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Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:54:00 - [1] Today we had a small roving gang running around low sec and 0.0 of roughly 10 BCs. We got a fair number of kills in low sec before heading to the system M-OEEB. There is always a small gate camp there with Razor and Celestial Apoc. We quickly killed the gate camp with no losses and were picking through the loot and corpses they left a the gate. Laughing at the fact that all their ships were loaded with corpses for some reason. When suddenly on coms someone reports taking heavy fire. Because the only ships left at the gate were frigates orbiting the gate at range we assumed they might have put fighters on us. We all start searching the area frantically as player after player reports taking fire and going down. We can't find any of the fighters, the only hostile ships in space or on scanner are frigates and a cerberus at 150km off the gate. Realizing that something is horribly wrong, I tell the surviving players to grab what loot they can and jump out. After jumping my pod out I look at my death mail and there are 4 battleships + change on it. I tell everyone else to look at their death mails and tell me what player ships and corps are on it. People report back roughly the same ships that killed me, all with short range weapons. Which means they were right on top of our fleet. We have seen the new de-sync issues that affect a large percentage of the participants on BOTH sides of a fight. We are very sure the effect razor and celestial apoc were able to create was not a de-sync. During a de-sync your client stops updating properly. Ships in motion stay in motion in the direction they are heading, etc. The ships that were there through the whole fight at range kept manuvering, shooting, etc. We were able to access cans around us and other things you would normally not be able to do well de-synced. I immediatly file an exploit petition explaining in detail what happened. I get a response within minutes that my petition was being moved to reimbursment because they only handle exploits in that petition category. We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before.
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Krimzin Kane on 13/07/2007 22:57:43 Dude, uh, some people here suffer from Necrophilia. Also, I'm not saying that the bajillion corpses DIDN'T to anything, but before you blame them, realize that yes, some people like to collect corpses. by: Minigin
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:57:00 - [3] ---Sig--- I am an arms dealer Fitting you with weapons in the form of words -F.O.B.
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:59:00 - [4] by: Minigin
Capybura Ahazi Industrial	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. This is one incident. It's a better idea to come to the table with more evidence/data than this before you start accusing entire alliances and corporations of cheating. Otherwise you just end up sounding like an idiot.
jam6549 The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:01:00 - [6] Jam6549
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Capybura Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. This is one incident. It's a better idea to come to the table with more evidence/data than this before you start accusing entire alliances and corporations of cheating. Otherwise you just end up sounding like an idiot. RABBLERABBLERABBLEFOAM ---Sig--- I am an arms dealer Fitting you with weapons in the form of words -F.O.B.
Capybura Ahazi Industrial	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 13/07/2007 23:06:37 Originally by: Capybura Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. This is one incident. It's a better idea to come to the table with more evidence/data than this before you start accusing entire alliances and corporations of cheating. Otherwise you just end up sounding like an idiot. RABBLERABBLERABBLEFOAM Hofnar eh?
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:11:00 - [9] Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 13/07/2007 23:14:13 Originally by: Capybura Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. This is one incident. It's a better idea to come to the table with more evidence/data than this before you start accusing entire alliances and corporations of cheating. Otherwise you just end up sounding like an idiot. Hummm... 10 players clients all suffering from the same "bug" at the exact same time. When we are killed by a group of celestial apoc and razor. I am sure it was a totally random event and had nothing to do with the other players there. Edit: No way of knowing weather it was just those players/corps whatever. No point in listing out all the names of the players that they had there.
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Capybura Originally by: Strategos Edited by: Strategos on 13/07/2007 23:06:37 Originally by: Capybura Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. This is one incident. It's a better idea to come to the table with more evidence/data than this before you start accusing entire alliances and corporations of cheating. Otherwise you just end up sounding like an idiot. RABBLERABBLERABBLEFOAM Hofnar eh? Wanna feel it? ---Sig--- I am an arms dealer Fitting you with weapons in the form of words -F.O.B.
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:19:00 - [11] One time, I desynched in a system that I'd NEVER desynched in before. Now, the reason I think I desynched: I was hauling someone's stuff for them. See, I'd never done that before, so that must have been the reason. The end. by: Minigin
Capybura Ahazi Industrial	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Krimzin Kane One time, I desynched in a system that I'd NEVER desynched in before. Now, the reason I think I desynched: I was hauling someone's stuff for them. See, I'd never done that before, so that must have been the reason. The end. Stop the presses!
ACHURA CALDARIAN Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Commander Nikolas We are pretty sure that it had to do with the number of corpses razor and celestial apoc dropped at the stargate. It was over 50. That was really the only thing they did during the fight that we have not seen before. OMG !!! Yeah i am sure my friends find a way of making ZOMBIES with those and they must eat your ships and your fleshes where is the trash can ? WE ARE THE GRANDSONS OF A THUNDERMAKER NATION
ElweSingollo Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:47:00 - [14] So umm you think there exploiting because you never saw them... thats new obviously teh BoB Dev hax has now been moved to RZR and Celestial or shock horror it could actually be a bug in the system and that was the cause I was involved in a fight tonight where Primary Targets were getting called for us and I never saw them at all and a that was just 30/40 people involved. Just cause the game is screwy atm it's not Celest or RZR's fault it's the fecking game last ime I remember it this bad was just after the Red Moon Rising patch. Oh and IBTL. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Commander Nikolas Baseless accusation. To make an accusation like that is despicable. The game would be better without people like you. It's a shame there's no libel in Eve. But let's pick through the accusation shall we? All of their ships were loaded with corpses were they? How many are you talking about? "Loaded" implies full, or at least a significant amount. You killed the camp quickly without losses, since you were only in BCs, I think it's reasonable to assume there were 5 pilots there. So loaded with corpses and you've got 500? 1000? corpses there. Turns out your killboard shows 4 kills, assuming you have posted all your killmails then loaded with corpses would imply certainly hundreds. As far as I am aware corpses appear inside wrecks if they are looted, they do not float in space as independant objects. Am I wrong on this though? I took a look at your killboard, I can find a loss which would appear to match the engagement you described. No corpses showing on the lossmail. Not a single corpse showing in any of the lossmails. You do realise that if there were hundreds then the chances of not a single being destroyed is, well, put it this way , go and buy a lottery ticket. So then these corpses are supposed to magically create desync. So the simple fact that a wreck contains corpses causes it? I think not. But you petitioned the loss - at which point the GMs disagreed with you and told you it was not an exploit and refiled it for you. You win Eve. Galaxian Recruitment Info
lles Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:02:00 - [16] Edited by: lles on 14/07/2007 00:03:02 asdf
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:04:00 - [17] Go RZR
Ishtar1 Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Commander Nikolas Stuff If that is the case CCP has something to worry about. It dosent sound like they intensionaly did it i think you've possably came over a little problem ... just a little one
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:12:00 - [19] Originally by: CYVOK ...Very Disappointed, I spent 2 years building a pile of ****. -CYVOK-
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:35:00 - [20] dyin' for bush's oil profitz!
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Commander Nikolas Baseless accusation. To make an accusation like that is despicable. The game would be better without people like you. It's a shame there's no libel in Eve. But let's pick through the accusation shall we? All of their ships were loaded with corpses were they? How many are you talking about? "Loaded" implies full, or at least a significant amount. You killed the camp quickly without losses, since you were only in BCs, I think it's reasonable to assume there were 5 pilots there. So loaded with corpses and you've got 500? 1000? corpses there. Turns out your killboard shows 4 kills, assuming you have posted all your killmails then loaded with corpses would imply certainly hundreds. As far as I am aware corpses appear inside wrecks if they are looted, they do not float in space as independant objects. Am I wrong on this though? I took a look at your killboard, I can find a loss which would appear to match the engagement you described. No corpses showing on the lossmail. Not a single corpse showing in any of the lossmails. You do realise that if there were hundreds then the chances of not a single being destroyed is, well, put it this way , go and buy a lottery ticket. So then these corpses are supposed to magically create desync. So the simple fact that a wreck contains corpses causes it? I think not. But you petitioned the loss - at which point the GMs disagreed with you and told you it was not an exploit and refiled it for you. You win Eve. 1) Actually corpses do appear as seperate objects not in the loot, wrecks, or cans. 2) The numbers of corpses was listed: 50+ 3) If you don't believe the number go to M-O. They are still all there on the gate.
p0pup7arge7 Shooting Gallery	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:48:00 - [22] Edited by: p0pup7arge7 on 14/07/2007 00:49:04 Edited by: p0pup7arge7 on 14/07/2007 00:48:40 Originally by: Commander Nikolas Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Commander Nikolas Baseless accusation. To make an accusation like that is despicable. The game would be better without people like you. It's a shame there's no libel in Eve. But let's pick through the accusation shall we? All of their ships were loaded with corpses were they? How many are you talking about? "Loaded" implies full, or at least a significant amount. You killed the camp quickly without losses, since you were only in BCs, I think it's reasonable to assume there were 5 pilots there. So loaded with corpses and you've got 500? 1000? corpses there. Turns out your killboard shows 4 kills, assuming you have posted all your killmails then loaded with corpses would imply certainly hundreds. As far as I am aware corpses appear inside wrecks if they are looted, they do not float in space as independant objects. Am I wrong on this though? I took a look at your killboard, I can find a loss which would appear to match the engagement you described. No corpses showing on the lossmail. Not a single corpse showing in any of the lossmails. You do realise that if there were hundreds then the chances of not a single being destroyed is, well, put it this way , go and buy a lottery ticket. So then these corpses are supposed to magically create desync. So the simple fact that a wreck contains corpses causes it? I think not. But you petitioned the loss - at which point the GMs disagreed with you and told you it was not an exploit and refiled it for you. You win Eve. 1) Actually corpses do appear as seperate objects not in the loot, wrecks, or cans. 2) The numbers of corpses was listed: 50+ 3) If you don't believe the number go to M-O. They are still all there on the gate. Your new huh? Go to any 0.0 entrance point and you will find many corpses nearby cause thats where they end up. But good job and welcome to eve.
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:50:00 - [23] Question to the critics: Yes, we have all seen the new de-sync issues even in small gangs. Has anyone here ever had it happen to the whole gang? We have been in battles were it got so bad that most of the players had to re-log... but there are always people who don't de-sync... people who update everyone well they re-log about the battle. Secondly in all those battles it seemed to affect players on both sides... This case was very different. None of our players noticed any of the key signs of de-sync. None of our players saw any of hostiles.
DarthJosh Amarr DEATHFUNK	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:57:00 - [24] rofl @ being owned by invisible battleships. lol xD
bookwoorm	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:59:00 - [25] WTS Covert Tactical Cloaking device III
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 14/07/2007 01:04:17 Edit. Not getting in to this bathtub. - - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Krimzin Kane Edited by: Krimzin Kane on 13/07/2007 22:57:43 yes, some people like to collect corpses.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Synapse Archae Edited by: Synapse Archae on 14/07/2007 01:04:17 Edit. Not getting in to this bathtub. He thinks COAD can help him because he'll "expose" Razor and CELES for the horrible haxors they are - or aren't. You decide! In all seriousness though, to the OP. CCP decide to desynch your gang and not theirs, and distinguish between the two opposing sides by a bit of clever coding introduced in Rev2. Essentially when you sit in front of your monitor (CRT or TFT) the electrical field used to power it is affected by a number of factors. None of these short of a magnet very close to the screen (try putting a speaker on the glass) will affect the actual image you see. However feedback from these will affect the reflected signal the monitor receives. It's not set up to read this signal, but because the whole thing forms an electrical current, and the frequency of the fluctuations is far removed from the frequencies used to give the signal it's possible for your graphics card to look at the data from this feedback. One of the things that affects it is human brain patterns. When these are "reflected" (reflected isn't exactly correct, but it works for this explanation) it can determine some aspects. It's not able to do complicated things, but it can tell a few basic factors. One way to prevent this is to insulate your head. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Razor Jaxx Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:15:00 - [29] They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:23:00 - [30] I'm of the opinion there is some sort of exploit being used to cause these types of things. We had it happen to a Uni fleet as well. One domi jumps into our large bubble and we engage, then as our far side scout reports allies of the Domi arriving, every gang member in the bubbled system's essentially goes link dead. We can no longer have any effect and the other side just jumps in and wipes out the fleet. From the way our com chatter went, this happened at the same moment to every member of the gang, except the scout. I think someone has found a new way to cheat and I hope that when CCP figures out how to stop it, they perma ban and destroy every account that used it.
iseeyou1 Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:30:00 - [31] ok so i just looked at the cartel killboard and i dont see a lose in the past 2 or 3 days from commander nikolas, so what accout were you on, idimmu69 or another account you share. just wondering since you said you lost a ship to but yet its not on your board or theres.
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Silentbrick I'm of the opinion there is some sort of exploit being used to cause these types of things. We had it happen to a Uni fleet as well. One domi jumps into our large bubble and we engage, then as our far side scout reports allies of the Domi arriving, every gang member in the bubbled system's essentially goes link dead. We can no longer have any effect and the other side just jumps in and wipes out the fleet. From the way our com chatter went, this happened at the same moment to every member of the gang, except the scout. I think someone has found a new way to cheat and I hope that when CCP figures out how to stop it, they perma ban and destroy every account that used it. Humm, we were sitting in the hostile large bubble when we started dying. But fought with bubbles so many times, never seen anything like that. Was this before or after the patch?
p0pup7arge7 Shooting Gallery	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:35:00 - [33] Babies.... This thread needs more cowbell.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 02:23:00 - [34] We must be haxing really indiscrimately because I was desynced last time I was in a fleet fight. That's how uber we are, we like to fight without having control of our ships. Infact darth orders us to play with our feet, while blind folded. Maybe Celes are so uber now that the servers just can't handle our uberness? Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 02:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Commander Nikolas Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 14/07/2007 00:54:39 Yes, we have all seen the new de-sync issues even in small gangs. Has anyone here ever had it happen to the whole gang? Yes! Why do you think everyone has been complaining about it since Rev II?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 03:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Razor Jaxx They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets. "WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS" sorry dude, low on gas --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.14 04:23:00 - [37] let me take you through your op. 1)i have de-synched before 2)i de-synched again 3)some guy at the camp was collecting the corpses at the gate... or was in a hurse(btw i have a kestrel that i use a hurse so shutup) 4)it must have been a hax-sploit and quite frankly... if its a module or corpses that create this de-synch... dont you think the other side would have been affected as well? MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 04:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Minigin let me take you through your op. 1)i have de-synched before 2)i de-synched again 3)some guy at the camp was collecting the corpses at the gate... or was in a hurse(btw i have a kestrel that i use a hurse so shutup) 4)it must have been a hax-sploit and quite frankly... if its a module or corpses that create this de-synch... dont you think the other side would have been affected as well? No, dummy, the side who brings the most corpses is the side who DOESN'T desynch, which is the exploit he's talking about DUH. by: Minigin
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 04:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Synapse Archae Edited by: Synapse Archae on 14/07/2007 01:04:17 Edit. Not getting in to this bathtub. He thinks COAD can help him because he'll "expose" Razor and CELES for the horrible haxors they are - or aren't. You decide! In all seriousness though, to the OP. CCP decide to desynch your gang and not theirs, and distinguish between the two opposing sides by a bit of clever coding introduced in Rev2. Essentially when you sit in front of your monitor (CRT or TFT) the electrical field used to power it is affected by a number of factors. None of these short of a magnet very close to the screen (try putting a speaker on the glass) will affect the actual image you see. However feedback from these will affect the reflected signal the monitor receives. It's not set up to read this signal, but because the whole thing forms an electrical current, and the frequency of the fluctuations is far removed from the frequencies used to give the signal it's possible for your graphics card to look at the data from this feedback. One of the things that affects it is human brain patterns. When these are "reflected" (reflected isn't exactly correct, but it works for this explanation) it can determine some aspects. It's not able to do complicated things, but it can tell a few basic factors. One way to prevent this is to insulate your head. HAHAHAHAHAHA. 10bux says dude is trying out this "zomghax0r" as we speak. P.S. Razor you suck how did you figure out this exploit I hate you so much. by: Minigin
bloody johnroberts Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.14 04:51:00 - [40] Oh this is a new one NOT the only exploit here is people trying to justify there reinbursment by spewing rubbish i have been on m-o gate camps there are always corpses on that gate check the killboards. i suggest you stay in empire if you cant take losing a ship.
IHaveTenFingers Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.14 05:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Razor Jaxx They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets. "WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS" sorry dude, low on gas Their pylon got popped, before the probe could drop a cannon, calm down. -TF
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.14 05:03:00 - [42] the manners in this thread is quite impressive tbh! if someone is actually trying to spot the reason for the de-sync errors dont flame him dead, even thou pointing with the big exploit stick is quite harsh. but still: guess that the response to this thread is the new nothern hype of 2007.
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.07.14 05:39:00 - [43] Look if you kill that many ships all filled with lost souls from battles yarns ago you are bound to have several ghost ships appear and avenge your attempt to vandalize this holy ground.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.14 06:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/07/2007 06:11:25 Originally by: Commander Nikolas blah blah blah This guy is never worth listening too.
Xendie Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:15:00 - [45] Yee be warned... watch out for the Ghost Crew. Funny that though I was on vent at the time listening to our gang, *****ing target calling and a great victory, although there were shouts of 'bloody laggy pile o sh..' after. The ghost ships even managed to grab all the loot from the battlefield.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Razor Jaxx They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets. Turrets are for nubs, more science vessels + emp ---
Syntosk Amarr FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:21:00 - [47] If you had approached the situation in another way... We could try and debug the situation... anyway... rofl @ being owned by invisible battleships -- "Purge the unclean..."
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:27:00 - [48] Originally by: DarthJosh rofl @ being owned by invisible battleships. lol xD QFT ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:41:00 - [49] HA! Invicible ships, its like off-grid fighting back in 2004! Your misstake was to come on here and scream about haxsploits. If you would have kept that out maybe someone had taken you seriously and we could have had a nice conversation about your experience. Now that is sadly not going to happen. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:43:00 - [50] Henry IV (3 April 1367 û 20 March 1413) was the King of England and France and Lord of Ireland from 1399 to 1413. He was born at Bolingbroke Castle in Lincolnshire, hence the other name by which he was known, "Henry (of) Bolingbroke". His father, John of Gaunt, was the third and oldest surviving son of King Edward III of England, and enjoyed a position of considerable influence during much of the reign of Richard II. Henry's mother was Blanche, heiress to the considerable Lancaster estates.
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 07:49:00 - [51] In modern English, the term ghost ship has come to denote at least one of three separate (though occasionally overlapping) definitions, all of which involving, in one respect or other, unexplained circumstances. Historically, the term has been used to refer to reported sightings of apparitions over water that have appeared in the form of maritime sailing ships, often after having previously been known to have sunk, or to derelict vessels found floating with no crew. In fiction, ghost ships have often been vessels crewed by some manner of spectral or non-living beings. by: Minigin
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 09:07:00 - [52] Well i have no idea wtf de synch is, but we just heard there were some evil people camping m-0 and jumped in and fired. It was a new sort of lagg, it was like my screen froze on jumpin, the overview stayed the same, i didnt move. Only thing i could do was target and activate my modules, i got hit msg's but the targets didnt show as taking damages. Had to relog after the fight so that i could see myself moving again. Jß Tg er bestur, takk! Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.07.14 09:29:00 - [53] Lol. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 09:32:00 - [54] Hot off the heels of his smash hit series, spiritual phenomenon Derek Acorah and his trusty psychic investigators, presenters Danniella Westbrook and Angus Purden, head to M-OEEB for a Ghost system Live three-day spookathon. M-OEEB is rumoured to be stalked by 4 ghost Battleships, and boasts a record 504 recorded hauntings making it perfect for Ghost System's Live , LIVINGtv's eagerly anticipated first live paranormal event of 2007. Derek will be sharing his extraordinary psychic gift and thirst for all things paranormal with M-OEEB locals who are eager to share their personal experiences with him. For the first time on live TV, it is the public who lead the investigation as we discover new, exciting and often terrifying phenomena. Following each nights live investigation, viewers will have the opportunity to interact via SMS with a further ghostly activity as it happens during the witching hour. Steeped in tales of brutal and gruesome pwning, horrific ganks and ancient poddings, M-OEEB is ideal for Derek to explore. The renowned 50' Ghost Ship will take the team in to the most paranormally active system in New Eden for the live three day fright fest! From astroid belts and Ice Fields to Stations and Jump Gates, Derek and team will leave no stone unturned when it comes to revealing M-OEEB's ghostly past I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 09:50:00 - [55] huh?, i listened to the fight on vent.. celes apoc were in taisy moving stuff, our razor friends were camping in m-o. the boys heard that a gang was on otherside taking fire, they jumped in with sum bs and killed u.. they deffo didnt have corpses in the ships and im sure u didnt kill any celes apoc as we have no loses on our killboard, unless its a new guy that dont have access yet. so next time u think the boys have been exploiting ask first. never say we cheat because that hurts my feelings. d solo RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.14 09:57:00 - [56] Some people should just stay away from any form of pvp.. I got one quistion however. Are you sure you gang had bs in you overview settings?? Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.07.14 10:02:00 - [57] One time I de-synched while cooking supper. By the time the kitchen unfroze the kids had eaten and I had started the dishes. I was still hungry.
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.07.14 10:04:00 - [58] Wait, wait, this ones better. One time I de-synched, Now I have to wash my hands in the toilet. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.07.14 10:08:00 - [59] Did you still have Empire war / low sec overview settings with war targets and low standings showing but neutrals removed? That could be your problem. And your overview could have been bugged, my corpmates have recently been saying that not all targets load on overview, and the ones missing tend to be the same for everyone. Refreshing overview doesn't seem to help with that one. Anyway, what about zooming out your camera for a better view of the battlefield? Either way, you should have put it down to a glitch in private, I think. Logoffs
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 10:12:00 - [60] One time I desynched while at the pub. By the time I unfroze it was 4 hours later and I was lying face down in a gutter with a traffic cone on my head with no recollection of how I got there.
Tiuwaz Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2007.07.14 10:36:00 - [61] this thread is pure hilarity ___________________________________
Amanda Wilkins Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish	Posted - 2007.07.14 11:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Commander Nikolas Smack, spam and more hilarious theories... Let's find a better Commander Nikolas quote, shall we? Originally by: Commander Nikolas What is the saying... "when you can't win in space... win on the forums?". Must be himself he is talking about? ROTFLMAO! Amanda Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain ... because we DGAF!
jarack Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:18:00 - [63] I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands Celestial Apocalypse Recruitment
BobFromMarketing Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:28:00 - [64] Razor and Cel Apoc use dev sploitz, news at 11.
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:38:00 - [65] By jove, I knew there was a reason I collected corpses - coming to a system near you, the invisible blasterthron of mass destruction Yarrr!!... ahem ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.14 12:38:00 - [66] Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands quoted im limegreen MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Ricco Lonestar Minmatar xtort	Posted - 2007.07.14 13:10:00 - [67] It's either fiction. Or a misplaced try to get reimbursement. If last give it a try and tell CCP that they maybe were playing on unpayed accounts. That were expired but still logged in. You never know if there is voodoo.....
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.14 13:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 14/07/2007 06:11:25 Originally by: Commander Nikolas blah blah blah This guy is never worth listening too. Takes one to know one! - - - - - - - - - -
Wesley Baird Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 15:04:00 - [69] Perhaps, the problem was not so sinister, perhaps it went something like this. Since Rev2, alliance standings and corp standings have been buggered, where often corp standings seem to over-ride alliance standings. Maybe your pilots all had their overviews set to not show friendlies. Your corps may have been hostile to their alliance, but the corps positive (or neutral) to your attackers. The corp standings over-rode your alliance standings. So they hostiles did not show up on overview. Since your gang was busy looting they probably did not see them in space as they were looking in wrecks and their overviews were not showing any danger.... Im not sure if thats what happened, but its a more reasonable explanation than a hack tbh.
Sku1ly coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.14 15:23:00 - [70] All I know is that Kinsy is an exploiting menace to this game and it sickens me that such a terrible injustice is served everytime he is allowed to log on once more. It really does dishearten me when people such as Kinsy continue to grief and exploit. Last night I heard him say 'I have sick in my nose'. Immediately I lost all control of my ship and flew into a sun. FREE EVE, BAN KINSY.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Sku1ly All I know is that Kinsy is an exploiting menace to this game and it sickens me that such a terrible injustice is served everytime he is allowed to log on once more. It really does dishearten me when people such as Kinsy continue to grief and exploit. Last night I heard him say 'I have sick in my nose'. Immediately I lost all control of my ship and flew into a sun. FREE EVE, BAN KINSY. SIGNED! Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:46:00 - [72] Edited by: Kinsy on 14/07/2007 18:52:22 ROFL No, you just suck. Im buying a replacement Curse out the corp wallet. It was the corps fault i had twenty shots and got sick up my nose and then proceeded to try and pvp, therefore they will pay.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:51:00 - [73] Edited by: Noluck Ned on 14/07/2007 18:52:18 I highly doubt it.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.07.14 19:26:00 - [74] Originally by: Silentbrick I'm of the opinion there is some sort of exploit being used to cause these types of things. We had it happen to a Uni fleet as well. One domi jumps into our large bubble and we engage, then as our far side scout reports allies of the Domi arriving, every gang member in the bubbled system's essentially goes link dead. We can no longer have any effect and the other side just jumps in and wipes out the fleet. From the way our com chatter went, this happened at the same moment to every member of the gang, except the scout. I think someone has found a new way to cheat and I hope that when CCP figures out how to stop it, they perma ban and destroy every account that used it. Yep, there's a mazzive new exploit hole that a few 'in the know' have figured out how to use to great effect. Side A sits there clueless, either unable to do anything to get away, or are doing things as normal and sudden find themselves under attack from ghosts. I've petitioned this numerous times, and every time the GMs tell me that it's nothing that they can verify (or reproduce), et al. They damn well better find out WTF it is and soon before they get another big stink for allowing glaring exploits to permeate their game (which they already do: macros) and do nothing to stop them.
Mr Revenge Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.14 23:35:00 - [75] You forgot to put on your tinfoil hat before creating this thread, now I can read your mind and I really know you used this recent desync issue as the blame for getting your mates killed. Just face it, u guys got owned. This is what happend from my p.o.v. Celes gang sitting on the Taisy gate in Nalvula fishing for some pirates. I read our intel channel and see some blue guy screaming for help in m-0eeb. We jump to taisy and make haste to the m-o gate where we jump in blind and I take command of our 4 bs's calling targets (losing my FC virginity in the process). From my first impression of our opponent it looked like they were heading for the gate as a large bub was up and they had no way out. I call the closest guy he pops, rinse, repeat several more times. We take no loss. We loot. Heres a screenshot of the wrecks: YOU GOT OWNED! Throughout the entire fight i have no lag or desync issue. Eveything appeared fine to me. And feck, im running at 56k dialup speed. Even in one of our recent fleet fights with umm 53 people involved only a few of our guys desyncd, its hard to beleive every single one of yours did. Take responsibility for your dead fleet and stop playing the blame game. And how dare your accuse us of being cheats and haxing you rude impolite little man. Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold and revenge is coming for you. REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN CAPSLOCKS!
Mister Fabulous	Posted - 2007.07.14 23:38:00 - [76] Damn i'm good looking.
ElweSingollo Starlancers Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.07.14 23:59:00 - [77] Originally by: Gibmundur Well i have no idea wtf de synch is, but we just heard there were some evil people camping m-0 and jumped in and fired. It was a new sort of lagg, it was like my screen froze on jumpin, the overview stayed the same, i didnt move. Only thing i could do was target and activate my modules, i got hit msg's but the targets didnt show as taking damages. Had to relog after the fight so that i could see myself moving again. Jß Tg er bestur, takk! Actually that sounds very familiar tbh we were on a roaming gang early today attacked a Drake and orbited at 7.5km started shooting and the drake was going down at about half armor then I just lost lock the drake was there according to my screen and I couldn't relock one or two other gang mates said over vent Drake down then Pod down and I am like wtf I am still orbiting the drake according to my screen had to relog it fix it . CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.15 00:07:00 - [78] OMG TeH CorPsEZ!!1 TeHY R Teh HAxx1NGg Uss!!!??!!one!11 >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.15 00:16:00 - [79] Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands Thats not a desync.. A desync is where you think you are on the toilet but you went in the sink..
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.15 00:21:00 - [80] Edited by: Krimzin Kane on 15/07/2007 00:21:50 Originally by: Mr Revenge Throughout the entire fight i have no lag or desync issue. Eveything appeared fine to me. And feck, im running at 56k dialup speed. BUT DID YOU HAVE CORPSES IN YOUR CARGOHOLD SEE THAT'S WHAT THE HAX IS, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!!111 Also, another time I desynched, it was before the patch. I mean before this new Revelations. Wait, is that a patch? Anywho, my ship was at a gate but my overview said I was 123123123 bajillion km from the gate. Oh god, I figured it out... I was a test subject for the future desynch infection And since I didn't have any corpses in my cargo... I report, you decide. by: Minigin
Mr Revenge Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 00:51:00 - [81] Quote: BUT DID YOU HAVE CORPSES IN YOUR CARGOHOLD SEE THAT'S WHAT THE HAX IS, HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!!!!! Dude i think u need to lay of the bong a bit that ganja melting your cerebral cortex. Now how did i have corpses in my cargo? and how did you see them? in my wreck? If my ship is still intact (im in it right now) i think your desync is due to some seriously good smoke, more like hallucination. REVENGE IS A DISH BEST SERVED IN CAPSLOCKS!
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 01:48:00 - [82] I'm desyncing to ladyboys. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Xendie Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 06:22:00 - [83] Originally by: Sku1ly All I know is that Kinsy is an exploiting menace to this game and it sickens me that such a terrible injustice is served everytime he is allowed to log on once more. It really does dishearten me when people such as Kinsy continue to grief and exploit. Last night I heard him say 'I have sick in my nose'. Immediately I lost all control of my ship and flew into a sun. FREE EVE, BAN KINSY. You should be banned for making me blow coffee all over my monitors!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.15 08:10:00 - [84] Go into your eve options window, click on player settings, and deselect stupid please. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Manatheren Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 09:11:00 - [85] Sorry to say that I suffered the same effects as Gib - could target and activate modules, but nothing else appeared to happen. Of course, relogging landed me a good 30km away from where I apparently started and I'd successfully forced myself onto a few killmails, but it's most disconcerting nonetheless. But I'm sure that's all just friendly-fire hacking, right?
Adm Tecumseh Caldari Frequently Asked Questions	Posted - 2007.07.15 10:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands quoted im limegreen This was a crap regurgitation of my post earlier in teh same thread and you saw fit to quote it??? WTF give credit where credit is due.
TheJay Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 11:27:00 - [87] WTS desync sploits \o/
Horas Redwyne Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:04:00 - [88] Originally by: Mr Revenge You forgot to put on your tinfoil hat before creating this thread, now I can read your mind and I really know you used this recent desync issue as the blame for getting your mates killed. Just face it, u guys got owned. This is what happend from my p.o.v. Celes gang sitting on the Taisy gate in Nalvula fishing for some pirates. I read our intel channel and see some blue guy screaming for help in m-0eeb. We jump to taisy and make haste to the m-o gate where we jump in blind and I take command of our 4 bs's calling targets (losing my FC virginity in the process). From my first impression of our opponent it looked like they were heading for the gate as a large bub was up and they had no way out. I call the closest guy he pops, rinse, repeat several more times. We take no loss. We loot. Heres a screenshot of the wrecks: YOU GOT OWNED! Throughout the entire fight i have no lag or desync issue. Eveything appeared fine to me. And feck, im running at 56k dialup speed. Even in one of our recent fleet fights with umm 53 people involved only a few of our guys desyncd, its hard to beleive every single one of yours did. Take responsibility for your dead fleet and stop playing the blame game. And how dare your accuse us of being cheats and haxing you rude impolite little man. Remember, revenge is a dish best served cold and revenge is coming for you. Ahaaaa! Their FC was playing using a 56k dialup connection. Thats their secret!! WTS my DSL!
Cenila Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:32:00 - [89] i whas the FC that time and i gave the order to jump in and kill you guys. the funny thing is that you are one off the first that called Celes a cheater, like you say you guys where on the gate but the funny thing is iff you all dysinc how can you shoot my alt than thats in a frig so dont go about dysinc, you guys are triggerhappy and you payed for that. most peopole know that when you are in that area there is a bigg change celes gonna be shooting your ass verry fast. mybe next time you sort your overvieuw out so not only easya targets and industrials are on it so you can see whe are shooting you. and lol your hole gang got lagg problems and whe that are jumping in had none. daim dude thats strange next time i tell my gangmembers to let there laggmodules home for now i can only say. you are a joke learn that pvp brings manny problems and iff you cant handle that go npc or do missions i am sure they dont have a dysinc button like every Celes member thanks for all the peopole that know Celes always is up for a fight but whil NEVER cheat. have fun all and remember when you see these guys let them know you are there before shooting they might have not seen you yet.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 12:41:00 - [90] Excuse Cenila she's French
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.07.15 13:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Razor Jaxx They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets. "WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS" sorry dude, low on gas Lies. Turrets don't require gas. You are a sinner against SC! It should have read: "We need more minerals." Someone get the macros on it. More veldspar must be processed. Cythrawl DEFY Director Zerg Rush Johnny! =+=+=+=+=+=+= Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL.
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.15 13:27:00 - [92] Edited by: Kinsy on 15/07/2007 13:31:04 Originally by: Plim I'm desyncing to ladyboys. You desync in Lodhi's ass. Infact i think Plim makes more sense than Cenila, and Plim has been awarded the award UberMoron of the Year for the past 5 years.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.15 16:43:00 - [93] Hmmm, seems like we need some new builds to take advantage of this new strat. I dunno since I'm new, but what's a good capital ship to take advantage of this? BTW, I only have 2.7 mil SPs so I'd like something that doesn't take me weeks to train. More seriously, I think there might be some truth to the original poster's concerns. My take is that there isn't an exploit, but due to the vagaries of the servers, code, and your standing with CCP, you may end up more frozen than your opposition.
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.15 23:46:00 - [94] lol @ Celestial Apoc You guys have alot attitude. Several members of your corp have reported you only had 4 BS at that "fight". If that is true, don't you think you would have taken casualties in the "fight"? You are such hot PvPers... so cool... you popped a bunch of ships with an invisible fleet and go nuts in local and on the forums. Really cool... I wish I was that good too! Except... wait... When we popped all your + blue mates camping the gate... they could see us and shoot back... we still didn't take any casualties... omg So far lots of people in this post seem to feel there is a point to making comments about north/south/bob/whatever. I am not sure what that has to do with anything in this post? To compound the matter it seems like 90% of the people in this post seem to think this was either a de-sync/overview bug/made up story. 1) (de-sync) The ships we COULD SEE continued to turn, move, be targetable, take damage, etc... it was NOT similar to the de-sync issues we have ALL been seeing in almost every fight. 2) (overview) The ships were NOT visible in space, let alone on our overview. Several members of Celestial Apoc have said they came in from Taisy. If this is true then they would have been right on top of us as we suspected form the weapons listed on our death mails. 3) (made up story) I have better things to do with my time in game then post a made up story on the forums. After cheaking this thread today, I am going to try and see if I can get some fraps posted up on eve-files.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.15 23:56:00 - [95] The problem Nikolas is your immedate rush to COAD to make a post about Razor and CELES being cheaters and insinuating they did it on purpose. Nobody is swallowing that. Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc. I'd like to think nobody is happy it happened to you. But at the end of the day it's a known current problem with the game and something CCP need to fix. But rushing to the forums with absolutely no real reason to believe someone is cheating and making them out to be nasty *****s is bad form. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Krimzin Kane Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 02:32:00 - [96] Originally by: Stamm Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc. Exactly. Like one time a bunch of red stars appeared on my overview and I started to pew pew them and it turned out that they weren't war targets, they were neutral and so Concord made me suffer. But like, I didn't blame Privateers for hax and I didn't file a petition cuz I'm just too cool like that. by: Minigin
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.16 03:02:00 - [97] Originally by: Stamm The problem Nikolas is your immedate rush to COAD to make a post about Razor and CELES being cheaters and insinuating they did it on purpose. Nobody is swallowing that. Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc. I'd like to think nobody is happy it happened to you. But at the end of the day it's a known current problem with the game and something CCP need to fix. But rushing to the forums with absolutely no real reason to believe someone is cheating and making them out to be nasty *****s is bad form. If it was a legitimate bug... oh well, the reason this post was made is because there was no indication at all that it was a bug. We are a PvP corp, we have grown very used to the new de-sync issues. Our clients were not de-synced, we were able to acces cans, move our ships, jump through gates. Last night we fought Stain Empire for 3+ hours with 100 people+ in local. There were 15 capitals on the field, 100s of ships and pods destroyed... (this is total between all the forces, in no way a comment about the outcome of the battle). During that fight we had many players de-sync, as usual. We had lag, etc... I am sure both sides had the same issues! With regards to this issue, I will ask my pilots to post their loss mails. Regarding the burden of proof. Celestial Apoc members have stated that they only had 4x BS in that engadgment. Well on our loss mails all 4 BS are present on most of them. We had a group of 10x tier 3 BCs with T2 fit. Why wouldn't we engadged, the odds would have been pretty heavy in our favor? I am also trying to see if we havve fraps or screens or anything... I heard today we might. The problem is people only generally take fraps of FIGHTS, where there are enemy ships... We didn't even fully understand what had happened until we started looking at our death mails. This also answers some of the questions we had about the engadgment. Celestial Apoc has confirmed with their posts that all of the ships they put on into the fight were able to see our ships and destroy them even if some are claiming they were de-synced but still able to fire. With most fights now a certian percent of players will get de-synced, that is NORMAL. Having 100% of the enemy players not de-synced but not able to see your fleet in space. Is pretty much unheard of from the looks of this forum thread. If I had posted this thread and there had been alot of responses like "Yeah, heard about that same problem a few days ago... quit whining you nub". I would gladly have retracted my accusation and apologized. However with almost 50 responses and thousands of reads, it only re-affirms that this event was not related to the bugs we are all experiencing. So bring on the flaming you little COAD trolls. If anyone of you can link me up to a fraps since the patch of a similiar invisible fleet, I will retract my accusation... apologize for being a nub... and pay you 50mil isk! (there needs to be some kind of comment from the players involved that they were all experiencing the same thing the fraps displays) I am actually being serious about the payment, contact me in game if you have info demonstrating ANYONE using razor and celestial apocs new tactic.
Syntosk Amarr FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.07.16 05:39:00 - [98] Originally by: Commander Nikolas However with almost 50 responses and thousands of reads, it only re-affirms that this event was not related to the bugs we are all experiencing. It can mean 3 things: a. You were victim of a vile technique that ONLY celes and razor know and they ONLY used it against YOU, as if you where something special. b. You had some bug and dont have a clue to what happened. c. You made this history as an excuse cause it suxx to get owned by bad leadership. Pick your choice -- "Purge the unclean..."
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.16 05:56:00 - [99] Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 16/07/2007 06:00:43 Update: This is the rough cut of the fraps. This is very low res and has our coms as the audio. We will try to get a higher res release out so you can read the scanner and overview. This is from our dedicated cov-ops pilot. I was the FC of the op. I will not answer questions about the other voices. http://www.chopaderos.com/wtf.wmv A rough outline of fraps/audio: 1) (30 seconds) You hear the initial comments going into the fight are from our earlier convo. The plan was to just into this gate camp (there is always one there). Just have fun with it, kill as much as we can. I call primary and we de-cloak. 2) (next 4 minutes) Cleaning up the gate camp, new targets warping in, the normal. Lots of change (frigs and other crap) floating around. Old targets, drones, looting... everything going pretty normal. 3) (after 5 minutes into the video) Chaos... I start taking heavy damage... My first assumption fighters assigned to some of the random junk ships floating in and out. Second assumption... I must be de-sync... lets figure out who can see what... nobody is stepping up... (which is not normal, when FC says he is de-sync anyone who is not de-sync is supposed to step up and call targets)... Coms are going no where... people are dying left and right... so I tell everyone to get out. Still not able to see the hostile fleet. Then people start complaing about being disabled, others are just fine able to move and leave. Which seemed pretty normal in a small gang fight since the patch (gotta love the de-sync!). What is not included in the video is our long after fight discussions about who was really de-sync and who could do everything else normal in game but just couldn't see those specific hostiles. Some players were deffinitly de-sync as is normal... Which is why this forum post is here. After everything was said and done, looking at the death mails, talking about how it all went down. We came to the conclusion that it didn't make any sense... Talking with all the pilots there about what they saw, why they didn't say "nik, shut up..." and start calling targets... Everything was too perfectly timed by razor and celestial apoc. Even our players who were 100% sure they were no de-synced couldn't see the hostile fleet that killed us. We have never experienced bugs like that. Not to mention the response we got today from CCP says that there are not known bugs in the game that could have created the situation I described (shown in the fraps).
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.07.16 06:42:00 - [100] Why post it here? Now the goons and RA will deff. try to copy it.. There should be enough Goon corpses they can use ->My Vids<-
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:01:00 - [101] Originally by: Commander Nikolas lol @ Celestial Apoc You guys have alot attitude. Several members of your corp have reported you only had 4 BS at that "fight". If that is true, don't you think you would have taken casualties in the "fight"? You are such hot PvPers... so cool... you popped a bunch of ships with an invisible fleet and go nuts in local and on the forums. Really cool... I wish I was that good too! Except... wait... When we popped all your + blue mates camping the gate... they could see us and shoot back... we still didn't take any casualties... omg. u are trying to say we cheated. thats why the lads are replying in that way. if the MM/razor or whoever were there had corpses then thats an issue u have with them, not us. we dont cheat, it only sometimes looks that way as we are just better than you. d solo. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:20:00 - [102] watching ur video it was an obvious desync thats been happening to everyone in eve lately inc ourselves. its not a nice thing to happen but still doesnt give u an excuse to scream "exploit" against the other parties involved. put your petition in, remove ur crazy words and move on. also next time dont shoot a bubble without a scout on the otherside. d solo. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:51:00 - [103] Good work Darth, throw him off the trail of our invisible fleet. Commander Nikolarse, dude you got owned by our invisible ships, move on... move on.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.16 11:15:00 - [104] I feel sorry for the OP. I hope the GMs take your petition more seriously than the guys in here do.
Chip2k3 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 11:20:00 - [105] Edited by: Chip2k3 on 16/07/2007 11:20:25 OMG REASONABLE EXPLANATION INCOMING!!!!111 It's called lag you ass-hat. You were on gate, they jumped in as you guys de-synched/lagged out/whatever. They popped you. You cried. Waaaaa Waaaaaa. The End.
El'hith Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.16 11:38:00 - [106] I wasnt present at the fight, i heard about it afterwards. Ive seen the fraps and the CVOPS pilot was a member of my corporation ive known since ive started eve. This happened. (to settle the people who are throwing petty insults of fabricated storys at nick) Nick was wrong to come here and throw accusations in the manner he did against Insurgency and Celes Apoc, but he was correct to highlight the fact the 1st time we have ever experianced this was during a fight with them. Apologies for the accusations on the issue. Nicks a Fighter not a lover [Thats why im here ] I can understand the perspective of the pilots in our fleet who got attacked with no way of retaliating and im sure you can too. At least you all know to be constantly paranoid of invisable fleets now So D.Solo 'watching ur video it was an obvious desync thats been happening to everyone in eve lately inc ourselves. ' If that was the case why didnt you say you had been attacked by invisable fleets at the start of this thread. The only reason nick brought this here was because our entire fleet couldnt see anything. We obviously wanted to know if anyone else had in the past, had that specific issue. The manner in which he put this question across may not have been the best, but as ive already said hes a FC not a diplomat ;) I hope this point is the end of the troll posts on this subject. Thanks El'hith The Phoenix Mercenaries {PIXE2} CEO The Cartel. {GUNS } Executive
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:00:00 - [107] You desynched, plain and simple. The fact you can still see friendlys and hostiles on overview is irrelevant. Whats happening at the momment of desynch continues on your screen so you will still see drones out, fast ships orbiting etc but nothing updates. Ive been blown up by ships I cant see too (and didnt get them reimbursed). Welcome to Rev II
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:05:00 - [108] Of late we had local peeked at 90 with 60 or so of those enemy jumping in ( not at our gate even) and it was easily enough to screw up the game. 90 people.... I do remeber some fights further back in time with much bigger numbers and nothing like this happening. Sooner or later if it stays as it is it will turn really sucky sucky. " do we have enough to dysnc them yet? " .... ( weener) " its getting a bit laggy this way lets turn back " ( wanger ) Its the same thing for loggin ect, to hear poeple say its the correct practise to log on jump in at trouble. Those people, the ones that have no hope of getting there heads out there own ..... CCP have at least got most of this working (loggin to save ur cant handle 0.0 ass) but if they cant stop the dysnc exspcect the game to go rapidly down hill with all the tools who cant handle playing right using yet another glitch to create a most unenjoyable gaming exsperiance to agin a week victory. I see alot of good players in both friendly and enemy camps who feel pritty disgusted with there gaming exsperiance atm. I wish ccp good luck on making this happen, please try get it right now .. not after u reach ur goal for numbers on server.. pritty please, cos it will just get much much uglier soon.
Sun Ra Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:16:00 - [109] Darth solo exploited me once while i was sleeping, but thats another story ATUF RIP - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 12:44:00 - [110] Edited by: Baddias Mongo on 16/07/2007 12:45:39 Originally by: SwindonBadger I see alot of good players in both friendly and enemy camps who feel pritty disgusted with there gaming exsperiance atm. I wish ccp good luck on making this happen, please try get it right now .. not after u reach ur goal for numbers on server.. pritty please, cos it will just get much much uglier soon. Absolutely. gang v gang and fleet v fleet combat is just plain broke atm. The desynch bug is by far the worst to ever effect EVE since Ive been playing, and unlike other bugs Im sure its one that I and most others are simply not prepared to put up with. The only reason Im still here tbh paying for an unplayable game is because I expected CCP to give this issue the full attention it deserves and either get it fixed quickly or roll back the code or something. But its been what? 3 weeks now since rev II and still no sign of a fix. My fingers already hovering over the cancel subscription button tbh. I fully expected it to be fixed already by now. I will maybe give it another week or so and if theres still no sign of a fix then I will most likely be taking a break from EVE and try other games until I hear it has been fixed... however long that takes.
Scarcus Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:47:00 - [111] I have fought against the OP and his guys before and he is not a noob. If he has a rant, there is no doubt in my mind it is legitimate. Not necessarily the cheating/exploit bit, but the desync. The trolls in this thread are a bit out of line. Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours. Originally by: KIATolon Chowdown, if you use your t
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:52:00 - [112] the desync is so common now everyone must have seen it happen, either to them or to the enemy. we all know about it, we all know its not client as it affects the entire gang. thats partially why the celes boys are annoyed at the orginal poster. to say we somehow made it happen was poor. i understand hes annoyed, as i would be too. its just a good example that running to eve-o and posting when frustrated prob isnt a good idea. peace. d solo. RECRUITING... visit www.celesapoc.com ingame channel "celespublic" for recruitment or chat
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 15:00:00 - [113] 4 CELES BS vs 10 BCs. Who do most people think would win? I know who id put my money on regardless of the removal of bathroom utilities.
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.16 15:27:00 - [114] Kinsy just stop abusing MSN. I know you can call devs whenever you want but give others fair chance in combat :(
Aerick Dawn Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:03:00 - [115] A side-effect of having CELES and RZR in close proximity is alot of explosions. The server code strengthens the node up wherever their gangs go. So your statement is trash! __________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
hawkeiz The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:04:00 - [116] Here is the repost of the tiny version of the video. Unfortunately the orignal file was corrupted when I ctrl-q without stopping fraps first, so hence it took me so long to get it fixed. I'm working on a larger res version, but I really think you can see everything you need to in this small version. Couple of notes I'm going to add: I agree with Hith. I'm not yelling at anyone about an exploit, I'm yelling at CCP to please fix this issue and replace the lost ships. Notice on the video there is no gate activation of any incoming fleet. The couple of gate activations are identified in comms as to who they belonged to. Desync, crashing, lag or whatever it is, I dont know. It's not my job to debug this game. But my ship was out of control. I tried stopping it and it kept going. However, if I had disconnected, refreshing the overview and hitting scan should have not worked... right? Bubble was there when I hit ctrl-q, after I relogged it was gone. Personally, I did not have biomass on my overview, so I can not speak to the number of corpses. Well, here is the video. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0707/invisblefleet.wmv Again, I'm not here to encourage the flame fest between us players, I'm trying to encourage CCP to address these issues.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.16 16:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Fuglife Snippage Etc Etc Steeped in tales of brutal and gruesome pwning, horrific ganks and ancient poddings, M-OEEB is ideal for Derek to explore. The renowned 50' Ghost Ship will take the team in to the most paranormally active system in New Eden for the live three day fright fest! From astroid belts and Ice Fields to Stations and Jump Gates, Derek and team will leave no stone unturned when it comes to revealing M-OEEB's ghostly past Total Thread pwnage You Win! Threv That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.07.16 18:43:00 - [118] Desync in the battle happens to everyone in the same grid we have found out. During our last contract almost EVERY larger fight (10+ ships) had desync issues. If you are desynced, and someone jumps into your grid, they can clean your clocks. Its a very serious issue, one that I hope CCP addresses promptly...since it is NOT lag per say. Merc Blog
Jack Cannon The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:06:00 - [119] yeah the desync stuff is not fun I've had whole gangs desync at the same time (allowing our enemies to escape and worse) it's not something I encounter often but it's so random it makes one very hesitant to get into their shiny faction fitted ships for one... I NEED people to fly those faction fits so I can loot them... CCP please, please just tell us you are working on it!!!
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:17:00 - [120] Lol. Till now i desynced in ALL 1v1 fights (never knew my support arrived or no, tho when they did they could tell me enemy armor/shields/hull on ventrilo). If fight lasts longer than 20 seconds i have GUARANTEED desync (everything freezes, i can only order my drones to attack what i have already locked or order em back to drone bay).
hawkeiz The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.16 19:29:00 - [121] What's even more unbelievable to me is that CCP is not reimbursing some of the losses...
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:58:00 - [122] Originally by: hawkeiz What's even more unbelievable to me is that CCP is not reimbursing some of the losses... That's because CCP is desynced. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Twoside Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2007.07.16 20:58:00 - [123] Originally by: hawkeiz What's even more unreasonable to me is that CCP is not reimbursing some of the losses... Fixed for you, but hey, according to CCP, there is no de-synch!
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.17 00:47:00 - [124] Actually CCP has denied ALL the petitions. Stating clearly that there is no bug capable of disabling an entire gang at once. According to CCP the server logs show we were able to see, target, and destroy the enemy ships as normal. To all the people who are posting in this thread "oh yeah, I have seen de-sync here... there... or this person de-synced in a large fight yesterday". That is a seperate issue. We have all seen that. This thread is about this "effect" or similiar happening to 100% of the hostile gang and 0% effect on the offensive gang. I know several member of celestial apoc have said they did have issues, but they all still appear of most of the killmails so it couldn't have been that large an issue for them. There has been 1 poster that has said he has seen this effect. More information would be greatly appreciated. 50mil reward still stands, no one has claimed it yet.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.17 04:12:00 - [125] Weird things have been afoot lately. Popped some Mammoth full of fuels up North, wreck was created, SHIP stayed in space as a clickable object. Could not be locked or boarded. Just sat there. Till downtime.... FEAR THE GHOST-MAMMOTH!! ex-Occassus Republica <3
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.17 08:14:00 - [126] Edited by: Entreri Finwe on 17/07/2007 08:15:15 Originally by: Commander Nikolas Actually CCP has denied ALL the petitions. Stating clearly that there is no bug capable of disabling an entire gang at once. According to CCP the server logs show we were able to see, target, and destroy the enemy ships as normal. To all the people who are posting in this thread "oh yeah, I have seen de-sync here... there... or this person de-synced in a large fight yesterday". That is a seperate issue. We have all seen that. This thread is about this "effect" or similiar happening to 100% of the hostile gang and 0% effect on the offensive gang. I know several member of celestial apoc have said they did have issues, but they all still appear of most of the killmails so it couldn't have been that large an issue for them. There has been 1 poster that has said he has seen this effect. More information would be greatly appreciated. 50mil reward still stands, no one has claimed it yet. De-sync issue exists, CCP knows about it, CCP seems to know what is causing it, CCP is working on a fix... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=549542 EDIT: It's getting fixed next week aparently... Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.17 11:07:00 - [127] Top class thread, the boys were on form, I've taught them well it seems, even jarack managed to *** a good one. I think you can summarise that:- - No, we dont hax or sploit. - We've had it happen to us. - We'd have killed you anyway but most certainly would have taken losses, of that i have no doubt, so don't feel too bad. - We love taking the **. - Plim is a moron. Plim: I was driven to absolute idiocy by CCP
Fedaykinn Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.17 15:51:00 - [128] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 17/07/2007 15:52:01 This is ineteresting actually, because when I was in klepto not too long ago we had a gate camp in Rancer, our scout reported 2 haulers incoming, so we all gear up and get ready. Then as they jump through the entire Gang misses the ships none of us could even lock them. And when they warped off it showed them like 40 au's away from the gate. And this happned exactly as the haulers jumped in. And the enitre gang was affected at exactly the same time. Then a few days later the same people in the same haulers jump through to us again and you guessed it same problem. It seemed to be way too much of a coincidence The wierd thing was it cant have been a desync because the overview was still updating. Just none of us could lock or move or anything. Strangest thing ive ever seen so far. And it seems the same things are happening to other people
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.17 16:55:00 - [129] The Uni's fleet battle was a day or two after the patch I believe. About 1/2 the petitions did get reimbursed after the second go round, all were intially denied I think, until I told them to point out that on one side you have our ships, not shooting and just sitting ducks and the logs will show no firing and the other side you have an entire fleet moving and shooting. The server logs should show no actual commands coming from our ships. We have experienced a similiar effect now without the bubble, though it was just before the server crashed, which I guess was lucky since as it came up we were able to get our fleet out before any response to our presence was formed.
Ghost Reaper Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.17 17:01:00 - [130] god dame it, they stole our new cloak fleet module, guess we'll have to use the desync and lag modules gr

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