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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:30:00 - [1] Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:35:28 Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:29:38 I found an article that when poof a few days later about isk selling sites merging to try to sell thier isk. the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV) so basically no one is buying isk the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact point is huzzah the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. and all of those isk farmers will have to get jobs farming gold. I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) yes I'm basically talking to myself but I thought someone might be interesting in knowing were almost at the end of this isk war no comments needed this can sink to the bottom ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:39:00 - [2] we are so evil against those poor little farmers. But we cant stop the eternal fight yet! think ccp should write a dev blog about the war against isk-buyers Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:42:00 - [3] I heard some people are violence their boats...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:45:00 - [4] yup there is no way CCP can jsut shut them out but we can fight them! never give up! never surrender! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:52:00 - [5] In a player-created society, the best way to deal with players of any kind are...well...other players. Isk sellers are learning this the hard way. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:57:00 - [6] and unlike wow where players don't feel gold buying we all cry a little when someone buys isk. it seems it's not the the gaming communty that doesn't understand what eve really is but the farming world as well. farming in eve could only lead to a horrible profit. because we have real loss, meaning the farmers have to deal woith this. and we get really ****ed. how many other games get your heart pumping when you come across and try to break through a gate camp? silly farmers all they are doing is hurting themselfs also for a fun story they were advertising wow gold in a trade channel the other day lol. I guess they really are getting desperate ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Aldarus	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:00:00 - [7] also i think then sale of GTC for isk has had a large impact on the isk sellers
Gorek Loc Dawning Industries	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Fenren think ccp should write a dev blog about the war against isk-buyers Good idea, would be nice to know whether those corps that hunt down macro miners have been successful. And that it is useless to spam the help-channel with isk-selling offers.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:09:00 - [9] I must be asleep to finally realize that ISK is the official symbol for Icelandic Krona... ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:16:00 - [10] well tbh i think buying gtc's for rl money then selling them ingame for isk is almost as bad only difference is that the money goes to ccp and not to some tyrannic sweatshop owner who beats his slave-employees thats why i will never buy isk or sell gtc's for isk. I draw the line at having multiple accounts, and even that is sorta unfair to the people who can only afford 1, and yes i do have a 2nd account as well i admit to that fully and i also admit that his soul purpose is to help out my main. (allthough some of my corpmates think i got a split personality ) CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Aeran Hermas Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:19:00 - [11] Nice to know that somebody is having some success against these bast-, er, unpleasant elements of humanity. Still, there's nothing we can do about the hi-sec farmers (coughSalia regioncough) until and unless they're completely put out of business. -- Aeran Hermas Originally by: hUssmann VETO 404 - Sense of humour not found.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:26:00 - [12] Originally by: 000Hunter000 well tbh i think buying gtc's for rl money then selling them ingame for isk is almost as bad only difference is that the money goes to ccp and not to some tyrannic sweatshop owner who beats his slave-employees thats why i will never buy isk or sell gtc's for isk. I draw the line at having multiple accounts, and even that is sorta unfair to the people who can only afford 1, and yes i do have a 2nd account as well i admit to that fully and i also admit that his soul purpose is to help out my main. (allthough some of my corpmates think i got a split personality ) there is another difference actually less petitions about being ripped off less petetions of hacked accounts less banning and the isk wasn't made with a person who is macro mining or farming for real money cash. meaning it doesn't hit the market as a 1 bil a week isk flux. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 11/07/2007 17:27:25 Originally by: MotherMoon alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV) I wouldn't quite say by the 100s, as far as I'm aware I'm the first person to start scamming them out of isk and ship. We've only scammed about 20 of them so far. As for CCP banning the farmers/sellers, I've been submitting lists of every identified farmer I recruit/scam/kick, including chatlogs of them admitting to being farmers. So far, none of them have been banned. My first petition was submitted three weeks ago. Make your own conclusions.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:31:00 - [14] still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Enraku Reynolt Minmatar Phoenix Division	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:33:00 - [15] isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:35:00 - [16] Originally by: MotherMoon still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point True enough I suppose. Fountain farmers have been complaining of a lack of profits due to hostile activity. It really doesn't take much to quell an isk farmer infestation other than some dedicated pilots. Its the people who actually support the isk farmers and let them farm in peace that are bringing the game down.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: MotherMoon still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point True enough I suppose. Fountain farmers have been complaining of a lack of profits due to hostile activity. It really doesn't take much to quell an isk farmer infestation other than some dedicated pilots. Its the people who actually support the isk farmers and let them farm in peace that are bringing the game down. kudos to you sir keep up the fight ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:38:00 - [18] Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Enraku Reynolt isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed the biggest issue is that we have a player driven market. thats why it hurts us, thats why we get mad! Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:40:00 - [20] your forgetting all of those other games are one more than one server there is a very BIG difference ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
DarkMatter	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:40:00 - [21] Edited by: DarkMatter on 11/07/2007 17:41:08 Originally by: Caios Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over. Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... But hey, if some players want to use this as a form of PvP, so be it... But don't expect the problem to go away when CCP does so little to solve the problem... Building the homestead
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:45:00 - [22] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Caios Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over. Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... but the players are ending this already not many mature games buy isk when they can card trade ok listyen here is the difference a player buying a month of time for isk is PLAYING eve as in they want to keep playing and blowing people up. meaning they are down 200mil but get a month of game time. in the player driven econmy he has less money now. a farmer has a throw away account and will never use the isk. a farmer doesn't play. and thus when you uy isk form a farmer instead of a player that player isn't losing anything. they are just getting rich. With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Chevy Prefect	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:47:00 - [23] I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies.
Haclya	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:48:00 - [24] Edited by: Haclya on 11/07/2007 17:48:46 Ice belts in wuos is mined by the farmers i try to fight them but not aforth of smart bombing bs but hope people try to sopp them as i do keep up fight.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Sertan Deras on 11/07/2007 17:54:15 Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. They already do this, it's called GTC's, a completely legal and regulated way to turn your excess RL money in to internet spaceship ISK. My only issue with GTC's is that they are far more expensive per ISK than buying it from the farmers. We are talking 14.99 for ~180M, when the farmers are supposedly dumping it off at 3 dollars per 100M.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: DarkMatter Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... But hey, if some players want to use this as a form of PvP, so be it... But don't expect the problem to go away when CCP does so little to solve the problem... ccp does work. they removed over 400 billion last month. ccp cant do it all without us. it is WE, with the support of ccp that have the power to stop this! it is we, with the tools ccp grants us, that have to do the dirty work to remove this pest from our beloved server! We! not ccp, WE!! by constantly harassing them, by destroying their ships, by scamming them and in any other way disturp their farming! remember that GTC is the lesser of the two evils here. ccp can not remove gtc without giving the farmers an exelent opportunity to expand their durty buisness Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
DarkMatter	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:53:00 - [27] Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... Building the homestead
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. NO the money has to come form a player if it does not then it's **** up because no one losses someone has to get a negitive effect on their account when someone else buys isk balance man blance all isk has to come form in-game somewhere farmers are what mess up the system of buying isk for money form other players . if it wasn't for farming with unlitimed ammounts of isk unlike a player who doesn't want to sell all of his isk because he doesn't want to be broke. an isk seller is happy if he is broke ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:59:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... right that's my point. you can't fix it. but a farmer is more than a person selling isk, they are a person trying to get rid of all of thier income a normal player you by form in a GCT doesn't want to loss all of their money ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Xalorn Butcherbirds	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:02:00 - [30] GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job?

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