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Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Matthew Cooper NO! --------
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Slyton Silur Do not let this happen, please. I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get. I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination. so you should be allowed to keep the look and change the race if you have no caldari skills save for what you started with ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:15:00 - [33] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Slyton Silur Do not let this happen, please. I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get. I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination. so you should be allowed to keep the look and change the race if you have no caldari skills save for what you started with You've still yet to indicate why this is a good thing for EVE. What benefits do your changes hold? Ultimately, as has been stated repeatedly, this simply decreases the flexibility of EVE, and that is completely against the spirit of the game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:17:00 - [34] What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:21:00 - [35] Instead of that encourage racial fleets with bonus'. Also Known As
DJ P	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:23:00 - [36] Hmm. Some times I thought about that too. But at the end of the day it's a game. After all someone who trained multiple ship/weaponry/tanking lines, will always fall back against someone who specialize. Also it doesn't matter if you know some skills and fit a ship. What matter is how much experience you have with this ship, know it's powers and limitations PERSONALY, and what your play style is.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:32:00 - [37] That would mean i`d have to PVP in caldari ships. God no please no!
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Ovno ConSyquence on 12/07/2007 16:03:02 Edited by: Ovno ConSyquence on 12/07/2007 16:00:46 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Roger Ferre You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate. ya i havent even played trial on that game so the fact that you know all these names speaks volumes - leave the thread Yes it says that they might have read a fantasy book or played one of the hundreds of table top or pen and paper rpgs which exist or maybe even one of the other many other fantasy rpg computer games out there... So cleary it does not in fact indicate that they may or may not have played the dreaded wow.... Sorry i just couldn't let that stand... people shouldn't be penalised for knowing fantasy terms regardless of your opinions of a certain very popular fantasy based mmorpgs... And as for your original point, although i did think it was a little weird when i first started that you could fly anything regardless of race (with the right skills) it fits in perfectly with the back story of eve (the pod, we're all humans etc...) and it would add nothing to the game if it were to be changed
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Kagura Nikon What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced that would probably be a better idea but is not a retroactive change unless you expect to delete sp from people ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:03:00 - [40] why
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:05:00 - [41] What would be added to the game is that you would not be flying another races ships just because they are unique for that race and use mostly your racial weapons It would allow for people that specialize in one race to have an advantage instead of a disadvantage - isnt that what everyone touts around here? - if you are a new player you can still beat old players just specialize! - and what will you specialize in exactly when that player can redock in a completely different race? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:09:00 - [42] they wouldn't have to really big things. like 5% incease agility for minmatar 10% decease to cap use on lasers for ammar 5% decease in sig radius for caldari pilots 5% senor str for gallaente ships ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Kagura Nikon What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced Again, why? Roleplayers now can do so just by focusing exclusively on racial skills if they want. By making a race specific bonus, you're doing nothing but giving a disadvantage to the RPers who want to focus on another race's ships. I just don't see the point in nerfing racial flexibility for all the players who want it, even if it's just a small nerf. The people who want to be constrained can limit themselves just fine. Racial bonuses make much more sense in games where character development isn't open ended. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:12:00 - [44] yeah not gonna happen, oh and BTW the pods mostly come from one caldari firm so the interface mechanisms are all pretty much the same anyway. You may log out, but you can never leave
Liisa Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:16:00 - [45] Originally by: MotherMoon they wouldn't have to really big things. like 5% incease agility for minmatar 10% decease to cap use on lasers for ammar 5% decease in sig radius for caldari pilots 5% senor str for gallaente ships Great another attibute that needs to be balanced. Tell me, do you think that all the ships are balanced? Do we really need another component that might throw all balance that we have achieved so far completely out of wack? Let me ask you this: What would you do if all of a sudden the minmatar race bonus is shown to be absolutely useless but the amarr one gives them a decided edge in combat? The way CCP has balanced things like the typhoon you will be saddled with this disadvantage for 2 years. Great idea. On a more general note: Why? The skill system is great the way it is. You can specialize in any type of ship or for a race or for a type of weapon system or for ecm as a new player. Why must I get the shaft now because I chose a race because of the "ray of the matar" backstory? There is no reason to implement something like this other than some people wanting "race to matter". The beauty of eve is that your race simply does not matter, you can do with your char whatever you want with no disadvantages. ---------------------------------- Currently pursuing a "deviant playstyle."
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:38:00 - [46] We should effectively prevent players from using 3/4 of the games content and we should do it based on something they did in the first 15 minutes of ever playing EVE!!!!
Mitsuko Anari	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:50:00 - [47] why? It sounds too much like picking a "class" to me... EVE is freeform sandbox style play. Progression is slow in RL time. If you picked caldari and then later realised you are not as much of a team player as you thought you would be... Then your out of luck, cause with the system you propose you would be gimped in another races ships.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:54:00 - [48] ah you are right i dont want to butcher the rp players i think we need more rp back to the drawing board ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:00:00 - [49] Edited by: CrayC on 12/07/2007 17:02:21 Originally by: SiJira It would allow for people that specialize in one race to have an advantage instead of a disadvantage - isnt that what everyone touts around here? - if you are a new player you can still beat old players just specialize! - and what will you specialize in exactly when that player can redock in a completely different race? The whole point in specializing is that you can NOT do everything perfectly, so if the target is changing ship to counter your attack more efficiently, you are less likely to kill it. There is still a chance, there always is, but if you had a 100% chance of succeeding before, it now drops to somewhere between 99% and 1%. By specializing, you are limiting yourself more than the current level 5 maximum does. If you choose not to train more skills, then that is your choice. Giving you a minimal bonus for staying with ships exclusivly of your own race does not help anything, you will still fail in the end. And that is the beauty of EvE; there is no best. If there was, everyone would pick that race, fly that ship using that setup. Currently one of my alts is a pure Minmatar-style combatpilot. The projectile and spaceship command skills trained so far, are all on level 5. Likewise, another of my alts is specced for Amarr ships and lasers, again all trained are on level 5. If I put them up against each other, who would win? They are both specialized, so without some racial bonus, it would be a draw, right? Wrong. That's where player-skills come into the game. And that is all we need. The choice of setup makes a difference but even with regular T1 mods on one ship and Faction/Officer/COSMOS mods on the other, the outcome is never final until one is in a pod...
insidion	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:04:00 - [50] You can't do this for numerous reasons. What you could do, however, would be to add a new set of skills for racial specialization, much like the drone set but for ships. I can't say that I see a huge advantage in this, as it's definitely not 'needed' but it would give people something to pursue that they could take pride in and would allow them to excel at one specific aspect of EVE. Of course, some would argue that's already the case anyways. =)
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:09:00 - [51] Originally by: insidion You can't do this for numerous reasons. What you could do, however, would be to add a new set of skills for racial specialization, much like the drone set but for ships. I can't say that I see a huge advantage in this, as it's definitely not 'needed' but it would give people something to pursue that they could take pride in and would allow them to excel at one specific aspect of EVE. Of course, some would argue that's already the case anyways. =) rank 16 skills ? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:12:00 - [52] The why is.. because some people do like visual identity. And this game has very few, like ugly mixed fleets of all races. For some people like me, takes a lot of the immersion away. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:22:00 - [53] Very simple answer... NO!!! now for the reason, i am Gallente, sure i'm proud to be Gallente but in fact i don't like Gallente ships that much, except perhaps the drones. I do however like missiles and shields, so i spent years litterally to train up my shield, missile and specialized Caldari ship skills, getting a bonus just cuz u happen to be from the same race that build ur ship is COWCRAP!! It also is not what EVE is about, u can do and be whatever u like there are no restrictions so u can also fly whatever u like without restrictions as long as u learn the skills. If this were ever suggested by a dev i would fight it tooth and nail, i will spam every thread and every section of these boards untill it's removed!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:02:00 - [54] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Very simple answer... NO!!! now for the reason, i am Gallente, sure i'm proud to be Gallente but in fact i don't like Gallente ships that much, except perhaps the drones. I do however like missiles and shields, so i spent years litterally to train up my shield, missile and specialized Caldari ship skills, getting a bonus just cuz u happen to be from the same race that build ur ship is COWCRAP!! It also is not what EVE is about, u can do and be whatever u like there are no restrictions so u can also fly whatever u like without restrictions as long as u learn the skills. If this were ever suggested by a dev i would fight it tooth and nail, i will spam every thread and every section of these boards untill it's removed!!! i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:10:00 - [55] Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. warp drive active \| nature vraie
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. oh but what ever happened to being able to do whatever you want to do ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:17:00 - [57] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. oh but what ever happened to being able to do whatever you want to do Pardon, but... what about it? Not sure I see the connection between what you said and what you replied to. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:24:00 - [58] Hmm. The math of probability says that sometime in the future, SiJura must post something that I agree with.... This is not it, unfortunately. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:34:00 - [59] Nice troll. 6/10. No one could be THIS stupid.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:44:00 - [60] actully you're all wasting your time, if you got EON you would know that helmar is allready designing a system that makes flying your faction.races ship much more useful with factional warfare. maybe more lp. better ranks and medals. A matar pilot would not stand out easiler in the ammar faction stading. nor would they ever want to admit to having them there kind of thing. so no bonuses to stats. but just like they are looking for a non-number reason to buy crew they are working on it. commenting on factional warwafe not being in the game yet "It was what should have given the players a better feel for their own race, and to, damn it, stop flying ship of their enemy race just because they can!" assume all you want but we know how he feels about the subject at least ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP

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