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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:30:00 - [1] Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:35:28 Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:29:38 I found an article that when poof a few days later about isk selling sites merging to try to sell thier isk. the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV) so basically no one is buying isk the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact point is huzzah the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. and all of those isk farmers will have to get jobs farming gold. I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) yes I'm basically talking to myself but I thought someone might be interesting in knowing were almost at the end of this isk war no comments needed this can sink to the bottom ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:39:00 - [2] we are so evil against those poor little farmers. But we cant stop the eternal fight yet! think ccp should write a dev blog about the war against isk-buyers Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:42:00 - [3] I heard some people are violence their boats...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:45:00 - [4] yup there is no way CCP can jsut shut them out but we can fight them! never give up! never surrender! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:52:00 - [5] In a player-created society, the best way to deal with players of any kind are...well...other players. Isk sellers are learning this the hard way. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 16:57:00 - [6] and unlike wow where players don't feel gold buying we all cry a little when someone buys isk. it seems it's not the the gaming communty that doesn't understand what eve really is but the farming world as well. farming in eve could only lead to a horrible profit. because we have real loss, meaning the farmers have to deal woith this. and we get really ****ed. how many other games get your heart pumping when you come across and try to break through a gate camp? silly farmers all they are doing is hurting themselfs also for a fun story they were advertising wow gold in a trade channel the other day lol. I guess they really are getting desperate ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Aldarus	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:00:00 - [7] also i think then sale of GTC for isk has had a large impact on the isk sellers
Gorek Loc Dawning Industries	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Fenren think ccp should write a dev blog about the war against isk-buyers Good idea, would be nice to know whether those corps that hunt down macro miners have been successful. And that it is useless to spam the help-channel with isk-selling offers.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:09:00 - [9] I must be asleep to finally realize that ISK is the official symbol for Icelandic Krona... ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:16:00 - [10] well tbh i think buying gtc's for rl money then selling them ingame for isk is almost as bad only difference is that the money goes to ccp and not to some tyrannic sweatshop owner who beats his slave-employees thats why i will never buy isk or sell gtc's for isk. I draw the line at having multiple accounts, and even that is sorta unfair to the people who can only afford 1, and yes i do have a 2nd account as well i admit to that fully and i also admit that his soul purpose is to help out my main. (allthough some of my corpmates think i got a split personality ) CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Aeran Hermas Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:19:00 - [11] Nice to know that somebody is having some success against these bast-, er, unpleasant elements of humanity. Still, there's nothing we can do about the hi-sec farmers (coughSalia regioncough) until and unless they're completely put out of business. -- Aeran Hermas Originally by: hUssmann VETO 404 - Sense of humour not found.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:26:00 - [12] Originally by: 000Hunter000 well tbh i think buying gtc's for rl money then selling them ingame for isk is almost as bad only difference is that the money goes to ccp and not to some tyrannic sweatshop owner who beats his slave-employees thats why i will never buy isk or sell gtc's for isk. I draw the line at having multiple accounts, and even that is sorta unfair to the people who can only afford 1, and yes i do have a 2nd account as well i admit to that fully and i also admit that his soul purpose is to help out my main. (allthough some of my corpmates think i got a split personality ) there is another difference actually less petitions about being ripped off less petetions of hacked accounts less banning and the isk wasn't made with a person who is macro mining or farming for real money cash. meaning it doesn't hit the market as a 1 bil a week isk flux. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:27:00 - [13] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 11/07/2007 17:27:25 Originally by: MotherMoon alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV) I wouldn't quite say by the 100s, as far as I'm aware I'm the first person to start scamming them out of isk and ship. We've only scammed about 20 of them so far. As for CCP banning the farmers/sellers, I've been submitting lists of every identified farmer I recruit/scam/kick, including chatlogs of them admitting to being farmers. So far, none of them have been banned. My first petition was submitted three weeks ago. Make your own conclusions.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:31:00 - [14] still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Enraku Reynolt Minmatar Phoenix Division	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:33:00 - [15] isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:35:00 - [16] Originally by: MotherMoon still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point True enough I suppose. Fountain farmers have been complaining of a lack of profits due to hostile activity. It really doesn't take much to quell an isk farmer infestation other than some dedicated pilots. Its the people who actually support the isk farmers and let them farm in peace that are bringing the game down.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: MotherMoon still farmers are more paranoid of beung hated than in any other game at the moment and 3$ for 100 mil? thats my biggest point True enough I suppose. Fountain farmers have been complaining of a lack of profits due to hostile activity. It really doesn't take much to quell an isk farmer infestation other than some dedicated pilots. Its the people who actually support the isk farmers and let them farm in peace that are bringing the game down. kudos to you sir keep up the fight ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:38:00 - [18] Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Enraku Reynolt isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed the biggest issue is that we have a player driven market. thats why it hurts us, thats why we get mad! Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:40:00 - [20] your forgetting all of those other games are one more than one server there is a very BIG difference ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
DarkMatter	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:40:00 - [21] Edited by: DarkMatter on 11/07/2007 17:41:08 Originally by: Caios Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over. Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... But hey, if some players want to use this as a form of PvP, so be it... But don't expect the problem to go away when CCP does so little to solve the problem... Building the homestead
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:45:00 - [22] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Caios Somehow, I don't think this has anything to do with a drop in buyers. I don't think people who buy isk in the first place would be detered by arguments against doing so. This has happened in a lot of MMOs I've played. Sellers spot demand and an untapped market, they move in. Buyers start a boom, more sellers move in. Prices go down, which increases demand. After a certain point, the sellers reach critical mass, with constant undercutting and increased hostility from the community rendering the venture no longer profitable. A bunch of sellers move on to another game, leaving a few remnants to cater to the stable population of regular buyers. Maybe the worst is over. Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... but the players are ending this already not many mature games buy isk when they can card trade ok listyen here is the difference a player buying a month of time for isk is PLAYING eve as in they want to keep playing and blowing people up. meaning they are down 200mil but get a month of game time. in the player driven econmy he has less money now. a farmer has a throw away account and will never use the isk. a farmer doesn't play. and thus when you uy isk form a farmer instead of a player that player isn't losing anything. they are just getting rich. With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Chevy Prefect	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:47:00 - [23] I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies.
Haclya	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:48:00 - [24] Edited by: Haclya on 11/07/2007 17:48:46 Ice belts in wuos is mined by the farmers i try to fight them but not aforth of smart bombing bs but hope people try to sopp them as i do keep up fight.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Sertan Deras on 11/07/2007 17:54:15 Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. They already do this, it's called GTC's, a completely legal and regulated way to turn your excess RL money in to internet spaceship ISK. My only issue with GTC's is that they are far more expensive per ISK than buying it from the farmers. We are talking 14.99 for ~180M, when the farmers are supposedly dumping it off at 3 dollars per 100M.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:49:00 - [26] Originally by: DarkMatter Sounds about right... CCP is the only one who can end/curb this, not the players themselves... But hey, if some players want to use this as a form of PvP, so be it... But don't expect the problem to go away when CCP does so little to solve the problem... ccp does work. they removed over 400 billion last month. ccp cant do it all without us. it is WE, with the support of ccp that have the power to stop this! it is we, with the tools ccp grants us, that have to do the dirty work to remove this pest from our beloved server! We! not ccp, WE!! by constantly harassing them, by destroying their ships, by scamming them and in any other way disturp their farming! remember that GTC is the lesser of the two evils here. ccp can not remove gtc without giving the farmers an exelent opportunity to expand their durty buisness Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
DarkMatter	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:53:00 - [27] Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... Building the homestead
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. NO the money has to come form a player if it does not then it's **** up because no one losses someone has to get a negitive effect on their account when someone else buys isk balance man blance all isk has to come form in-game somewhere farmers are what mess up the system of buying isk for money form other players . if it wasn't for farming with unlitimed ammounts of isk unlike a player who doesn't want to sell all of his isk because he doesn't want to be broke. an isk seller is happy if he is broke ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:59:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... right that's my point. you can't fix it. but a farmer is more than a person selling isk, they are a person trying to get rid of all of thier income a normal player you by form in a GCT doesn't want to loss all of their money ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Xalorn Butcherbirds	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:02:00 - [30] GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job?
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:05:00 - [31] can i have their stuff? o wait ..
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:07:00 - [32] Edited by: Fenren on 11/07/2007 18:07:07 Originally by: Xalorn GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. QFT as said before, it is the lesser of two evils I dont see anything wrong with buying GTC, you are actually helping the war against farmers althou i would never do that myself. GTC must stay in game! Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
DarkMatter	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:08:00 - [33] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... right that's my point. you can't fix it. but a farmer is more than a person selling isk, they are a person trying to get rid of all of thier income a normal player you by form in a GCT doesn't want to loss all of their money I guess I don't follow you... You said ISK farmers will NEVER exist with the GTC trade system, well they do... Simply sell the ISK for less than it cost's to use the GTC system... There will always be gamers looking to get ISK cheaper. I guess if you really want to help, use your ISK on a new account, and scam buyers who do not use the system, get then and your new account banned by reporting it via a "unanimous" alt. Get the buyers really fearful of not using the system. You get all the buyers to use the official trade system, then the farmers have no one to sell to... Building the homestead
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Gutsani can i have their stuff? o wait .. yes you can... but then we would hate you Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
Sertan Deras Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:13:00 - [35] The problem right now is that the price disparity is huge. it's 2.5:1, or close to it, right now. One can spend 14.95 on ~180M, or they can spend 6 bucks on 200M. I am all for following the official channel, but I can see the temptation to go black market when the prices are that different. Of course, the in-game prices of GTC's in ISK are set by the players, and I highly doubt most players are going to support 30 day GTC's suddenly becoming worth 300M ISK, but that's about what they would need to be worth to compete with the prices the farmers can give people.
Godstrike	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:13:00 - [36] Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: With the trading system isk farmers will never exist. because whats the point of trading isk for game time? the only point to this would be to play eve. and thus partiapate in the eve economy is anything I'm saying making sence? ISK farmers/sellers will not operate through the official trade system. There will always be players who want to buy ISK for RL cash... So there will always be a market, and there will always be ISK farmers/sellers until CCP can find and perfect a system to ban both buyers and sellers... Which, good luck, pretty hard to do. You will never END this activity completely without the game company banning those players... And CCP does not ban enough, or they let the farmers operate for far too long b4 they do so... You are definately correct logically. However try this on. The farmers are in essence converting time (man hours spent gaining x amount of game money) into $. When they get pkilled and have to go purchase another mining barge they are spending double time up to the cost of the ship to generate real money. Double time means twice the price in the real world market. If players keep at killing farmers, the price of the in game money becomes to high and they cant meet the RL market price point to make a profit. God how ironic is that? Its a war of the virtual market vs the real market. If they do well, our market looks like ****...if we do well, theirs...LOL!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:43:00 - [37] What many of these short sighted individuals fail to realize is that the farmers are exploiting the GTC market to pay for their many, many EVE accounts. Why waste real money paying for accounts when they can LEGALLY sell to players and just have X number of bots farming solely for subscription costs. Anyone who says GTC selling is different than selling ISK for hard currency needs to wake up. The only reason CCP allows GTC selling is because THEY get paided at the end of the day.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Derovius Vaden What many of these short sighted individuals fail to realize is that the farmers are exploiting the GTC market to pay for their many, many EVE accounts. Why waste real money paying for accounts when they can LEGALLY sell to players and just have X number of bots farming solely for subscription costs. Anyone who says GTC selling is different than selling ISK for hard currency needs to wake up. The only reason CCP allows GTC selling is because THEY get paided at the end of the day. sure they do, but it would be worse without the GTC, because then the isk-sellers would have monopoly on the isk-market Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:19:00 - [40] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process USE PUNCTATION GOD ******* DAMN IT! LET ME HELP YOU, THE FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF ABOVE MENTIONED SENTENCE PAUSES AND SO FORTH: . = PERIOD. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR SENTENCE WITH THIS. , = COMMA. MAKE SURE TO BREAK UP YOUR IDEAS AND STATEMENTS WITH THIS. : = COLON. NO, NOT THAT ONE. MAKE SURE TO START YOUR LISTS WITH THIS. ; = SEMICOLON. MAKE SURE TO JOIN TWO UNRELATED TOPICS IN ONE SENTENCE TOGETHER WITH THIS. ! = EXCLEMATION POINT. MAKE SURE TO USE FOR EMPHASIS OF A PARTICULARY IMPORTANT POINT! ? = QUESTION MARK. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CONFUSION?! NO?! GOOD!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Derovius Vaden funny stuff You remind me of the guy in hells kitchen. :) --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Cker ZeZ Research	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:26:00 - [42] Dude... calm down. Get some prozac or ritalin. Either that or work at a community college and bawl at all the illiterate 45 year olds
dragonssbane Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:29:00 - [43] Well I have my security rating back up on my main and I think its time for another SB raven of doom run in high sec. Last time we took out 5 mackinaws and their pods. all at one time. Which was fun as hell. Those isk farmers were ****ed. This time I am going to contract their bodies back to them.
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process USE PUNCTATION GOD ******* DAMN IT! LET ME HELP YOU, THE FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF ABOVE MENTIONED SENTENCE PAUSES AND SO FORTH: . = PERIOD. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR SENTENCE WITH THIS. , = COMMA. MAKE SURE TO BREAK UP YOUR IDEAS AND STATEMENTS WITH THIS. : = COLON. NO, NOT THAT ONE. MAKE SURE TO START YOUR LISTS WITH THIS. ; = SEMICOLON. MAKE SURE TO JOIN TWO UNRELATED TOPICS IN ONE SENTENCE TOGETHER WITH THIS. ! = EXCLEMATION POINT. MAKE SURE TO USE FOR EMPHASIS OF A PARTICULARY IMPORTANT POINT! ? = QUESTION MARK. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CONFUSION?! NO?! GOOD!
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Xalorn Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. well it was ~$6.50/100m two weeks ago according to all the spams in the blueprints channel, so if it's down to $3 now that's a pretty quick drop.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:05:00 - [46] the farmers are getting quite desperate these days. They are banding together, and have protection. A certain group in Venal has banded together at least 7 strong, 6 farming ravens, 1 protection pvp fitted domi. The system they like has 42 belts, so they can all be in there together, but they spread out sometimes as well... last night I went in there in my Domi, they all logged upon my entry (damn local) I proceeded to rat just to break thier spawn chains, i went to leave, and meet thier Domi on the gate, and he engaged ME. After i committed, all the ravens logged on, and warped to the gate at range. Luckily, my corp lives 2 jumps away, and with the help of a ratting mega, a crow, and a dictor, we kill the domi, another raven, and a third raven that logged off agressed, with no loses (barely). We wonder if they will be back, prolly. Did feel really nice just the same to bring the hurt. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn the farmers are getting quite desperate these days. They are banding together, and have protection. A certain group in Venal has banded together at least 7 strong, 6 farming ravens, 1 protection pvp fitted domi. The system they like has 42 belts, so they can all be in there together, but they spread out sometimes as well... last night I went in there in my Domi, they all logged upon my entry (damn local) I proceeded to rat just to break thier spawn chains, i went to leave, and meet thier Domi on the gate, and he engaged ME. After i committed, all the ravens logged on, and warped to the gate at range. Luckily, my corp lives 2 jumps away, and with the help of a ratting mega, a crow, and a dictor, we kill the domi, another raven, and a third raven that logged off agressed, with no loses (barely). We wonder if they will be back, prolly. Did feel really nice just the same to bring the hurt. How does that make him a farmer? Sounds like he did everything he should have to try and protect his turf.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:07:00 - [48] also, they spam application to all the corps in a region, trying to get blue to people. We hunted one guy, and the next night he applied to our corp. was nice for awhile, we got at least 5 or 6 kills easily, cause they were blue, and for once did not insta log upon our entry to the system. They have since learned what it means when NOQ enters system. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process USE PUNCTUATION GOD ***** DAMN IT! LET ME HELP YOU, THE FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF ABOVE MENTIONED SENTENCE PAUSES AND SO FORTH: . = PERIOD. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR SENTENCE WITH THIS. , = COMMA. MAKE SURE TO BREAK UP YOUR IDEAS AND STATEMENTS WITH THIS. : = COLON. NO, NOT THAT ONE. MAKE SURE TO START YOUR LISTS WITH THIS. ; = SEMICOLON. MAKE SURE TO JOIN TWO UNRELATED TOPICS IN ONE SENTENCE TOGETHER WITH THIS. ! = EXCLAMATION POINT. MAKE SURE TO USE FOR EMPHASIS OF A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT POINT! ? = QUESTION MARK. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CONFUSION?! NO?! GOOD! Emperor D'Hoffryn** No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn the farmers are getting quite desperate these days. They are banding together, and have protection. A certain group in Venal has banded together at least 7 strong, 6 farming ravens, 1 protection pvp fitted domi. The system they like has 42 belts, so they can all be in there together, but they spread out sometimes as well... last night I went in there in my Domi, they all logged upon my entry (damn local) I proceeded to rat just to break thier spawn chains, i went to leave, and meet thier Domi on the gate, and he engaged ME. After i committed, all the ravens logged on, and warped to the gate at range. Luckily, my corp lives 2 jumps away, and with the help of a ratting mega, a crow, and a dictor, we kill the domi, another raven, and a third raven that logged off agressed, with no loses (barely). We wonder if they will be back, prolly. Did feel really nice just the same to bring the hurt. How does that make him a farmer? Sounds like he did everything he should have to try and protect his turf. we have mis-identified farmers in the past, but this group is well known. all in newb corps, all with similar names. for example, domi pilot was zd99999, one raven was zd9999, another was zd999. the other ravens had other strange names, now designed to sound real, like ocean tears or johnny handsome. they extensive playtime (if i logged on now, they would be there, if i log on 8 hours from now, they would be there) is another sign. They usually never say anything in local, if they do, its usually a canned phrase repeated over and over. If they actually make sentenances, even in another language, we usually leave them alone if they are blue, neuts are always nbsi. the isk may be getting cheaper, but the number of insta logging cloaking farming ravens in 0.0 are skyrocketing. At best, they are alts making money for someone, usually they are farmers, sadly. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Mo adib	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I heard some people are violence their boats... you no violence our boats!!
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Jack CracKK Caldari Tactical Enterprise Group LTD	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:21:00 - [53] With that kind of price drop im sure we will see more and more 2 week old players in Navy issue battleships fitted with small guns and light missles, and faction tanks. Makes me cry knowing that i actually earn my isk and dont buy it. We need a Marco channel on the forums so the systems can be posted and all pirates/marco-haters can go there and have some free fun. Maybe if we could bribe concord to take a 15 minutes coffee break that might work as well
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:47:00 - [55] I'd like to see some unbiased facts proving that this article isn't completely based on fiction and purposely written to spread a bit of propaganda and say "the problem isn't as bad as it seems". Oh hangon, "its on teh intranets it Muzt B Tru, day evan publushed it n teir OwN MagAzinE". What happend to Proof or STFU ? ______________________________
P3109	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:58:00 - [56] heh awsome, i feel good for doing my part. the other day i stole from a macroers hulk, and apparantly he had about 6 other alts in local in hulks also. i stole from all of them opend a convo with the guy, he was speaking chinese so i poped open my online translator and i guess i angerd and or scared him so much that all 6 of his charicters loged jsut gives you that nice warm fuzzy feeling inside and in local huzzas were passed around -------------------------------------------------- Arvald's temporary alt....damn creditcard company not letting me put money on me card ><
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.11 23:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. STUFF RABBLE It's a forum, and dispite going grammer ** you seemed to have completly understood what I wrote. hmm lets review shall we? "no no, it was a change of 20$ for 100 mil to 3$ for 100mil sry about that" look I rewrote it, it still doesn't have any periods. But you can understand the topic and the point! OMG. wait... do you put periods after your posts when using in-game chat? Wow, I pity you. good to see everyone else is on my side :P next time I'm posting in l33t just to ** you off ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.11 23:14:00 - [58] Originally by: Araxmas Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. "Grammer" you say?
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.07.12 01:45:00 - [59] This is awsome news, I so respect the 0.0 goers now :) A Minmater City... Cool! My Skills
Toria Nynys Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.12 02:12:00 - [60] My own pet theory is farmers are getting scared away from the big MMOs by the usual suspects simply by the threat of lawsuits. It costs money to defend yourself in court, doubly so when you have to do so in a foreign land. That's why we have had the insane amount of gold selling spam in every channel lately. There's just that many more bodies churning out the ISK 23/7. Support for this theory is people seeing (and whining about) more cloaking Ravens in 0.0, and the drastic price cuts in farmed ISK (and rise in ISK price of GTCs). And yeah, Eve with its older player base is the ideal MMO for those guys. The value proposition to pvpers is pretty clear -- grind for 60c/hr, or just pay the man (tm). For most carebears I imagine making the ISK is the whole game, so they're probably not into farmed ISK so much.
Laidback Luke Pac Man Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.12 02:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. --- We sell ships! Contact me ingame for prices on Drakes and Myrmidons. Also looking for ore or mineral suppliers around The Citadel region!
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 02:50:00 - [62] There is another good reason that isk sellers are beginning to move on. Check out this GM response to a thread about isk spammers... Linkage Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Scourge Drakonis Minmatar Legio Decimus Inc	Posted - 2007.07.12 03:04:00 - [63] Ok then so now that all the evil ISK sellers are being driven off the insanely inflated item prices, which were caused by the excess ISK in the economy, will drop right? Yeah, didn't think so. The ISK sellers were filling a need caused by players overcharging for T2 items, etc. Now, maybe the high prices aren't a big deal to those of you in a big corp or alliance. However, to those of us in a smaller corp the costs can be staggering. They are especially crippling if you don't have endless hours to waste mining to produce things. Now I agree that removing farmers is a good thing, but unless prices drop to more reasonable amounts for certain goods (and I don't expect them to bottom out or anything) the ISK sellers will be back in force.
Syrith	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:55:00 - [64] Edited by: Syrith on 12/07/2007 04:55:36 Edited by: Syrith on 12/07/2007 04:54:47 too lazy to rewrite
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:15:00 - [65] let me know when to break out the alcohol ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Scourge Drakonis Ok then so now that all the evil ISK sellers are being driven off the insanely inflated item prices, which were caused by the excess ISK in the economy, will drop right? Yeah, didn't think so. The ISK sellers were filling a need caused by players overcharging for T2 items, etc. Now, maybe the high prices aren't a big deal to those of you in a big corp or alliance. However, to those of us in a smaller corp the costs can be staggering. They are especially crippling if you don't have endless hours to waste mining to produce things. Now I agree that removing farmers is a good thing, but unless prices drop to more reasonable amounts for certain goods (and I don't expect them to bottom out or anything) the ISK sellers will be back in force. the T2 market is NOT insanely overpriced. It is talk like that that gives the isk-sellers a market to work on. as I see it, the last year have moved the poppular view of what to fly from 'fly what you can lose' to 'fly what you can afford and dont lose'. this new (or at least it is new to me) view makes people want to fit the best. that kind of fit is expensive... Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
Lonectzn Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:53:00 - [67] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 23:14:20 Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:35:28 ignore Derovius Vaden he hates for somethigng completly unrelated to posting in this forum, I think. or he's a grammer **** and I'm a.. well you get the idea. Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:29:38 I found an article that when poof a few days later about isk selling sites merging to try to sell thier isk. the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil. alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV). so basically no one is buying isk. the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them. do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped. did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact. point is huzzah! the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. and all of those isk farmers will have to get jobs farming gold. I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) yes I'm basically talking to myself but I thought someone might be interesting in knowing were almost at the end of this isk war. no comments needed this can sink to the bottom. That argument is incorrect. For a start killing farmers would increase prices by reducing the pool of isk going to farmers, if the supply is brought down to below demand. Secondly farmers themselves only receive a minor percentage of the sale value, the overwhelming majority of profits go directly to the websites making the sales. Isk farming is the majority of the time a three stage process, farmer who gets paid some 10c or something ridiculous per hour, middleman who takes farmer's gold, pays them and sells to isk selling website, then website sells to customer for some 1000% markup on their paid price. If prices are falling it is by either oversaturation of the market or reduced demand for isk. I'm guessing it is reduced demand. This has nothing to do with EVE players being mature, simply that there's an alternative. Price set at what market will bear. Get over it. Let CCP deal with the problem as best as possible and quit making threads. ----------------- Sig mod-whacked =/ Have had that signature for well over two years. 26,736 bytes. R.I.P Garfield.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Lonectzn stuff I think it is just this thred making that can keep the sellers away. the information that isk-buyers get punished, the GTC alternative and things like that helps a lot in the war against isk sellers/buyers Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 12:35:00 - [69] fight them wherever you can make EVE farmer free! ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Godstrike	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process USE PUNCTATION GOD ******* DAMN IT! LET ME HELP YOU, THE FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF ABOVE MENTIONED SENTENCE PAUSES AND SO FORTH: . = PERIOD. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR SENTENCE WITH THIS. , = COMMA. MAKE SURE TO BREAK UP YOUR IDEAS AND STATEMENTS WITH THIS. : = COLON. NO, NOT THAT ONE. MAKE SURE TO START YOUR LISTS WITH THIS. ; = SEMICOLON. MAKE SURE TO JOIN TWO UNRELATED TOPICS IN ONE SENTENCE TOGETHER WITH THIS. ! = EXCLEMATION POINT. MAKE SURE TO USE FOR EMPHASIS OF A PARTICULARY IMPORTANT POINT! ? = QUESTION MARK. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CONFUSION?! NO?! GOOD!
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Enraku Reynolt isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed At first glance, I read "single player game" ... and it didn't make ANY sense --
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. As a general rule I don't bother reading posts I have to interpret. There's a lot of non-English native language users here (if that makes sense; basically I mean they don't speak English natively). I've noticed a lot recently that you get really upset about poor spelling/grammar. Have you tried St John's Wort? Or do what I do; ie, don't waste time on posts you can't understand. OMG! Some orange text. It must be important.
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:39:00 - [73] Well something thay struck me was the fact you can get 100m for 3 dollars. If I had a crappy job i would get 11 dollars an hour. to earn that mich in eve would take me 5 hours ratting or so were i am. This would make sense for me, as I certainly dont enjoy making isk in eve (hence i have 100m) Yet this is what seperates the men from the boys, I consider it for a couple of seconds then instantly feel repulsed. I would rather leave eve than pay for isk, and go out of my way to kill farmers. As everyone else says its only the players who can stop this. I know i would prob kick anyone i found buying isk in Endgame, to hell with the consequences.
Professional Troll	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I'm sick and ***** tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; Originally by:** Derovius Vaden As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, What was that again? Your toys suck! \|T\|R\|O\|L\|L\|I\|N\|G\| My anti-drug. Because CCP won't let me be an attention *** any more and I don't want to become a *** head .
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:13:00 - [75] Remove local, and isk farmers will disapear within a month, being pulverized by PVPers hunting them. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Laidback Luke Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. I hope so as well. while demand might kill the isk sales as well what I have noticed is that they are DESPERATE to sell their isk. also think you for hitting the nail on the head. I am dyslexic. I'm not that bad though am I? Part of the reason I try to post a lot to get over this. so.. I'm sry if it really bothers some people. But it's understanable isn't it? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:54:00 - [77] IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. You may log out, but you can never leave
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Cybarite IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. makes me wonder how stressed out the farmers get or why they are still playing :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:00:00 - [79] Though I wasnt there, before this war I remember a group of guys in my alliance found a nice chinese isk farmer. He had something like 12 ravens, If i was wrong it was like 9 raven. Point is there were alot of ravens and everyone of them died. They were fitted exactly the same, doing the exactly the same thing and had simular 'obviously im a isk farmer'name. Point is, go get them guys, kill them, drive them out, we dont want you scum.
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:15:00 - [80] It's easy to kill ISK-Farmers in 0.0 or lowsec, but what about the makros in empire? When I fly throug some systems, local is full of chars like aeefeke, jdfwfw, 2lfjj3 or 23ifei. All of them are mining in Hulks under the protection of noobcorps. I think some shiptypes like exhumers, freighters or transporters shouldn't be allowed in noobcorps. If you enjoy the safe and taxfree noobcorps, there should also be some disadvantages.
Red Desire	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:07:00 - [81] ISK farmers running for the hills, that gaved me a good laugh. The isk hunger is bigger now then ever, never forget that EVE is the only game where you can loose the items you grind for (so that I know). In this game it's the biggest farm land in all MMO's, there are some many farmers on so different categories that CCP would loose some serious money if they ban them all ( let's they find a method to identify them), of course a no-isk farmers MMO would attract a lot more players, as so many of us are sick and tired of this kind of ****. Belive me I've seen this damn industry grow, as I played some MMO's before Eve and as I were playing with hardcore players( kids with no life) who begun to make money out of the uberness. To keep it short, the categorys of farmers: - Hardcore players (Easter Europe and maybe US), kids who grew up into adults and need it the money,so they are not forced to get a job(these are the real looser in this game, they will reach 40 with no job experience and no real life) they still enjoy the game, they make money from, mission,plexes,T2 blueprints, etc - Bots runners, get 10-12 account, run 2-3 clients on one computer, etc .. mine or other scripted activity, like ratting - Very poor countries, where 100 $ is alot!, not talking necesary about chinese people( nothing against them) as their country is not actually poor, but they have a system which keeps there salaries low, this is the sad part, I heard it from someone who seen it. Imagine people who don't really speak english, don't really know/want to play the game, but do the same thing over and over again over 12 hours per day, in a storage house among with other 50-200 people, their job is more sucky then my previous job( aka game testing). Hope i shared some light in you guys. I can talk about this subject for hours, could even make you a history of virtual money selling and development in the last 7 years.
Laidback Luke Pac Man Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:08:00 - [82] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Laidback Luke Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. I hope so as well. while demand might kill the isk sales as well what I have noticed is that they are DESPERATE to sell their isk. also think you for hitting the nail on the head. I am dyslexic. I'm not that bad though am I? Part of the reason I try to post a lot to get over this. so.. I'm sry if it really bothers some people. But it's understanable isn't it? Not a problem for me it isn't, but it would seem certain people are just very intolerant by nature. I would say, their loss. I think the argument is more important than the format it is delivered in. --- We sell ships! Contact me ingame for prices on Drakes and Myrmidons. Also looking for ore or mineral suppliers around The Citadel region!
Roger Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:25:00 - [83] Those who want to buy ISK do it in a legal way via the GTC resale. CCP is going to change it and I suppose the ISK farmers will celebrate the day CCP do it.
Hera Integra	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:57:00 - [84] Buying and Selling ISK in a "professional" way turn games into a business. And by allowing people with deeper pockets iRL to buy in game currency gives them an unfair advantage over those who can't afford that kind of stuff. In a game it shouldn't matter if you are poor or rich iRL, we are here to have fun. Earning the things you want the real way makes them so much more enjoyable. To say it with an ancient EverQuest NPC phrase: You have ruined your own lands, you will not ruin mine! Evil ISK sellers.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:45:00 - [85] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Cybarite IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. makes me wonder how stressed out the farmers get or why they are still playing :P they are essentially invulnerable. They are only in danger when moving to new systems. Otherwise, its warp when local goes up, then log in warp, or cloak at safe, then log, etc. Local makes it impossible to get the jump on them. Pick the fastest ship in game, for alignment and warp speed. Jump into system, pick and random belt and warp there as fast as game will allow. Arrive and see the torps still in flight, but raven gone. and thats if you were lucky in your belt choice. This is what its like 99% of the time hunting macro ratters. We can usually get thier scout alts or hauler alts with torps, but its a happy day when we get the actual raven itself. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:50:00 - [86] Originally by: Hera Integra Buying and Selling ISK in a "professional" way turn games into a business. And by allowing people with deeper pockets iRL to buy in game currency gives them an unfair advantage over those who can't afford that kind of stuff. In a game it shouldn't matter if you are poor or rich iRL, we are here to have fun. Earning the things you want the real way makes them so much more enjoyable. To say it with an ancient EverQuest NPC phrase: You have ruined your own lands, you will not ruin mine! Evil ISK sellers. the bigger problem is not people with more money making more isk. I'm not saying it's not a problem. but compared to the real problem it's nothing. CCP doesn't want people to use thier game as a way to profit in Real life. This is not poker on-line, this is EvE-online. Isk sellers are a problem because they are trying to make a profit off of CCP back. The isk buyer are a problem because they promote this. so yes getting isk for money is bad. but using CCP as a profit stepping stone is disespectful of the game and the company CCP. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Johnny Handsome Gallente The Beautiful People Corp	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn we have mis-identified farmers in the past, but this group is well known. all in newb corps, all with similar names. for example, domi pilot was zd99999, one raven was zd9999, another was zd999. the other ravens had other strange names, now designed to sound real, like ocean tears or johnny handsome. I'm not one who enjoys seeing old posts/threads brought up, however this is something that is too hard to ignore. I've owned this character since I originally started the game back in 2003, and not only have I never farmed in the manner you suggest, the character cannot even fly a Raven. Please be more careful in future with your name and shaming process.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:08:00 - [88] If you so experienced with Eve, why necro a long dead thread? Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Johnny Handsome Gallente The Beautiful People Corp	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny If you so experienced with Eve, why necro a long dead thread? I'll leave you to work out the whys for yourself hotshot.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I heard some people are violence their boats... Every. Damned. Day. I violence them as much as I can. Join Macrointel!
Elo span Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:20:00 - [91] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I heard some people are violence their boats...
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:32:00 - [92] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 12/07/2007 16:02:21 the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil. This is because of the huge amount of farmed isk, not because the supply is low as you seem to be suggesting. Quote: One alliance tricked 30 of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV). That's funny, it is. Quote: so basically no one is buying isk. You don't really believe that do you. Up to 22% of all MMO players regularly buy in-game currency/items from currency/item sellers. Eve is no different. Quote: the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them. Hate to break it to you, Jack, but almost every MMO community vocally hates currency farmers and treats them poorly. Having said that, its sad that more people can't dislike farmers without loading it with jingoist and racist language e.g. "stupid Chinese farmers!" Quote: do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped. Actually, do you know who is more likely to buy currency? Older players who tend to have less playing time because they have jobs. Guess what? Eve has one of the oldest player bases in the MMO industry. I believe the average age is 26. So my guess is they were expecting an older player base who have professional jobs and hence less time and more money, and I think that's probably what they got. Quote: did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact. Yeah that is funny. However, back when that 1 mill sold for 400$, the population was tiny and inflation (the bane of every MMO economy) hadn't hit yet. 1 mill isk was probably worth well over what a billion isk is worth today. Quote: point is huzzah! the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. Um... no. Quote: I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. Oh, I assure you they make good money. The 100 people in Ingunn farming courier missions tell me so. Quote: but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) For sure.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:42:00 - [93] Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/10/2007 17:44:16 " Originally by: MotherMoonEdited by: MotherMoon on 12/07/2007 16:02:21 the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil. This is because of the huge amount of farmed isk, not because the supply is low as you seem to be suggesting." GuyA: Hey, trit is up today! it's 3.60 the supply must be greater than the demand. Karlemgne: This is because of the huge amount of mined isk, not because the supply is low as you seem to be suggesting your logic moves in circles my friend, ask yourself why the supply is high for isk, could it be.... that demand is low!???!?!?! no that doesn't make sense :P p.s.(WoW this crawled out of no where) also I can't say anything bad about the rest of your views, I agree more or less. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:50:00 - [94] There will be families out in teh cold. :( --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Graven Stein	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:12:00 - [95] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire There will be families out in teh cold. :( They could always switch to farming characters.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:13:00 - [96] Originally by: Graven Stein Originally by: Jenny Spitfire There will be families out in teh cold. :( They could always switch to farming characters. like I think I said somewhere, if they did this is WoW instead of eve wouldn't they make more money??? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Hellspawn01 Amarr Shadow Rebellion	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:31:00 - [97] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Graven Stein Originally by: Jenny Spitfire There will be families out in teh cold. :( They could always switch to farming characters. like I think I said somewhere, if they did this is WoW instead of eve wouldn't they make more money??? On PVP servers, no. On PVE servers, perhaps. You can trick and annoy them there too but they are easier to fight in eve. Ship lovers click here
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:36:00 - [98] In all honestly GTC sells is what killed farmers, not that the eve community is above buying isk. Why buy isk that might get your account banned when you can do it another way totally legally?. Personally I think EVERY mmo should do what eve does.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:37:00 - [99] Originally by: Devious Syn In all honestly GTC sells is what killed farmers, not that the eve community is above buying isk. Why buy isk that might get your account banned when you can do it another way totally legally?. Personally I think EVERY mmo should do what eve does. I'm not sure that was in place when I made this thread :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Sellerella2	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:49:00 - [100] Running for the hills? No, check out this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=616462 Interesting read about how they are quite alive and active. We even had CCP Wrangler come in and say a bunch of accounts were banned a few days ago which today are still in game passing along isk to their masters. Very sad stuff.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.10.28 20:30:00 - [101] Originally by: Chevy Prefect I believe CCP is being extremely shortsighted in the ISK, character, and item selling policy. An open exchange for ISK against various world currencies could be run by CCP. Money would flow in and out of game, but if you look into the example of Second Life, I believe you will find a big inflow of currencies. If they just did that, ISK would be 'created' from nothing. That'd be extremely bad for inflation! GTC card sales are much better as not a single ISK is added to the game. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

GM Nova Game Masters	Posted - 2007.10.28 21:15:00 - [102] Here is my little theory: The GMs have been putting in just a little extra effort in figting Real Money Trade and farming. Don't get me wrong, every day we find a few ISK seller characters, close their accounts and reverse all their donations. For an example; You all know how irritating it is to get an evemail from an ISK spammer. Well, these spammers are always connected to the farmers in some way so we catch them. Lately we have been turning the counter ISK insurgency up a notch. Hundreds of ISK seller accounts have been closed for good. Hundreds of ISK farmer accounts (macro miners as well as complex farmers (the ones in Navy Ravens)) have been permanently closed. In the past month, over a trillion ISK has been removed from the economy as we reversed ISK donation from ISK sellers. A trillion is one thousand billions. ( <- In the english language. In other laguages such as German, a billion is a million millions.) A player buying ISK now has a very high probability of getting caught and having his bought ISK confiscated. What movie is this quote from? Man: We'll make hundreds of tousands of dollars. No! We'll make thousands of tousands of dollars? Another man: (Looks at Man) They call'em Millions Frank.

Sellerella2	Posted - 2007.10.28 21:56:00 - [103] You know GM Nova, it's hard to believe you when you say things like this. CCP Wranger said something similar a few days ago and it turned out not to be true. What are we to think?
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.28 22:08:00 - [104] I still have no idea why shutting down isk sellers is so hard. IP's are easy to trace. Their MO is almost always the same. CCP already has logs on money transfers, if they are not enough simple flags should show who is buying crap for huge prices etc when they launder. CCP seems to focus on the guy buying more than the guy selling, but obviously not everyone is getting caught who buys. If you want to remove its impact you focus on both.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.28 22:11:00 - [105] Originally by: GM Nova Here is my little theory: ....... Hope its true and you can turn the corner on these guys.
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.10.28 22:39:00 - [106] Quote: In the past month, over a trillion ISK has been removed from the economy as we reversed ISK donation from ISK sellers. OWNED, well i know ccp doesnt do much out in the open, but they do work behind the scenes i guess. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Digital Solaris Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.28 23:09:00 - [107] Now, if only new players would think "Aha!" and purchase a GTC or two, sell one of them for some cash and add to the farmers' pain.
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.28 23:12:00 - [108] So...now that it is possible to buy isk for $3.00 per 100mil from the farmers... how long will it be before we see threads about players buying $14.95 GTC's for six dollars worth of farmed isk?
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.10.28 23:19:00 - [109] Edited by: voogru on 28/10/2007 23:23:15 Originally by: GM Nova Lately we have been turning the counter ISK insurgency up a notch. I hate to break it to you, GM Nova, but it's going to have to be turned up a little bit more then a 'notch'. Preferably, for staters, your going to need to turn it up and break the knob off so it can't be turned down until it's too late (for the farmers). There are thousands and thousands of farmers. And how many people with the authority to ban them are looking for them on a full time basis? 1 Person is capable of doing absolute devastating damage to the farmers (I know I am, but ah, I can't ban them now can I?), but thats ALL they should be doing. And no, it does not hurt CCP's income, because they come right back with a shiney new account. But you are killing their profit and making EVE a better place. Look at all of the posts whining about farmers. When I see farmers that I've petitioned months ago still farming and doing their stuff, it hurts. And yes, I know they are farmers. Don't tell me "Oh, they are not farmers" when they are claiming blatant scams on contracts for hundreds of millions of ISK daily. I'm dangerous! Watch out!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.10.28 23:39:00 - [110] It does make sense that targetting isk buyers would make sellers drop their prices in order to try and persuade people to take the chance and buy. Nothing like buyer resistance to ruin a market. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Hellspawn01 Amarr Shadow Rebellion	Posted - 2007.10.29 00:18:00 - [111] Originally by: GM Nova Here is my little theory: The GMs have been putting in just a little extra effort in figting Real Money Trade and farming. Don't get me wrong, every day we find a few ISK seller characters, close their accounts and reverse all their donations. For an example; You all know how irritating it is to get an evemail from an ISK spammer. Well, these spammers are always connected to the farmers in some way so we catch them. Lately we have been turning the counter ISK insurgency up a notch. Hundreds of ISK seller accounts have been closed for good. Hundreds of ISK farmer accounts (macro miners as well as complex farmers (the ones in Navy Ravens)) have been permanently closed. In the past month, over a trillion ISK has been removed from the economy as we reversed ISK donation from ISK sellers. A trillion is one thousand billions. ( <- In the english language. In other laguages such as German, a billion is a million millions.) A player buying ISK now has a very high probability of getting caught and having his bought ISK confiscated. What movie is this quote from? Man: We'll make hundreds of tousands of dollars. No! We'll make thousands of tousands of dollars? Another man: (Looks at Man) They call'em Millions Frank. Proof or it didnt happen... oh wait... the farmers using contracts are still there..... Ship lovers click here
Reary Rikeyou	Posted - 2007.10.29 00:29:00 - [112] Just add a "group" to the Petition window called "Isk Spammers". Have it generate ONE mail from the first person to report it. State a warning that if the accusation is false, severe consequences will follow. If you code it right, everyone else who reports it won't generate a pile of redundant petitions, instead they'll get a pop-up, like... "This character has already been reported...." Each time that pop-up occurs, a hit-counter adds to the player in question, helping assess the situations authenticity. Ofc, if you use my idea it will cost you Eleventy Thousand Billion isk.
Caenus	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:53:00 - [113] Edited by: Caenus on 29/10/2007 04:54:49 I'd just like to say first, good this is happening. Secondly, wouldn't the most logical assumption be that since even a computer has limits managing a number of accounts, leaving isk farmers alone to stick with the account they farm with instead of banning it means that once you know of their existence, you can track their movements, and thus hurt them even more by removing the isk players buy on a regular basis, than by removing the account completely, and having to wait for more damage to occur before finding their new account again to start it over. system A (the one players DEMAND and whine should be occuring and CCP isnt doing): actively ban farmer accounts. system B (more logical and reasonable): let people break the EULA buying isk, let farmer accounts stay, but once the farmer accounts are known, simply wait for the isk to get sold to a buyer, then remove the buyers isk. the buyer is out real money, and will not buy again, the seller is making a little money, but lost a customer, and they will not be able to keep any customer who buys from them once. their days are basically numbered and the word of mouth of players losing their isk and their RL money/accounts due to isk buying are also having a good effect. its impossible to ban them, and to remove their accounts would require that you wait for them to cause a problem again until you gather enough evidence to ban them again. the main problem to the game community will stay, and the main problem to CCP will stay. with system B: the problems still stay, but will eventually be crushed. I'd like to point out that people who break the rules knowingly should have more self control, not cry about entrapment. dont stick your hand in the fire if you know it will burn.
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.29 06:13:00 - [114] Edited by: Daan Sai on 29/10/2007 06:15:55 Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn they are essentially invulnerable. They are only in danger when moving to new systems. Otherwise, its warp when local goes up, then log in warp, or cloak at safe, then log, etc. Local makes it impossible to get the jump on them. Pick the fastest ship in game, for alignment and warp speed. Jump into system, pick and random belt and warp there as fast as game will allow. Arrive and see the torps still in flight, but raven gone. and thats if you were lucky in your belt choice. This is what its like 99% of the time hunting macro ratters. We can usually get thier scout alts or hauler alts with torps, but its a happy day when we get the actual raven itself. Make a squad of GM/ISD ships that don't show on local, and let them sneak up and pew pew! Great recruitment incentive to ISD and GM 'ness, and a welcome change to editing IP tables I bet. Make it a mix.

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