Originally by: Mylosia

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[...] Did I spam or did the pirates get a GM to take care of their problem for them?

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GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL BABY!!!

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Edited by: FarScape III on 01/07/2007 02:05:30

I like some pirates I have nothing against the average pirate but You warned people, isn't that what were supposed to do with pirates, I mean that is the whole thing.

I get warnings all the time, it seems normal to me.

Obviously these pirates lied and made up a few things in their petition to the GM.

And the GM fell for it. The GM should have had listened in on that system.

You offered to prove it to the GM but who know what happened after that, he may just knew you were write and forgot a bought it.

Personal though I would have direct messaged or started a convo with the new people who came in the system, maybe from the other side of the gate, that way the pirates would not of know what was going on.

And maybe some cool dude would have pounced on them and gave them some competition with out them knowing it was coming.

BTW good job on still being to have fun, sometimes and I mean sometimes there are some bad apples that take pirating too far. And by too far I mean not expecting someone to defend them selves.

In my system pirates come there but they do not Grief, they pirate, if there is not a good fight to be had then they leave or do something else.

Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Pirites SHOULD expect for people to reteliat, it is part of the game, would they complain too if he came back with a gang and killed them all.

Those pirate should of applauded the injenuity of this play but instead they cried abought it. what a joke. they make REAL pirates weep and look stupid.

IMO they stoped being pirates once they whined to a GM, how pethetic. Right, do you understand now?

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Originally by: Stink Eye

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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You have an excellant future as a political spin doctor. Remember not to let critical thinking ever get in your way.

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Originally by: Stink Eye

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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You have an excellant future as a political spin doctor. Remember not to let critical thinking ever get in your way.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Originally by: Jaikar Isillia

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Originally by: Stink Eye

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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You have an excellant future as a political spin doctor. Remember not to let critical thinking ever get in your way.

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QFT.

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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You adapted, they didn't. They went to the GMs with a petition, which was a waste of the GM's time IMO.

Congrats, I think you won.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: FarScape III

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Edited by: FarScape III on 01/07/2007 02:05:30

I like some pirates I have nothing against the average pirate but You warned people, isn't that what were supposed to do with pirates, I mean that is the whole thing.

I get warnings all the time, it seems normal to me.

Obviously these pirates lied and made up a few things in their petition to the GM.

And the GM fell for it. The GM should have had listened in on that system.

You offered to prove it to the GM but who know what happened after that, he may just knew you were write and forgot a bought it.

Personal though I would have direct messaged or started a convo with the new people who came in the system, maybe from the other side of the gate, that way the pirates would not of know what was going on.

And maybe some cool dude would have pounced on them and gave them some competition with out them knowing it was coming.

BTW good job on still being to have fun, sometimes and I mean sometimes there are some bad apples that take pirating too far. And by too far I mean not expecting someone to defend them selves.

In my system pirates come there but they do not Grief, they pirate, if there is not a good fight to be had then they leave or do something else.

Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Pirites SHOULD expect for people to reteliat, it is part of the game, would they complain too if he came back with a gang and killed them all.

Those pirate should of applauded the injenuity of this play but instead they cried abought it. what a joke. they make REAL pirates weep and look stupid.

IMO they stoped being pirates once they whined to a GM, how pethetic. Right, do you understand now?

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Oh, I wasn't saying they were smart, good, or anything else. But just how pirates should expect people to retaliate, carebears should expect to be blown up if they go into low sec. Make sense? It was more of a general-nitpick statement than directed towards the situation at hand.

Astro

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Originally by: Dec V

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Oh and him saying about a GM warning him. Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

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Originally by: Jenai'na

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Edited by: Jenai''na on 01/07/2007 11:44:20
how many cans did he drop ? one with a written warning on it?
yea that should be petitioned straight away.
it must have caused insane lag.quote]

No, he dropped a lot of cans, making it very hard to undock as you were bumped around because of them. Seriously I know we are pirates but stop making us the bad guys just because the fact we are pirates doesn't mean we can only use blob tactics and that we resort to giving abuse. All of us have huge amounts of pvp experience and love fighting against the odds. A lot of us have been playing eve a long time and have seen this guys behaviour before. Does it bother us, no. He can carry on if he wants to, its his choice as a player. Dropping cans that cause lag and disrupt the system is however petitionable, and we were right to do so. You got a problem with this, take it up with a dev.

Originally by: Juniper

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The stupid pirates then passed up a glorious opportunity for a free carrier, and promptly blew it up...

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Originally by: Juniper

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I wish I'd seen your warning.

I bought a carrier from Passari last night

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Originally by: Dec V

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So you needed a noob posting in local to see there were pirates in the system? People like you just shouldn't be flying carriers, and we are the noobs attacking a carrier just a few battleships? God I LOVE carebears

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Originally by: Dec V

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Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

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Originally by: Mylosia

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So I roll into Passari lastnight to sell some minerals. Yeah its lowsec, but I'm in a blockade runner. Couple of reddish looking guys outside the station, but I'm here so I dock, sell and undock. I'm locked and warp scrambled ( a lot) and getting pounded by a couple of BSs blocking the station exit. Redock with 40% damage. The two players who delivered the beating snicker about wrecking hits in local. Trying to bait me into spewing impotent rage into local for amusement or they are really proud of those hits. Not sure.

Well, what to do now? Plans for the evening seem shot as I can't be on my merry way in one piece. No way I can contend with these guys guns. I think about the expanded definition of pvp from ccp recently and it comes to me. Information warfare. I log on an alt and make for Passari.

Once there I broadcast a message in local. "Warning! Marauding pirates are about camping Lai Dai and other stations." I get a lot of "no duh" and "ohhh nooeess" from the local pirates. I remain quiet until a new person enters the system and I broadcast again. After warnings provided for the new comers to the system they start with the insults. I remain quiet except for my warnings. People trapped in station start talking in local and I switch to convos to help them out as I am hanging around the station at 300km+ doing my best to evade the pirates. They podded me a couple of times, but I'd moved my clone to in system.

This goes on for a few hours with insults and misinformation flooding the local chat from the pirates. I helped a couple of people get away and warned others off. I felt pretty good about this as I kept they evening of gaming from being ruined. Eventually the pirates fell quiet and dispersed and it was getting late for me to, so I called it a night.

Logged on today, broadcast my warning once for anyone in system. Lots of moans and cursing came from the same players that were there lastnight along with a threat that a GM would "gas" my spamming ass. I took this as an idle threat as they really have no grounds to report me until I got the GM eve mail telling me to stop or there'd be repercussions. I replied with exactly what I was doing and invited the GM to come witness it. No reply and hours have passed.


So am I a spammer or an unorthodox antipirate? Yes I was repeating a message in local with slight variation, but only when new people came in system. The system keeps between 15 and 10 players, so I didn't need to post my warning very often. I stayed in space where I could be persued as well. Did I spam or did the pirates get a GM to take care of their problem for them?

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Originally by: Selena 001

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Originally by: Dec V

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Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

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If you, or that GM thinks dropping a can outside every station and every gate in a system is NOT allowed

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Originally by: Dec V

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Your a complete idiot, if you had bothered to READ my posts you would find that he didnt drop "1 can" he dropped loads of cans, plus it was outside a station so that when people undocking they were bouncing everywhere PLUS it wasn't even my corp that petitioned him, it was another guy (although I do AGREE with the petition). I'd love to see you do a better job than a GM.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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I find it amusing how you "felt good about this as I kept the evening of gaming from being ruined" when you ruined the pirate's PvP, who also log onto EVE to have fun.

Astro

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Originally by: Diana deVos

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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I find it amusing how you "felt good about this as I kept the evening of gaming from being ruined" when you ruined the pirate's PvP, who also log onto EVE to have fun.

Astro

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LMAO. Like anyone is going to have sympathy for a group of players who's "enjoying the game" means their wrecking it for others.

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Originally by: Dec V

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Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 12:10:36
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 12:07:05

Originally by: Jenai'na

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Edited by: Jenai''na on 01/07/2007 11:44:20
how many cans did he drop ? one with a written warning on it?
yea that should be petitioned straight away.
it must have caused insane lag.

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No, he dropped a lot of cans, making it very hard to undock as you were bumped around because of them. Seriously I know we are pirates but stop making us the bad guys just because the fact we are pirates doesn't mean we can only use blob tactics and that we resort to giving abuse. All of us have huge amounts of pvp experience and love fighting against the odds. A lot of us have been playing eve a long time and have seen this guys behaviour before. Does it bother us, no. He can carry on if he wants to, its his choice as a player. Dropping cans that cause lag and disrupt the system is however petitionable, and we were right to do so. You got a problem with this, take it up with a dev.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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You did nothing wrong. In fact you did good for the non-aggressive community. Keep it up friend.

If those red blinking people can call GM to warn you about local spamming, you can also call GM to warn them for griefing you. Camping you for hours and hours to spoil your time in the game and making you feel like quitting.

What comes around can also go around.

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Originally by: Mylosia

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Well, what to do now? Plans for the evening seem shot as I can't be on my merry way in one piece. No way I can contend with these guys guns. I think about the expanded definition of pvp from ccp recently and it comes to me. Information warfare. I log on an alt and make for Passari.

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Originally by: Mylosia

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Thanks a lot for the encouraging words from everyone. Makes EvE and the world look better to know there are those that appreciate people helping other people rather than exalting those who attack the weak and helpless.

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Originally by: Dec V

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This is gonna be my last post on the matter, as Ive said all I need to say. My corp do not mind at all that you post this crap in local, most half intelligent people can figure out that there are pirates in the system anyway. We were just laughing at you for what you were doing. We didn't petition you and neither did the corporation whose members you also named. Don't bring them or us into it please, we were just pirating.

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Originally by: Juniper

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Originally by: Dec V

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So you needed a noob posting in local to see there were pirates in the system? People like you just shouldn't be flying carriers, and we are the noobs attacking a carrier just a few battleships? God I LOVE carebears

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The guy who demanded 2 billion (ridiculous opening offer btw) had a positive sec status... I had no way of knowing he was in league with the pirates (although maybe if I read the forums a bit more I would have been... he's quite a "popular" figure on here it seems), and there wasn't anyone there when I originally docked (just a minute previously).

I admit that I was a noob in letting my carrier get blown up, but it WAS funny watching you all squirm afterwards. Obviously I'm not the only long time noob playing EVE if you can't figure out that blowing my carrier up after I ejected was just blowing away 1 billion worth of potential bounty.

As to your comment that "people like me shouldn't be flying carriers" - well, why the hell not? I've no way of knowing that until I try it, and when new features / ships come into the game I like to try them to see if I can make use of them. That's what I play the game for.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Originally by: Gretek Lal

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Well, the PvP lovers think it's OK to gate camp and rename jetcans and all sorts of things to ruin the game time of others. As they say--all's fair in the Eve universe.

If the pirates don't like what the OP did they should:

1) give me their stuff and

2) go back to WoW or Anarchy Online or whatever the kiddies are playing these days.

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Originally by: Vito

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He made the game more fun for people that otherwise would be ganked by this subset that log in to make life miserable for this first group. If that was his goal, then he sure as hell succeeded.

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Originally by: Diana

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LMAO. Like anyone is going to have sympathy for a group of players who's "enjoying the game" means their wrecking it for others.

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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lol... according to this piracy is against the TOS but so is warning ppl about said piracy...

15.) You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game(using local to warn of pirates?) and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

lol

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Same goes for you. I know when I pirate, I'm not doing it because it hurts another player, I do it because it's a rush, it's exciting, it's pvp, and it could be valuable. Not all pirates are intentional griefers.

Way to keep an open mind guys.

Astro

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Originally by: Dec V

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Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 12:10:36
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 12:07:05

Originally by: Jenai'na

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Edited by: Jenai''na on 01/07/2007 11:44:20
how many cans did he drop ? one with a written warning on it?
yea that should be petitioned straight away.
it must have caused insane lag.

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No, he dropped a lot of cans, making it very hard to undock as you were bumped around because of them.

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Originally by: Lynal

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if we assume all pirates are griefers... we're never surprised when any of them turn to actually be griefers... and if they aren't, by some cosmic alignment of the planets, then thats a nice surprise... and everyone prefers a nice surprise over a nasty one.

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Originally by: Lynal

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if we assume all pirates are griefers... we're never surprised when any of them turn to actually be griefers... and if they aren't, by some cosmic alignment of the planets, then thats a nice surprise... and everyone prefers a nice surprise over a nasty one.

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Originally by: Dec V

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I'm not posting this, these are the words of Trepkos, the poster of the petition and the guy who killed your carrier. He cant post on the forums (banned) and he asked me to say this.

I was the pilot with the positive security status and I was not the one to initiate the ransom for 2 billion ISK. Your carrier was killed instead of capture due to the fact no one around had the skills to fly a Nidhoggur.

Therefore your ship was eliminated. Next time you should be more careful and not engage while outnumbered and outgunned in a unfitted Nidhoggur.

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Originally by: Juniper

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Nice spin.

Reality of course was quite a bit different - they had no idea I had left the ship until after they popped it. He's right though that he wasn't the one who asked for the 2 billion (that person also had positive sec & AFAIK isn't banned on the forums).

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Same goes for you. I know when I pirate, I'm not doing it because it hurts another player, I do it because it's a rush, it's exciting, it's pvp, and it could be valuable. Not all pirates are intentional griefers.

Way to keep an open mind guys.

Astro

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Same goes for you. I know when I pirate, I'm not doing it because it hurts another player, I do it because it's a rush, it's exciting, it's pvp, and it could be valuable. Not all pirates are intentional griefers.

Way to keep an open mind guys.

Astro

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Get over yourself. Popping haulers with a Tier 3 BS and 6 of your closest friends is not a rush. You do it for the money.

And I'm not even going to touch on the hypocrisy of your "ruining other players' fun" argument...though I thank you for the laugh.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Get over yourself. Popping haulers with a Tier 3 BS and 6 of your closest friends is not a rush. You do it for the money.

And I'm not even going to touch on the hypocrisy of your "ruining other players' fun" argument...though I thank you for the laugh.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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You're actually very wrong.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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We noticed that you left the carrier when your pod ejected from it, but maybe you missed the above post.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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It wasn't very clever or cunning of you to eject from your carrier with 10% structure left. You did not perform this act secretly and it was noted by us that you did eject right when you did. Unfortunately we did not have a pilot that could fly a Nidhoggur therefore we just rather destroy it than leave it sitting there in space with 10% structure because some noob thought he was being clever by ejecting from it.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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That is in reality, what happened. You know it but go ahead and further your attempts to deny it. Better luck next time though, I heard carriers are pretty decent ships when they have modules fitted.

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Originally by: Modrak Vseth

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So. Why is that hauler or miner in lowsec? Not because it's more fun or exciting to mine in lowsec then it is in highsec. It's for the money. If they can do it for the money, why can't pirates? And if they're doing it for the money, they wouldn't use that many people since the payout would blow.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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I don't disagree. I'm simply pointing out that defending piracy as a noble PvP learning experience is complete horse****. I have nothing against piracy for the sake of profit. It works. What ****es me off are pirates who claim that their game experience is ruined because someone they ganked got wise and turned the tables on them. Pirates who can't take what they dish out themselves simply shock me.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

Astro

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Originally by: dragonssbane

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You said you were doing it to prevent the pirates from ruining everyone else's night of game play. You in turn have become the griefer at that point. You made it personal.

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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Originally by: Lynal

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if we assume all pirates are griefers... we're never surprised when any of them turn to actually be griefers... and if they aren't, by some cosmic alignment of the planets, then thats a nice surprise... and everyone prefers a nice surprise over a nasty one.

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What the hell does that even mean? Why even use the word "griefer"...?

What? Pirates that aren't griefers (by your implied definition) don't actually shoot people? What do those sort of pirates do? Threaten harsh eve-mails?

"Thou shalt pay me the ransom else I shalt lambast you with a harsh and scathing mail! Harken to me, ye scallywag! You shalt surely be sent reeling upon reading yon missive!! Oh and... Yarr!"

People to please STOP using the words Grief or Griefing.

If you think there is griefing in Eve, you're playing the wrong game.

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Originally by: Juniper

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Edited by: Juniper on 02/07/2007 19:56:39

No, only slightly wrong. KilROCK said "pay", and he is positive sec. I thought it was he who asked for the 2 billion... so that is my mistake. In any event, it doesn't really matter.

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If that is the case, why did Podruski say about five minutes after I had ejected & was sitting safely in a station "you ejected? Oh gawd!" and "I think you just made KilROCK quit EVE.". I won't repeat what KilROCK said at that point.

I don't log my chats, so its my word against yours I guess. Maybe since you do you can post or eve-mail me what was said? I'd be interested.

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Like I said, nice spin... and one that you can cheerfully get to fit the facts. It wouldn't have taken much on your part to find & pay a Nidhoggur pilot & for you to guard it in the meantime. But if you'd rather cover up your corp's mistake that's fine, it doesn't bother me one bit.

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I'm not denying anything. It would appear though that you are trying to say that popping the carrier was a strategic decision on your part, rather than (as it was in fact) a silly, costly mistake. That's fine. I don't really care. I just thought it was funny, thats all.

Btw, carriers are decent ships when they have modules fitted. Maybe you'll find out yourself one day, mmm?

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: dragonssbane

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You said you were doing it to prevent the pirates from ruining everyone else's night of game play. You in turn have become the griefer at that point. You made it personal.

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He was flying around the system in a ship that they repeatedly destroyed and his ultimate goal was not to prevent them from pirating but rather to make the system they trapped his hauler in unprofitable so they would leave it and thus free his hauler. If he did it from the safety of the station or high sec it would be a bit of an exploit. If he followed them around it would be griefing. What he did was merely an effort to free his hauler from them. He was no more of a griefer than they were.

It was also quite smart, keep up the good work OP.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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There is no spin, there were no mistakes. You died, that was the plan and it was carried through successfully. It is not our fault or our mistake for not caring to capitalize on your own noobish tactics. There is no cover up, if anyone would want to cover something up I would reckon it would be the incompetent pilot who lost his unfitted Nidhoggur by engaging two dominixes right outside a station.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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It was not a silly or costly mistake, mainly because the whole scenario of scouting out a random Nidhoggur pilot, paying him to dock and trade it to us would be a silly and costly mistake giving the person so many options to rob us of a carrier and/or a carrier kill.

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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski

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As of your carrier remark? I own three thanatos's; all fitted completely. You saw them, before I docked and switched to my moros to kill you.

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Originally by: Juniper

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Are you seriously trying to tell me that after I ejected, you all stopped firing and said "Hang on a minute here lads, do we know anyone who can fly this?" (scuffles of paper & murmurings in the background) "No? Sure? Shall we destroy it then?" (and so on...)

Or did you all just keep firing (10% structure don't forget?) until it was destroyed without even a second thought, thinking I was still inside and you would get my pod as well?

If the former - then kudos to you, I applaud your collective strategic minds. But if, as I suspect, the latter is true - well...

Btw, I am not my ship. You didn't kill me. You killed an empty ship, which was insured. That's all.

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Originally by: AstroPhobic

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Originally by: Dylosia

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Well Astro that is the thing isn't it. Those pirates attacking me and trapping me in a station for an evening triggered these events. Not saying its wrong if they want to set in tech 2 BSs and shoot at transports and industrials exiting a station all evening (from an eve standpoint anyway). I just wanted to fight back and I found a way.

Lysit these are the pirates/griefers though I sincerely doubt you'll be able to engage them as they prefer haulers and stay close to stations.

Dragonsoul
Omega Kilos
Carratiker
Podruski
Malachi Nefzen
Apophisxp

By the way this is the actual character that tried to warn people off and the above players told the GM was bothering them. I named them too closely.

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That's hardly the point. I found it amusing that your thought process was to help the general occupants of EvE when you actually harmed the gameplay of a large group. It's the "pirate bad" mentality that makes me wonder if you can't see that "pirates" are on their computers playing eve for fun too.

I'm not saying your actions were wrong, just saying if your intentions were to make eve fun for others, then you didn't suceed.

Astro

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Piracy, IMO, is all very well and good, but a lot of so-called "pirates" do cross the line over into being griefers. What's the difference? A pirate will demand a ransom and congratulate anyone who gets away from them. Pirates have a roguish charm and a scoundrel's sense of honour and fair play.

A griefer just blows ships up, and then smacktalks anyone who manages to avoid them.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Piracy, IMO, is all very well and good, but a lot of so-called "pirates" do cross the line over into being griefers. What's the difference? A pirate will demand a ransom and congratulate anyone who gets away from them. Pirates have a roguish charm and a scoundrel's sense of honour and fair play.

A griefer just blows ships up, and then smacktalks anyone who manages to avoid them.

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Originally by: Dec V

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Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:26:38
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:20:47
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:16:06
That was YOU spamming passari that night? OMG me and my corp mates were wetting ourselves laughing...words cannot comprehend how much of a noob you are. Come back to Passari please, we wanna show how much we love you

Our side of the story:

Oh and him saying about a GM warning him. Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

We really didn't care about you spamming local...all the people had to do was right click the names in local, see -9.8 standing and figure it out for themselves. Pirating is an acceptable profession, if you want to come into low sec you deal with us. We have no problem with you spamming local, but when you start dropping cans here there and everywhere thats when we have a RIGHT to petition. I also love how everybody in this thread has blamed the pirates The GM's did nothing wrong here, none of us (I love how you named my corp and allies lol, we will never be able to sleep safely again...) were bothered about this idiot ranting in local, so before you blame the GM's think twice.

Look forward to meeting you in Passari
(Alt)

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: Dec V

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Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:26:38
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:20:47
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:16:06
That was YOU spamming passari that night? OMG me and my corp mates were wetting ourselves laughing...words cannot comprehend how much of a noob you are. Come back to Passari please, we wanna show how much we love you

Our side of the story:

Oh and him saying about a GM warning him. Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

We really didn't care about you spamming local...all the people had to do was right click the names in local, see -9.8 standing and figure it out for themselves. Pirating is an acceptable profession, if you want to come into low sec you deal with us. We have no problem with you spamming local, but when you start dropping cans here there and everywhere thats when we have a RIGHT to petition. I also love how everybody in this thread has blamed the pirates The GM's did nothing wrong here, none of us (I love how you named my corp and allies lol, we will never be able to sleep safely again...) were bothered about this idiot ranting in local, so before you blame the GM's think twice.

Look forward to meeting you in Passari
(Alt)

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Originally by: Vantoth

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Edited by: Vantoth on 05/07/2007 20:07:00

Originally by: Dec V

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Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:26:38
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:20:47
Edited by: Dec V on 01/07/2007 11:16:06
That was YOU spamming passari that night? OMG me and my corp mates were wetting ourselves laughing...words cannot comprehend how much of a noob you are. Come back to Passari please, we wanna show how much we love you

Our side of the story:

Oh and him saying about a GM warning him. Well what he DIDNT mention in his lovely post is that he proceeded to drop cans outside the station and at the gates, which IS NOT allowed...so thats why you got told off a GM. Take your sob story elsewhere.

We really didn't care about you spamming local...all the people had to do was right click the names in local, see -9.8 standing and figure it out for themselves. Pirating is an acceptable profession, if you want to come into low sec you deal with us. We have no problem with you spamming local, but when you start dropping cans here there and everywhere thats when we have a RIGHT to petition. I also love how everybody in this thread has blamed the pirates The GM's did nothing wrong here, none of us (I love how you named my corp and allies lol, we will never be able to sleep safely again...) were bothered about this idiot ranting in local, so before you blame the GM's think twice.

Look forward to meeting you in Passari
(Alt)

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I call liar at this. You say he was dropping cans right in front of the station, so many that people were bouncing everywhere? Well if that was the case it would have given you many targets that were helpless and you would not have petitioned. Also if that was the case you must be truly inept if he was there dropping cans and you could not lock, scram and pod him while doing so. You are obviousley a liar and poor player. So do us a favor and just quit posting your plethera of lies trying to hide the fact you are a pathetic, lieing, not able to shoot someone dropping cans right in front of you (like that part is even true), whining pie-rat. BTW if you had a pair you would have posted your lies with your main.

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