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Dalanoria
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dalanoria on 07/07/2007 05:03:09
Ive been kicked from a corp, called a BOB alt spy..Good for them thinking I have anything to do with BOB.....Unfortunetly, my tech II ships + 1 bill in mods is in theyre station, and ofcourse i was banned from docking..........
They banned me and kicked me while on a ops...How do I get my belongings back....
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Omard
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:06:00 -
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Seems petition worthy to me 
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Gorken
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Omard
Seems petition worthy to me
Aye, sounds like a scam to me.
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William Hamilton
Caldari
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:21:00 -
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You could try selling your stuff, and buying identical items elsewhere...
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:25:00 -
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bung it all on a contract for 15% less then its worth as a hanger clearout
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:26:00 -
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I'm not sure that it will do any good petitioning this, as I don't see it as a scam.
I do not know the full situation, so it is perfectly possible that they have something to base their suspicions on. Besides, if the stuff is in Dalanoria's own hangar and not the corp-hangar, they will not have access to it, so getting them as part of a scam is rather pointless.
Only advise I can give you is to rejoin your corp if they ever let you, grab your stuff and get the heck out again...
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:41:00 -
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It was FREGE allianxce btw that did this.
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 05:42:00 -
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The offer was made to Dalanoria to contract the items to our corp at "fair" prices and we would buy the items from the character.
The offer still stands.
PCaBoo
Communications Officer, Warmonger
DirtNapSquad
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenists
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Posted - 2007.07.07 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
The offer was made to Dalanoria to contract the items to our corp at "fair" prices and we would buy the items from the character.
The offer still stands.
PCaBoo
Communications Officer, Warmonger
DirtNapSquad
What if he just wants the items, for whatever reason, why should he have to sell them?
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 06:22:00 -
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It's not an option. His items are in his corp hangar and he can't dock here. He's a suspected spy and we're not going to let him come here to take his Pilgrim and undock in our space. Especially after his tirade and threats he's made against us.
We've been more than reasonable about this entire situation. I don't know what else we can do to appease Dalanoria.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.07 07:09:00 -
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You're exercising control of his stuff (I won't call it property) while offering him less than what he considered fair value for them on a take it or leave it basis? That's theft. He values his in-game possessions for more than he could readily sell them, otherwise they'd no longer be his possessions. Meet his price or give him his stuff.
If you don't want him in your station/in your space/etc for some other reason you should work out a way to get him his stuff somewhere in empire. Might a courier contract work for this? Regardless of what he may have done, doing this doesn't make you look good.
Alternately he could transfer control of his character to a third party you both consider trustworthy to handle moving his possessions out of your station. If he's making a big deal out of it the transfer fees shouldn't be an issue.
(My opinion, not my corp's, limited knowledge of relevant events, general disclaimer, &etc)
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.07.07 07:49:00 -
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if you suspect bob spyness but are not 100% sure, i think you should give him the benefit of the doupt and help him move out. I know if i got called a spy i'd be rather upset (in an angry kind of way, not a boohoo kind of way). It's highly possible you're driving somebody out of the game just for security reasons, and would harm nobody to let him get his stuff. Of course, if you're pretty certain who gives a ****.
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:02:00 -
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this is why soverignty (spelling) is crappy i have bought and sold things in 0.0 space and had the same issues without relising i didn't have access.
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Originally by: Chribba
Megan Fox, call me! -> 1-800-CHRIBBA
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:06:00 -
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hey hey
DONT give her stuff back, dont even accept any contract from her. If you suspect her of being a spy then you had 100% right to boot her. Its gutting i'll admit but its EvE and well within game mechanics.
If this was reversed then everyone would be screaming at you that you sould have protected your corp, assets, system etc. etc. the fact that someone actually done the right thing to protect themselves should deserve a small congrats.
Ive never done anything worthy of being kicked from my corp and if i had i would expect the kicking. Id also like to note that i also have loads of items/ships stuck in deep 0.0 stations where they have een overrun or my corp has left the alliance it belonged to.
Tbh **** happens and ya gotta deal with it. If you pettitioned and got your stuff /moved it wouldnt be fair and everyone else who has docking rights revoked or looses a station etc. etc. could automagically get their stuffÖ If you were a victim of a membership scam then id agree with you but thats about the only time i would.
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:08:00 -
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spies are smart, she if she was... was a stupid spy.
if u guna spy in bob u dont put ur belongings in their station.. i mean c'mon!
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Originally by: Chribba
Megan Fox, call me! -> 1-800-CHRIBBA
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
It was FREGE allianxce btw that did this.
These guys were always a bunch of ****ers.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:13:00 -
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Can't you put the stuff into a courier contract, then get someone else to pick it all up for you?
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:28:00 -
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There's already another topic about this in CAOD.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey
hey hey
DONT give her stuff back, dont even accept any contract from her. If you suspect her of being a spy then you had 100% right to boot her. Its gutting i'll admit but its EvE and well within game mechanics.
If this was reversed then everyone would be screaming at you that you sould have protected your corp, assets, system etc. etc. the fact that someone actually done the right thing to protect themselves should deserve a small congrats.
Ive never done anything worthy of being kicked from my corp and if i had i would expect the kicking. Id also like to note that i also have loads of items/ships stuck in deep 0.0 stations where they have een overrun or my corp has left the alliance it belonged to.
Tbh **** happens and ya gotta deal with it. If you pettitioned and got your stuff /moved it wouldnt be fair and everyone else who has docking rights revoked or looses a station etc. etc. could automagically get their stuffÖ If you were a victim of a membership scam then id agree with you but thats about the only time i would.
It shouldn't be petitionable, but both sides should be able to reach an understanding. FREGE has protected their corp assets/info/etc against a suspected threat. With that done, they should work with the OP to find an equitable solution. EVE is a PVP game. We rely on the good sportsmanship of our in-game "friends" and our in-game "enemies" to enjoy it. Effectively removing someone from the game cheapens it for everyone else.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.07.07 08:56:00 -
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Next time install a jump clone, they cant revoke that and you can get one ship with your most valuable assets aboard out that way and set the rest of your stuff to sell on the market.
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Kesh McCall
Caldari
Galactic Science Network
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Posted - 2007.07.07 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
Next time install a jump clone, they cant revoke that and you can get one ship with your most valuable assets aboard out that way and set the rest of your stuff to sell on the market.
... and then get killed and podded once she leaves the station :-)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.07.07 09:25:00 -
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you don;t have to undock, just put it on the market for 3 months, and jump back to old body 24 hours later. They can;t kill the clone, and you can access the, so if you do not undock, and you can use it again later, if stuff does not sell within 3 months.
Wastes a day, but still get your isk worth outta it.
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Baron Dots
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Posted - 2007.07.07 09:31:00 -
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What is wrong with you people?
LOOSING STUFF IN 0.0 STATIONS IS A REAL RISK IN PLAYING IN 0.0
If he wants them back, he should join a corp that fights to take that station.
This is normal and should be like this.
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Paigan
Amarr
Thirdwave
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Posted - 2007.07.07 09:54:00 -
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Set up a courier contract with a huge collateral.
If they deliver it, you win and they haven't had any loss.
If they keep it, you win as well.
If they don't accept the contract, they're nothing more than scammers.
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R2 D3
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.07 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Paigan
Set up a courier contract with a huge collateral.
If they deliver it, you win and they haven't had any loss.
If they keep it, you win as well.
If they don't accept the contract, they're nothing more than scammers.
nah that won't work best way is to sell them to corps/alliances/individuals there for less then market price take your loss and get to empire.
or set contract auctions for hangar clearout.
nobody sane would transport stuff from the drone regions to empire for a booted member by a contract.
might be a idea if you had members in the corp you are booted from that you still really trust to let them carier jump it up? (you can still do that by a contract but you need people in your former corp that trust you). if that is not the case...... well no other choice then sell them with a small loss.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.07 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Dots
What is wrong with you people?
LOOSING STUFF IN 0.0 STATIONS IS A REAL RISK IN PLAYING IN 0.0
If he wants them back, he should join a corp that fights to take that station.
This is normal and should be like this.
This is why this whole thing is more than a bit silly. If he were a spy he'd be insanely stupid to put all of his assets under the thumb of the entity he is fighting against. Whatever the details are, the parties should work something out so everyone is happy. We're all adults, or at least we play them on the internet.
If he were a spy perhaps. On the other hand, if he were a spy he wouldn't have all of his stuff in that station and it wouldn't be an issue.
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Icarus Starkiller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.07 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
It's not an option. His items are in his corp hangar and he can't dock here. He's a suspected spy and we're not going to let him come here to take his Pilgrim and undock in our space. Especially after his tirade and threats he's made against us.
We've been more than reasonable about this entire situation. I don't know what else we can do to appease Dalanoria.
Dalanoria? AH! Ah HA HA! The little twit that was throwing the middle finger up in local every time she saw a war target? You guys kicked her and locked down all her stuff? Oh, bloody rich hilarity there, I'll post it to our corp mail, they'll get a real laugh out of this.
I cannot imagine that she has a mil in her hangar or wallet, tho, since I never saw her in anything bigger than a nuub ship or pod (both popped nicely).
Good job, FREGE, good work there, and that coming from your enemy.
Keep her stuff locked down. :)
Oh... and yes, she is a BoB alt.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.07 11:24:00 -
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Deal with it. With BASIC trade skills you can setup sell orders from within the same system, with a few k sp in there you can do it from 5 systems out. Anything that isn't packaged you can put on a hangar clearout contract from ANYWHERE in the galaxy. Anything in 0.0 easily sells for more than in empire, except the rat loot in that specific region.
Judging by the other replies, you're not the kind of personality I would want in a corp. Good job kicking him Frege.
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente
WOLFPACK DELTA
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Posted - 2007.07.07 12:35:00 -
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Well this just made sure i wouldnt join a frege corp. This is beyond idiotic and vindictive.
Give proof or let this stuff go...Btw if this is a BOB spy you better hope it isnt a high placed one. Or maybe they will just come and take it. Honestly petition the whole friggin alliance and let the GM's sort it out. I hate BOB as much as the next guy but this kind of hit basically would make sure i hit the unsubscribe button. As for 'Fair prices' I call BS on that. Especially when you put it in quotes what you offering 1 isk per item?
Asshattery at its finest. It shows just how far some people take this game. Personally i just pod and be done with it. This is overkill and bad form. Give the player back the property and let this end.
That or if the player actually IS a bob spy just wait. Odds are you will lose the system within 2 weeks. *shrug* You people are hereby reminded its JUST A GAME. It isnt like the player was trying to remove secret documents in his PANTS or stuff. By the way frege just how many spies you got in BOB anyway? Probably more than they got in Frege i would imagine. I hope your spies arent found out. Or its likely now they will be just as vindictive... By the by...why the hell would a spy keep so much stuff at the enemy base? I mean come on!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.07.07 12:50:00 -
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bad style  its a game, someone spent tons of money playing it, least you can do is let him/her move the stuff first.
who cares if the "spy" gets his/her stuff before getting kicked? going to nuke you all with some hidden DD while moving the stuff when your possibly hiding from sutch events inside a station shivering? 
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Heritor
Caldari
Polytope
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Posted - 2007.07.07 12:55:00 -
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Moral of the story is not to join not to jion paranoid allinces and never give anybody reason to be paranoid about your character 
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Ketrin
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Posted - 2007.07.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dalanoria
Edited by: Dalanoria on 07/07/2007 05:03:09
Ive been kicked from a corp, called a BOB alt spy..Good for them thinking I have anything to do with BOB.....Unfortunetly, my tech II ships + 1 bill in mods is in theyre station, and ofcourse i was banned from docking..........
They banned me and kicked me while on a ops...How do I get my belongings back....
Just make a corp then alliance then kick the **** out of them then take station then get your stuff back!
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.07.07 13:53:00 -
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Get one of your friends in the alliance to courier your stuff out (you did make at least one friend, right?)
Put them up as a contract to sell, at a discount.
Or put them up with a reasonable collatral as a courier contract, and with a reward of a similar amount to the discount you would have given if you had wanted to sell stuff.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.07 14:01:00 -
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So we learn a valuable lesson. If you live in a player-owned station, always leave a jumpclone there.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Araviel
Gallente
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.07.07 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
The offer was made to Dalanoria to contract the items to our corp at "fair" prices and we would buy the items from the character.
you lowlife, you where only after getting her stuff for cheap from the start,
Frege is now on our -10 list
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 15:53:00 -
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"fair" was to mean a "fair" profit. Almost everything in 0.0 is more expensive than empire. Some of you don't seem to have a clue about 0.0 life, so why comment on it. There is another post in CAOD and I will no longer be posting to two threads on the same subject.
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
There is another post in CAOD and I will no longer be posting to two threads on the same subject.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552092
Edit: NVM it's locked.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.07 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
I cannot imagine that she has a mil in her hangar or wallet, tho, since I never saw her in anything bigger than a nuub ship or pod (both popped nicely).
If this whole thing is a troll and OP has an ibis in station, this is epic.
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Ga'len
Amarr
Wandering Druid
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
It's not an option. His items are in his corp hangar and he can't dock here. He's a suspected spy and we're not going to let him come here to take his Pilgrim and undock in our space. Especially after his tirade and threats he's made against us.
We've been more than reasonable about this entire situation. I don't know what else we can do to appease Dalanoria.
Just a thought, take all his stuff, put it in a freighter and have him pay a relocation fee.
Just a thought.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:09:00 -
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It does not mather. If he disrespected the corp members in vent as stated, then he deserved to be kicked and loose everything! Peopel must take consequences for their actiosn and learn that you cannot offend someone and expect them to not take actions on you if its within their reach.
I aplaud any decision made to punsih disrespectfull people.
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Icarus Starkiller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
It does not mather. If he disrespected the corp members in vent as stated, then he deserved to be kicked and loose everything! Peopel must take consequences for their actiosn and learn that you cannot offend someone and expect them to not take actions on you if its within their reach.
I aplaud any decision made to punsih disrespectfull people.
It's not that this sorry individual disrespected the corp in TS, she/he/it disrespected everybody she came across. Even after doing the whole 'finger' in local with several of its corpmates in a 0.0 system and they said rather point blank that it was uncalled for. So it started smacking their allies in local, and the local war targets, and anyone else who told it to shut up.
So, I say FREGE did right by kicking it from the corp and they should not ever allow it anywhere near their space, much less able to pick up the few pieces of low end goods left behind. Let 'em sit in the hangar and gather dust.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.07 20:36:00 -
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Im feeling really vindictive all of a sudden, I think maybe its time for my lunch. Anyway, what Id do assuming you werent a bob spy and just feel prey to some bull**** alliance paranoia is make a new char, put it in their alliance, get your stuff back through new char and then become a proper bob spy. It might take a bit of time to get everything set up but hey, revenge is a dish best served cold right? 
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Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler
Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.07 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
Im feeling really vindictive all of a sudden, I think maybe its time for my lunch. Anyway, what Id do assuming you werent a bob spy and just feel prey to some bull**** alliance paranoia is make a new char, put it in their alliance, get your stuff back through new char and then become a proper bob spy. It might take a bit of time to get everything set up but hey, revenge is a dish best served cold right?
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Pelf Matagraph
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Posted - 2007.07.07 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dalanoria
Edited by: Dalanoria on 07/07/2007 05:03:09
Ive been kicked from a corp, called a BOB alt spy..Good for them thinking I have anything to do with BOB.....Unfortunetly, my tech II ships + 1 bill in mods is in theyre station, and ofcourse i was banned from docking..........
They banned me and kicked me while on a ops...How do I get my belongings back....
I'm really sorry to hear this. It's not good gamesmanship. It's just another situation where a corp full of cheap losers is using "Meta Gaming" as an excuse for being bung-cavities.
I just love the whole "Suspected" spy thing. How Rich!
I "Suspect" your former corp members are sad idiots.
Think of it this way, be happy there is 0.0 space. It gets all those hyper-sensitive power control freaks out of empire space, and gives you a nice place to visit them- when you really want to.
Rejoice, for the moron kings of outer space have identified themselves. After all, how a person plays a game, even the game of life, speaks about them personally.
Assuming you are not a spy, and I'm making that assumption, move on with a glad heart that karma, the great equalizer, can level alliances.
I've seen it happen.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.07 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Originally by: Dalanoria
Edited by: Dalanoria on 07/07/2007 05:03:09
Ive been kicked from a corp, called a BOB alt spy..Good for them thinking I have anything to do with BOB.....Unfortunetly, my tech II ships + 1 bill in mods is in theyre station, and ofcourse i was banned from docking..........
They banned me and kicked me while on a ops...How do I get my belongings back....
I'm really sorry to hear this. It's not good gamesmanship. It's just another situation where a corp full of cheap losers is using "Meta Gaming" as an excuse for being bung-cavities.
I just love the whole "Suspected" spy thing. How Rich!
I "Suspect" your former corp members are sad idiots.
Think of it this way, be happy there is 0.0 space. It gets all those hyper-sensitive power control freaks out of empire space, and gives you a nice place to visit them- when you really want to.
Rejoice, for the moron kings of outer space have identified themselves. After all, how a person plays a game, even the game of life, speaks about them personally.
Assuming you are not a spy, and I'm making that assumption, move on with a glad heart that karma, the great equalizer, can level alliances.
I've seen it happen.
Someone for got to train up Thread Reading rank 1
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon!
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Jonathos
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Posted - 2007.07.07 22:14:00 -
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Is this a joke?? It's 0.0! That's the POINT of 0.0!! A lot of risk and a lot of reward, these things happen. I got scammed a few days ago and lost 3/4 of everything I own in game, but I understand that is the risk of trading without much experience. If you play EVE you should enjoy the game for these dynamics, DO NOT give this player their belongings back, allowing them to sell is generous enough.
P.S. I am accepting donations
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sesanti
Minmatar
Universal Exports
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.07 22:35:00 -
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I will make a note to never join FREGE. Sorry for your loss, mate! 
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.07.07 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
I'm not sure that it will do any good petitioning this, as I don't see it as a scam.
I do not know the full situation, so it is perfectly possible that they have something to base their suspicions on. Besides, if the stuff is in Dalanoria's own hangar and not the corp-hangar, they will not have access to it, so getting them as part of a scam is rather pointless.
Only advise I can give you is to rejoin your corp if they ever let you, grab your stuff and get the heck out again...
petition it under harashing, and they will help you out,
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.07 23:15:00 -
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We have offered to buy back his things at Jita prices +5%.
We will not allow him safe passage through our space or access to any Alliance materials. He had the option of leaving on friendly terms with his things, but decided to go on a f-bomb (among other obscenities) tirade instead. His lack of respect and vulgar language, coupled with his threats of force against us have left us no choice, but the one given to Dalanoria.
We consider the ball in Dalanoria's court. It is up to Dalanoria to decide what is to be done. As far as DNS and Frege is concerned, this matter is closed.
PCaBoo
Communications Officer, Warmonger
DirtNapSquad
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.07.07 23:37:00 -
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I find it amazing all the people saying to give the stuff back, since these are the ones who always claim eve is like real life, if any alliance took any of you in, and after you brought all your stuff down, kicked you out, that's well within game mechanics as they say and un petitionable, who told you to be so trusting? Is that not the phrase you pundits like to kick around? If people can't be trusted for 1v1 why should they be trusted with all your stuff worth billions in their hangar.
that being said, I sympathize with the OP, and Frege sucks anyway. Everyone is so paranoid about this and that and spies and blah blah now, no one can be fair to no one no more, the slight suspicion he's a spy and you treat him like crap.
if you have suspicion and no proof, move his stuff out problem solved.
If he wants to grief you with a pilgrim, he can get one elsehwere and come back down to your space anyway.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.07 23:54:00 -
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I 've been frege in past, and one thing i liked there, no place for disrespect for others. That is why they deserve to be aplauded not reprimended!
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Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 00:31:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
that being said, I sympathize with the OP, and Frege sucks anyway. Everyone is so paranoid about this and that and spies and blah blah now, no one can be fair to no one no more, the slight suspicion he's a spy and you treat him like crap.
if you have suspicion and no proof, move his stuff out problem solved.
If you had cared to read the thread, you would have seen that such provisions were offered before the OP exploded and basically cussed everyone out. Since the OP's outburst, the offer has been retracted and the goods have been offered to be purchased at a 5% markup of Jita. So, FREGE has offered what you stated they should, but the OP's unnecessary outburst resulted in the offer being retracted.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:12:00 -
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I was mulling over joining FREGE alliance and now i never will! The shear cheek of them!
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Sebastian Draconis
Caldari
e X i l e
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:28:00 -
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Lol @ all this FREGE bashing
They had every right to kick a suspected spy, and they definatly didn't have to offer the suspected spy the opportunity to get their stuff. After said spy suspect's outburst, they really, really didn't have to offer the buy the stuff for a fair profit. They are being very generous in my opinion.
and by the way, In 0.0 its guilty until proven innocent.
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Qolde
Minmatar
Guardian Heroes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:34:00 -
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It's 100% fair. Being kicked from a corp is the chance you take when you join one. Having your possessions destroyed or lost is the chance you take when you are anywhere in 0.0. This happened to me. All you have to do is train up some low level trade skills and sneak out there to sell your stuff. Rule of thumb, don't keep more stuff in 0.0 than you have in empire, that way the loss can never be too much to bear. If you are more adventurous, join the corp with an alt, and think of a way to get your stuff back. Plenty of options out there besides whining on the forums about it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:38:00 -
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How can people think this is petitionable?
I fail to see any kind of exploit or cheating.
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Pelf Matagraph
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Posted - 2007.07.08 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
We have offered to buy back his things at Jita prices +5%.
We will not allow him safe passage through our space or access to any Alliance materials. He had the option of leaving on friendly terms with his things, but decided to go on a f-bomb (among other obscenities) tirade instead. His lack of respect and vulgar language, coupled with his threats of force against us have left us no choice, but the one given to Dalanoria.
We consider the ball in Dalanoria's court. It is up to Dalanoria to decide what is to be done. As far as DNS and Frege is concerned, this matter is closed.
Oooooh... the "F-Bomb"! Threats of force (?!?!)- one man Vs. the Alliance!
He's holding you hostage! You have no choice! You really hate to do it this way.... but in this situation you must protect yourself from "one" pilot!
Hyperbole, thy name is defeat!
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Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Oooooh... the "F-Bomb"! Threats of force (?!?!)- one man Vs. the Alliance!
He's holding you hostage! You have no choice! You really hate to do it this way.... but in this situation you must protect yourself from "one" pilot!
Hyperbole, thy name is defeat!
Why should someone who has made threats against the alliance be allowed in alliance space?
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Originally by: PCaBoo
It's not an option. His items are in his corp hangar and he can't dock here. He's a suspected spy and we're not going to let him come here to take his Pilgrim and undock in our space. Especially after his tirade and threats he's made against us.
We've been more than reasonable about this entire situation. I don't know what else we can do to appease Dalanoria.
Dalanoria? AH! Ah HA HA! The little twit that was throwing the middle finger up in local every time she saw a war target? You guys kicked her and locked down all her stuff? Oh, bloody rich hilarity there, I'll post it to our corp mail, they'll get a real laugh out of this.
I cannot imagine that she has a mil in her hangar or wallet, tho, since I never saw her in anything bigger than a nuub ship or pod (both popped nicely).
Good job, FREGE, good work there, and that coming from your enemy.
Keep her stuff locked down. :)
Oh... and yes, she is a BoB alt.
Yes, that Dalanoria. 
Tossing the whines in COAD and in this forum won't get your stuff back. As a fellow FREGE CEO, DNS did the right thing and has been MORE then equitable regarding purchasing the said equipment.
If you would have been in my corp and it was discovered you were spying, which is the same as stabbing us in the back, you would be old, grey and senile before you saw anything you left in a corp hangar. You should take the DNS buy out offer and STFU.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Originally by: Sebastian Draconis
Lol @ all this FREGE bashing
They had every right to kick a suspected spy, and they definatly didn't have to offer the suspected spy the opportunity to get their stuff. After said spy suspect's outburst, they really, really didn't have to offer the buy the stuff for a fair profit. They are being very generous in my opinion.
and by the way, In 0.0 its guilty until proven innocent.
Right.... if you are a political moron!
If I were the OP, after the treatment he was given, I'd join BOB, right freaking now, and hand them this juicy alliance with any information he has.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. If he was "suspected" any sane government would keep very close tabs on him... short leash... but oh so close.
No this is a case of an incompetent 0.0 government.
Look at what he is being accused of:
1. He's "suspected" of being a spy: Great- but they have no proof.
2. He used the "F-Bomb": Ok he got angry and went off. Big deal.
FREGE is apparently a bunch of slaptards. When BOB comes for them- they'll just roll over and start kicking each other out for spying.
What a country!
Gotta luv alts who smack. You don't hae a clue what you are talking about. I probably oughta include an IBTL, as this is getting silly.
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Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Right.... if you are a political moron!
If I were the OP, after the treatment he was given, I'd join BOB, right freaking now, and hand them this juicy alliance with any information he has.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. If he was "suspected" any sane government would keep very close tabs on him... short leash... but oh so close.
No this is a case of an incompetent 0.0 government.
Look at what he is being accused of:
1. He's "suspected" of being a spy: Great- but they have no proof.
2. He used the "F-Bomb": Ok he got angry and went off. Big deal.
FREGE is apparently a bunch of slaptards. When BOB comes for them- they'll just roll over and start kicking each other out for spying.
What a country!
From what I have seen and heard, it is kick first ask questions later in 0.0. Information is valuable. Thus, if you suspect someone is spying on all of your comms, best to remove them ASAP.
As for the exploding, it was not necessary and included a threat. Does any real world national government allow people who openly threaten them to waltz through the front door?
I see DNS acting with paranoia, but from things I have seen, it was to an appropriate reaction to the suspicion.
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dalanoria
Edited by: Dalanoria on 07/07/2007 05:03:09
Ive been kicked from a corp, called a BOB alt spy..Good for them thinking I have anything to do with BOB.....Unfortunetly, my tech II ships + 1 bill in mods is in theyre station, and ofcourse i was banned from docking..........
They banned me and kicked me while on a ops...How do I get my belongings back....
You seem to get kicked from a lot of corps lately. I remember at least two incidents where you were kicked because your silly and drunk postings on the boards. Maybe you just deserved a beating?
If i was you i'd start to think about my attitude...
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Pelf Matagraph
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Originally by: Sebastian Draconis
Lol @ all this FREGE bashing
They had every right to kick a suspected spy, and they definatly didn't have to offer the suspected spy the opportunity to get their stuff. After said spy suspect's outburst, they really, really didn't have to offer the buy the stuff for a fair profit. They are being very generous in my opinion.
and by the way, In 0.0 its guilty until proven innocent.
Right.... if you are a political moron!
If I were the OP, after the treatment he was given, I'd join BOB, right freaking now, and hand them this juicy alliance with any information he has.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. If he was "suspected" any sane government would keep very close tabs on him... short leash... but oh so close.
No this is a case of an incompetent 0.0 government.
Look at what he is being accused of:
1. He's "suspected" of being a spy: Great- but they have no proof.
2. He used the "F-Bomb": Ok he got angry and went off. Big deal.
FREGE is apparently a bunch of slaptards. When BOB comes for them- they'll just roll over and start kicking each other out for spying.
What a country!
Gotta luv alts who smack. You don't hae a clue what you are talking about. I probably oughta include an IBTL, as this is getting silly.
You miss the point:
1. You kicked a "spy". Whether or not he *is* a spy doesn't matter- his information will be used against you.... NOW
2. You named terms for his personal assets. Were he a spy he wouldn't have had assets of consequence, and probably would have not made a peep.
3. YOU (*******!) took the bait by responding to his post, defending your alliance to the last. (Which by the way opens you up to criticism.)
4. You attack the messenger with the whole "He posts as an alt" garbage.
You aren't effectively governing at all.
Advice: Shutup and run your alliance.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: HelloDevette on 08/07/2007 03:42:13
I just love the "I do not know it is just a game" types that are paranoid about spies etc... If you do not like the guy, fine give him his stuff back(he probably wasted a lot of time to acquire it), and simply blast him to hell if you ever see him again.
Also try to remember that you are in a video game.
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Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
You miss the point:
1. You kicked a "spy". Whether or not he *is* a spy doesn't matter- his information will be used against you.... NOW
2. You named terms for his personal assets. Were he a spy he wouldn't have had assets of consequence, and probably would have not made a peep.
3. YOU (*******!) took the bait by responding to his post, defending your alliance to the last. (Which by the way opens you up to criticism.)
4. You attack the messenger with the whole "He posts as an alt" garbage.
You aren't effectively governing at all.
Advice: Shutup and run your alliance.
Out of curiosity, why defend this one instance of such so vehemently? What about all the other people that were booted from a corp and lost stuff in 0.0? What about all the people who lost stuff to their station being conquered? What makes this one special? That they were a suspected spy? How is kicking someone you don't trust different from kicking someone that you don't like or that is intentionally offensive against corp rules?
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Anferney
Ethereal Mercenary Services
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: HelloDevette
Edited by: HelloDevette on 08/07/2007 03:42:13
I just love the "I do not know it is just a game" types that are paranoid about spies etc... If you do not like the guy, fine give him his stuff back(he probably wasted a lot of time to acquire it), and simply blast him to hell if you ever see him again.
Also try to remember that you are in a video game.
Since this game is competitive, you wish to beat others. They use spies. Therefore, you must account for this. How is this paranoia not playing the game? Is it going against your idea of what the game should be where everyone can trust everyone else and not tell their competitors all their secrets?
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R2 D3
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.08 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
You miss the point:
1. You kicked a "spy". Whether or not he *is* a spy doesn't matter- his information will be used against you.... NOW
2. You named terms for his personal assets. Were he a spy he wouldn't have had assets of consequence, and probably would have not made a peep.
3. YOU (*******!) took the bait by responding to his post, defending your alliance to the last. (Which by the way opens you up to criticism.)
4. You attack the messenger with the whole "He posts as an alt" garbage.
You aren't effectively governing at all.
Advice: Shutup and run your alliance.
1. lol yeah all the secret frege information (hint they are a big alliance living in the drone regions)
most big alliances don't give uber secret intel to members who are less then a month in corp. asside of that what big alliance in eve would possibly care about the drone regions?
2. having a pilgrim on a spy alt in hostile space is not unhandy but I personally don't think he is a spy. still if he joins a corp where the rule is if we for whatever reasson don't want you in the corp the first month you are with us (afaik they had that rule) we boot you no harm done.
well he got booted within that time got the ability to move his stuff out but he go all angry on vent. and then wonder why he won't get his stuff moved out by his former alliancem8s.
3. I think my personal respect for frege has grown after this tbh but for those who don't know how 0.0 work yeah frege might lost some respect.
4. I think he tried to say that if you don't dare to say what you post now on your main is the information then relevant or important enough to read.
pelf really it is not unheard of that people are booted from there corp and well to lose docking rights/other way to move stuff out rights then you need to screw it up badly most corps don't mind helping members out when they hear they got booted.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.07.08 08:47:00 -
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as others said, this is part of the game
I feel sorry for you but I see no exploit, just allowed game mechanics
create an alt and eventually sneak in there with him to pick up the contract
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.08 09:14:00 -
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I volunteer to go pick up his stuff.. podding frege noobs as i go.
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Heritor
Moral of the story is not to join not to jion paranoid allinces and never give anybody reason to be paranoid about your character
No, the moral of thew story is that unless you are able to be civil to they guys owning the station where you stuff is you might lose it. (Not loose it;) )
I do not "know" Ferge, and I do not know th op so all I have to go on are the two(?) posts about this and I am having troubles seing what else they should have done. If they had been vindictive they had said: "sure come and get it, you have docking rights for another hour" and then just ganked him, podded him and hoped that he had not moved the clone so they could pod him again getting some SP's down.
Ohh, and to all you who tells him to join BoB....what can I say... I acctually think that is degrading towards BoB.
Do you realy think they'd accept what might well be a tripple or quadruple agent/spy master? I thought that BoB allways where accused of being the masters of social engineering and I have not realy seen such mastery here...more like social suicide bombing 
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Senghir
Amarr
Viceroy's Office
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.07.08 12:06:00 -
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Seems like a stupid situation to me. Sounds like a **** thing to happen, but she sounds like a spy to me after reading the posts on both topics. Dont have any evidence, but I'm happy to accuse anyway :)
Morale of the story is to not put all your valuables in a 0.0 station. Heheh.
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ElCholo
Minmatar
FarCry Inc
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 13:05:00 -
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You can always let him dock to pick up his ship, then when he does, gank it and pod him 
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Regarun
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Posted - 2007.07.08 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I volunteer to go pick up his stuff.. podding frege noobs as i go.
SKUNK
Does the offer extend to anyone that was kicked from a corp ever in 0.0 for lack of trust?
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
I volunteer to go pick up his stuff.. podding frege noobs as i go.
SKUNK
Sounds good. Bring something expensive and come through N-RAEL.
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Cherybol
Caldari
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:40:00 -
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Hmm, as much as I am set to positive standings with FERGE. It saddens me to see such a stunt pulled.
At least let the poor bastard pick up his junk. Then let him just fend for himself in 0.0
If you want to camp the station while he does so, do it, he might bring in back up.
On another note, by implying him to bring his exspensive ship through N-RAEL are you the ones that are always camping that gate? I always get nuked to hell and back when running through it.
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.08 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cherybol
Hmm, as much as I am set to positive standings with FERGE. It saddens me to see such a stunt pulled.
At least let the poor bastard pick up his junk. Then let him just fend for himself in 0.0
If you want to camp the station while he does so, do it, he might bring in back up.
On another note, by implying him to bring his exspensive ship through N-RAEL are you the ones that are always camping that gate? I always get nuked to hell and back when running through it.
First of all, it's FREGE (Free Galactic Enterprises). Secondly, I don't understand where you're getting a "stunt" from. We're not running some sort of scam to keep his items hostage. If you had cared to read any of the many posts and tried to understand any of them, maybe you would have figured that out. Lastly, it is not in our interest to allow a pilot who has openly threatened our pilots to dock in our station in a combat ship. While his demise would be swift, the potential of him taking someone down with him, or escaping into space to cloak in our outpost system is unacceptable. It's also a tremendous waste of time and effort waiting for him to undock.
As for your last comment, if you're blue to us, you would have access to intel channels that would help you avoid being nuked. Half the universe camps that system at various times of the day. It is a major pipe for several of the alliances (blue and red) in the nearby regions.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:53:00 -
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I bet it was the REAL BoB spy that got people to think this guy was the BoB spy!
Kick them all, God will know his own! 
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Cherybol
Caldari
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.07.09 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Cherybol
Hmm, as much as I am set to positive standings with FERGE. It saddens me to see such a stunt pulled.
At least let the poor bastard pick up his junk. Then let him just fend for himself in 0.0
If you want to camp the station while he does so, do it, he might bring in back up.
On another note, by implying him to bring his exspensive ship through N-RAEL are you the ones that are always camping that gate? I always get nuked to hell and back when running through it.
First of all, it's FREGE (Free Galactic Enterprises). Secondly, I don't understand where you're getting a "stunt" from. We're not running some sort of scam to keep his items hostage. If you had cared to read any of the many posts and tried to understand any of them, maybe you would have figured that out. Lastly, it is not in our interest to allow a pilot who has openly threatened our pilots to dock in our station in a combat ship. While his demise would be swift, the potential of him taking someone down with him, or escaping into space to cloak in our outpost system is unacceptable. It's also a tremendous waste of time and effort waiting for him to undock.
As for your last comment, if you're blue to us, you would have access to intel channels that would help you avoid being nuked. Half the universe camps that system at various times of the day. It is a major pipe for several of the alliances (blue and red) in the nearby regions.
Heh, understood.
I write some stupid posts in the morning, forgive me.
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