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shadowzz
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:22:00 -
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ok, i dont mind getting scrammed, but is it just me or does the game offer NO HELP at all figuring out how the hell has scrambled you?
please educate me, cause if not, i need to rethink missioning.
what with the massive lag, and now another ship loss, i am about done, put a fork in me.
anyone got any decent advise?
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IDesert FoxI
Unknown-Heroes
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:25:00 -
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I'm afraid atm it is just a case of learning which ones do it and popping them first. By general rule of thumb, I tend to pop any 30k frigate as soon as it agros me baecause they usually have the ability to scramble.
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shadowzz
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:27:00 -
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thanks for your reply.
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Divideby0
Gallente
Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:28:00 -
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Any condition which has been applied to you and has a visual signature - webber rings, or the glow of a scramble, nos beam, etc - is usually reflected on both the target and aggressor ship.
If its a mission its usually (but not always) an interceptor-type ship.
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Chris2746
Gallente
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:37:00 -
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If you look really carefully you can see a beam of blue rings heading towards your ship from the scrambling ship. its usually on the frigate classes so look at them first.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Divideby0
....webber rings, or the glow of a scramble....
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Divideby0
Any condition which has been applied to you and has a visual signature - webber rings, or the glow of a scramble, nos beam, etc - is usually reflected on both the target and aggressor ship.
If its a mission its usually (but not always) an interceptor-type ship.
if you have effects turned off in order to improve fps...your tooltip doesnt help in the least.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2007.07.16 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: IDesert FoxI
By general rule of thumb, I tend to pop any 30k frigate as soon as it agros me baecause they usually have the ability to scramble.
Word. These always either have the ability to web or scramble to my experience.
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Terghon Tu
Amarr
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.07.16 17:24:00 -
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Unfortunately the graphic effect also doesn't always work. I find that on big ships (battleships) like my Abaddon, most of the graphics effects either don't show or are too small to be seen (washed out by missile explosions usually). This includes scrambling and NOSing, and most of the time webbing.
I really wish that CCP would add in some indicators to show what ECM is hitting you. Tracking disrupt, damping, painting and target jamming all show the "Misc" with a countdown. Warp scramble, web, and NOS don't show anything on the UI.
As for WHO is doing it, it'll almost always be an "elite" type frigate. "Strain" for rogue drones, "Loyal" for Sansha/Centi, etc. If you have your log open, there SHOULD be a message that'll flip by as well (it disappeared for a while, but I think it's fixed now). It's hard to see, but if it's there it does say what type of ship: "Strain Decimator has started trying to warp scramble..."
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Mikal Drey
Angels and Demons
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Posted - 2007.07.16 18:42:00 -
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hey hey
Both the graphical effect and the frigate rule helps.
Id also like to add that the scrambling ship never changes. Try to remmeber each ship that cause the scram. yeah yeah i know yourhaving trouble finding the initail ship but you can eliminate each ship as you pop them.
Could you also recheck your logs because im 99.9% shure that the first message you will get is that (ship X) is trying to warp scramble you.
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:04:00 -
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I just always shoot all frigates first.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.16 22:02:00 -
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It's really quite ridiculous that the UI doesn't have icons to show when you are under the influence of any EWar effect.
Painters, Webs, Scramblers, Tracking Disrupters, Damps, ECM, Nos...all of it. Icons, indicator lights, WHATEVER. I mean, this is technology that current real life military vehicles possess. It's never made any sense at all to me that we have to guess based on some glow around our ship what we are being hit with.
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Manaswa
Minmatar
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Manaswa on 16/07/2007 23:44:48
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
It's really quite ridiculous that the UI doesn't have icons to show when you are under the influence of any EWar effect.
Painters, Webs, Scramblers, Tracking Disrupters, Damps, ECM, Nos...all of it. Icons, indicator lights, WHATEVER. I mean, this is technology that current real life military vehicles possess. It's never made any sense at all to me that we have to guess based on some glow around our ship what we are being hit with.
Right on. I was on my way to work this morning and I was running late so I put a little extra oomph into the gas if you know what I mean. Next thing I know a couple cops on motorcycles are riding circles around me and webbing my 1999 Dodge Caravan.
Boy was I ****ed but I couldn't tell which of the cops was webbing me. I kicked on the AB and tried to nos but the bastards kept out of nos range and I got my Caravan ganked. It cost me 120 million isk and is totally imba in my opinion. CCP plzz take a look at this. (preferably before my court date)
EDIT: Dear OP, kill frigs first from largest bounty to smallest. T2 lt drones kill them quickly.
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr
Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.16 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
It's really quite ridiculous that the UI doesn't have icons to show when you are under the influence of any EWar effect.
Painters, Webs, Scramblers, Tracking Disrupters, Damps, ECM, Nos...all of it. Icons, indicator lights, WHATEVER. I mean, this is technology that current real life military vehicles possess. It's never made any sense at all to me that we have to guess based on some glow around our ship what we are being hit with.
At a guess I'd say that that's half the point. Not knowing what you're being hit with is what makes EW so effective, especially if it fails to have an effect-you think someone's trying to jam you but failing when they're actually disrupting your tracking, for example. The only way to tell for sure is to compare your actual numbers with your theoretical numbers, which you can rarely do on the fly.
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:54:00 -
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that and the you are being warp scrambled usually doesn't pop up because you are getting hit by a bunch of turrets/missiles
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.17 00:59:00 -
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Quote:
Right on. I was on my way to work this morning and I was running late so I put a little extra oomph into the gas if you know what I mean. Next thing I know a couple cops on motorcycles are riding circles around me and webbing my 1999 Dodge Caravan.
You just go ahead and point out to me which military organization utilizes minivans in its arsenal, and I might begin to consider you as something besides a worthless troll with no reading comprehension.
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Doctor Serious
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Posted - 2007.07.17 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: shadowzz
ok, i dont mind getting scrammed, but is it just me or does the game offer NO HELP at all figuring out how the hell has scrambled you?
please educate me, cause if not, i need to rethink missioning.
what with the massive lag, and now another ship loss, i am about done, put a fork in me.
anyone got any decent advise?
i would hope my ship would target the culprit back. then select one target, hit the eye overview button, and look for a warp scrambler effect pointed at you. then move on to the next guy you have targeted.
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Ce Lau
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:18:00 -
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Signed for the need of a warp scrambler identifier.
I lost my Raven the other day when trying to warp out at 10% shields only to find some unidentified git was scrambling my behind.
It's definitely taken the fun out of lvl4's for me.
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Stelteck
Minmatar
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.22 11:59:00 -
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Signed
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Section XIII
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.22 17:31:00 -
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I just made sure not to rush into L4 missions. I like webbing and scrambling rats because it means they won't be doing anything else to annoy me. When your ship is properly set up and flown you don't need to go anywhere anyway 
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.07.22 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
Quote:
Right on. I was on my way to work this morning and I was running late so I put a little extra oomph into the gas if you know what I mean. Next thing I know a couple cops on motorcycles are riding circles around me and webbing my 1999 Dodge Caravan.
You just go ahead and point out to me which military organization utilizes minivans in its arsenal, and I might begin to consider you as something besides a worthless troll with no reading comprehension.
Come on that was funny.
BTW, i think that the Police in Eastern Europe countries are classed as para-militarizes and they do use civilian automobiles.
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar
The Michigan Men
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Posted - 2007.07.22 22:47:00 -
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A couple of points
1) I have lost about 3 Ravens since the introduction of scrambling into level 4 missions. Like you all, I tried to pop the frigates first to kill the scrambler but to my horror I found out that some angel cruisers also scramble you...and not all of them are elite cruisers either. So yeah. Point 1 - cruisers scramble too
2) Losing ships is level 4 missions is a game dynamic that CCP wanted. This is one reason they are happy with the current system. From what I see level 4 missions require stronger tanks and higher skill levels for them all to be soloable. CCP have tried to make it so that there is a bit more team play in mission rather than pure solo. So point 2 is CCP want level 4's to be risky.
So given those points, you are really left with 2 options.
1) Tank your ship better. Eg use the Mission Raven (TM) active tank setup:
High: 6xArbalest Cruise launchers
Mid: Shield Boost Amp, XL Shield Booster, Lrg Cap Booster with CB 800, 3 rat specific shield hardeners
Low: 2-3 Ballistic Control Systems, 2-3 Power DIagnostic Systems, CPU if needed.
Rigs: 3x Cap Control Circuit I
2) Do the harder missions in Group with a Support ship helping with repair/cap and/or a couple of frig killers along so that you can deal with cruisers to free you from the scram.
If you don't know a mission well, feel free to do recon on it in a cheap expendable frigate. Also, research the mission in Eve-O and you will find that there are people out there who keep web sites full of updated mission guides. Really this is a spoiler for the game and losing a couple of ships is part of the fun. It helps to keep you on your toes and keeps mission running a little bit more 'real' and immersive. You have to remember this IS a game and not just a means to earn ISK.
Mik
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Slayton Ford
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.07.23 02:36:00 -
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I have yet to loose a raven in a level 4. The worst though was warping out in 50% structure in a Sansha mission. But what was the one thing that saved me?
Damage Control II
60% structure resists go along way....
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Elite Marksman
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:23:00 -
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www.eveinfo.com
Check the npc ship & mission db there. Remember the names of any scramming rats you may encounter and pop them ASAP.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: shadowzz
ok, i dont mind getting scrammed, but is it just me or does the game offer NO HELP at all figuring out how the hell has scrambled you?
please educate me, cause if not, i need to rethink missioning.
what with the massive lag, and now another ship loss, i am about done, put a fork in me.
anyone got any decent advise?
in misssions u warp in focus soley on frigs knock them out then warp out if needed to regroup then in again and take out cruisers and bs's dont need much more.
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Raging Taurus
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:51:00 -
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I have followed the frig rule for months...however, in some lvl 4 missions, certain frigs have been (i think after Revelations patch) flagged with a spawn which will appear as soon as it is killed. Since such groups would include a handful of cruisers and frigs (including more scramblers) and 2-3 BS, applying the frig rule can turn the mission into near mission impossible to complete, at least solo.
infact I lost two ships because of that and I also had to turn down these missions simply because so many more BSs and cruisers would have spawned by the time i got shot down, that i would always get into structure before even managing to kill 1 rat, and was forced to warp out (assumin i was not scrambled). I ended up in a no-win situation a couple of times and had to suffer the standling loss for turning the missions down.
However, after all, i guess it's CCP's way to ensure that lvl 4 missions do not end up being a source for easy money
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford
I have yet to loose a raven in a level 4. The worst though was warping out in 50% structure in a Sansha mission. But what was the one thing that saved me?
Damage Control II
60% structure resists go along way....
And then you realize that with another power diag II instead of the DCU II, you'd have more cap to run a few more booster cycles, more shield and faster natural recharge, and overall you'd have fared better.
DCU II are very good for pvp, but for pve there is more usefull modules...
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Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:04:00 -
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A quick rule of thumb that works for me is popping any frigates that agro you before the bigger fish.
Only the frigates scramble. Once you've killed all the frigates, you can warp safely.
-Karl
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 23/07/2007 15:23:18
I kill the damage dealers first.
I didn't get the scrambling message since using a good permatank, because I never klicked warp anyways.
That's the trick.
Imho it's totally ridiculous to kill the frigs first as they deal the smallest amount of damage.
If you kill the big stuff first you don't need to fear scramblers.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Slayton Ford
I have yet to loose a raven in a level 4. The worst though was warping out in 50% structure in a Sansha mission. But what was the one thing that saved me?
Damage Control II
60% structure resists go along way....
And then you realize that with another power diag II instead of the DCU II, you'd have more cap to run a few more booster cycles, more shield and faster natural recharge, and overall you'd have fared better.
DCU II are very good for pvp, but for pve there is more usefull modules...
DCU IIs are awesome for armor tanks, but for shield tanking there are more useful modules. The SPR II or PDU II will almost always be better for a shield tank.
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