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Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.07.03 12:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: Hardin Out of interest who are your other 'targets' then... Like we will give infomation like that away. TBH butter said more than he should have. /me get ping pong paddle out to give butter his punishment Why is it giving information away? I am just interested to see who it is that you think doesn't 'contribute' anything to the area. My guesses would by Sylph and CVA who coincidentally happen to be the people who shoot you on sight. I am also interested in what exactly it is that BUM contributes to the area other than ganking unwary NPCers and the occasional hauler? Giving to much infomation to CVA is just plan bad. I respected you as a pvp force and you guys have the will and the people to throw a very large spanner in the works. And no i dont see CVA as alliance that doesn't 'contribute' to the area infact its that other way around. As for BUM 'contribute' to the area, both BUM and CVA have diffrent objectives. Your is a RP objective the goal is to turn the area into a Amarr control space. While ours is still fuzzy around the edges but its getting there. Hehe okay. I see BUM has at least one natural diplomat onboard. See you in space ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Amith Silvermoon Originally by: Hardin Out of interest who are your other 'targets' then... Like we will give infomation like that away. TBH butter said more than he should have. /me get ping pong paddle out to give butter his punishment Why is it giving information away? I am just interested to see who it is that you think doesn't 'contribute' anything to the area. My guesses would by Sylph and CVA who coincidentally happen to be the people who shoot you on sight. I am also interested in what exactly it is that BUM contributes to the area other than ganking unwary NPCers and the occasional hauler? Funny. And you're wrong in your assumptions about our targets, we like having CVA around and it would be stupid to say you don't contribute to the area. You're an integral part of Providence and a valued one (as a friend or a foe). Talking of NPCer ganking, why don't you ask UCE and Sylph what happened when they actually fitted for PVP and engaged us two days ago 60 v 10? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:28:00 - [33] Quote: I see BUM has at least one natural diplomat onboard. i feel hurt now i am a born diplomat Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:33:00 - [34] Better idea, why don't people remain on topic. This is not about various egos and posturing. Good fortune to you NOS people, have fun.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:36:00 - [35] Originally by: nickycakes As far as I can remember NOS was formed by a bunch of carebears from huzzah who had a failure of a dream to build an outpost to mine ice in providence while huzzah was getting steamrolled. NOS got steamrolled, so people decided to leave for D2, which got steamrolled, and I'm sure the trend continues. The alliance at one point was chock full of ebay macro isk farmers who practically patented the cloaking/logging raven. I'm surprised the alliance lasted more than a month, but it is providence, after all. wow What a horrible little person... your corp must be proud of you representing them in this way o/ NOS I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:39:00 - [36] Well this in fact marks the final end of the remnants of Huzzah. Thats probably the biggest news. The NOS Alliance as its been for the past several months has been pretty quiet. But at one point there was a solid attempt at building a decent mixed pvp/industrial alliance for those Huzzah's that had no interest in the blob politics of Catch. It was a good goal-it just suffered from a lack of dedicated leadership. NOS for what you tried to do early on you have my respect but it certainly was time to close up shop. I wish you luck and for all us Huzzah almun-HUZZAH! HUZZAH! Vantras Amarr Victor
Mortecai Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Vantras Well this in fact marks the final end of the remnants of Huzzah. Thats probably the biggest news. The NOS Alliance as its been for the past several months has been pretty quiet. But at one point there was a solid attempt at building a decent mixed pvp/industrial alliance for those Huzzah's that had no interest in the blob politics of Catch. <snipped> I wish you luck and for all us Huzzah almun-HUZZAH! HUZZAH! Final end of remnants of Huzzah? Not so fast sonny. Lot of remnants around U know + the old ghost itself. No Quarter still alive and pretty kicking by the looks of their kb and and Huzzah is doing just fine and dandy away from blob politics and enjoying the game without any political aspirations or claims. Makes this gaming experience feel fun again and not work, something that has made many quit or give up, just like NOS here. Can't say I know many of you, but hope you drop by and we have some fun pew pew. Good luck wherever you will land.
Torm Ilmater No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Mortecai Originally by: Vantras Well this in fact marks the final end of the remnants of Huzzah. Thats probably the biggest news. The NOS Alliance as its been for the past several months has been pretty quiet. But at one point there was a solid attempt at building a decent mixed pvp/industrial alliance for those Huzzah's that had no interest in the blob politics of Catch. <snipped> I wish you luck and for all us Huzzah almun-HUZZAH! HUZZAH! Final end of remnants of Huzzah? Not so fast sonny. Lot of remnants around U know + the old ghost itself. No Quarter still alive and pretty kicking by the looks of their kb and and Huzzah is doing just fine and dandy away from blob politics and enjoying the game without any political aspirations or claims. Makes this gaming experience feel fun again and not work, something that has made many quit or give up, just like NOS here. Can't say I know many of you, but hope you drop by and we have some fun pew pew. Good luck wherever you will land. Exactly. No Quarter. (a corp originally formed from several ex-Huzzah corps) is still going strong (and growing at a decent rate) so I know that at least this remnant of Huzzah is going strong. :) Haven't run into the ol' alliance wherever she may be nowadays but we'll always carry that Huzzah spirit. :)
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Hardin This brought CVA / NOS relations to a low point and indeed behind the scenes NOS had opened negotiations with Ushra'khan, the Minmatar terrorists and long term enemies of CVA, to put a NAP in place. Obviously, we in CVA were not impressed about this, however as our philosophy has always been to let people operate in Providence provided they were not pirating or actively assisting the Minnies we did not take any steps against NOS. However, many NOS/HUZZAH old timers who had moved on from the alliance were dismayed to hear about what was happening in their old alliance and without any prompting from us launched an attack on NOS. Within a week the NOS 'appeasers' had capitulated and a more CVA friendly leadership was reinstated within the alliance. The extent of 'behind the scenes negotaitions' was that NOS, whom had inherited a poor relationship with the Ushra'Khan by carrying over their Huzzah diplomatic standings to their new alliance, decided that they wanted us to stop shooting at them. So they renounced slavery and we removed their red standings. the dicussion would have looked something like this: NOS - We want neutral. Ushra - Ok, renounce slavery and we'll call it quits. NOS - Ok. And that's the lot. No mutual promises, alliances, drawing closer or anything at all substantial. Their IGS announcement was retracted very shortly afterwards which pretty much killed any likely trust we might have placed in them going forwards and from that day on firmly put them in the slaver camp. Originally by: Hardin Relations from that time improved although CVA did not have many direct dealings with NOS who did their own thing in the QBL pocket without interfence from us and they generally stayed out of the CVA/UK war. However, unbeknownst to us the Minmatar terrorists had been scouting QBL and were under the (false)impression that CVA and NOS were collaborating on some huge 'project' in that area. As a result they decided to attack NOS and launched an assault on one of their strategic systems - attacking a NOS POS. With its weakened military NOS couldn't effectively fight off this attack on their own but fortunately a CVA (and allied Amarrian fleet) was in the area and we managed to break into the system (Afer a big fight at gate) and then killed on Ushra'khan dreadnought at the POS (which was saved). Over the next few days Ushra'khan erected 3 more POS in the system but these were destroyed by CVA/NOS forces. After the attack on QBL CVA/NOS relations were once again very strong and NOS began to once again play a more active role against Ushra'khan and indeed sent some forces to assist CVA in our attacks on the Minmatar Outpost systems of QR and 9UY. We have had a very long history of shotting at each other, QBL was no new thing. NOS setting up a pos 2 jumps away from Unity station in the Assah corridor months earlier is a prime example. The QBL offensive was targetting an industrial build up that we had spotted, at the time we thought that it could be preparations for an outpost. We did not think it was a joint project with CVA, but we did think it highly likely that CVA would come to the defence of NOS. The surprise was all the other people and the size of the response. I don't know why there was such a large Amarr coalition fleet on the move that night but it was a very swift and strong response. Still, it was well worth a shot. I'm just glad to see an old supporter of slavery and long time enemy alliance meet its end. Good bye NOS, the war goes on.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Ugleb The QBL offensive was targetting an industrial build up that we had spotted, at the time we thought that it could be preparations for an outpost. We did not think it was a joint project with CVA, but we did think it highly likely that CVA would come to the defence of NOS. The surprise was all the other people and the size of the response. I don't know why there was such a large Amarr coalition fleet on the move that night but it was a very swift and strong response. Thank you for the correction. My impression (gathered to talking to various people in UK at that time) was that they thought that there was some kind of CVA involvement - but it was a while a go so I could be wrong. In terms of the swift reaction I believe it was because we had a fleet harassing Imperial Order in the Dital area which we had started to move home because we had reports of a largish 15/20ish pirate gang in the R3 area - can't remember if it was AAA or some other group. Anyway we moved the fleet home and then discovered another incoming Imperial Order fleet (which I was informed was meant to have been a distraction to CVA while you attacked NOS). However because we had by now a largish fleet already assembled the Imperial Order gang had to safespot and then we had a very fast reaction from other people who came down to help... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Black Necris Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Ugleb The QBL offensive was targetting an industrial build up that we had spotted, at the time we thought that it could be preparations for an outpost. We did not think it was a joint project with CVA, but we did think it highly likely that CVA would come to the defence of NOS. The surprise was all the other people and the size of the response. I don't know why there was such a large Amarr coalition fleet on the move that night but it was a very swift and strong response. Thank you for the correction. My impression (gathered to talking to various people in UK at that time) was that they thought that there was some kind of CVA involvement - but it was a while a go so I could be wrong. In terms of the swift reaction I believe it was because we had a fleet harassing Imperial Order in the Dital area which we had started to move home because we had reports of a largish 15/20ish pirate gang in the R3 area - can't remember if it was AAA or some other group. Anyway we moved the fleet home and then discovered another incoming Imperial Order fleet (which I was informed was meant to have been a distraction to CVA while you attacked NOS). However because we had by now a largish fleet already assembled the Imperial Order gang had to safespot and then we had a very fast reaction from other people who came down to help... Ppl shoulnt care much on what Hardin has to say... he will always make a huge speech with dates and numbers that only seem right on CVA eyes, and since thats the truth to them whatever other statement its false, i suggest we just ignore him. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians	Posted - 2007.07.03 16:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 03/07/2007 16:17:24 Honestly the most accurate statement about the situation that can be made is "We saw this coming". Anyone who knew the area knew that the alliance was essentially a joke for at least the last 6 months. Macro ratters, industrialists, people spending all their time up in empire... there really was no reason for the alliance to exist except for the fact that the name entitled us to the space we lived in. From my perspective, the whole situation with NAPing UK was spurred by sympathizers... people who wanted to rebel against CVA. I don't know if these people ultimately joined the alliance with this in mind, but whatever the case, it happened. Once the rest of NOS woke up and spoke out against being CVA's enemy, those people chose to leave the alliance, and ended up showing their true colors. Whatever the case, the only way NOS would have been resurrected was if a strong leader emerged, willing to put the time and effort into cutting the fat off, recruiting promising corps, and rebuilding the alliance's reputation. None of those who volunteered for leadership were willing or able (due to RL commitments, etc) to put that time and effort in, and as such, the alliance has drifted away. Being one who believes in closure and putting dying things out of their misery (I've had to do this before with a WoW Raiding guild)... I have essentially euthanized NOS. = )
Torm Ilmater No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn Whatever the case, the only way NOS would have been resurrected was if a strong leader emerged, willing to put the time and effort into cutting the fat off, recruiting promising corps, and rebuilding the alliance's reputation. That's essentially the same situation that Huzzah was in prior to Hans Roaming taking over. Thankfully Hans gave it his all for quite a while and brought Huzzah to a level we didn't think was possible. Lub ya Hans.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.03 17:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Torm Ilmater Originally by: Rylet VanDorn Whatever the case, the only way NOS would have been resurrected was if a strong leader emerged, willing to put the time and effort into cutting the fat off, recruiting promising corps, and rebuilding the alliance's reputation. That's essentially the same situation that Huzzah was in prior to Hans Roaming taking over. Thankfully Hans gave it his all for quite a while and brought Huzzah to a level we didn't think was possible. Lub ya Hans. Thanks for the kind words but I was really just the public face, it was really the members who did everything and the best legacy of Huzzah is that people got out of the sandbox that is Providence and have had adventures new. Even Huzzah has come back to life and is currently enjoying itself in syndicate.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:20:00 - [45] Originally by: Black Necris Ppl shoulnt care much on what Hardin has to say... he will always make a huge speech with dates and numbers that only seem right on CVA eyes, and since thats the truth to them whatever other statement its false, i suggest we just ignore him. Yeah, it's called 'spin' and Hardin is very good at it. If he claims something (which is either an assumption or plain untrue) and you factually correct him, he just ignores you. Which is fine, I ignore people who correct me too ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.03 19:43:00 - [46] Farewell Nos, and good luck with where you go next. It has been quite interesting to watch your alliance over the last year. And I must echo Pezzle: Quote: Better idea, why don't people remain on topic. This is not about various egos and posturing. Good fortune to you NOS people, have fun. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Condottieri Industries	Posted - 2007.07.03 20:42:00 - [47] We had our rough spats, but the pilots in NOS were some of the best Guy's I've flown with. Best of luck to you in the future! CEO, Condottieri Industries
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:09:00 - [48] Edited by: Hardin on 03/07/2007 21:10:24 Originally by: Butter Dog Yeah, it's called 'spin' and Hardin is very good at it. Despite my reputation as 'the chin with the spin' I do not actually spin. I merely give our side of the story and correct misunderstandings and misperceptions that have either been spread deliberately or accidentally. Originally by: Butter Dog If he claims something (which is either an assumption or plain untrue) and you factually correct him, he just ignores you. Which is fine, I ignore people who correct me too If you had actually read what I had posted above (because clearly Black Necris was merely having a pop and handn't read my response to Ugleb either) then you would see that I actually thanked him for the correction - which is hardly ignoring it. Unlike some I do strive for accuracy but will admit when I have clearly got my facts wrong which does happen sometimes. I am only Amarr after all But thanks once again for your input on the issue Butter! Anyway getting this thread back on topic - best wishes to all former NOS pilots. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:13:00 - [49] o/ NOS POS Huggers extraordinaire, Logoffski/cloaking Macro Ratters FTL. Love the loot tho :) Where are you moving too?
Nukeseus Caldari Condottieri Industries	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:19:00 - [50] Always was fun down in NOS and CVA. Lost alot of ships, paid out the same to the enemy. Best of luck to all those corps and pilots!
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:02:00 - [51] Originally by: sai'l et on a serious note... where will you be moving to so that everyone in eve know where to go when they want easy kills.?? The King.[/quote They are still there. Libertas Fidelitas is the new alliance as far as I can tell.
CHAOS100 Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.03 22:30:00 - [52] I have to thank Hardin for the summary. After the long downfall of the alliance I am glad it has finally been laid to rest. I would say though that the alliance had no remnants of huzzah left in it, the old "huzzah" has since moved on, and is being carried by No Quarter and the recently re founded alliance itself. --------------
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.04 00:33:00 - [53] Originally by: CHAOS100 I have to thank Hardin for the summary. After the long downfall of the alliance I am glad it has finally been laid to rest. I would say though that the alliance had no remnants of huzzah left in it, the old "huzzah" has since moved on, and is being carried by No Quarter and the recently re founded alliance itself. 0/ Chaos, you played a pretty big part in the downfall of NOS yourself mate We were looking for targets, and when we realised that CVA and NOS were having diplomatic problems, we took the opportunity to send in gank squads. CVA did not pay us for our actions, the only thing they did, was to give us free passage through R3 to reach our targets Was fun...and to Chaos, you did a good job as FC in S9X Prov Ganks Fight that caused NOS to capitulate This is from a while ago, but it was the start of the slide Just for fun --> First few ganks I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Dev Corland BloodStorm Elite Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.04 01:44:00 - [54] Edited by: Dev Corland on 04/07/2007 01:44:44 Despite my leaving, there was much fun to be had in Providence during my stay with NOS. Met a lot of good people. Best of luck to you all! EDIT: Was wondering when those links were going to be posted, Flinx. Those fights were pretty fun. __ BSEL is Recruiting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=524646
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.07.04 02:37:00 - [55] Good riddance. I heard about Transendence undocking all of his ships and self destructing them one after another. That put a huge smile on my face. I've never met a more backstabbing, suck up in my life.
Dev Corland BloodStorm Elite Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.04 03:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Good riddance. I heard about Transendence undocking all of his ships and self destructing them one after another. That put a huge smile on my face. I've never met a more backstabbing, suck up in my life. ...I can't say I didn't find that a bit funny, either. Thank you for bringing that to my attention! __ BSEL is Recruiting! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=524646
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.07.04 12:33:00 - [57] humm, NOS was my first alliance, but I learned a lot, but the one thing I learned most and will stay with me my entire eve life. Leadership sets the tempo, and there is no excuse for a poor alliance leadership, ever! To all my friends in the new nos (libertas Fidelitas) please remember what I said above. There is no excuse for poor leadership. Don't let them fool you again. To all my friends who moved on to better things, good luck! fly safe, -Rorin
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.04 13:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 03/07/2007 21:10:24 Originally by: Butter Dog Yeah, it's called 'spin' and Hardin is very good at it. Despite my reputation as 'the chin with the spin' I do not actually spin. I merely give our side of the story and correct misunderstandings and misperceptions that have either been spread deliberately or accidentally. The irony dripping from this response is beyond any measurement. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.04 15:40:00 - [59] bye nos as for the comments on turning point in huzzah, well that was when huzzah war dec'd tsbs and md was leader together with jb and zarnie, but thats another story.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele	Posted - 2007.07.04 16:59:00 - [60] Wasn't that bad .. 250 members and 15 Sov systems at NOS's peak peak. You would have ranked 54th place out of 430 alliances before folding. Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - Sovereign Systems - Alliance Rank

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