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SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:36:00 - [1] yes yes you skeptics of this idea will say that why would a japanese man drive an american car worse than an american if he has learned it this is a lot more like manning an advanced battleship (see todays time - you know on water) made in a completely different style and all the manuals and descriptions in a different language, unless you had extensive years of translations and then training on the ship - because many things can get confused in translations - you are not going to be as good as the american english speaking man if you just turned 25 and began learning how to operate an american battleshop so to keep this balanced simply give every race that is not flying their racial ship -0.06% damage -0.1% velocity +0.1% sig radius -0.06% rate of fire discuss ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Caios Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:42:00 - [2] Tell that to the the Japanese pilots who fly F-22s, or the Chinese pilot who flies SU-27s. And they don't even have direct brain implant interface thingies to speed the process like pod pilots do. Anyway, this is a bad idea that seriously limits one's gameplay options. I think the tradeoff of the extra time needed to crosstrain another race (which is even greater with the rev changes to beginning SPs) is good enough without having to continually punish pilots for not conforming to their racial standards.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:42:00 - [3] Well, bringing it back to the game (because game-life comparisons are almost always entirely laughable), as a pod pilot you're not going to need to read gauges and dials and button labels. You plug in, and the will of your mind is understood and executed by the ship's systems. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:44:00 - [4] This thread Fails. Even the real life comparison isn't correct. Nothx. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:44:00 - [5] This would destroy the flexibility of EVE, and cause the current existing balance issues (Amarr for one) to become more extreme, as I couldn't find solace in the fact that I can always hop into a Drake if I really wanted to, etc. Also, how would this affect pirate faction ships that require multiple racial ship skills? Would you be penalized for using those? All in all, silly idea... we don't have complete schisms in this game because that would make balance issues 10000 times worse. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:45:00 - [6] Bad idea. It would more or less limit a player to one race of ships. And I might want to fly a Crow, Curse, or Vagabond one day. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:50:00 - [7] No, never draw real world analogies in a game. The game balance does not require or welcome such a change, period.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:50:00 - [8] This is something ive seen alot on the forums. CCP wouldnt do it. A game that people have played for 4 years and have trained diffrent races to the character they have would be all of a sudden nerfed. This is something that if it was to be put in place it would have been done at the launch of eve.
Indigo Johnson Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:51:00 - [9] I liken this idea to armour sets in EQ2, LOTRO and V:SOH. However, the idea in Eve is not without merit. Taking Winterblinks analogue, would it not be reasonable to expect Republic Fleet items to work sliiightly better on Republic Fleet ships, because they have been calibrated, tested, designed for them, etc? Gearing up a Fleet Tempest with Republic Fleet modules should, in terms of roleplay, make the ship abit better than if you put all Angel Modules on it (for instance, this would also work the other way around. Macheriels being slightly better with Angel mods than any other). Of course, when I say slightly better what do I mean? Would need balancing of course but this isn't a maths thread...yet.
Roger Ferre	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:53:00 - [10] You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate.
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:54:00 - [11] And all these changes do is **** off the players, add a slight amount of roll playing element, all at the expense of hours of wasted time on the Dev team rather than focusing on real issues... fail. I'm not normally this abbrasive, but the idea is that bad :/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 13:56:00 - [12] The real question is how this is good for the game and the people playing it. Please, explain.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:00:00 - [13] If you really want to do something like this, introduce race-specific implants that boost ship bonuses by, say, 20%. Like a "Caldari Navy Interface Module", that when applied and using a raven, changes the ship bonuses from 5% launcher refire and 10% missile velocity to 6% refire and 12% velocity. Just throwing that out there. ---- All you do is bark, you never meow
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:01:00 - [14] You fail. Training for a ship means you have learned how to fly it properly, not in some half arsed bad way. As for language, am I the only person who reads the backstory articles? Pods have translation systems. Finally, I see absolutely NO POINT AT ALL in this.
Matthew Cooper Minmatar Who What When Where Why and How	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:05:00 - [15] NO! Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:06:00 - [16] I'd rather not. If I spend as much time training to fly 2 seperate aircraft (lets say a US plane and a UK plane or a caldari/gallente ship), that are equally easy to learn how to fly (both are rank 5 skills), then i'd expect to be able to fly them equally as well. So, no thanks.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Roger Ferre You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate. ya i havent even played trial on that game so the fact that you know all these names speaks volumes - leave the thread ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Raem Civrie If you really want to do something like this, introduce race-specific implants that boost ship bonuses by, say, 20%. Like a "Caldari Navy Interface Module", that when applied and using a raven, changes the ship bonuses from 5% launcher refire and 10% missile velocity to 6% refire and 12% velocity. Just throwing that out there. Not bad, could be "Gallente Navy Starship Inteinface Behindface Implant" +10% to Gallente ship bonuses, meaning that a 10% per level bonus would be 55% at lvl 5... --- I had a cool siggy but it had the wrong corp in it, then my server died :(
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:08:00 - [19] Oh great while we are at it should we sit on thumbtacks and set fire to the mousemat while we play?
Edania Caldari Ordo Adeptus Astartes Edge Of Sanity	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:08:00 - [20] i disagree prehaps even violently i dont see a need for this and all it will do is further inflate caldari T2 ship prices as everyone and there dogs mother seems to play caldari <-- me included, further lineing some lucky peoples pockets. also looking from another perspective it cuts down RP and choice options i didnt used to be a loyal caldari atall flying gallente missions etc and amarr ships your penalising people who try to break the mold. Quote: my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:09:00 - [21] A horrible idea.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:11:00 - [22] its not perfectly fine for you to kill a someone in losec that is gallente and have him come back at you in a tempest ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
X99 Z990	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:13:00 - [23] Originally by: SiJira its not perfectly fine for you to kill a someone in losec that is gallente and have him come back at you in a tempest Oh god i hate you.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:17:00 - [24] It would have been a great idea had this been introduced when the game was released. But after four years, no. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:20:00 - [25] i think a better idea is to give a bonus based on race on what ever ship you are in like 1% speed/falloff/ for minnies for example nothing big but a small flavor
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Empire marketslave i think a better idea is to give a bonus based on race on what ever ship you are in like 1% speed/falloff/ for minnies for example nothing big but a small flavor thats the OP ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:24:00 - [27] How about No. The whole point of this game is that you are not limited by choises made before, but you always have all doors open. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:26:00 - [28] These already exhist... it's called having trained the appropriate skill to a certain level. OH MY GOD A REVELATION! That's right, knowing how to fly a ship just as good as someone else lets you... fly a ship just as good as someone else! Race means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Starting career means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Your stats can help / hurt you during your whole EVE career, as from the gate, they set a limit to how high your stats can go, but your starting skills set you back at most 2 weeks, more like 1 because of the common skills held amongst all players (Spaceship command and such). Adding more meaning to race simply, as I've stated, makes existing balance issues more severe. That's right, you worsen existing problems AND create a new one! So while we're at it, we should probably install liquid cooling on the servers, but the liquid of choice is gasoline. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Vorketh Mordanil These already exhist... it's called having trained the appropriate skill to a certain level. OH MY GOD A REVELATION! That's right, knowing how to fly a ship just as good as someone else lets you... fly a ship just as good as someone else! Race means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Starting career means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Your stats can help / hurt you during your whole EVE career, as from the gate, they set a limit to how high your stats can go, but your starting skills set you back at most 2 weeks, more like 1 because of the common skills held amongst all players (Spaceship command and such). Adding more meaning to race simply, as I've stated, makes existing balance issues more severe. That's right, you worsen existing problems AND create a new one! So while we're at it, we should probably install liquid cooling on the servers, but the liquid of choice is gasoline. the only people diversified that actualy know what they are doing are 2+ year old players - otherwise people either have 1 race underdeveloped or both races at lvl 3s where 4s and 5s are needed ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Slyton Silur Caldari NorCorp Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:50:00 - [30] Do not let this happen, please. I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get. I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 14:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Matthew Cooper NO! --------
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Slyton Silur Do not let this happen, please. I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get. I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination. so you should be allowed to keep the look and change the race if you have no caldari skills save for what you started with ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:15:00 - [33] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Slyton Silur Do not let this happen, please. I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get. I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination. so you should be allowed to keep the look and change the race if you have no caldari skills save for what you started with You've still yet to indicate why this is a good thing for EVE. What benefits do your changes hold? Ultimately, as has been stated repeatedly, this simply decreases the flexibility of EVE, and that is completely against the spirit of the game. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:17:00 - [34] What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:21:00 - [35] Instead of that encourage racial fleets with bonus'. Also Known As
DJ P	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:23:00 - [36] Hmm. Some times I thought about that too. But at the end of the day it's a game. After all someone who trained multiple ship/weaponry/tanking lines, will always fall back against someone who specialize. Also it doesn't matter if you know some skills and fit a ship. What matter is how much experience you have with this ship, know it's powers and limitations PERSONALY, and what your play style is.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.12 15:32:00 - [37] That would mean i`d have to PVP in caldari ships. God no please no!
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr The Plebians	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:00:00 - [38] Edited by: Ovno ConSyquence on 12/07/2007 16:03:02 Edited by: Ovno ConSyquence on 12/07/2007 16:00:46 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Roger Ferre You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate. ya i havent even played trial on that game so the fact that you know all these names speaks volumes - leave the thread Yes it says that they might have read a fantasy book or played one of the hundreds of table top or pen and paper rpgs which exist or maybe even one of the other many other fantasy rpg computer games out there... So cleary it does not in fact indicate that they may or may not have played the dreaded wow.... Sorry i just couldn't let that stand... people shouldn't be penalised for knowing fantasy terms regardless of your opinions of a certain very popular fantasy based mmorpgs... And as for your original point, although i did think it was a little weird when i first started that you could fly anything regardless of race (with the right skills) it fits in perfectly with the back story of eve (the pod, we're all humans etc...) and it would add nothing to the game if it were to be changed
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Kagura Nikon What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced that would probably be a better idea but is not a retroactive change unless you expect to delete sp from people ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dread Phantom Caldari Project-Chaos	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:03:00 - [40] why
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:05:00 - [41] What would be added to the game is that you would not be flying another races ships just because they are unique for that race and use mostly your racial weapons It would allow for people that specialize in one race to have an advantage instead of a disadvantage - isnt that what everyone touts around here? - if you are a new player you can still beat old players just specialize! - and what will you specialize in exactly when that player can redock in a completely different race? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:09:00 - [42] they wouldn't have to really big things. like 5% incease agility for minmatar 10% decease to cap use on lasers for ammar 5% decease in sig radius for caldari pilots 5% senor str for gallaente ships ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Kagura Nikon What could exist is a small learning bonus. For example minmatar have a 2% bonus on learning minmatar cruiser, Battleships and frigs. Same for other races. That would be nice for Roleplayers. And far from hugely unbalaced Again, why? Roleplayers now can do so just by focusing exclusively on racial skills if they want. By making a race specific bonus, you're doing nothing but giving a disadvantage to the RPers who want to focus on another race's ships. I just don't see the point in nerfing racial flexibility for all the players who want it, even if it's just a small nerf. The people who want to be constrained can limit themselves just fine. Racial bonuses make much more sense in games where character development isn't open ended. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:12:00 - [44] yeah not gonna happen, oh and BTW the pods mostly come from one caldari firm so the interface mechanisms are all pretty much the same anyway. You may log out, but you can never leave
Liisa Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:16:00 - [45] Originally by: MotherMoon they wouldn't have to really big things. like 5% incease agility for minmatar 10% decease to cap use on lasers for ammar 5% decease in sig radius for caldari pilots 5% senor str for gallaente ships Great another attibute that needs to be balanced. Tell me, do you think that all the ships are balanced? Do we really need another component that might throw all balance that we have achieved so far completely out of wack? Let me ask you this: What would you do if all of a sudden the minmatar race bonus is shown to be absolutely useless but the amarr one gives them a decided edge in combat? The way CCP has balanced things like the typhoon you will be saddled with this disadvantage for 2 years. Great idea. On a more general note: Why? The skill system is great the way it is. You can specialize in any type of ship or for a race or for a type of weapon system or for ecm as a new player. Why must I get the shaft now because I chose a race because of the "ray of the matar" backstory? There is no reason to implement something like this other than some people wanting "race to matter". The beauty of eve is that your race simply does not matter, you can do with your char whatever you want with no disadvantages. ---------------------------------- Currently pursuing a "deviant playstyle."
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:38:00 - [46] We should effectively prevent players from using 3/4 of the games content and we should do it based on something they did in the first 15 minutes of ever playing EVE!!!!
Mitsuko Anari	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:50:00 - [47] why? It sounds too much like picking a "class" to me... EVE is freeform sandbox style play. Progression is slow in RL time. If you picked caldari and then later realised you are not as much of a team player as you thought you would be... Then your out of luck, cause with the system you propose you would be gimped in another races ships.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 16:54:00 - [48] ah you are right i dont want to butcher the rp players i think we need more rp back to the drawing board ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:00:00 - [49] Edited by: CrayC on 12/07/2007 17:02:21 Originally by: SiJira It would allow for people that specialize in one race to have an advantage instead of a disadvantage - isnt that what everyone touts around here? - if you are a new player you can still beat old players just specialize! - and what will you specialize in exactly when that player can redock in a completely different race? The whole point in specializing is that you can NOT do everything perfectly, so if the target is changing ship to counter your attack more efficiently, you are less likely to kill it. There is still a chance, there always is, but if you had a 100% chance of succeeding before, it now drops to somewhere between 99% and 1%. By specializing, you are limiting yourself more than the current level 5 maximum does. If you choose not to train more skills, then that is your choice. Giving you a minimal bonus for staying with ships exclusivly of your own race does not help anything, you will still fail in the end. And that is the beauty of EvE; there is no best. If there was, everyone would pick that race, fly that ship using that setup. Currently one of my alts is a pure Minmatar-style combatpilot. The projectile and spaceship command skills trained so far, are all on level 5. Likewise, another of my alts is specced for Amarr ships and lasers, again all trained are on level 5. If I put them up against each other, who would win? They are both specialized, so without some racial bonus, it would be a draw, right? Wrong. That's where player-skills come into the game. And that is all we need. The choice of setup makes a difference but even with regular T1 mods on one ship and Faction/Officer/COSMOS mods on the other, the outcome is never final until one is in a pod...
insidion	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:04:00 - [50] You can't do this for numerous reasons. What you could do, however, would be to add a new set of skills for racial specialization, much like the drone set but for ships. I can't say that I see a huge advantage in this, as it's definitely not 'needed' but it would give people something to pursue that they could take pride in and would allow them to excel at one specific aspect of EVE. Of course, some would argue that's already the case anyways. =)
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:09:00 - [51] Originally by: insidion You can't do this for numerous reasons. What you could do, however, would be to add a new set of skills for racial specialization, much like the drone set but for ships. I can't say that I see a huge advantage in this, as it's definitely not 'needed' but it would give people something to pursue that they could take pride in and would allow them to excel at one specific aspect of EVE. Of course, some would argue that's already the case anyways. =) rank 16 skills ? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:12:00 - [52] The why is.. because some people do like visual identity. And this game has very few, like ugly mixed fleets of all races. For some people like me, takes a lot of the immersion away. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.12 17:22:00 - [53] Very simple answer... NO!!! now for the reason, i am Gallente, sure i'm proud to be Gallente but in fact i don't like Gallente ships that much, except perhaps the drones. I do however like missiles and shields, so i spent years litterally to train up my shield, missile and specialized Caldari ship skills, getting a bonus just cuz u happen to be from the same race that build ur ship is COWCRAP!! It also is not what EVE is about, u can do and be whatever u like there are no restrictions so u can also fly whatever u like without restrictions as long as u learn the skills. If this were ever suggested by a dev i would fight it tooth and nail, i will spam every thread and every section of these boards untill it's removed!!! CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:02:00 - [54] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Very simple answer... NO!!! now for the reason, i am Gallente, sure i'm proud to be Gallente but in fact i don't like Gallente ships that much, except perhaps the drones. I do however like missiles and shields, so i spent years litterally to train up my shield, missile and specialized Caldari ship skills, getting a bonus just cuz u happen to be from the same race that build ur ship is COWCRAP!! It also is not what EVE is about, u can do and be whatever u like there are no restrictions so u can also fly whatever u like without restrictions as long as u learn the skills. If this were ever suggested by a dev i would fight it tooth and nail, i will spam every thread and every section of these boards untill it's removed!!! i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:10:00 - [55] Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. warp drive active \| nature vraie
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:12:00 - [56] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. oh but what ever happened to being able to do whatever you want to do ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:17:00 - [57] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. oh but what ever happened to being able to do whatever you want to do Pardon, but... what about it? Not sure I see the connection between what you said and what you replied to. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:24:00 - [58] Hmm. The math of probability says that sometime in the future, SiJura must post something that I agree with.... This is not it, unfortunately. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:34:00 - [59] Nice troll. 6/10. No one could be THIS stupid.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:44:00 - [60] actully you're all wasting your time, if you got EON you would know that helmar is allready designing a system that makes flying your faction.races ship much more useful with factional warfare. maybe more lp. better ranks and medals. A matar pilot would not stand out easiler in the ammar faction stading. nor would they ever want to admit to having them there kind of thing. so no bonuses to stats. but just like they are looking for a non-number reason to buy crew they are working on it. commenting on factional warwafe not being in the game yet "It was what should have given the players a better feel for their own race, and to, damn it, stop flying ship of their enemy race just because they can!" assume all you want but we know how he feels about the subject at least ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:44:00 - [61] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Winterblink Quote: It also is not what EVE is about, u can do and be whatever u like Originally by: SiJira i admit i dont want to kill the rare rpers - but seriously your spamming or 1 account cancellation would not stop CCP from implementing something if they thought was right The point he was making about flexibility is something which CCP themselves have spoken to on numerous occasions as well. The idea of not restricting players to specific ships based on race, is what I'm speaking of. Personally I loved the idea someone else mentioned, where faction modules got bonuses when mounted on ships of the same race. Like Federation Navy railguns getting some kind of bonus when fitted on Gallente ships. That seemed fairly sensible to me. oh but what ever happened to being able to do whatever you want to do Pardon, but... what about it? Not sure I see the connection between what you said and what you replied to. i doubt you are as dim as you pretending to be but just so everyone sees how dumb you are acting i re-added the quote from 000hunter000 that you so conveniently removed ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:46:00 - [62] Originally by: MotherMoon actully you're all wasting your time, if you got EON you would know that helmar is allready designing a system that makes flying your faction.races ship much more useful with factional warfare. maybe more lp. better ranks and medals. A matar pilot would not stand out easiler in the ammar faction stading. nor would they ever want to admit to having them there kind of thing. so no bonuses to stats. but just like they are looking for a non-number reason to buy crew they are working on it. commenting on factional warwafe not being in the game yet "It was what should have given the players a better feel for their own race, and to, damn it, stop flying ship of their enemy race just because they can!" assume all you want but we know how he feels about the subject at least indeed my posts are quite relevent to the common issues ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.07.12 18:47:00 - [63] Well, I think it's been pretty well established why this is a bad idea. But I gotta throw in: Nerf __[race]__!!! threads They would be never ending! Think of the forums! ------------------- WE'RE SORRY, SOMETHING HAPPENED
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:08:00 - [64] Edited by: Winterblink on 12/07/2007 19:08:17 Originally by: SiJira i doubt you are as dim as you pretending to be but just so everyone sees how dumb you are acting i re-added the quote from 000hunter000 that you so conveniently removed It wasn't removed conveniently. And what I posted doesn't contradict it. At any rate, it seems that everything you post has to include some sort of unwarranted personal attack instead of actually contributing to any ongoing discussion. You're operating under the flawed assumption that you'll be able to bait me into a back-and-forth flamefest. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:49:00 - [65] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 12/07/2007 19:48:44 The flawed assumption is probably more along the lines of, "Hey, I bet most people don't pay enough attention to see that a lot of the stuff I post makes no sense, and that most of the replies I make to the people who point this out don't relate to their comments at all." edit: well, maybe not so flawed. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 12/07/2007 19:48:44 The flawed assumption I always thought the thought process here was, "Hey, not enough people listen to me."
Tarazed Aquilae	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:10:00 - [67] From a traditional debate approach this idea fails on 4 of the 5 key areas for argument. Topicality û Yea, it has that because itÆs about Eve. IÆll give you that. Inherency û It really fails this one because your starting race already gives you an advantage in that raceÆs ships. You start with some ship and gunnery skills which make it a bit faster to stick with that raceÆs ships. This achieves whatever ôflavorö your plan is trying to add to the game without permanently handicapping anyone. Harm/Advantages û No real harm is defined by your plan. In other words, thereÆs nothing wrong with the way things work now. And, your plan wouldnÆt make the game better in any way. Really, your idea just amounts to a ôwouldnÆt it be cool if?ö line of thinking. Usability of the interface doesnÆt improve, lag isnÆt cleared up, no new tactical options are added, the game isnÆt made any more playable or more fun. Solvency û Well, thereÆs nothing to solve since nothing is broken and thereÆs no benefit to your plan. ôWouldnÆt it be cool if?ö No, it wouldnÆt. Disadvantages û Just because something is pointless and has no reason to exist is no reason not to do it. Letting characters with maxed out mining skills change their in game portrait to that of a pastel colored stuffed animal with a rainbow on its stomach is pointless, but I wouldnÆt really object to it since it wouldnÆt hurt anything. Some fluff is acceptable. But, your plan actually does hurt things. People picked their race many years ago in some cases when the game worked far differently than it does now. Saddling people with a permanent handicap based on that decision is bad IMO. Your plan also adds all kinds of balance issues to the game. It also goes against one of the main selling points of Eve, that you can train to do anything as well as anyone else, if you have the time. Fortunately your idea wonÆt go anywhere.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:00:00 - [68] Originally by: Tarazed Aquilae even though i am in a general discussion forum blah blah blah i would make it so it adds all those things to your race but that would definitely break the balance ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:18:00 - [69] I want Gallente to have increased resistance to fire and frost damage please. Shamis Orzoz: Cap Boosters are for losers. I don't run out of gas.
Neuromandis	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:27:00 - [70] This is RACISM j/k --- If someone else from my Corporation or Alliance agrees with me, he will say so. Assume nobody does :) --- WTB: Scorpion wing (left)
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:58:00 - [71] You guys realize that SiJira makes threads like these just so he can flame everyone posting in it yes? No matter how airtight your logic is he's just going to reject it with some off the wall snarky comment and move to the next post.. That being said his grand idea.. Well.. Its not good.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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