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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:36:00 -
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yes yes you skeptics of this idea will say that why would a japanese man drive an american car worse than an american if he has learned it
this is a lot more like manning an advanced battleship (see todays time - you know on water) made in a completely different style and all the manuals and descriptions in a different language, unless you had extensive years of translations and then training on the ship - because many things can get confused in translations - you are not going to be as good as the american english speaking man if you just turned 25 and began learning how to operate an american battleshop
so to keep this balanced simply give every race that is not flying their racial ship -0.06% damage -0.1% velocity +0.1% sig radius -0.06% rate of fire
discuss
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Caios
Caldari
Unified Refining Federation
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:42:00 -
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Tell that to the the Japanese pilots who fly F-22s, or the Chinese pilot who flies SU-27s.
And they don't even have direct brain implant interface thingies to speed the process like pod pilots do.
Anyway, this is a bad idea that seriously limits one's gameplay options. I think the tradeoff of the extra time needed to crosstrain another race (which is even greater with the rev changes to beginning SPs) is good enough without having to continually punish pilots for not conforming to their racial standards.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:42:00 -
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Well, bringing it back to the game (because game-life comparisons are almost always entirely laughable), as a pod pilot you're not going to need to read gauges and dials and button labels. You plug in, and the will of your mind is understood and executed by the ship's systems.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
IntoXication Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:44:00 -
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This thread Fails. Even the real life comparison isn't correct. Nothx.
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Vorketh Mordanil
Amarr
Brotherhood of Acquisitions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:44:00 -
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This would destroy the flexibility of EVE, and cause the current existing balance issues (Amarr for one) to become more extreme, as I couldn't find solace in the fact that I can always hop into a Drake if I really wanted to, etc.
Also, how would this affect pirate faction ships that require multiple racial ship skills? Would you be penalized for using those?
All in all, silly idea... we don't have complete schisms in this game because that would make balance issues 10000 times worse.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:45:00 -
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Bad idea. It would more or less limit a player to one race of ships. And I might want to fly a Crow, Curse, or Vagabond one day.
"Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:50:00 -
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No, never draw real world analogies in a game.
The game balance does not require or welcome such a change, period.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:50:00 -
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This is something ive seen alot on the forums. CCP wouldnt do it. A game that people have played for 4 years and have trained diffrent races to the character they have would be all of a sudden nerfed. This is something that if it was to be put in place it would have been done at the launch of eve.
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Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:51:00 -
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I liken this idea to armour sets in EQ2, LOTRO and V:SOH.
However, the idea in Eve is not without merit. Taking Winterblinks analogue, would it not be reasonable to expect Republic Fleet items to work sliiightly better on Republic Fleet ships, because they have been calibrated, tested, designed for them, etc?
Gearing up a Fleet Tempest with Republic Fleet modules should, in terms of roleplay, make the ship abit better than if you put all Angel Modules on it (for instance, this would also work the other way around. Macheriels being slightly better with Angel mods than any other).
Of course, when I say slightly better what do I mean?  Would need balancing of course but this isn't a maths thread...yet.
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Roger Ferre
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:53:00 -
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You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and  , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate. |
Vorketh Mordanil
Amarr
Brotherhood of Acquisitions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:54:00 -
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And all these changes do is **** off the players, add a slight amount of roll playing element, all at the expense of hours of wasted time on the Dev team rather than focusing on real issues... fail.
I'm not normally this abbrasive, but the idea is that bad :/
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Karim alRashid
Gallente
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 13:56:00 -
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The real question is how this is good for the game and the people playing it. Please, explain.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:00:00 -
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If you really want to do something like this, introduce race-specific implants that boost ship bonuses by, say, 20%.
Like a "Caldari Navy Interface Module", that when applied and using a raven, changes the ship bonuses from 5% launcher refire and 10% missile velocity to 6% refire and 12% velocity.
Just throwing that out there.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:01:00 -
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You fail.
Training for a ship means you have learned how to fly it properly, not in some half arsed bad way. As for language, am I the only person who reads the backstory articles? Pods have translation systems.
Finally, I see absolutely NO POINT AT ALL in this.
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Matthew Cooper
Minmatar
Who What When Where Why and How
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:05:00 -
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NO!
 Originally by: Tarminic
Stop posting with your alt Kieron. 
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:06:00 -
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I'd rather not.
If I spend as much time training to fly 2 seperate aircraft (lets say a US plane and a UK plane or a caldari/gallente ship), that are equally easy to learn how to fly (both are rank 5 skills), then i'd expect to be able to fly them equally as well.
So, no thanks.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Roger Ferre
You mean the same way that Rangers gets bonuses to missile attacks, Elfs gets a bonus to magic resistance, dwarfes get increased stamina and , oh wait! .. nah, wrong game mate.
ya i havent even played trial on that game so the fact that you know all these names speaks volumes - leave the thread
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Entreri Finwe
Raptus Regaliter
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
If you really want to do something like this, introduce race-specific implants that boost ship bonuses by, say, 20%.
Like a "Caldari Navy Interface Module", that when applied and using a raven, changes the ship bonuses from 5% launcher refire and 10% missile velocity to 6% refire and 12% velocity.
Just throwing that out there.
Not bad, could be "Gallente Navy Starship Inteinface Behindface Implant" +10% to Gallente ship bonuses, meaning that a 10% per level bonus would be 55% at lvl 5...
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:08:00 -
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Oh great while we are at it should we sit on thumbtacks and set fire to the mousemat while we play?
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Edania
Caldari
Ordo Adeptus Astartes
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:08:00 -
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i disagree prehaps even violently i dont see a need for this and all it will do is further inflate caldari T2 ship prices as everyone and there dogs mother seems to play caldari <-- me included, further lineing some lucky peoples pockets.
also looking from another perspective it cuts down RP and choice options i didnt used to be a loyal caldari atall flying gallente missions etc and amarr ships your penalising people who try to break the mold.
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my Clone was excelent, i just had too many skillpoints
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Incantare
Caldari
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:09:00 -
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A horrible idea.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:11:00 -
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its not perfectly fine for you to kill a someone in losec that is gallente and have him come back at you in a tempest
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
its not perfectly fine for you to kill a someone in losec that is gallente and have him come back at you in a tempest
Oh god i hate you.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:17:00 -
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It would have been a great idea had this been introduced when the game was released.
But after four years, no.
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:20:00 -
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i think a better idea is to give a bonus based on race on what ever ship you are in like
1% speed/falloff/ for minnies for example nothing big but a small flavor
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Empire marketslave
i think a better idea is to give a bonus based on race on what ever ship you are in like
1% speed/falloff/ for minnies for example nothing big but a small flavor
thats the OP
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:24:00 -
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How about No.
The whole point of this game is that you are not limited by choises made before, but you always have all doors open.
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Vorketh Mordanil
Amarr
Brotherhood of Acquisitions
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:26:00 -
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These already exhist... it's called having trained the appropriate skill to a certain level. OH MY GOD A REVELATION!
That's right, knowing how to fly a ship just as good as someone else lets you... fly a ship just as good as someone else!
Race means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Starting career means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Your stats can help / hurt you during your whole EVE career, as from the gate, they set a limit to how high your stats can go, but your starting skills set you back at most 2 weeks, more like 1 because of the common skills held amongst all players (Spaceship command and such).
Adding more meaning to race simply, as I've stated, makes existing balance issues more severe.
That's right, you worsen existing problems AND create a new one!
So while we're at it, we should probably install liquid cooling on the servers, but the liquid of choice is gasoline.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vorketh Mordanil
These already exhist... it's called having trained the appropriate skill to a certain level. OH MY GOD A REVELATION!
That's right, knowing how to fly a ship just as good as someone else lets you... fly a ship just as good as someone else!
Race means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Starting career means nothing in this game other than your base stats / skills. Your stats can help / hurt you during your whole EVE career, as from the gate, they set a limit to how high your stats can go, but your starting skills set you back at most 2 weeks, more like 1 because of the common skills held amongst all players (Spaceship command and such).
Adding more meaning to race simply, as I've stated, makes existing balance issues more severe.
That's right, you worsen existing problems AND create a new one!
So while we're at it, we should probably install liquid cooling on the servers, but the liquid of choice is gasoline.
the only people diversified that actualy know what they are doing are 2+ year old players - otherwise people either have 1 race underdeveloped or both races at lvl 3s where 4s and 5s are needed
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Slyton Silur
Caldari
NorCorp Security
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:50:00 -
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Do not let this happen, please.
I'am a caldari character, but i love the gallente ships, so that why i fly them, and it would be bad to know that each gallente character i meet which flies a gallente ships to have some extra bonuses which i cannot get.
I choosed Caldari because i liked how the characters looked, and i choose to fly gallente ships because i like how they look, so for me its the perfect combination.
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