this thread I actually began to develop a little less revulsion for BoB after "Molly" congratulated RA for the Titan kill. Now I'm back to total distaste for BoB.
Instead of lending their weight to complaints about the horrible lag in EVE, these BoB f****tards behave just like goons in the forums and rub TCF's nose in a miserable loss due to game dynamics (or lack thereof)
Gawd...you are such LOSERS!
These are my opinions only.
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:49:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 27/06/2007 01:52:49 First, you blob (coz you only fight when the odds are 3 to 1), second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums. You and your friends (Goons,CA etc etc) introduced blob/zerg tactics to EVE and now you blame CCP for it?! Just funny... I guess since Titans have been nerfed, the only thing you should be whining about on the forums to be nerfed is BOB. If not, you will quit the game... 
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Jomin Herdsy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:56:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums.
Jesus christ, get it through your thick pubbie skull: (1) if it was lag, it would have affected both sides equally (2) it was a mass client desync of the attacking force (3) the second wave of the jumbridged BoB was unaffected by this flaw in the game mechanics and proceeded to destroy all of the unpiloted ships.
This is obviously not an expected aspect of the game's mechanics like normal lag.
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titanstory
FRENCH NAVY Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 01:58:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt First, you blob (coz you only fight when the odds are 3 to 1), second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums. You and your friends (Goons,CA etc etc) introduced blob/zerg tactics to EVE and now you blame CCP for it?! Just funny...
if you like to be desynchro for 15 minutes, not me.
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:04:00 -
[341]
Originally by: Jomin Herdsy
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums.
Jesus christ, get it through your thick pubbie skull: (1) if it was lag, it would have affected both sides equally (2) it was a mass client desync of the attacking force (3) the second wave of the jumbridged BoB was unaffected by this flaw in the game mechanics and proceeded to destroy all of the unpiloted ships.
This is obviously not an expected aspect of the game's mechanics like normal lag.
I'm sure you figured it all after 2 months and 14 days.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:06:00 -
[342]
No no no you guys don't understand. If someone attacks your systems you're supposed to not do anything because it might causes lag.
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Kage Psychodin
Caldari The Empire Nation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:08:00 -
[343]
How about this? Petition the loss. Wait. Ask them to examine the logs. If nothing funny shows up for CCP, you're out of luck. It DOES suck however, that someone bringing supposedly a superior fleet lost perhaps due to the lag monster. Lag should not be a limit to battle size, and THAT really is unacceptable. Another one bites the dust. |

Bu Jinkan
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:10:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Originally by: Jomin Herdsy
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums.
Jesus christ, get it through your thick pubbie skull: (1) if it was lag, it would have affected both sides equally (2) it was a mass client desync of the attacking force (3) the second wave of the jumbridged BoB was unaffected by this flaw in the game mechanics and proceeded to destroy all of the unpiloted ships.
This is obviously not an expected aspect of the game's mechanics like normal lag.
I'm sure you figured it all after 2 months and 14 days.
I guess he should concede the point to someone who wasn't there and is actually just taking their own idle speculation as fact! Thanks for your opinion, Jonathan. I hope you post more often because we were really lacking in self-important know-it-all jackasses until you graced us with your visit.
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Black Jumper
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:17:00 -
[345]
The hardest thing about this topic is not about losing ships. We were and will be there to put them in jeopardy.
The hard thing is to read, and keep calm, with all those professional flamers who : - flame for morale warfare (oh well, that's war) - flame because they don't get that a fleet battle with 100 kills 4 losses, in a system where you are outnumbered 3 to 1 is the result of a massive desynchronisation of your opponents, wether game mechanics were exploited or not to get this result.
There is no whining in the original thread. For the first flamers, well, there is no fairplay in war, particulary these Eve days. For the second, well, we can't help you.
That being said, the point is for CCP to recognize it's game's massive problems.
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:20:00 -
[346]
Don't be careless and use a grid load warp in next time.
Then maybe you'll actually get the grid to load.
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Ceros X
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:26:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Entilzah Valen Don't be careless and use a grid load warp in next time.
Then maybe you'll actually get the grid to load.
That's not the issue. Get out of this thread.
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TRYPTIC
The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:28:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt
Originally by: Jomin Herdsy
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums.
Jesus christ, get it through your thick pubbie skull: (1) if it was lag, it would have affected both sides equally (2) it was a mass client desync of the attacking force (3) the second wave of the jumbridged BoB was unaffected by this flaw in the game mechanics and proceeded to destroy all of the unpiloted ships.
This is obviously not an expected aspect of the game's mechanics like normal lag.
I'm sure you figured it all after 2 months and 14 days.
So, Jonathan, what you're saying is that TCF should have known this would happen and never spoiled for a fight? How reasonable is that?!? "Oh, wait guys...we gotta figure that the server is gonna puke on us. So we should bring 600 pilots instead of 300 and then we'll still have a fighting chance."
Not only that, but why are you supporting the point of view that players should "just learn to live with it"? This is a major problem with EVE. And, because we all pay a fee to play the game, we have a right to enjoy it in as close to an error-free condition as is reasonably possible - and we ain't at that point yet. We're not even close to that.
My suggestion to you is that you should lend the weight of your opinion to the folks who have, for quite some time, complained about the lag/synch problems that have plagued this game
These are my opinions alone and not those of my corp or my alliance.
Regards, Tryp
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Zumzat
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:32:00 -
[349]
Edited by: Zumzat on 27/06/2007 02:31:51 Little episode from a fight against bob+pets. Local was around 50 when engagement took place. Rised up to 140 during. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Zumzat2/lagodrom1.wmv
And yes there was a blob battle in 9-9 meanwhile, but bobz dunno look like they had any lags, eh? http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6527/lagbattle1hx2.png Tbh it was a miracle that a sabre managed to kill a ranis (while being visually cloacked and seeing no range to hostile ships in overview) and warp out.
Bob never complain of lags on forums? Sure, neither would I having devs on msg :D ;) Or no, wait, it's all in s***ty russian connection, isn't it? Same with french?
All the petitions on lag issues and connected losses are REJECTED by GM's. All the PRIVATE E-MAILSto customer support get only "copy-paste" replies like "Sorry, there's nothing we can do" or "Sorry, we haven't detected any server malfunctions". All public duscussions on forums are FORBIDDEN.
Very comfortable position, right, CCP?
Well, there are lots of other i-net resources that can strongly influence the matter. Dunno think it will raise the number of ppl playing EVE if this goes external.
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:32:00 -
[350]
Edited by: Pepperami on 27/06/2007 02:32:14
Originally by: Vire Amarr In ccp world we must all surender in front of bob
but i say
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Fixed for ya ;)
btw, lol @ 250 gang and surprised at lag.
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TRYPTIC
The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:34:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Vire Amarr In ccp world we must all surender in front of bob
but i say
oooo$$$$$$$$$$$$oooo oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o oo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o o$ $$ o$ o $ oo o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$o $$ $$ $$o$ oo $ $ "$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$o $$$o$$o$ "$$$$$$o$ o$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$o $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ """$$$ "$$$""""$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$ $$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "$$$o o$$" $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$o $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" "$$$$$$ooooo$$$$o o$$$oooo$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ o$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$"$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$"""""""" """" $$$$ "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" o$$$ "$$$o """$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"$$" $$$ $$$o "$$""$$$$$$"""" o$$$ $$$$o o$$$" "$$$$o o$$$$$$o"$$$$o o$$$$ "$$$$$oo ""$$$$o$$$$$o o$$$$"" ""$$$$$oooo "$$$o$$$$$$$$$""" ""$$$$$$$oo $$$$$$$$$$ """"$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$" "$$$""
Fixed for ya ;)
MOST TERRIBLY AWESOME, PEPPERAMI!!!!!!
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:45:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Ceros X
Originally by: Entilzah Valen Don't be careless and use a grid load warp in next time.
Then maybe you'll actually get the grid to load.
*snip* Everyone is welcome to their opinion if expressed constructively. Don't tell other posters their opinion is not welcome. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Hmmmm?
From what I read and could gather they tried to warp directly to a jump bridge beacon anywhere from 100km to 0km as it was deployed in some mass orgy of internet spaceships, and then desynced and never came out of warp.
Welcome to EVE, this has been happening for years because players love! love! love! their numbers! numbers! numbers!
The servers cannot effectively support fights as large as this one ended up being. Coming to engage with such numbers is gambling and any competent force in EVE takes that into account before they take the plunge. Using a gridload gives you the opportunity to make it out with your ship's hull intact in the event that the hampsters die.
Once again, welcome to EVE. Things have been this way for the past four years, don't expect it to change anytime soon.
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Ceros X
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 02:53:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Ceros X
Originally by: Entilzah Valen Don't be careless and use a grid load warp in next time.
Then maybe you'll actually get the grid to load.
*snip* Everyone is welcome to their opinion if expressed constructively. Don't tell other posters their opinion is not welcome. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Hmmmm?
From what I read and could gather they tried to warp directly to a jump bridge beacon anywhere from 100km to 0km as it was deployed in some mass orgy of internet spaceships, and then desynced and never came out of warp.
Welcome to EVE, this has been happening for years because players love! love! love! their numbers! numbers! numbers!
The servers cannot effectively support fights as large as this one ended up being. Coming to engage with such numbers is gambling and any competent force in EVE takes that into account before they take the plunge. Using a gridload gives you the opportunity to make it out with your ship's hull intact in the event that the hampsters die.
Once again, welcome to EVE. Things have been this way for the past four years, don't expect it to change anytime soon.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:18:00 -
[354]
nope its still here Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Zumzat
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:26:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Entilzah ValenWelcome to EVE, this has been happening for years because players love! love! love! their numbers! numbers! numbers!
The servers cannot effectively support fights as large as this one ended up being. Coming to engage with such numbers is gambling and any competent force in EVE takes that into account before they take the plunge. Using a gridload gives you the opportunity to make it out with your ship's hull intact in the event that the hampsters die.
Once again, welcome to EVE. Things have been this way for the past four years, don't expect it to change anytime soon.[/quote
Episode 1. UNL gang of 100 members jumps into camped by 100 BOB system. Lags, UNL dies. Ok, I know, it's stupid to jump into blob-camped system with own blob. They have the system and grid already loaded. Episode 2. BOB gang of 100 members jumps into camped by 100 UNL system. Wtf, UNL lags and dies again? Omfg, just take a look, they change the primary every 20 seconds while own damage dealers are waiting for guns activation at first target. UNL's taken only for example. Same with RA, same with GS, same with TCF and all other coalition alliances.
And... have you ever seen BOB fleet warping at 300+ km to load the grid? I've never. Kinda funny... Do you really believe that's just a concurrence? Don't make me laugh, m8 :D
I understand why it looks like a "noobz-whining-drama-bomb" for BOB ordinary pilots and they keep singing "your-connection-sux" song and laugh at any statements on the matter, cuz they have no idea what really happens, as they dunno feel laggy. Yes, their FC took care of everything.
You guys look silly indeed. No offence.
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Black Jumper
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:51:00 -
[356]
Please, this is not an "Evil Bob" thread, no such message has originally been posted here. This post just concerns the almost global desynchronisation of present fleet in 6T3 before the jumpbridge.
Thanks
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Rauth Kivaro
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:09:00 -
[357]
Thread cleaned up a bit, and will be monitored for further infractions of the forum rules. Trolling, racial or ethnic slurs or mocking someone because of their nationality or perceived nationality will *not* be tolerated.
forum rules | [email protected] | Our Website
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Christopher Scott
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:45:00 -
[358]
*snip* Don't make such accusations on the forums. If you have evidence of dev or GM misconduct, email [email protected]. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) ------------------------------------ I support the following changes:
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Jonathan Peterbilt
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:51:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Zumzat
Originally by: Entilzah ValenWelcome to EVE, this has been happening for years because players love! love! love! their numbers! numbers! numbers!
The servers cannot effectively support fights as large as this one ended up being. Coming to engage with such numbers is gambling and any competent force in EVE takes that into account before they take the plunge. Using a gridload gives you the opportunity to make it out with your ship's hull intact in the event that the hampsters die.
Once again, welcome to EVE. Things have been this way for the past four years, don't expect it to change anytime soon.[/quote
Episode 1. UNL gang of 100 members jumps into camped by 100 BOB system. Lags, UNL dies. Ok, I know, it's stupid to jump into blob-camped system with own blob. They have the system and grid already loaded. Episode 2. BOB gang of 100 members jumps into camped by 100 UNL system. Wtf, UNL lags and dies again? Omfg, just take a look, they change the primary every 20 seconds while own damage dealers are waiting for guns activation at first target. UNL's taken only for example. Same with RA, same with GS, same with TCF and all other coalition alliances.
And... have you ever seen BOB fleet warping at 300+ km to load the grid? I've never. Kinda funny... Do you really believe that's just a concurrence? Don't make me laugh, m8 :D
I understand why it looks like a "noobz-whining-drama-bomb" for BOB ordinary pilots and they keep singing "your-connection-sux" song and laugh at any statements on the matter, cuz they have no idea what really happens, as they dunno feel laggy. Yes, their FC took care of everything.
You guys look silly indeed. No offence.
Hmm, I see your point. BOB is cheating right? How about fight in JV1V, coalition versus LV? 800 in local, 600 trying to login for hours including myself, and Red Alliance jumped in dread fleet, lag free - scratch LV capital shipyard and 1 titan in production. Please, all your insinuation about BOB or anyone else cheating is boring. If I were you and I felt that someone is taking advantage I would just move on and play another game and I would not make a post like this. You all really like to whine on the forums and accuse others of cheating to cover your own incompetence. Make smaller gangs, servers and networks are just not at the point we all want it to be and it cant support 500 + pilots fights lag free. Until then, train your skills because it is all about quality and not the quantity. 
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 04:56:00 -
[360]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 27/06/2007 05:00:54 While I don't believe for a second that technical difficulties were the sole reason for the way the conflict described went...
Desync has become a far more present problem since Rev II. When half of both fleets in a mere 40 ship total engagement desync, (which happened to us Sunday) something is wrong.
Now that said, I must repeat that I have rarely found the excuse of "lag/desync was the reason we lost" to hold any water whatsoever.
That the level of lag since rev II has been unacceptable and that it was the reason this or that battle was lost are two entirely different statements.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:01:00 -
[361]
I'm even starting to wonder if our fleet was not actually mostly desynched even before the fight begun, since we had about 150 people shooting the PoS. Since you can't fix this without logging out / back and it's not obvious to notice it when you're just standing around shooting pos...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:07:00 -
[362]
It seems that everything in EVE involving jump bridges or POSs automatically has insane lag.
Combine them, and it gets absurd.
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Ceros X
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:07:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 27/06/2007 05:00:54 While I don't believe for a second that technical difficulties were the sole reason for the way the conflict described went...
Desync has become a far more present problem since Rev II. When half of both fleets in a mere 40 ship total engagement desync, (which happened to us Sunday) something is wrong.
Now that said, I must repeat that I have rarely found the excuse of "lag/desync was the reason we lost" to hold any water whatsoever.
That the level of lag since rev II has been unacceptable and that it was the reason this or that battle was lost are two entirely different statements.
Repeatedly since Rev 2 we have had pilots desync in combat. In at least two situations, they didn't see a hostile gang at all - not just not on their overview, not "grid loading lag" - when the rest of the gang did, and died.
The funny thing about desynchronization is that it doesn't affect both sides equally, like lag does. You can't tell if your enemy is desynced.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:12:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Ceros X
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri While I don't believe for a second that technical difficulties were the sole reason for the way the conflict described went...
Desync has become a far more present problem since Rev II. When half of both fleets in a mere 40 ship total engagement desync, (which happened to us Sunday) something is wrong.
Now that said, I must repeat that I have rarely found the excuse of "lag/desync was the reason we lost" to hold any water whatsoever.
That the level of lag since rev II has been unacceptable and that it was the reason this or that battle was lost are two entirely different statements.
Repeatedly since Rev 2 we have had pilots desync in combat. In at least two situations, they didn't see a hostile gang at all - not just not on their overview, not "grid loading lag" - when the rest of the gang did, and died.
The funny thing about desynchronization is that it doesn't affect both sides equally, like lag does. You can't tell if your enemy is desynced.
Yup, desync seems to affect only one side, and its not even predictable like jump-in lag was. 
CCP really needs to get their act together and deal with this.
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jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:17:00 -
[365]
"Hey I know what we can do to improve server speed, remove all the error checking! noone ever complains about desyncs!"
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Love Juice
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:23:00 -
[366]
I had this issue happen to me in 0.0 over the weekend.
I was reimbursed just today.
What happened? I warped into a hostile fleet, saw nothing, yet I could easily rotate my view... seemingly making me think I went to the wrong moon. But no, after a few mins of trying to move, checking exactly where I was... I began taking damage. Clear as day, my shield going down. I hit my boosters, but I couldn't see anyone to lock anyone. I can't fight back! I'm fighting blank space! I launched my drones... not sure what they did. And after another few minutes of *****ing, I sat around in a smoking ship for 5 mins, until I turned up in a pod, where I was then able to warp out 5 mins later to atleast save that.
However, before I warped out... *poof*... the hostile icons pop up. Great, that wasn't lag, I don't mind dying from lag... what I had was without a doubt unfair and plain bad for this game. Dying before you even see the enemy? That's a big boo-boo for the devs. This whole de-sync issue.. or whatever... its a HUGE problem. For now I wont get close to large fleet battles again. Its just not worth it.
My advice, petition it... I got my ship. No reason why you shouldnt get yours. Its not a fight if you can't counter them... if you can't see them! If you can't act and react to a physical object, what's the point?
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:24:00 -
[367]
I like how all the BoB Trolling and smack trolling was removed from the thread... o wait..
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Tyrus Ex
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:25:00 -
[368]

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Aleksey NB
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:27:00 -
[369]
Some people have lags and some people haven't let's discuss. What we know: we know that CCP have 2 cisco load balancing devices(QoS policy). we know that Bob's haven't any lags in any battle. we know that all other people have big lags in fleet(and even in small) battle with Bobs. we know that ISP's connected to CCP can use QoS policy for some ip addresses.
Next question: why some people have lags and some doesn't have it?
Answer: QoS policy But the question is where in CCP cisco routers or ISP's side. This question need to investigate.... but no one from CCP need that or don't want.
1.QoS policy can be changed remotely in any time (in the right time when some right people begin to fight) and nobody couldn't investigate but one chance when that battle begins. 2.In QoS you can make access-list for some people that have high priority(just for right people) but other people may doesn't receive any packets from server 3.There's no any server problems in that case because the server is working fine (for right people). That is why all petitions rejected. 4.May be there's some game balance issue that petitions when you lose your ship in that lags from Bob's rejected in any case. I don't know...
ps: That is my own suggestions, because of my real life job. I can do all that i describe on any of my cisco routers and nobody doesn't learn about it. pss: sorry for my english
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Horror Master
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:29:00 -
[370]
/signed
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Vandalzzz
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:32:00 -
[371]
/signed
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jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:38:00 -
[372]
Edited by: jeffb on 27/06/2007 05:37:48 The only reason BoB didn't have the same issue as everyone else in system did is because... they weren't in system when the server went to ****. They jumpbridged in after, whether the jumpbridge was the actual cause of the issues or not, and thanks to the session change had 100% synced and fresh clients.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:46:00 -
[373]
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 27/06/2007 05:49:12 Ythe game is broken. Take Jita for example. I undock from 4-4 :) and do a warp to gate, but nothing occurs. Then I do warp again and it says I'm in warp already although the ship is still shown near the station. It turns out that the client didn't know what is actually happening with my ship. In fact, the ship was at the gate, but it was shown as if it's near the station. Finally I've done some warping around the system (while still "being at station"), and relogged. Upon logging in I have warped to where I expected to be - at 100km from some gate...
So yeah I guess any battle is a joke with this kind of bugs. CCP should immediately fix this ****.
And btw this new kind of lag seems to be a new "feature" of Rev2, hence IMO it's a new bug and the losses should be reimbursed.
PS I am not an alliance or corp player, however I am posting this while the thread is still in General Discussion, so excuse me in advance if this gets moved to CAOD.
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Gikanzin
Minmatar White Nova Industries Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:50:00 -
[374]
403th in a epic thread
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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:56:00 -
[375]
Originally by: jeffb Edited by: jeffb on 27/06/2007 05:37:48 The only reason BoB didn't have the same issue as everyone else in system did is because... they weren't in system when the server went to ****. They jumpbridged in after, whether the jumpbridge was the actual cause of the issues or not, and thanks to the session change had 100% synced and fresh clients.
omg the world must be coming to an end 
Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true |

Aridia Parker
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:57:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 27/06/2007 01:52:49 First, you blob (coz you only fight when the odds are 3 to 1), second you lag the game and make it impossible to play, third you all die because of blobbing and then, you whine on the forums. You and your friends (Goons,CA etc etc) introduced blob/zerg tactics to EVE and now you blame CCP for it?! Just funny... I guess since Titans have been nerfed, the only thing you should be whining about on the forums to be nerfed is BOB. If not, you will quit the game... 
Sorry to disappoint you but blob wars where there since the beginning of the game. I remember sitting in a 100 ship fleet vs. 20 moo ships in fountain nearly lagging to death in my caracal. In those days 100+ ships in one system could crash server nodes.
Those where the days...
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 05:58:00 -
[377]
the only issues I have ever had with this game are related to my hardware
BoB is using superior hardware to win by attrition!
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:00:00 -
[378]
Here's what i think of this thread..
Change 'coad' to 'any sort of thread that turns into this kind of ***'
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:01:00 -
[379]
Originally by: Obidios Can i have your stuff?
OH, WAIT... you lost it.
I think that account is cursed, he's lost like 7 carriers now, always when they outnumber us no less. Loved killing you in the MM wars, and now in the Eve War (or whatever this weeks name for it is). Please stay, I need the loot.
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Cerberal
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:02:00 -
[380]
*Please note before reading that I was not in this battle*
My opinions on the situation.
TCF (the alliance I am in) should not be reimbursed for ships, to be honest... if your going to fly a ship (or ships) be prepared to lose them, to fairplay....or to server issues which will happen when you increase a system's players to the amount seen in jita.
At the same time, BoB members posting on this forum really do not need to smack/put down TCF members who are apparently upset at such a large loss, and certainly should not be bringing race into the issue. Yes, a few members of BoB and TCF may have already insulted one another, but for those of you that are still reading instead of posting... do not jump on that bandwagon. It does not make you a better person, it merely causes more anger among many people.
This is one days loss, there will be many more days, some won...some lost. Ultimately this is a game, and we should play in it...not hurt each other's feelings or dignity due to mistakes or misfortune.
That is all I have to say.
~Cerberal
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jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:07:00 -
[381]
Originally by: Richard Aiel omg the world must be coming to an end 
what
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:07:00 -
[382]
I think it's a sad state of affairs when game issues resolve who wins a fight, and not the players, skills, and ships involved.
Because then we're no longer playing the game, we're just watching things unfold, and cannot do anything about it. "Oh great, I can't activate my modules... so I'm losing this ship without a fighting chance".
CCP, fix your game. And until then advertise: "OUR GAME CANNOT SUPPORT LARGE FLEET FIGHTS, PARTICIPATE IN THESE AT YOUR OWN RISK".
- Recruitment open again-
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Horror Master
Aeria Gloris Inc United Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:08:00 -
[383]
When bob jump was reported on TS picture froze for like 5 minutes. And i was 2 jumpes away from 6t. then it is started to move, but still 2-3 minutes to actiate scanner/open cargo/speed change.
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Xeris
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:15:00 -
[384]
Originally by: torN Deception
Originally by: Natsuki so basically the point of this thread is:
When bob desyncs (shrike kill) it is a 100% completely legit kill. (and we didn't care)
when goons/tcf/ra desync it is OMG OMG SKY FALLING CONSPIRACIES DEV HAX.
freaking hypocrites. *snip*
Now, I know you're in DICE, which is the bush league of BoB, but even you should realize that your alliance's leader and former pilot of said titan has said that he did not desync.
Damn, are you guys already taking pages out of Cryvoks book? After all, it worked very well for him and ascn didn't it.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:16:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Aleksey NB Some people have lags and some people haven't let's discuss. What we know: we know that CCP have 2 cisco load balancing devices(QoS policy). we know that Bob's haven't any lags in any battle. we know that all other people have big lags in fleet(and even in small) battle with Bobs. we know that ISP's connected to CCP can use QoS policy for some ip addresses.
Next question: why some people have lags and some doesn't have it?
Answer: QoS policy But the question is where in CCP cisco routers or ISP's side. This question need to investigate.... but no one from CCP need that or don't want.
1.QoS policy can be changed remotely in any time (in the right time when some right people begin to fight) and nobody couldn't investigate but one chance when that battle begins. 2.In QoS you can make access-list for some people that have high priority(just for right people) but other people may doesn't receive any packets from server 3.There's no any server problems in that case because the server is working fine (for right people). That is why all petitions rejected. 4.May be there's some game balance issue that petitions when you lose your ship in that lags from Bob's rejected in any case. I don't know...
ps: That is my own suggestions, because of my real life job. I can do all that i describe on any of my cisco routers and nobody doesn't learn about it. pss: sorry for my english
Wow.
Compare and contrast this and this/this. If those Ciscos can do app-layer filtering so advanced that they're pulling out the login names of accounts in an end-to-end encrypted tunnel and cross-referencing it with the game database to determine what alliance they're in, and doing all that in real time... let's just say I want to know who is programming CCP's Ciscos, so I can hire them.
Your theory is amusing, but doesn't hold the least bit of water. Sorry.
--P
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Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:21:00 -
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EVE-ONLINE CISCO IS FOR BOB -----------------------------------
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Gerome Doutrande
Rue Morgue
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:22:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Kayosoni
EVE-ONLINE CISCO IS FOR BOB
stop stealing my lines! 
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:23:00 -
[388]
Edited by: LUH 3471 on 27/06/2007 06:23:16 i dont know if i should either laugh or cry prolly laugh 
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Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:25:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Gikanzin 403th in a epic thread
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Chowdown
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:28:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Dark Shikari It seems that everything in EVE involving jump bridges or POSs automatically has insane lag.
Combine them, and it gets absurd.
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Naskaya
Elegance Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:30:00 -
[391]
Edited by: Naskaya on 27/06/2007 06:33:23 Theories of BoB cheating are ridiculous.
That doesn't change the fact that yesterday, most of us died without being able to shoot back or even view opponents. It could have happened to BoB, and i guess they wouldn't be happy to lose their 100 BS faction fitted while seeing nothing in overview.
Anyway, i'm off with the blobs. I've always been upset by fleet more than 50 peoples. Elegance is known for enjoying small gangs, max 20 people. No more fleet fight for me, i'm not paying EVE for this kind of experience.
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Chowdown
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:33:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Dark Shikari It seems that everything in EVE involving jump bridges or POSs automatically has insane lag.
Combine them, and it gets absurd.
LOL, the jump bridge caused no more lag than attempting to jump through the gate would of. The difference is of course there was no Large bubble waiting on the jump bridge. The system was laggy as hell before we even attempted to jump in, the several cyno characters that were opperating in the 6t3i to provide the bridge, were locking up for long periods. It took a fair while to even get the cyno down in the first place.
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Calroon De'Vil
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:35:00 -
[393]
The Alliance Leader has spoken, gief back ships now. Good stuff, posting in a legendary thread  |

jackson3000
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:37:00 -
[394]
signed
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:38:00 -
[395]
Originally by: Naskaya Edited by: Naskaya on 27/06/2007 06:33:23 Theories of BoB cheating are ridiculous.
That doesn't change the fact that yesterday, most of us died without being able to shoot back or even view opponents. It could have happened to BoB, and i guess they wouldn't be happy to lose their 100 BS faction fitted while seeing nothing in overview.
Anyway, i'm off with the blobs. I've always been upset by fleet more than 50 peoples. Elegance is known for enjoying small gangs, max 20 people. No more fleet fight for me, i'm not paying EVE for this kind of experience.
1) Discussion of lag/desynch: Fine, discuss it all you want and you might get a good result from it too.
2) Whining you want to be reimbursed or you quit: Epic failure.
Now look back at who started nr 2 and ask yourself how this thread came to be this way.
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Manta Avoid
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:47:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Aleksey NB Some people have lags and some people haven't let's discuss. What we know: we know that CCP have 2 cisco load balancing devices(QoS policy). we know that Bob's haven't any lags in any battle. we know that all other people have big lags in fleet(and even in small) battle with Bobs. we know that ISP's connected to CCP can use QoS policy for some ip addresses.
Next question: why some people have lags and some doesn't have it?
Answer: QoS policy But the question is where in CCP cisco routers or ISP's side. This question need to investigate.... but no one from CCP need that or don't want.
1.QoS policy can be changed remotely in any time (in the right time when some right people begin to fight) and nobody couldn't investigate but one chance when that battle begins. 2.In QoS you can make access-list for some people that have high priority(just for right people) but other people may doesn't receive any packets from server 3.There's no any server problems in that case because the server is working fine (for right people). That is why all petitions rejected. 4.May be there's some game balance issue that petitions when you lose your ship in that lags from Bob's rejected in any case. I don't know...
ps: That is my own suggestions, because of my real life job. I can do all that i describe on any of my cisco routers and nobody doesn't learn about it. pss: sorry for my english
Wow.
Compare and contrast this and this/this. If those Ciscos can do app-layer filtering so advanced that they're pulling out the login names of accounts in an end-to-end encrypted tunnel and cross-referencing it with the game database to determine what alliance they're in, and doing all that in real time... let's just say I want to know who is programming CCP's Ciscos, so I can hire them.
Your theory is amusing, but doesn't hold the least bit of water. Sorry.
--P
LOL!!
Throwing back Certificate III IT notes back at him, that's just nasty 
Still, his english is pretty good ^-^ A pity about the lag tho, but these things happen when you have 250+ connections to add an additional 100+ streams to *each* - Personally, I blame your ISP 
And mine too. gosh it's laggy.
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Aleksey NB
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:48:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Pilk Wow.
Compare and contrast this and this/this. If those Ciscos can do app-layer filtering so advanced that they're pulling out the login names of accounts in an end-to-end encrypted tunnel and cross-referencing it with the game database to determine what alliance they're in, and doing all that in real time... let's just say I want to know who is programming CCP's Ciscos, so I can hire them.
Your theory is amusing, but doesn't hold the least bit of water. Sorry.
--P
I mean only Internet and Network layer in my post. That is enough to do what i mean. QoS working on that layers. We just need to know ip addresses(i.e. 99.99.99.99/32) or network addresses(99.99.98.0/23) where the 'right' people is situated. Just one network capturer on ISP or CCP side can give you full picture of network traffic. Some cisco devices can do application layer like cisco ASA or cisco PIX but only for standard protocols (i.e. HTTP, FTP etc.) with some restrictions.
You mean that some people have VPN access inside CCP network ? And using this they login to the game in the LAN CCP where's the all servers is situated... Interesting point... I think devs and gm's must have that access i.e. for up the crashed node from his home. And VPN access must be with High priority in QoS policy on cisco devices in CCP.
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:53:00 -
[398]
I've read every comment and here's what I've come away with.
TCF were having a mighty fun time killing a pos in a 270 man fleet.
Bob came in.
The 270 TCF fleet lagged and desynched not being able to do anything.
BoB did laggggg but not to the point of being unable to play.
Bob proceeded to then destroy the TCF fleet while they could relatively do nothing, some of them logged off to hopefully avoid getting killed while they could do nothing.
BoB lost 4 ships.
People can draw there own conclusions from that. lol
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Gozmoth
Amarr Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:55:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Littleluk Lag= slow target locks, slow modules, slow overview etc.
Desync= it NEVER updates, your client doesnt move, your overview continues to show the info from when you desynced.
A couple of obvious things from the thread. Lag is the same for both sides sorta. BOB jumped in and were lagged. TCF warped to engage the enemy and desynced. This means a good portion of TCF could only regain control of their ships by relogging or reconnectiong after they crashed. This also means that the BOB who came in the second jumpbridge were lagged and could, after a reasonable delay, lock and kill ships. Obviously TCF did not ever regain synchronization to their clients. Fairly annoying when your the person who cant do anything about it.
That's it. And that why we are asking for rembursement . Lag is a thing, desync is another.
The saddest thing about this is Eve starts to have a bad reputation with these issues worldwide.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department

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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:58:00 -
[400]
Lokcing this to avoid trolling and futher accusations; please use this threadto discuss it in; and keep it on the civil level that has prevailed in there. It's ok to discuss server-performance; it is NOT ok to troll, and "Can I have your stuff" is in no way constructive in such a thread.
Any issues related to cheating or other forms of misconduct/special treatment should either be petitioned to the GMs or forwarded to the IA-department.
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Vile rat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:58:00 -
[401]
This thread is an abortion but here's what happened to me in that battle.
Fleet warped and engaged a smaller force. We were aware of the jump bridging and and chose to engage anyways. At first my modules responded fine and I was engaging a hostile target, but then while my attack messages continued my modules stopped responding. Gang chat was fine and things appeared normal, but something was very wrong. I changed my crystals to short range but it just gave the icons that show an in progress ammo change. Meanwhile ships were flying around and doing things but my ship would not respond to movement commands and the weapons remained in ammo change mode. On TS virtually everybody was reporting similar problems and nobody was able to target or engage successfully. It was as if our whole fleet were "turned off" for lack of a better term. Not to go all nerd on everybody but it reminded me of the Bstar galactica pilot episode where the whole fleet was just disabled and the cylons just went all happy on them.
It sat like that completely unresponsive until I started taking damage messages (and damage was appearing at a normal rate as if I were normally engaged) and eventually popped. Once I popped my pod was 100% responsive in sharp contrast with my poor lost geddon but unfortunately since my pod wasn't armed the battle for me was over
So yeah. Something was very very wrong in that fight and this is the 3rd time since rev 2 that something similar happened to me and the other two times it wasn't even a battle, just cruising around a nearly empty system so I don't know.
From what I can tell every ship that was in system before the jump bridge occured pretty much broke on the spot whereas the ships that jumped in while lagged, were responsive and they mopped up the larger force with little to no resistance.
Anybody claiming that this was somehow a cheat or an exploit is just plain stupid but anybody claiming that this was normal lag is unfortunately wrong. Something has really been broken in rev 2 and it's causing some fairly serious problems.
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Original Species
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Posted - 2007.06.27 06:59:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Chowdown
Originally by: Dark Shikari It seems that everything in EVE involving jump bridges or POSs automatically has insane lag.
Combine them, and it gets absurd.
LOL, the jump bridge caused no more lag than attempting to jump through the gate would of. The difference is of course there was no Large bubble waiting on the jump bridge. The system was laggy as hell before we even attempted to jump in, the several cyno characters that were opperating in the 6t3i to provide the bridge, were locking up for long periods. It took a fair while to even get the cyno down in the first place.
Well then theres the real question.....If you knew it was SO LAGGY, why would you risk your fleet against overwelming odds ?
You would think after losing your Titan that making fool hardy decisions such as risking the loss of your fleet to lag would have promted most of you to think otherwise..
Unless ofcourse your FC knew in advance a good majority of the right pilots would suffer no lag...
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