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The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:18:00 -
[31]
There would be no point to cloaking then, would there? He is not exploiting, griefing maybe. Find a way to kill him, move to another system or just keep whining so CCP will come and save your lazy un-creative self.
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Xiaodown
Lyran Procurement
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Posted - 2007.07.15 00:58:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: firepup82
Whine, whine, and whine. You apparently dont have the skills or you would know that a bigger ship with a cloak just fitted, not even activated has its lock time gimped so bad that a fricken hauler or anything else has time to run if aligned. Its the ops fault or his buddies that they cant get away or pop the cloaker. Op.....find smarter buddies.
Completely agree *golf clap*.
What little credit I will give to the Original Poster is this: While I will say cloaking is a perfectly reasonable thing to do to annoy your enemies or targets, and while the OP should react better / faster / with friends, it *is* a little ridiculous that someone who is not even at the computer could force a group of people to have to adapt their tactics for the likelyhood of an attack by an unseen enemy.
In order to instill fear in your opponents, you should at least have to be *at* the computer. Staying AFK in a system, cloaked, for days, while you're at work / sleeping / doing my mother / whatever, you accomplish essentially the same thing as if you were at the keyboard - which is a little dumb.
So, if there were to be a cloaking nerf, I think it should be designed to weed out *that* activity.
Ideas I like:
1.) An "idle timer" on your show info - some indicator that the game hasn't accepted any input from you in the past hour or whatever. Probably easy to get around, though, with a mouse wiggling program.
2.) fuel for cloaking modules - this I think is the best bet. Make the fuel cheap and very small - 0.5 m3 - and make the cloak consume 1 every minute.
Cloaking fuel makes sense - the Pilgrim for instance needs no ammo (uses drones and nos), so even if a pilgrim pilot fills his entire cargo of 315 m3 with fuel, he will be able to cloak for about 10 hours. This certainly still gives him an advantage for PVP, but it does mean he can't go AFK for most of a week - even if he had anchored a GSC near by, he would still have to be online once every 10 hours minimum to refil. People who need ammo will have to be online more often.
Basically, cloaking is a part of PVP. Accept that, get over it, change your tactics, stop getting ganked by some lame loser. On the other hand, going to work and flipping burgers in-real-life should not be part of EVE in-game PVP. Any nerf should address this.
Being able to find ships while cloaked on the scanner is not the answer, by the way. Cloaking is a viable tactic, and active PVP in ships that cloak is a vital part of eve. In fact, it's some of the only solo combat left. Stopping AFK cloaking *is* the answer.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:23:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/07/2007 01:25:05
nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf
Im personally gutted you cant mindlessly mine without putting some thought into it
SKUNK
EDIT If they ever put fuel constraints, or 10 hour afk timers in Im gonna get a cloaked badger full of fuel sit in your system and come back ever 10 hours with my recon refuel from my badger then recloak.
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:25:00 -
[34]
I will try and clarify my Alliance Fellow's posistion.
Eve is changing a great deal. One of the changes it that alliances are getting much more focused in small areas. Whereas we had 3,000 ASCN members spread across 3 REGIONS we now have 800 member alliances focused in one single constelation.
Overall the universe is getting less spread out, more focused in small areas as people are learning that 1 system can support a lot more people if used wisely.
A backblow of this is that one ship, cloaked, in one system can cause a lot more havok.
Whats going on here is that one very smart cloaker is in a central system. He knows his business with his ship, thats for sure. He is there approximatly 20 hours a day. He logs in about 2 hours after DT and then doesnt log out untill DT kicks him off. Once in a while he has a period of activity about 30 mins long. He will go from belt to belt, looking for someone engaged with NPC Rats, then wait for the right moment and uncloak and kill him. Then he warps back to his safespot, cloaks and goes inactive for a few hours. He will have these activity bursts anywhere between 4 and 12 times a day.
The issue is that he can afk in 100% safety with his safe spot and a cloak.
No amount of firepower can stop him when he sits in that safespot. No amount of teamwork, coordination, planning or space superiority can threaten him while he sits there. There is no way to discover if he is stalking ships in belts, or out watching a movie.
I think this is the heart of the issue - there is no counter to this. Is it reasonable to say "Be in gangs, 100% of the time". I don't think it is. I think there should be some counter to cloak. It should require an investment greater than or equal to that of the cloak.
My ideal solution would be a Sov 4 POS device that simply makes cloaks non-functional in a system. But then again Im not a game developer, I think perhaps that I cant correctly gauge the impact.
But in the end, there needs to be a way for people to counter this tactic. The tactic of going idle / afk while cloaked in hostile space in 100% safety needs to end.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:27:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Montaire
I will try and clarify my Alliance Fellow's posistion.
Eve is changing a great deal. One of the changes it that alliances are getting much more focused in small areas. Whereas we had 3,000 ASCN members spread across 3 REGIONS we now have 800 member alliances focused in one single constelation.
Overall the universe is getting less spread out, more focused in small areas as people are learning that 1 system can support a lot more people if used wisely.
A backblow of this is that one ship, cloaked, in one system can cause a lot more havok.
Whats going on here is that one very smart cloaker is in a central system. He knows his business with his ship, thats for sure. He is there approximatly 20 hours a day. He logs in about 2 hours after DT and then doesnt log out untill DT kicks him off. Once in a while he has a period of activity about 30 mins long. He will go from belt to belt, looking for someone engaged with NPC Rats, then wait for the right moment and uncloak and kill him. Then he warps back to his safespot, cloaks and goes inactive for a few hours. He will have these activity bursts anywhere between 4 and 12 times a day.
The issue is that he can afk in 100% safety with his safe spot and a cloak.
No amount of firepower can stop him when he sits in that safespot. No amount of teamwork, coordination, planning or space superiority can threaten him while he sits there. There is no way to discover if he is stalking ships in belts, or out watching a movie.
I think this is the heart of the issue - there is no counter to this. Is it reasonable to say "Be in gangs, 100% of the time". I don't think it is. I think there should be some counter to cloak. It should require an investment greater than or equal to that of the cloak.
My ideal solution would be a Sov 4 POS device that simply makes cloaks non-functional in a system. But then again Im not a game developer, I think perhaps that I cant correctly gauge the impact.
But in the end, there needs to be a way for people to counter this tactic. The tactic of going idle / afk while cloaked in hostile space in 100% safety needs to end.
Simple answer MOve to empire.
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:37:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Montaire on 15/07/2007 01:37:21
Originally by: Le Skunk
Simple answer MOve to empire.
SKUNK
Im not sure that moving 600 people to empire because a station bearing central system is bieng stalked is, shall we say a proportionate response.
I'm trying to put forth a logical, reasoned argument. I could get all 600 people in local looking for him, and he could go out for ice cream safe in the knowledge he is completely invulnerable.
That does not seem to be somthing we should call "Balanced"
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Elvarien
Caldari
Legion of Corpses
Federation Of united Corps
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:47:00 -
[37]
OH NOEZ SOMEONE SACRIFICED A HIGH SLOT TO BE INVISIBLE !!!!!!!oneoneone
..yah gues what you outgun him 1 to 1 .. 1 dominix and an inty can scan out a grid very damn fast [I know I`ve been found that way occasionaly in my manticore.]
if you lack those probe him out ...if you lack those ... bleh just kill him he`s a highslot weaker then you are especialy if you know what hes flying in.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 01:48:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Montaire
Edited by: Montaire on 15/07/2007 01:37:21
Originally by: Le Skunk
Simple answer MOve to empire.
SKUNK
Im not sure that moving 600 people to empire because a station bearing central system is bieng stalked is, shall we say a proportionate response.
I'm trying to put forth a logical, reasoned argument. I could get all 600 people in local looking for him, and he could go out for ice cream safe in the knowledge he is completely invulnerable.
That does not seem to be somthing we should call "Balanced"
did you just skip all the replies that told you to move over a system or fly in gangs?
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:00:00 -
[39]
Originally by: SiJira
did you just skip all the replies that told you to move over a system or fly in gangs?
No, but as I said, EVE is much more concentrated.
This is an Alliance Capital, with a Station in system. Moving one system over would be fine if we could move infrastructure with us.
And I agree, a Domi + Inty are really good scanners. But that only works when he uncloaks. For about 5 mins every 6 hours. For the rest of the time there is no way to know if he is AFK or activly hunting.
Fly in gangs 100% of the time ? ALL DAY, EVERY DAY ?
Maybe we will have to agree to disagree. But I do think that there is a problem with the system when one person can excercize such tactics with, and I emphasize COMPLETE IMMUNITY
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:03:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Elvarien
OH NOEZ SOMEONE SACRIFICED A HIGH SLOT TO BE INVISIBLE !!!!!!!oneoneone
..yah gues what you outgun him 1 to 1 .. 1 dominix and an inty can scan out a grid very damn fast [I know I`ve been found that way occasionaly in my manticore.]
if you lack those probe him out ...if you lack those ... bleh just kill him he`s a highslot weaker then you are especialy if you know what hes flying in.
You cant probe him out, he's cloaked.
You cant kill him, or target him for that matter, he's cloaked.
Perhaps we are coming from different perspectives, since the alliance I am in holds space. I feel that for such a large investment we should be able to stop tactics like this.
And remember, hes not invincible, he is INVULNERABLE - quite a distinction
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Chucky
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:16:00 -
[41]
It's a lame form of play that 90% people playing do not enjoy. After investing billions in outposts and towers to get operations interrupted by a few low skilled peons with cloaks and a huge supply of child **** needs to be changed
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:20:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: SiJira
did you just skip all the replies that told you to move over a system or fly in gangs?
No, but as I said, EVE is much more concentrated.
This is an Alliance Capital, with a Station in system. Moving one system over would be fine if we could move infrastructure with us.
And I agree, a Domi + Inty are really good scanners. But that only works when he uncloaks. For about 5 mins every 6 hours. For the rest of the time there is no way to know if he is AFK or activly hunting.
Fly in gangs 100% of the time ? ALL DAY, EVERY DAY ?
Maybe we will have to agree to disagree. But I do think that there is a problem with the system when one person can excercize such tactics with, and I emphasize COMPLETE IMMUNITY
All day everyday? what, does this guy not sleep? on the other hand, do you not sleep? how many of you play 24/7 that requires you to be in a gang 24/7?
Your overreacting, deal with it. Bait him, SB him out. work out when he is afk and when he's prowling.
Also what ship is he flying? Its been asked several times already and you havent answered that. Could it be your exaggerating the impact as well?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:22:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Chucky
It's a lame form of play that 90% people playing do not enjoy. After investing billions in outposts and towers to get operations interrupted by a few low skilled peons with cloaks and a huge supply of child **** needs to be changed
I think its great that the isk rich, bully boy aliiances can still suffer some minor irritation from a lone player.
I dont think its great that even with their billions and 800 players and massive infrastructure; they cant put up with the odd ratter being killed without fleeing to the forums
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:27:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Asmosis
All day everyday? what, does this guy not sleep? on the other hand, do you not sleep? how many of you play 24/7 that requires you to be in a gang 24/7?
Your overreacting, deal with it. Bait him, SB him out. work out when he is afk and when he's prowling.
Also what ship is he flying? Its been asked several times already and you havent answered that. Could it be your exaggerating the impact as well?
He is flying a damping Lachesis or Arazu, Im not 100% certian which. He usually waits till he can catch a hauler, or a battleship thats at its lowest point in a rat fight to pounce.
However it is literally all day every day. He logs in about 2 hours after DT and doesnt leave untill downtime kicks him off. We've looked at the kills, while there is a general pattern of uptime, there are many, many points off the average as well.
We're pretty sure he is a US Timezone college student on summer classes. He gets up early, logs in and immediatly cloaks and goes afk. Then he comes back and forth a lot during the day, bursting for a few mins of activity. In the US afternoon time zone we get a lot of activity usually. Then sporadic activity in the late evening, early AM.
We're also pretty sure he's not the main character. Probably an alt on a seperate account built for this purpose. His main is probably toodleing around empire or plexing or ratting or pvping somewhere else while this one is minimized.
I have no problem with his hit and run or harassment tactics. Im really okay with that, its a valid tactic and three are known counters.
Its his ability to afk, in system with zero likelyhood of destruction.
We've tried baiting him, but without knowing if he is actually there or just logged in idling its a dicey proposition. You could litteraly waste hours trying to bait him and he's out on a date with his girlfriend and you have no way of knowing it.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:28:00 -
[45]
Edited by: SiJira on 15/07/2007 02:30:46
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: SiJira
did you just skip all the replies that told you to move over a system or fly in gangs?
No, but as I said, EVE is much more concentrated.
This is an Alliance Capital, with a Station in system. Moving one system over would be fine if we could move infrastructure with us.
And I agree, a Domi + Inty are really good scanners. But that only works when he uncloaks. For about 5 mins every 6 hours. For the rest of the time there is no way to know if he is AFK or activly hunting.
Fly in gangs 100% of the time ? ALL DAY, EVERY DAY ?
Maybe we will have to agree to disagree. But I do think that there is a problem with the system when one person can excercize such tactics with, and I emphasize COMPLETE IMMUNITY
if you cant afford to fly in a ship that can beat him or in the case of more carebear activities cant afford to have a friend fly in a ship that can beat him - then you most definitely dont deserve to be an alliance
- since when is 0.0 - 0.0 the land where you can fly around with no defenses or offensive capabilities and make lots more isk then empire -
i thought it was more like - 0.0 the free lands with no concord intervention where dangers lurk everywhere - risk vs reward
you know what the cloakers risk is? getting raped when he logs on cause he doesnt know if that lone miner has an entire gang of cloakers iwthin 50km of him - you did say you are in an alliance capital? there must always be at least 10 alliance members in local right? how will this guy - being afk 20 hours of the day mind you - know if most of those guys are cloakers waiting for him to uncloak near your defenseless ship? he should not be able to get back in once you kill him once for quite a few many weeks - you are a big bad alliance and your capital should be best protected right?
an alliance that has single defenseless ships flying around - they just dont make them like they used to
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:30:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Le Skunk
I think its great that the isk rich, bully boy aliiances can still suffer some minor irritation from a lone player.
I dont think its great that even with their billions and 800 players and massive infrastructure; they cant put up with the odd ratter being killed without fleeing to the forums
SKUNK
We have to work for our isk, just like you. In fact I'd imagine you and I are pretty darn similar people.
Not all 0.0 alliance are "Bully Boy" or even close. I've been part of groups where all they wanted was a Market Simulator, and they went to 0.0 just so they could increase margins on an arbitrary spreadsheet.
I think perhaps we just have to agree that we disagree here. I dont think that one person should be able to idle in 100% safety in someone else's sovrign held space.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:31:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/07/2007 02:32:57
Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/07/2007 02:31:44
Originally by: Montaire
Its his ability to afk, in system with zero likelyhood of destruction.
Rat in pairs then
Fit sensor boosters to beat the lach/arazu.
If your ratting you should have a bunch of mid slots free, go out with 4 sensor boosters on and instapop the guy, those things die in seconds.
You in 0.0 it not supposed to be civilised.
SKUNK
Originally by: Fink Angel
They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: SiJira if you cant afford to fly in a ship that can beat him or in the case of more carebear activities cant afford to have a friend fly in a ship that can beat him - then you most definitely dont deserve to be an alliance
- since when is 0.0 - 0.0 the land where you can fly around with no defenses or offensive capabilities and make lots more isk then empire -
i thought it was more like - 0.0 the free lands with no concord intervention where dangers lurk everywhere
an alliance that has single defenseless ships flying around - they just dont make them like they used to[/quote
I could have a fleet of 18 carriers soley dedicated to tracking him down. But they would never be able to do it, because even though he is in system, he is safespot-cloaked.
But his mere presence in system is a threat that has to be honored.
To emphasize : I have no problems with cloak hit and run tactics.
What I DO have a problem with is /afk immunity that cloaking devices give.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:36:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Rat in pairs then
Fit sensor boosters to beat the lach/arazu.
If your ratting you should have a bunch of mid slots free, go out with 4 sensor boosters on and instapop the guy, those things die in seconds.
You in 0.0 it not supposed to be civilised.
SKUNK
Good suggestions all. I dont much care if its "Civilized" out here, your right, its 0.0 and supposed to be dangerous.
So I understand, you have no problems at all with someone bieng able to be AFK and 100% immune from any form of risk of detection, attack or harm as long as they are willing to sacrifice one high slot ?
You belive that to be an acceptable trade off ?
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Trak Cranker
Serenity Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:38:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Chucky
It's a lame form of play that 90% people playing do not enjoy. After investing billions in outposts and towers to get operations interrupted by a few low skilled peons with cloaks and a huge supply of child **** needs to be changed
I think its great that the isk rich, bully boy aliiances can still suffer some minor irritation from a lone player.
The problem in these cases is that a single player can enforce cost on a spaceholding entity while being at work, watching a movie or having slippery sex with the latex loving granny from next door.
I simply cannot comprehend anyone rationalising that he should be able to impose this kind of obstruction, while being afk for hours.
I haven't seen anyone here advocate that a cloaker shouldn't be able to do what this type of player is doing - when he is at the keyboard.
All the pointers to how you might get rid of him are very fine and prob correct. But remember it is measures you are asking a large group of people to take on a constant basis against someone that might put as little as 0 minutes into forcing this, over the time he is logged in.
The relation between effort and gain is completely out of sync on this issue.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:42:00 -
[51]
the people that dont like cloakers post the same nonsense that would grant them 100% immunity
i guess ill be the one to break it to you guys
full sovereignty does not mean 0.0 carebear loveland
it means you need to keep it up to maintain it
all the alliances that can deal and do deal with these threats all the time are laughing at you
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p3stil3nce
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:44:00 -
[52]
being ganged 100% of the time is NOT unreasonable. It's 0.0 space.
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:44:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Trak Cranker
The problem in these cases is that a single player can enforce cost on a spaceholding entity while being at work, watching a movie or having slippery sex with the latex loving granny from next door.
I simply cannot comprehend anyone rationalising that he should be able to impose this kind of obstruction, while being afk for hours.
I haven't seen anyone here advocate that a cloaker shouldn't be able to do what this type of player is doing - when he is at the keyboard.
All the pointers to how you might get rid of him are very fine and prob correct. But remember it is measures you are asking a large group of people to take on a constant basis against someone that might put as little as 0 minutes into forcing this, over the time he is logged in.
The relation between effort and gain is completely out of sync on this issue.
Thats putting it better than I did :~)
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p3stil3nce
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:50:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Montaire
Originally by: Trak Cranker
The problem in these cases is that a single player can enforce cost on a spaceholding entity while being at work, watching a movie or having slippery sex with the latex loving granny from next door.
I simply cannot comprehend anyone rationalising that he should be able to impose this kind of obstruction, while being afk for hours.
I haven't seen anyone here advocate that a cloaker shouldn't be able to do what this type of player is doing - when he is at the keyboard.
All the pointers to how you might get rid of him are very fine and prob correct. But remember it is measures you are asking a large group of people to take on a constant basis against someone that might put as little as 0 minutes into forcing this, over the time he is logged in.
The relation between effort and gain is completely out of sync on this issue.
Thats putting it better than I did :~)
so, now everyone has to engage in large scale conventional warfare in Eve? Just sounds like guerrilla tactics.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:59:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 15/07/2007 02:58:40
I hereby petition that all of us with cloaks go to their system and join this mans blockade
he is a hero to solo'ers everywhere
he has single handedly brought and entire system to a screaching hault and have an entire alliance quaking in their boots and screaming nerf
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:59:00 -
[56]
Originally by: p3stil3nce
being ganged 100% of the time is NOT unreasonable. It's 0.0 space.
Thats putting it better than I did :~)
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 02:59:00 -
[57]
Originally by: p3stil3nce
so, now everyone has to engage in large scale conventional warfare in Eve? Just sounds like guerrilla tactics.
So many people are missing the KEY part here.
He is not at his keyboard. He's not near his computer. He is out washing his car.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.15 03:02:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 15/07/2007 02:58:40
I hereby petition that all of us with cloaks go to their system and join this mans blockade
he is a hero to solo'ers everywhere
he has single handedly brought and entire system to a screaching hault and have an entire alliance quaking in their boots and screaming nerf
i agree with a minmatar
is this the end of the world?
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firepup82
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 03:05:00 -
[59]
 While I dont agree with him just sitting there all day and popping in to say hi to the ratters at random, he is actually giving you a chance to get him. Sounds like he is begging for it. I bet if you teach your pilots to align to a safe you will cut your losses at least 1/2 to 3/4. And there are more than a few ways to skin a cat. Be creative. Did you say there are 600 of you? Against one. I bet you guys can take him. 
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Montaire
Lacedaemon.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 03:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 15/07/2007 02:58:40
I hereby petition that all of us with cloaks go to their system and join this mans blockade
he is a hero to solo'ers everywhere
he has single handedly brought and entire system to a screaching hault and have an entire alliance quaking in their boots and screaming nerf
i agree with a minmatar
is this the end of the world?
I'd hardly say we are quaking in our boots. Or screaming NERF!
And the fact that I think its a cheap tactic doesnt mean Im not already fitting an alt to do exactly this in someone elses space. Belive me, Im only fair-minded on the boards.
Its ironic, though. The strongest disagreement is coming from people who are either in NPC corps or 1 man alt corps.
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