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PalmerEldritch	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:13:00 - [301] I was charmed into eve by reading battle reports of epic engagements between fleets with huge numbers of ships involved, from small frigates up to dreadnaughts and beyond. Thats why I've stuck this game out for the 5 or 6 months i've been playing so that one day I can hopefully experience the "eve end game" of major alliance warfare, but now that I have read stuff like this: Quote: Everyone gets the lag, it's who ever can deal with it better wins. it really really depresses me. This game would be hands down one of the absolutely most fun games i've ever played if the client problems were at all manageable. The idea that you could basically partake in Star Wars scale battles (that actually had consequences) essentially day in and day out sold me on this game, but seeing first hand what happens when you have ~250 people in a system at one time and being on the receiving end of desynchs really makes you ask yourself what makes this game fun? Quote: Really, I love how EVERYONE is beating the dead horse of 300 vs 100 to death... Like ANYONE.... ANYONE goes for a "fair" fight in this game... there is NO such thing. This is EVE... Anyone that says they're looking for a "good" fight or a "fair" fight is seriously lying to themselves... If this werent true, all the pirates would be running around in small groups or solo in non t2 frigates with non t2 fittings because fighting ppl like that would be a "challenge" not this hundred plus blobs of uber t2 ships with full t2 loadouts... I even say a guy with a sig that summed this up perfectly the other day: "If Im in a fair fight Ive done something horribly wrong". This needs to be repeated over and over. I see eve not really as a game but as a sci-fi galaxy sim where the world is cold and unforgiving especially so with space combat. The fact of the matter is that bringing superior firepower and superior numbers to a battle should NOT be what LOSES you battles.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:14:00 - [302] What Id like to know is there the moderators are today... I know emails have been pouring out about this thread since it started but NO moderation... Irony: Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true Dark Shikari> Keep saying it itll come true
Shides Darkheart	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:15:00 - [303] Edited by: Shides Darkheart on 27/06/2007 00:14:59 God, i've never seen such a bunch of whining idiots in an alliance before. All this crying and moaning is really quite sad. Sounds like you are a bunch of sore losers. You lost a fleet engagement, first thing you do is cry BoBHaxCCPSploitz and when everyone laughs in your face you then compare CCP to the Na zi Germany. What a pathetic bunch of players, go ahead and quit, we are better off without you.
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:16:00 - [304] I wanted to come here for a laff too .. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Ryouko Asakura	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:17:00 - [305] Originally by: Shides Darkheart Edited by: Shides Darkheart on 27/06/2007 00:14:59 God, i've never seen such a bunch of whining idiots in an alliance before. All this crying and moaning is really quite sad. Sounds like you are a bunch of sore losers. You lost a fleet engagement, first thing you do is cry BoBHaxCCPSploitz and when everyone laughs in your face you then compare CCP to the Na zi Germany. What a pathetic bunch of players, go ahead and quit, we are better off without you. Psst. You seem to be posting from an alt, rather than your BoB character. ^-^
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:18:00 - [306] Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 00:22:36 well this is what we have come to expect in the forums your going to hate on a group that has the balls to jump 150 people into 250? dont play the desync card no one belives you but i guess this is the only place you can vent your rage cause you sure aren't hurting on us tranquility flame on r-tards If babies were not meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be hibachi sized.
Natsuki Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:19:00 - [307] btw, I don't understand why you TCF guys think you would have won the fight anyway, with FCs like this: Result of TCF gang warp ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
fuze	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:20:00 - [308] Remember JV1V siege? Now the shoe is on the other foot.
LaCoHa The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:23:00 - [309] Originally by: Scavok Only BoB could think they could jump 100 people into 250 people and only lose 4 ships in a legitimate fight Yeah, that sums it up. You guys did win.. but come on.
Ztrain Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:25:00 - [310] Originally by: Bistot Kid I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a system locked down, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I looked around. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, over the whole system. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end... This post made my day! Z General George S. Patton, "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:27:00 - [311] Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA
Evil Bonzi Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:33:00 - [312] Originally by: fuze Remember JV1V siege? Now the shoe is on the other foot. JV1V you would have gotten your ass handed to ya regardless of the node crash. RedTCFSwarm + allies had over 1000 ships ready to jump into the system, you had ~200 if I recall correctly (correct me if I'm wrong). Honestly the BoB here bragging and insulting the TCF here should be ashamed of themselves. I'm disgusted.
fafa2365 A.L.E.X.I.S Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:34:00 - [313] Ok, i can see that you don't know what is the problem. No matter, i will post soon a nice video with a wonderfull desynk problem, same day, same region, same hostiles, only 3 hours later Maybe you will be able to understand why some pilotes don't want to fight like this
sapage1 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:35:00 - [314] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie... Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency? Your Sig is great but we are not allowed to let you have it....
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 - [315] Originally by: sapage1 Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie... Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency? No, no one is blaming you for shooting. Also, it's not lag. It's desynch. It's a totally different issue.
John Caldr	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 - [316] Edited by: John Caldr on 27/06/2007 00:35:19 Band... hm... since the support did fight and titan did fight all the time (you do have killboard, right?) - it must be the new kind of desync. the type of desync we never heard of. 40 mins of lags in desync where EVE spirits locked the targets and fired cannons. so, please, keep lag stories for noobs.
Evil Bonzi Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:36:00 - [317] Originally by: sapage1 Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie... Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency? He's not saying that he would have stopped shooting, but he wouldn't come to the forums yelling "AHAHA U GOTPWNED WE R SO GOOD U SUCK"
Shides Darkheart	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:38:00 - [318] Originally by: Evil Bonzi Originally by: sapage1 Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:27:20 Real World Logic: This 300 man fleet isn't shooting back! They must be desynched. BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA I love logic like this... If it was the other way around would have you stopped shooting? Come on don't lie... Btw can we stop with the desynced crap and just call it latency? He's not saying that he would have stopped shooting, but he wouldn't come to the forums yelling "AHAHA U GOTPWNED WE R SO GOOD U SUCK" But they would.
Zerg Defiler Caldari Zerg Hive	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:38:00 - [319] Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP u understand ?
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:39:00 - [320] Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:38:30 Originally by: Zerg Defiler Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP u understand ? I don't think anyone can understand what you just wrote.
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:41:00 - [321] Your alliance must be proud of you if you quit over one battle.
Evil Bonzi Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:45:00 - [322] Originally by: Xeliya This just made my day Did Chow quit when LV lost the Titan because of lag? No! Did he cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! BoB couldn't get dictors off Shrike because 90% of their support got De-synced, did they cry about it? No! Did they petition it? No! Did Dian cry when he lost his Aeon to De-sync? No! Every fight with 300+ pilots you go into you know there WILL BE LAG. Take the lose like a man and go back out on the field. Sorry just so sick of seeing people crying that the lag made them lose and they will quit if CCP doesn't return their ships. Everyone gets the lag, it's who ever can deal with it better wins. When LV lost their titan, they not only petitioned, but they accused GM sunshine and another GM of being on Goonswarm in a public letter. And this was the leadership Mr Sp0ck I believe
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:45:00 - [323] oop dont backtalk this guy he'll get you fired! moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game The NECROMASTER
hass Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:46:00 - [324] Can I have your space ?
JADE DRAG0NESS Minmatar Night Hawks	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:47:00 - [325] Originally by: Natsuki Prove I cheated Whats the point when your MS 'friends' support you "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:52:00 - [326] Not associated with either side, there is an aweful lot of whining, however, laying waste to 100 ships in 10 min...something is not being told. Either the lag was worse for the loser side, or the loser side had a bunch of low skill tech 1 sub battleship vessels vs. lots of tech 2 capital ships. Can anyone clarify if TCF had smaller ships mostly? Or was it statistically about the same number of large ships and small ships. _______________________________________________ It is people like the OPer which cause MMO games to suck because they have that "the grass is greener on the other side" syndrome so developers s
Tacid	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:54:00 - [327] Originally by: John Caldr Lags started just after the Cyno and few ships jumped in. Not a big difference from 300 local. After this we DO SAW local increasing but we were not able to move. So - we DO had a link to the server. And at the same we DO had lags and sme of us desync. While getting damage, loosing ships and knowing someone fights us from TS. Interesting issue. Relogin (and we all know what a relogin do to a tuned fleet wtih adjusted gangs) took about 15 mins. Including hangup WITHOUT ANY TCP/IP or UDP RESPONSE from the server for about 13 mins (while any other my char could enter the game even in Jita) After the warp (almost immidiately!) I started to get damage (with nothing in overview). And at this moment I see an Insurance mail for my ship and at the same time .... my ship. Just before I was going to explode, Game freeze a silent moment before death. After some time, about 150 ships appear in overview. They are still here like ghosts. But I see TCP pockets are coming from EVE server. So it is an ingame issue and not a result of fighting, its too easy to fire at sitting ducks that unable to response. I dont think that the lag, desync and disconnect are a part of the game. Since "Lagging or desyncing online" is not a game I'm purchasing each month for few accounts. It should be about skills and not the fact who is closer to the EVE server. Really. BOBs - you did not had a chance in fair fight. At least you would not be able to get less damage then deal. Focus owns. Practice of knowning ingame mechanic is called metagaming. i do not know what type of fun you have by killing sitting ducks, but this type of fun sucks. /signed I saw lags in EVE before in fleet battles. There was lags in 6T without BOB too, no so much but annoying (strong lag was only when jumping in system, like 2-3 min without any client reaction - just JUMPING IN). But when cyno opens and some BOB jumped in... that was not like lag, that was something I had never seen before - client just freeze. I believe BOB was in lag too - they jump in the system with about 250 players in it, but not freeze like we got. I warped to cyno but never moved, 7 minutes in open space where u see nothing and client react nothing - just chat works, u can say allies "OMG WTF?!". There was no lags in chat. When relogin (20 minutes I was looking in black screen with login bar "entering in system") I find myself where I was before warping...
Israfil	Posted - 2007.06.27 00:59:00 - [328] Originally by: Eskalin Edited by: Eskalin on 27/06/2007 00:22:36 dont play the desync card no one belives you but i guess this is the only place you can vent your rage cause you sure aren't hurting on us tranquility flame on r-tards Yep some BoB members played that lag/desync card on your titan loss too
Zerg Defiler Zerg Hive	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:08:00 - [329] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 27/06/2007 00:38:30 Originally by: Zerg Defiler Originally by: Bu Jinkan BoB Logic: I AM HARDCORE I KILLED A WHOLE FLEET BOOYA hmm.. i think, they havent any logic... see, they cant win legal now, when titans nerfed, they have only 1 hope - "lag-generator", if CCP disable that generator - they lose, very fast ... so, if they lost - whos will be another side against southern coalition ? its roleplay by CCP u understand ? I don't think anyone can understand what you just wrote. are u sure ?
Barkode Fourth Dimension	Posted - 2007.06.27 01:15:00 - [330] Lag is ever present for everyone. The side that learns to deal with it first is the side that will be the victor. The side that comes to the forums to complain will fail first. Stop metagaming and start dealing with it like everyone else. Or quit, your kind seems to be good at that through the centuries.

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