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Laidback Luke Pac Man Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.12 02:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. --- We sell ships! Contact me ingame for prices on Drakes and Myrmidons. Also looking for ore or mineral suppliers around The Citadel region!
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 02:50:00 - [62] There is another good reason that isk sellers are beginning to move on. Check out this GM response to a thread about isk spammers... Linkage Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Scourge Drakonis Minmatar Legio Decimus Inc	Posted - 2007.07.12 03:04:00 - [63] Ok then so now that all the evil ISK sellers are being driven off the insanely inflated item prices, which were caused by the excess ISK in the economy, will drop right? Yeah, didn't think so. The ISK sellers were filling a need caused by players overcharging for T2 items, etc. Now, maybe the high prices aren't a big deal to those of you in a big corp or alliance. However, to those of us in a smaller corp the costs can be staggering. They are especially crippling if you don't have endless hours to waste mining to produce things. Now I agree that removing farmers is a good thing, but unless prices drop to more reasonable amounts for certain goods (and I don't expect them to bottom out or anything) the ISK sellers will be back in force.
Syrith	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:55:00 - [64] Edited by: Syrith on 12/07/2007 04:55:36 Edited by: Syrith on 12/07/2007 04:54:47 too lazy to rewrite
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:15:00 - [65] let me know when to break out the alcohol ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Scourge Drakonis Ok then so now that all the evil ISK sellers are being driven off the insanely inflated item prices, which were caused by the excess ISK in the economy, will drop right? Yeah, didn't think so. The ISK sellers were filling a need caused by players overcharging for T2 items, etc. Now, maybe the high prices aren't a big deal to those of you in a big corp or alliance. However, to those of us in a smaller corp the costs can be staggering. They are especially crippling if you don't have endless hours to waste mining to produce things. Now I agree that removing farmers is a good thing, but unless prices drop to more reasonable amounts for certain goods (and I don't expect them to bottom out or anything) the ISK sellers will be back in force. the T2 market is NOT insanely overpriced. It is talk like that that gives the isk-sellers a market to work on. as I see it, the last year have moved the poppular view of what to fly from 'fly what you can lose' to 'fly what you can afford and dont lose'. this new (or at least it is new to me) view makes people want to fit the best. that kind of fit is expensive... Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
Lonectzn Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:53:00 - [67] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 23:14:20 Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:35:28 ignore Derovius Vaden he hates for somethigng completly unrelated to posting in this forum, I think. or he's a grammer **** and I'm a.. well you get the idea. Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/07/2007 16:29:38 I found an article that when poof a few days later about isk selling sites merging to try to sell thier isk. the price has dropped to 3$ for 100 mil. alliances are tricking 100's of farmers with false safety in 0.0 by having them pay the alliance to be there and then blowing them out of the sky (awesome story on EvE TV). so basically no one is buying isk. the farmers get becoming paranoid of the eve community because we are jerks to them. do you think they were expecting a wow community full of kids with credits cards? if they were they were very mistaken. eve has only grown and yet the price has dropped. did you know the first isk sale was 1 mil for 400$ on ebay? fun little EOn fact. point is huzzah! the reason why were getting spamed in channels about buying isk is because were driving them broke. and all of those isk farmers will have to get jobs farming gold. I kinda wonder why they are still here even.... they can't be making any sort of good money anymore. but congratz to the eve community for being more mature than wow :) yes I'm basically talking to myself but I thought someone might be interesting in knowing were almost at the end of this isk war. no comments needed this can sink to the bottom. That argument is incorrect. For a start killing farmers would increase prices by reducing the pool of isk going to farmers, if the supply is brought down to below demand. Secondly farmers themselves only receive a minor percentage of the sale value, the overwhelming majority of profits go directly to the websites making the sales. Isk farming is the majority of the time a three stage process, farmer who gets paid some 10c or something ridiculous per hour, middleman who takes farmer's gold, pays them and sells to isk selling website, then website sells to customer for some 1000% markup on their paid price. If prices are falling it is by either oversaturation of the market or reduced demand for isk. I'm guessing it is reduced demand. This has nothing to do with EVE players being mature, simply that there's an alternative. Price set at what market will bear. Get over it. Let CCP deal with the problem as best as possible and quit making threads. ----------------- Sig mod-whacked =/ Have had that signature for well over two years. 26,736 bytes. R.I.P Garfield.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Lonectzn stuff I think it is just this thred making that can keep the sellers away. the information that isk-buyers get punished, the GTC alternative and things like that helps a lot in the war against isk sellers/buyers Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 12:35:00 - [69] fight them wherever you can make EVE farmer free! ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Godstrike	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 GTC sales is what is keeping the black market 'real money trade' (aka RMT) in check. If CCP ever shuts down the 'GTC --> isk' mechanic, the unofficial RMT in eve will explode to the same levels as other games. As I understand it, the older the community demographs are, the more likely they are to use black market RMT services. Think about it. Who is more likely to have a lot of disposable income but little time? A full time working adult or a teenager with no job? [EDIT] As far as the price drop goes: "and it never drops this badly 20$ for 100mil to 3 bucks?"... Prices drop like that very quickly when a gold/isk dupe is found & the farmers are selling untold billions for little effort. If the price is steady dropping over months, then its probably has to do with a lack of demand for the isk service. If the price went from $20 to $3 within days or hours, its a VERY bad sign. oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process USE PUNCTATION GOD ******* DAMN IT! LET ME HELP YOU, THE FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF ABOVE MENTIONED SENTENCE PAUSES AND SO FORTH: . = PERIOD. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR SENTENCE WITH THIS. , = COMMA. MAKE SURE TO BREAK UP YOUR IDEAS AND STATEMENTS WITH THIS. : = COLON. NO, NOT THAT ONE. MAKE SURE TO START YOUR LISTS WITH THIS. ; = SEMICOLON. MAKE SURE TO JOIN TWO UNRELATED TOPICS IN ONE SENTENCE TOGETHER WITH THIS. ! = EXCLEMATION POINT. MAKE SURE TO USE FOR EMPHASIS OF A PARTICULARY IMPORTANT POINT! ? = QUESTION MARK. MAKE SURE TO END YOUR QUESTIONS WITH THIS. IS THERE ANY CONFUSION?! NO?! GOOD!
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Enraku Reynolt isk buying hurts alot more in a single server game, so more people to get annoyed At first glance, I read "single player game" ... and it didn't make ANY sense --
Miss Anthropy School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. As a general rule I don't bother reading posts I have to interpret. There's a lot of non-English native language users here (if that makes sense; basically I mean they don't speak English natively). I've noticed a lot recently that you get really upset about poor spelling/grammar. Have you tried St John's Wort? Or do what I do; ie, don't waste time on posts you can't understand. OMG! Some orange text. It must be important.
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:39:00 - [73] Well something thay struck me was the fact you can get 100m for 3 dollars. If I had a crappy job i would get 11 dollars an hour. to earn that mich in eve would take me 5 hours ratting or so were i am. This would make sense for me, as I certainly dont enjoy making isk in eve (hence i have 100m) Yet this is what seperates the men from the boys, I consider it for a couple of seconds then instantly feel repulsed. I would rather leave eve than pay for isk, and go out of my way to kill farmers. As everyone else says its only the players who can stop this. I know i would prob kick anyone i found buying isk in Endgame, to hell with the consequences.
Professional Troll	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Derovius Vaden I'm sick and ***** tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; Originally by:** Derovius Vaden As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, What was that again? Your toys suck! \|T\|R\|O\|L\|L\|I\|N\|G\| My anti-drug. Because CCP won't let me be an attention *** any more and I don't want to become a *** head .
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:13:00 - [75] Remove local, and isk farmers will disapear within a month, being pulverized by PVPers hunting them. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Laidback Luke Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. I hope so as well. while demand might kill the isk sales as well what I have noticed is that they are DESPERATE to sell their isk. also think you for hitting the nail on the head. I am dyslexic. I'm not that bad though am I? Part of the reason I try to post a lot to get over this. so.. I'm sry if it really bothers some people. But it's understanable isn't it? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:54:00 - [77] IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. You may log out, but you can never leave
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Cybarite IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. makes me wonder how stressed out the farmers get or why they are still playing :P ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:00:00 - [79] Though I wasnt there, before this war I remember a group of guys in my alliance found a nice chinese isk farmer. He had something like 12 ravens, If i was wrong it was like 9 raven. Point is there were alot of ravens and everyone of them died. They were fitted exactly the same, doing the exactly the same thing and had simular 'obviously im a isk farmer'name. Point is, go get them guys, kill them, drive them out, we dont want you scum.
Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:15:00 - [80] It's easy to kill ISK-Farmers in 0.0 or lowsec, but what about the makros in empire? When I fly throug some systems, local is full of chars like aeefeke, jdfwfw, 2lfjj3 or 23ifei. All of them are mining in Hulks under the protection of noobcorps. I think some shiptypes like exhumers, freighters or transporters shouldn't be allowed in noobcorps. If you enjoy the safe and taxfree noobcorps, there should also be some disadvantages.
Red Desire	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:07:00 - [81] ISK farmers running for the hills, that gaved me a good laugh. The isk hunger is bigger now then ever, never forget that EVE is the only game where you can loose the items you grind for (so that I know). In this game it's the biggest farm land in all MMO's, there are some many farmers on so different categories that CCP would loose some serious money if they ban them all ( let's they find a method to identify them), of course a no-isk farmers MMO would attract a lot more players, as so many of us are sick and tired of this kind of ****. Belive me I've seen this damn industry grow, as I played some MMO's before Eve and as I were playing with hardcore players( kids with no life) who begun to make money out of the uberness. To keep it short, the categorys of farmers: - Hardcore players (Easter Europe and maybe US), kids who grew up into adults and need it the money,so they are not forced to get a job(these are the real looser in this game, they will reach 40 with no job experience and no real life) they still enjoy the game, they make money from, mission,plexes,T2 blueprints, etc - Bots runners, get 10-12 account, run 2-3 clients on one computer, etc .. mine or other scripted activity, like ratting - Very poor countries, where 100 $ is alot!, not talking necesary about chinese people( nothing against them) as their country is not actually poor, but they have a system which keeps there salaries low, this is the sad part, I heard it from someone who seen it. Imagine people who don't really speak english, don't really know/want to play the game, but do the same thing over and over again over 12 hours per day, in a storage house among with other 50-200 people, their job is more sucky then my previous job( aka game testing). Hope i shared some light in you guys. I can talk about this subject for hours, could even make you a history of virtual money selling and development in the last 7 years.
Laidback Luke Pac Man Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:08:00 - [82] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Laidback Luke Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Araxmas Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xalorn Edited by: Xalorn on 11/07/2007 18:13:13 STUFF oh no no it was 20 a year ago now it is 3 it was a very slow process Childish immature crap Fixed. Typos while correcting people make Baby Jesus punch kittens in the face. Hehe nice one Karanth. Vaden when you end up swearing and criticising spelling and/or grammer than you have lost the argument imo. I'm sick and ******* tired of Mothermoons complete disregard for sentence structure; notice that I've made no note to correct her spelling, as I myself rarely go back to review my own. Therefore, and attempts to further pull my "rabble" off course with your own critiques of my spelling is not going to go anywhere. As well, my pointing out of her FAILURE AT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather a tangential discussion about how to present an argument. I don't care if she is right or wrong, I'll argue against whatever topic she is trying to argue for if she fails to put it on the table in an easy to read and understandable fashion. Dude, get a life. I bet you are too short sighted to imagine that her 'failure at the english language' might actually be due to her not being a native english speaker? I thought so. Or maybe because she (or he, it's an MMORPG after all) might be a dyslexic? It's people like you that destroy any chance of having a meaningful conversation... To the OP, that's an interesting trend you noticed there. I hope the downward trend continues, ISK farmers are nothing more than a total pain in the ass. I hope so as well. while demand might kill the isk sales as well what I have noticed is that they are DESPERATE to sell their isk. also think you for hitting the nail on the head. I am dyslexic. I'm not that bad though am I? Part of the reason I try to post a lot to get over this. so.. I'm sry if it really bothers some people. But it's understanable isn't it? Not a problem for me it isn't, but it would seem certain people are just very intolerant by nature. I would say, their loss. I think the argument is more important than the format it is delivered in. --- We sell ships! Contact me ingame for prices on Drakes and Myrmidons. Also looking for ore or mineral suppliers around The Citadel region!
Roger Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:25:00 - [83] Those who want to buy ISK do it in a legal way via the GTC resale. CCP is going to change it and I suppose the ISK farmers will celebrate the day CCP do it.
Hera Integra	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:57:00 - [84] Buying and Selling ISK in a "professional" way turn games into a business. And by allowing people with deeper pockets iRL to buy in game currency gives them an unfair advantage over those who can't afford that kind of stuff. In a game it shouldn't matter if you are poor or rich iRL, we are here to have fun. Earning the things you want the real way makes them so much more enjoyable. To say it with an ancient EverQuest NPC phrase: You have ruined your own lands, you will not ruin mine! Evil ISK sellers.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:45:00 - [85] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Cybarite IMO I think the very nature of eve is inimicle to isk sellers, the only truely profitable space in eve is 0.0 and lawless. CCP won't lift a finger to stop scams, griefing, harrasment or any other form of player retaliation, whereas other MMO's usually have a policy against it and a GM you can cry to. Unlike wow when you die in eve you lose your equipment and anything you were carrying, so that farming isk is inherently dangerous. CCP won't stop people from steeling your ore, and the most efficient way to mine it requires you to move it to cans where it can be stolen before transfering it to a hauler. In essence EVE is a harsh and unforgiving environment, ammasing large amounts of ISK takes large amounts of time dedication and most importantly organization. In EVE simply farming ISK isn't an option, you have to fight for survival, this makes it alot harder to farm the ISK effeciently. Add to this competition from GTC buyers (they're the ones competing with the isk sellers) and it becomes even harder for them to make a profit. makes me wonder how stressed out the farmers get or why they are still playing :P they are essentially invulnerable. They are only in danger when moving to new systems. Otherwise, its warp when local goes up, then log in warp, or cloak at safe, then log, etc. Local makes it impossible to get the jump on them. Pick the fastest ship in game, for alignment and warp speed. Jump into system, pick and random belt and warp there as fast as game will allow. Arrive and see the torps still in flight, but raven gone. and thats if you were lucky in your belt choice. This is what its like 99% of the time hunting macro ratters. We can usually get thier scout alts or hauler alts with torps, but its a happy day when we get the actual raven itself. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:50:00 - [86] Originally by: Hera Integra Buying and Selling ISK in a "professional" way turn games into a business. And by allowing people with deeper pockets iRL to buy in game currency gives them an unfair advantage over those who can't afford that kind of stuff. In a game it shouldn't matter if you are poor or rich iRL, we are here to have fun. Earning the things you want the real way makes them so much more enjoyable. To say it with an ancient EverQuest NPC phrase: You have ruined your own lands, you will not ruin mine! Evil ISK sellers. the bigger problem is not people with more money making more isk. I'm not saying it's not a problem. but compared to the real problem it's nothing. CCP doesn't want people to use thier game as a way to profit in Real life. This is not poker on-line, this is EvE-online. Isk sellers are a problem because they are trying to make a profit off of CCP back. The isk buyer are a problem because they promote this. so yes getting isk for money is bad. but using CCP as a profit stepping stone is disespectful of the game and the company CCP. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Johnny Handsome Gallente The Beautiful People Corp	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:00:00 - [87] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn we have mis-identified farmers in the past, but this group is well known. all in newb corps, all with similar names. for example, domi pilot was zd99999, one raven was zd9999, another was zd999. the other ravens had other strange names, now designed to sound real, like ocean tears or johnny handsome. I'm not one who enjoys seeing old posts/threads brought up, however this is something that is too hard to ignore. I've owned this character since I originally started the game back in 2003, and not only have I never farmed in the manner you suggest, the character cannot even fly a Raven. Please be more careful in future with your name and shaming process.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:08:00 - [88] If you so experienced with Eve, why necro a long dead thread? Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Johnny Handsome Gallente The Beautiful People Corp	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny If you so experienced with Eve, why necro a long dead thread? I'll leave you to work out the whys for yourself hotshot.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I heard some people are violence their boats... Every. Damned. Day. I violence them as much as I can. Join Macrointel!

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