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Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:26:00 - [121] Edited by: Morreia on 03/07/2007 18:26:10 Meh, I had to log onto my account, have alot of kill mails to look through and was fun arguing with you before hand. I don't keep kill boards by the way (never see the point) so asking for that is kinda pointless. Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again.
Jacko21 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:26:00 - [122] Originally by: Morreia Meh, I had to log onto my account, have alot of kill mails to look through and was fun arguing with you before hand. I don't keep kill boards by the way (never see the point) so asking for that is kinda pointless. LOL this guy *****s me up ]
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:27:00 - [123] I once killed a vaga with a pre buff hawk. I challenge all of you to a pie eating contest.
Cpt Branko Guardian Heroes	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:30:00 - [124] Morreia, please stop trolling. Anyway, the OP was asking about techniques for flying a vagabond, can anyone actually stay on topic and reply to the poor man?
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:31:00 - [125] Originally by: Cpt Branko Morreia, please stop trolling. Anyway, the OP was asking about techniques for flying a vagabond, can anyone actually stay on topic and reply to the poor man? I did try but look at what happened.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:35:00 - [126] Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again. Parlez-Vous Anglais? Originally by: Morreia I did try but look at what happened. Right. Summary: 1. You post bull****. 2. You spam. 3. You try to boast e-peen about how uber you are. 4. You fail, and get laughed at by everyone. 5. You fake a killmail after 3 days :D 6. You are still laughed at by everyone. Congratulations, you are a clown :) EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:41:00 - [127] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:40:05 Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again. fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail gtfo already... EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Ryysa Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again. Parlez-Vous Anglais? Oui. Originally by: Ryysa Summary: 1. You post bull**. 2. You spam. 3. You try to boast e-peen about how uber you are. 4. You fail, and get laughed at by everyone. 5. You fake a killmail after 3 days :D 6. You are still laughed at by everyone. Congratulations, you are a clown :) 1. I didn't post bull**. 2. I didn't spam anymore than anyone else here 3. If you say so 4. Meh w/e 5. Was hoping comunity may actually belive someones word but obviously not 6. Meh w/e
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:43:00 - [129] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:42:24 Originally by: Morreia 5. Was hoping comunity may actually belive someones word but obviously not Community doesn't believe self-imposed wannabe lunatics, sorry :) Also, the bull**** factor is off the scale, you said your crow can survive 5 wrecking hits from a vagabond, that you can solo vagabonds, shall I go on? EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:43:00 - [130] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:40:05 Originally by: Morreia Also another thing which will stop me attacking someone is if they have killed many crows setup similar to mine and I know it/they can prove it which kinda counts out ryysa again. fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail gtfo already... Gasp, like 3 crows and 3 solo kills on the whole list.

Lance Tyr Minmatar Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:44:00 - [131] Edited by: Lance Tyr on 03/07/2007 18:43:24 This thread is totally off topic now....
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:44:00 - [132] Well, you are free to check my other ~2000 kills. You haven't killed anything, just died, at least judging from google. No alt excuse, if this is not your main, post with your main or stfu. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:45:00 - [133] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:42:24 Originally by: Morreia 5. Was hoping comunity may actually belive someones word but obviously not Community doesn't believe self-imposed wannabe lunatics, sorry :) Also, the bull**** factor is off the scale, you said your crow can survive 5 wrecking hits from a vagabond, that you can solo vagabonds, shall I go on? So much for never resulting to personal insults and I never said 5 at once. I'm not even sure I said 5... wasn't it 3 or 4?
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:45:00 - [134] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 18:46:34 Originally by: Lance Tyr Edited by: Lance Tyr on 03/07/2007 18:43:20 This thread is totally off topic now.... Yup, and I'm done here, pointless to talk to someone who just doesn't want to lay off the acid :P He should just go back to /b/ tbh. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.07.03 18:46:00 - [135] I'm sorry but I've actually fallen off my chair with laughter now.
Nakasari RnD Services	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:02:00 - [136] Dont understand why you will not post with your main are is it because you have made a total fool of yourself so far?
Guyutti	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:04:00 - [137] There is a reason why he is in a corp by himself for almost a year lol.
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:04:00 - [138] Come on you can do it, one link, like this http://awm.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=811 I know its been a while, been on a hiatus from the game but I bet finnegan remembers the fight because he convo'd me after it asking if I had a tracking disrupter on my jag. I'm pretty sure any vaga pilot getting solo killed by a crow will remember the fight, so you go ahead and post your mail with the victim listed so people can go hey did you ever get solo killed by a crow? Believe me, it'll be memorable enough.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:06:00 - [139] Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 19:05:19 Well, there is also a raven on that mail... And err, that's one of the most horrible setups I've ever seen on the vagabond, the guy most likely was a total idiot :) And even if he was, I doubt you would've killed him solo with your jag. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:07:00 - [140] Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 03/07/2007 19:07:55 Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 03/07/2007 19:05:19 Well, there is also a raven on that mail... And err, that's one of the most horrible setups I've ever seen on the vagabond, the guy most likely was a total idiot :) And even if he was, I doubt you would've killed him solo with your jag. I posted earlier man, go read up a few posts :P I was just trying to help Morreia so she could see how to post a kill mail :) here to make it easier Link

Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:10:00 - [141] I didn't mean it offensively. I remember posting you about it earlier hehe, just wanted to underline it. Sorry if you took it as flaming or something. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Zak Kingsman A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:12:00 - [142] nope, just posting to emphasize that HE would remember me cause I was a jag that he didnt just vaporize, I guarantee someone who got SOLOD by a frig is gonna remember it.
Guyutti	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:15:00 - [143] K Ryysa ive been watching this thread for some input from you as i no your good. Start the tips and lets get this thread back online.
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:22:00 - [144] Tbh, regarding tips, there's not too much. There are acouple of rules... 1. Don't get webbed! This can be slightly harder now, since there is an option to overload webs. Make sure you keep your distance at all times. Add ship types to your overview, and watch for minmatar recons (hugins, rapiers). 2. Watch your cap This is just as important as not getting webbed, you don't want to be stuck with no cap. Watch your cap at all times, if you are getting nosed, burst your MWD and get out while you still have cap. 3. No point to fight EW A vagabond has very low sensor strength/locking range, if you see any Dampening/Jamming ships, just leave and find something else, you'll most likely get permajammed and killed afterwards. 4. Navigation A lot of people don't realize that you don't orbit with mwd on all the time with a vagabond. You shieldtank, meaning you use MWD to get to your target and away from your target. Don't burn your MWD too much and make your guns miss all the time. Also, if you are escaping from your target, make sure you mwd burst towards a warpable object, so that if you need to warp out, you can instantly do so, and not wait until you VERY slowly turn around and get killed. Other than this, keep 18-19 km range, f1...f5 (or f1..f6 if you have corpum nos). I like the huginn more than the vagabond though, it has great resistance to EW and 40km webbing range with normal webbers (at recon 5). The downsides are that it's slower, uses three weapon systems like a mini typhoon and does about 50 less dps than the vagabond. EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Akashyi	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:36:00 - [145] Originally by: Ryysa Tbh, regarding tips, there's not too much. There are acouple of rules... 1. STAY AWAY FROM CROWS! 2. Don't get webbed! This can be slightly harder now, since there is an option to overload webs. Make sure you keep your distance at all times. Add ship types to your overview, and watch for minmatar recons (hugins, rapiers). 3. Watch your cap This is just as important as not getting webbed, you don't want to be stuck with no cap. Watch your cap at all times, if you are getting nosed, burst your MWD and get out while you still have cap. 4. No point to fight EW A vagabond has very low sensor strength/locking range, if you see any Dampening/Jamming ships, just leave and find something else, you'll most likely get permajammed and killed afterwards. 5. Navigation A lot of people don't realize that you don't orbit with mwd on all the time with a vagabond. You shieldtank, meaning you use MWD to get to your target and away from your target. Don't burn your MWD too much and make your guns miss all the time. Also, if you are escaping from your target, make sure you mwd burst towards a warpable object, so that if you need to warp out, you can instantly do so, and not wait until you VERY slowly turn around and get killed. Other than this, keep 18-19 km range, f1...f5 (or f1..f6 if you have corpum nos). I like the huginn more than the vagabond though, it has great resistance to EW and 40km webbing range with normal webbers (at recon 5). The downsides are that it's slower, uses three weapon systems like a mini typhoon and does about 50 less dps than the vagabond.
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:21:00 - [146] Originally by: Morreia Originally by: Ogdru Jahad I see no mention of a vaga's potential nightmare. Nano curse. ( something i am training for ) sensor dampened and nossed to hell = no tank of any kind and now way to get out alive short of mates near by. Originally by: Antarus Lars Rule number 1 : Dont fight Huggins/Curses. From my experience both of those ships excell at killing vagas. When i fly my curse i have never even come close to getting killed by a Vagabond, as there cap is dead in seconds. Actually, the Vagabond can beat Nano-Damp Curses provided your starting distance is relatively low (on a gate, warping into a belt, etc), you can close the range quickly (easy as the Vagabond is much faster) and you use Phased Plasma + Hobgoblins (faction PP is much better). Hit your MWD and approach the Curse and it will drop very very quickly if you manage to get within it's damping range with your speed. Also, if there's a Nano-Damp Curse messing around in your local area/station, try fitting a MWD/Disruptor/Cap Booster/Sensor Booster on your Vagabond using PP and Hobgoblins. Neither of you have a tank but unlike the Curse your weapon system doesn't need to catch up with you first (the drones) before you start taking hits, and they rarely do when you're both going rather fast.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:27:00 - [147] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 03/07/2007 20:26:21 Originally by: Maeltstome Originally by: Morreia Warrior II's can be easily outrun. With drone nav 4, mines go at 7.5k/s - that means gistii + 3x overdrives. Not when they start to orbit, they don't. I take it you think your drones will orbit with their MWD turned on? Go try it. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:32:00 - [148] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 03/07/2007 20:32:26 Originally by: 5T1G Maybe even put a falloff rig on it to get somewhat simlilar engangment range. Mimic as close to the vaga setup you are going to use as you can. Once you are owning face and confident in what you can/cannot fight and got all your silly "i **** up" deaths out of the way then you should be ready for a vaga. Thanks very much for that. It's nice to know I'm on the right track for once. I can fly a Vagabond but don't own one yet and am doing exactly what you suggest until I get the hang of it: flying a falloff-rigged Stabber with 2 falloff and 1 tracking rig + skills + 3% falloff implant = 20km falloff (don't bag me on the cost, rigs are cheap when built from mission/rat salvage, as they were intended to be). It's going to be even better on the Vagabond I hope. -- Guile can always trump hardware --**
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:35:00 - [149] Originally by: Akashyi 1. STAY AWAY FROM CROWS! diaf ;) EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:20:00 - [150] Originally by: Guillame Herschel flying a falloff-rigged Stabber with 2 falloff and 1 tracking rig + skills + 3% falloff implant = 20km falloff Tracking rig is quite pointless... Quote: (don't bag me on the cost, rigs are cheap when built from mission/rat salvage, as they were intended to be). It's going to be even better on the Vagabond I hope. Just fyi, everything has something called "opportunity cost", just because you got those parts for the rigs "free" (actually, your time is not free, so you did not get them free), doesn't make the rigs "free". If you make 2 falloff rigs which have a market price of 2x15=30m, then when you die you still lose 30m, since you could've just sold them and had the 30m in the first place. Can't believe how many people can't grasp this simple concept... EW Guide - KB Tool - PVP Event



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