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Paigan Amarr Thirdwave	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Paigan on 18/07/2007 19:18:24 No, really. I've achieved, done and seen everything (in principle) that was interesting to achieve, do and see for me. I've played eve for 3 years now (though the first year with a 10 month break was pretty much squandered, isk and skill wise). From my current point of view, eve consists of two parts: static stuff (like WoW & Co) and and well meant but badly done unplayable other stuff (like 0.0). First of all: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Skills? With 33mil SP, i have and can all i want as a combat char. Including Dread, Carrier (MS, too, in theory), T2 Frigs, Hac/Recon, all ships and weapons up to BS (except scrapmetal BS) and of course a maxed out Raven for high sec mission whoring that is long-term-all-in-all more lucrative than most things one can do in low sec or 0.0. Rest would be simply unneeded (like Amarr Carrier after having Caldari Carrier) and/or only EPEEN enlargement skills (like Warhead Upgrades V), but for that i lack the required instinctive drives (sorry, CCP). Missions? Thousands of them. Sometimes fun, most of the time boringly repetitive and easy, though. Level5 missions? Done them on sisi. "Ah, NPC carriers. Nice. Ah, neutralizers. Mean. Ah, fighters, nice. Ah well okay, otherwise same as always, except the ridiculous high risk vs the ridiculous low reward. Seen it. Boring. End, even before it went live." Mining? Hahaha. Considering everything (especially the long term income), even maxed out arkonor mining can't really compete to (skillfull) high sec level4 mission running. So the only reason for mining is either idealism or being pretty stupid (none of which i call my own). Or macroing of course, which i don't do either. Money? I have spare billions to burn, apart from 2 dreads (one in high sec) and loads of other stuff. I see no need or reason to grind for any more money or assets (sorry, CCP). And burning it in PvP after having to grind for it makes no sense in the current state of the game. It's just not worth the time effort if you have a life and don't have some money printing like formerly T2 BPOs or exploits to farm. Collecting? I claim this (,too) to be the ultimate Collectors-Roleplay-Mission-Ship. Everything beyond it (like X-Type and officer stuff) is so much unreasonably overpriced for only a little more performance that it's not worth killing any more real life-time for it. Except for EPEEN enlargement reasons, that i don't fall to, as said. (i know many of you big boys have a sooo MUUUCH better toy. But i don't care, read again what i wrote, plz) btw: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Cosmos? I've completely done this "WoW-Part" of eve for caldari and amarr. The other two don't interest me (roleplay wise). I tanked the 2000+ dps in Lost Love alone without support in my imba passive tanked ishtar with shields never dropping below 70%. Was fun. For a short time. Though static singleplayer stuff is not what a MMOG should be all about. (btw passive shield tanking is ridiculously overpowered because of misconceptions in basic game mechanics) Aurora? Oh yes. That sweet "You damned self-thinking bastard have smashed our 1-year-predesigned story arc. How dare you! You are BANNED!"-fake roleplay. No, thx. Really. -- This game is still in beta stage
Paigan Amarr Thirdwave	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:16:00 - [2] (damned selft-tinkered lousy forum... here's part two) Factional Warfare? Haha. Good one. That, what i was waiting for for 3 years, namely a dynamical storyline NPC world of factions battling factions and players participating in it, which was so loudly announced, was in the end - what? The same static B.S. but with just "only-faction-NPCs"-level5 instead of level4 missions. Roflmao. Shame on you. Exploration? Scanning for hours to find... crap. Crap crap and more crap and MAYBE, after days and weeks of searching something nice that gives... what? More money? Stupid. No dynamic roaming pirate fleets? No storyline relevant faction bases? RP anyone? Not even some aurora guy banning you for finding him. So what. PvP, Wars? My brother and i organised a corp of mostly noobs when we got declared war by the officially **-worshipping, petition-resistant griefer corp Chuskarl's Family. Apart from stupid solo losses from some noobs, we kicked their butts in almost every battle. This was really fun, for some weeks. Noobs with brain killing "pros" without one. PvP, Lowsec? Flying around for hours, finding 90% nothing, 8% chanceless enemies (single frigs and stuff), 1% nice fights and 1% unpredictable total loss encounters. Uhm well. It was indeed fun to sneak around in an arazu, find a prey, decloak, damp and scramble him into oblivion and then call in the fleet. But well: In the current state of the game, it's not worth to waste 99% time to eventually get one lousy battle. Because, uhm, you know: there's a life going on outside of eve. Lack of basic game design, if you ask me. PvP, 0.0? Ratting, Gate Camping, Blob wars, Capital wars? Been there, done that. Alone in a -0.80 system with 33 belts on a regular basis. Yeah, nice. Was a little fun, but also pretty fast pretty boring. Anyway, you still make more money with (right done) high sec level4 missions, taking everything into account. Gate camping, ah yes. Done that as well. Although only a couple of times. Enough to see that this can't even be called "a game" at all. Not even a time sink, i guess. Blob wars. Haha. I participated in the historical siege in D7-ZAC which crashed the node so badly that shorty afterwards oveur wrote a news item about it, iirc. Fun for one time, stupid from the second time on. Capital wars. Sure. Wait for the crawlers (BS and smaller) to secure the system. Then jump in and pump torps into POSes for 3 hours. Strategical/politcal nice. But boring as hell for a game. All in all, the PvP system in eve requires to waste HOURS over HOURS on extremely dull duties to get SOMETHING out eventually. Not what i call a game. All in all, the really genious idea of player driven territories is nothing but boring and frustrating unplayable in the way that EVE implements it. Sad, really. But no doubt a good "first step" to a REAL MMOG instead of all those WoW-like quest-driven massive-single-player-games. And of course: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Anyway Since finishing the CN-CNR, i have nothing reasonably interesting to achieve anymore in Eve, as i'm resistant both to instinctive EPEEN desires and 23/7 time killing and grinding for politcal goals. Apart from those sadly-not-worth-any-time aspects of the game, Eve has become a static, dull place for me** Best reason that's left to login is to simply use EVE as a rudimentary, yet laggy and buggy chat toy with a nice 3D background to talk to friends, help out newbies, etc. -- This game is still in beta stage
Paigan Amarr Thirdwave	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:17:00 - [3] (and here goes part 3 ... get a proper forum plz. There are even open source boards that are arund 100 times better than this here.) In addition, eve contains many things ranging from annoyingly odd and unlogic (like slot system, ship bonuses, mining system), to laughable buggy and even weak-minded conceptioned (like balance things, T2 ammo, scramblers, AMARR. Or forced time sinks!), making me, as someone who studied computer science, sick every time i see it. So after finally losing hope that CCP will ever figure out what to do to get it right, on 27th if July, before my acc expires, it's time to start Carrier V and say byebye to a game with awesome new ideas and concepts but lousy realization at many points. PS: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Ok i think now every non-idiot should have figured it out. If not, feel free to ask for it :-) -- This game is still in beta stage
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Paigan I have played through Eve \o/ Ffs, don't spoil the ending! /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lance Fighter	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:22:00 - [5] Can i have your moneys? You can keep your stuff Being a Fleet Commander and a Arbitrator pilot are the same thing - The only difference being that the Fleet Commander commands other people, and the people actually listen to him.
Dietes Marcellus	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:27:00 - [6] Well then. Aside from your slew of negative comments about how much you think this game sucks I can't think of any reason any of us should play anymore lets all quit. You must have had SOME enjoyment through all the boredom seeing as you've been playing for 3 years now.
General StarScream Gallente PLAYBOYS FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:28:00 - [7] can i have your stuff? or maybe your life
JoDirt Minmatar House of Geezer	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:28:00 - [8] Grats on getting 3 years of entertainment from a video game. Good luck to you. Sounds like you got good value.
Keeyin Farlander	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:29:00 - [9] Um... Can I have some of your stuff? lol... Good luck out there. See you back when you get the urge!
Chucky Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:29:00 - [10] How does it end? does BoB win? ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.

Kyreax Deepspace Exploration Biscuit Repair Associates	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:29:00 - [11] Nice post. Deals with frustrations honestly. I agree with 0.0 being srangely safe. There's not much happening out there, and when it does, its never balanced. Either a wtfpwn from a huge roaming gang or a lone velator not worth the time. Only thing I haven't done on your list is train for carriers and dreads, but I'm in the same boat. Even winning a couple T2 bpos was firmly disappointing because with invention, making the stuff was tiresome and unprofitable. Nothing like seeing a promising module go from 15 mil to 2 mil in 2 months. So, yep. Content like Exploration is tedious at best, and the content additions are buggy and unbalanced. Time-sinks like mining in 0.0 is still less money than lvl 4 missions, and those missions are basically risk-free if you have a proper setup. What's a miner's motivation? There is none. Maybe mining lasers could get a 25% speed bonus in 0.0 or something to make it worth the effort to go risk my butt out there for little reward. Ah well, all games have a peak, and if something isn't done soon to dramatically increase the fun for all parties, this one will be headed down the backside of the mountain soon. It's still fun sometimes though. --------------------------------------------------- It's a Templar, an Amarr Fighter used by Carriers.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:31:00 - [12] Did you know the word N00b isn't confined to people who havne't been playing long? ______________________ DubanFP> I stopped capitalizing the g in goonswarm a little while back. I find they no longer deserved the little bit of extra effort required to press the shift key.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:33:00 - [13] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 18/07/2007 19:33:13 Originally by: Dietes Marcellus You must have had SOME enjoyment through all the boredom seeing as you've been playing for 3 years now. Maybe he just has a lot of self-loathing? And my main is Salvador Sarpati. And I have been playing EVE since the 1970s, so everything I say is way more valid than anyone else.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Hammer Time.	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:35:00 - [14] I guess with all that publicity, you are finally ready to sell your character. - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Nahno	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Paigan (and here goes part 3 ... get a proper forum plz. There are even open source boards that are arund 100 times better than this here.) In addition, eve contains many things ranging from annoyingly odd and unlogic (like slot system, ship bonuses, mining system), to laughable buggy and even weak-minded conceptioned (like balance things, T2 ammo, scramblers, AMARR. Or forced time sinks!), making me, as someone who studied computer science, sick every time i see it. So after finally losing hope that CCP will ever figure out what to do to get it right, on 27th if July, before my acc expires, it's time to start Carrier V and say byebye to a game with awesome new ideas and concepts but lousy realization at many points. PS: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Ok i think now every non-idiot should have figured it out. If not, feel free to ask for it :-) You're a **** ***
Nubmart Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:44:00 - [16] Brilliant post, a well-taken ***** at this boring and bad game.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:46:00 - [17] Methinks Paigan mentions epeens too much for someone who supposedly doesn't have such concerns. But Eve is broken. Well, not broken...that would imply it actually once worked as intended. I put in a lot of effort preparing for the day when I'd finally participate in fleet battles. What did I find in interstellar war? Lag, frozen screens, crashed nodes and the pleasure of seeing my battleship get blown to smithereens while my guns blinked instead of firing. That's not what I signed up for. And my experience is in relatively small scale conflicts. I don't understand how members of the 1000+ member alliances can stand to play that way. The most playable part of Eve is the small stuff. Missions, playing the market, ratting, solo or small gang pvp. I want space opera...fleet battles...adventure! Instead, what I often get is a game where the player who can best deal with (or take advantage of) the bugs and lag will win. That's pretty sad. And what's worse is that there doesn't seem to be any reason to expect things will improve anytime soon.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Nahno Originally by: Paigan PS: No you cant have my stuff, as i prefer to keep it for when i maybe take a look at it somewhen in the future again. Oh and because i can't stand the thought that some idiot flies around with it :P Ok i think now every non-idiot should have figured it out. If not, feel free to ask for it :-) You're a **** *** Hear Hear, I concur, seconded, motion carried, bravo. the OP should just curl up into a ball on top of a building: Ill roll you off mate.... Ill prolly get snipped for the above statement, but I believe the OP is infinitely more offensive in tone, wording, and general post attitude than I could ever be. get off your high arrogant horse and go play another game, you obviously live and thrive on being a totally cynical, negative person; for SHAME! ----------------------------------------------- "Yes... I sleep with my myrmidon. It's nothing to be ashamed of!"
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:58:00 - [19] Edited by: SiJira on 18/07/2007 19:58:03 you will be back as the content is only going to come out to the nth power starting with ambulation ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Desiderious Gallente Setenta Corp Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:04:00 - [20] The only way someone can find nothing to do in eve is if that person conquered all of 0.0 space and subjugated the high sec market. No one has, and no one will do that, thus I will forever fight and play. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^ Your sig is too large. Please resize it so that it fits within 400x120. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])

Lysit Kaune Minmatar Phoenix Division The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:09:00 - [21] Yeah, I remember you, head of your alliance, when you finally became the dominant force in eve! Oh hang on...
CSFFlame GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:13:00 - [22] Grab some friends in cruisers and frigs and go out into 0.0, gank some ratters join an alliance, there's this really nice galaxy wide war going on right now.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:14:00 - [23] I read the first few lines and lolled Goodbye now, don't let the door hit u on ur way out. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Paigan I have played through Eve \o/ Ffs, don't spoil the ending! /Ki I hear the end guy is hard.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:17:00 - [25] Many valid points have been brought up. Half the reason I stick around in this game is in the hopes that it'll get better. (I'm still waiting for Factional Warfare ) The other half is flying new ships, trying new things... I suppose if I had 'done it all', I'd be taking a break too. Originally by: Paigan All in all, the PvP system in eve requires to waste HOURS over HOURS on extremely dull duties to get SOMETHING out eventually. Not what i call a game. Indeed. PvP needs some work. Being a Privateer made my dream of Eve come true, but that's over now. No longer can I log in for 15 minutes and expect to get a kill. I'm not going back to 0.0 until I have a Carrier with a blob backing me up and hours to burn (ie. not gonna happen any time soon). The F1-F8 action that is fleet warfare is boring to me.
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:18:00 - [26] Screw your stuff, I want your corpse. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:19:00 - [27] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 18/07/2007 20:19:06 You should realize that you stayed 3 years for a reason. You might want to bash the game now because you have grown sick and tired of it and it no longer serves as entertainment to you, but question is, what game would be able to keep someone interested for their lifetime? Not many games out there keep someone for 3 years even. Its really quite a accomplishment. When I quit this game, I will not post a long post about how much the game sucks. I will thank the creators for the fun times ive had during the several years Eve was the only game I played. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Mikal Drey Angels and Demons	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:31:00 - [28] hey hey Sometimes i feel exactly the same :/ Well said on some of those points. However, every time i get depressed about eve and get that quitting feeling i realise theres nothing else out there that comes close. Id also add that theres too much SoonÖ and not enough NowÖ One thing you truly got spot on . . Eve is a chat room with a game attached (which ive also said many times) but its the friends ive got in the game thats the hardest to leave behind. Fly Safe Mikal Drey
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:33:00 - [29] did the end boss drop good loot? ------
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:46:00 - [30] you find EVE boring (I realize you did not acutally use the word) but you have time to write a post like that? For your next MMO I recomend; "Watching Paint Dry." Go mine vedlspar its still and always will be entertaining (and its not broken in high-sec, low-sec, or 0.0, though you may need to contend with Chribba) - Haradgrim [-WB-] That.which.does.not.bend.breaks

Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:48:00 - [31] by the way dont say you "theoritically" fly a MS when you dont, because that experience is something really unique try it it's really oh em eFF GEEEE ------
Karunel Princeps Corp YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:53:00 - [32] Leave then. Honestly, games aren't supossed to last your entire life. If you enjoyed all there is and don't find any further reason to stay, leave, and maybe some day they'll add something that'll make you come back. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2007.07.18 20:55:00 - [33] While I can understand your issues, you seem to leave out much of what I personally find to be the most enjoyable part of Eve - doing stuff with friends and corp-mates. Hatching ingenious plans and setting them into motion. Being creative. Market warfare. Many other things. Maybe you just didn't list them as you had a lot to get off your chest. Anyway, I feel I've done a hell of a lot (not carriers and such as you have, but most of the other stuff), and I still have a lot of fun. I've played many, many other games, including mmo's and I think Eve is far and away the best one out there. That being said, if you are not having fun, you definitely should stop playing. Though, I don't understanding the need for drama and forum ranting. Kind of shows me it's much more than just a game to you.
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:08:00 - [34] After being in your pod for 3-years, I think it's time you had a break! How about The Burning Crusade for a change?! If I were the OP, I'd keep skilling up until ambulation happens. And then log back in. By then, all the graphics will be updated, factional warfare will be here (it isn't really here yet!), and you'll have had a rest. Just think how your skills will be like in a year's time!
Templer Relleg Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:12:00 - [35] I fully understand where you are comming from. Eve isnt what it used to be. Killing random noobs gets old easily. If you dont kill noobs, you get ganked by a 40 man fleet The carebear side i havent touched that much - its simply not fun.
Kash Ka Amarr Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:16:00 - [36] Edited by: Kash Ka on 18/07/2007 21:15:56 No u havent done it all, have u flown a titan yet no, have u used its doomsday device hell no, i dont think u mentioned ded space 10, or flying every flyable ship in the game, so y say u have done it all if u havent. ---------=================--------- I study the art of pew pew... boom!
Anubis Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:29:00 - [37] 3 years is that all you have played? I've been playing more than 3 years and I've just now managed to get a character I like going. I'd say I have time to go yet before I get tired of the game. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:29:00 - [38] Solo and small gang PvP is still alive and kicking no matter what people say, and I find its the best part of EvE. 10 man roaming gang of HACs vs an equal number of HYDRA battleships, with their support and carrier drones on top of that? Game on! Jumping into a gate with a buddy, going holy carp, thats a 10 man enemy gang, and getting out alive after a bit of running? Thats good stuff. Of course any game gets boring the moment you stop challenging yourself and just fly around in comfort. Then again, thats why some of us keep getting better, while other groups and players stagnate. ex-Occassus Republica <3
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:34:00 - [39] Quote: a game with awesome new ideas and concepts but lousy realization at many points. That is my feeling about EVE in a nutshell. There is nothing conceptually wrong with EVE, but the devil is in the details and here CCP have lost the plot a bit. Some things are overly complicated and just plain daft. Tech II missiles for example. Train for a 6 weeks to fire something which makes you're ship fly slower... right. And that averages out more or less the same as t1 missiles, because they either have slower flight speed and less range or faster speed but less damage. Who was the genius that came up with that setup? Oh, and then throw in faction missiles which do everything better so they instantly become redundant. Rigs: what the hell is up with these pieces of crap? Why do so many have such stupid side effects? Cap recharge bonus with a shield boost penalty? What is this, a laser guided caldari drawback? And then you have ccc rigs, with no drawbacks alltogether, making everything else in your ship (passive tanks not withstanding) work better. Most rigs are just crap and quite frankly are implemented wrong. Other things in eve are stupid too, like the flagging rules which every now and again kill gangmates because you cant help a gangmate without being in his corp... More stupid stuff? The whole t2 lottery... ok, so its dead now, but I won't forget it. Oh, and that awesome piece of work that were wrecks. Thx for making my looting last longer, because I now have to deselect wrecks as I don't salvage and they won't do it automatically like the previous can system did. I love feature downgrades! And drones, now you see them, now you don't! I don't mean the bugs, I mean that since revelations I can't focus on my own drones or fighters, all I see is a white crosshair. Then you have that ungodly clustercopulation that is undocking, which I am assuming will be resolved with the new graphic engine and stations, but it has been annoying me for 18months. I think its one of the main reasons I prefer to make isk from contract trading that hauling, despite having every single caldari industrial up to freighter. Undocking with a freighter is such joy... And I could go on and on and on... Don't get me wrong podpilots, I do love eve and will probably play for another 2 years, but if ever a game needed polish, no, if ever a game was good enough to demand polish, then EVE is that game. That said, since I started playing eve, overall the patches have made the game better, so I have high hopes for the next graphical update. As for gameplay... It might be time for a DEEP redesign CCP. Want some tips? Abandon the drawback model; Make room for small corps and individualists. The big boys want targets, the little boys want lowsec with a chance; Introduce a joust mode for high sec player vrs player dueling; Get rid of local in no-sec; Keep the asteroid fields, I don't want to have to look for where I mine, its a big enough waste of time as is; Make the economy TOTALLY player driven, it will work; Integrate eve voice for free, its not worth the extra isk; Forget about EVE tv, it will die (sorry spyro). Or make it for "free" and include in the subscription package; Forget about time sink gameplay as a concept, its crap and that's what skilltraining is for. GIVE US A SKILL PLANNER, IT WON'T KILL YOU, introduce more randomization in mission:where they correspond to a specific type but the actual mission randomizes ships,scenery, npcs and loadouts from a specific mission level catalog. Make drops correspond to npc loadouts in a more predictable way; Give us long range tractor beams (medium at 40km and large at 80km, cruiser and battleship fits) so we can have dedicated loot ships that actually save us time; Give us salvage and loot drones, for the same reason; Increase warp speeds across the board, eve does look nice as a screensaver but thats not what I wanted to subscribe; Give us better sounds, rails sound like kids toys. Ok, I'm done.
Grainsalt Free Corp	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Grainsalt on 18/07/2007 22:24:32 Everytime I get bored with eve I do some exploring... It always makes me feal better. Maybe this video will inspire you just a little.. and bring your Mojo back. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=554257 EVE is like life, you can either look at it as there is nothing really to achieve or look at it as that it is all about the living.. Anyway... ---

Something Random Gallente F.S.O.	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:49:00 - [41] Ive played 3 years too and im staying Sounds to me like you numbed your mind with missions too long, there's a crap load more to do. 0.0 is good to me, endless fleets arnt bad and i dont seem to suffer like others do on the lag front - either that or im not so sensitive to it as i do get it but am happy to live through it. I dunno. Couldnt you just leave ? did you have to say 'ive been playing 3 years and had a blast but no-one else bother as its all pointless really' and man did you say it loooooong time. Now give me your ******* stuff. All of it.
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:49:00 - [42] Heh I somewhat know what the OP is feeling like. I only log on to EVE these days to train my skills. There's one thing about EVE in general people seem to be missing: EVE might be a sandbox, but unfortunetly it's not filled with sand. It's filled with a slab of concrete, while the rest of the box is full of 'you'-the players. You're making 'the game' for CCP. PvP-only. If all the pvpers were to suddenly up and leave the game would be an empty shell of, well rubbish. It has 0 Content and depth, beyond gettign players to go shoot at each other. shrugs Yes, 4 1/2 years and still using the same single account. As someeone else said, I stick around to see the new ships that sometimes come out, (actually looking forward to the graphics upgrade, and going in-stations with avatars finally next year...maybe?) But other then that, EVE is not an MMO, it's a Frag-fest. Think Homeworld on a smaller-scale. You simply take up the role of part of your corp (gather the resources, equipment, build, shoot things, lose/win move around, and do it all again the next day) All CCP has to do is go: Hmm the players need more ways to shoot each other...you're in a way almost the game itself. If it weren't for you the Pvper, EVE would have sank long ago, or finally got some actuall content to make us feel like the EVE universe is living and breathing, not stagnant around the 'pew-pew'. All these 'chronicals' I keep reading are enjoyable, but why can't I do things like that in the game? I want to rise up the Amarr Navies ranks, not be a civy. Why did I train at thier academy if I'm not going to be earning some title and recognition like a true Amarr? Why can't I see what's going on around us, instead of what the 'pod-pilots' are shooting today? (Each other usually) Example: Here we have chaotic forces in 0.0 space, surrounding Jove Space...aren't they in the least concerened? Why are the Empires sitting back without leaders still? Isn't CONCORD getting a tad anxious since it's power-base of trying to police the Empires is basically FUBAR now? Are the Empires going to say: WTF mate, our pod-pilots are trying to outdo us? In the rush to counter-strike pew-pew, CCP is leaving the 'universe' they started us in behind. Bring it back please. Is that too much to ask?
Ahz	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:53:00 - [43] I hear you: I kind of understand where the OP is coming from. After playing for eight months I've had moments of wondering "When does the fun start?" For me a key problem is that the game too accurately simulates the work / play world. Eve is too much like a job. When it takes so much to get the ISK necessary to play people get risk adverse and begin to only enter into conflicts they can win. This leads to blobs among other unwanted behaviors. My top recommendations: A better corp recruitment system. A key part of enjoying the game is finding the right people and the right situation. I think this'll help a lot Some low-risk game environments. The internal mini-game that CCP keeps talking about, Eve-Poker, some limited arena action (maybe frigates only), will help keep the action flowing in ways that won't set you back for weeks with every loss. When the risks are lowered people will be more willing to engage Attracting a new type of player. This should be a priority. Maybe walking in stations is just the ticket. But Eve players are currently all of a type. It adds to the games "sameness" everywhere you go Bottom line is that the only way to keep the variation that will allow the game to live is to allow more diverse ways for players to interact and to attract more diverse players. CCP can't keep the game fresh on their own. It simply takes more time to write new code than it takes to play through it.
Dave White coracao ardente	Posted - 2007.07.18 23:02:00 - [44] Originally by: Joe Lappo It sounds like you had loads of fun! I hope to have as much to look back on in a few years, as well. Good luck! -Joe dude, your body! Originally by: CCP kieron Dave, that sig is freaky and funny at the same time.
Some Caldari Caldari Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa	Posted - 2007.07.19 00:31:00 - [45] Edited by: Some Caldari on 19/07/2007 00:32:41 Originally by: Splagada did the end boss drop good loot? I hear he drops tritanium, lots and lots of tritanium. Edit: on topic any game that can keep you playing for 3 years must have been doing something right. ------------ I'm a guy with a female character get over it, and for god's sake stop jerking off. It's creepy.
Aaron Mirrorsaver The Coalition Of Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.19 02:53:00 - [46] to the OP, name another game you played non stop for 3 years. to the rest of you, back to caod where you belong! -- greater love hath no man than this; that a man lay down is life for his friends. Molle- The Battle
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.07.19 02:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Paigan I have played through Eve \o/ No, you did not. BoB are still alive. Death is only the beginning...
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.07.19 03:01:00 - [48] if anyone asks my why im inactive now ill link them to this thread
Xorlev	Posted - 2007.07.19 03:04:00 - [49] If I played EVE for the game, I'd have quit long ago. It's the people that keep me in the game. That and big honkin' space guns.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.19 04:08:00 - [50] The op needs to quit life. When i get bored of eve, i play something else until after about a month i realize eve is probably better and come back to it.

Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.19 04:47:00 - [51] Originally by: Kruel Indeed. PvP needs some work. Being a Privateer made my dream of Eve come true, but that's over now. No longer can I log in for 15 minutes and expect to get a kill. The bastards! SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.07.23 14:13:00 - [52] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 23/07/2007 14:13:37 I understand what the OP is feeling and I share some of those thoughts. However, CCP are only to blame for parts of it - namely the bad technical implementation (lag, desyncs) and the boring design of PVE encounters. What matters more is the fact that PVP (from skirmishes to the strategic side of alliance warfare) is boring, repetitive, predictable - and that's because it depends so much on the players. Most people are boring, uncreative, predictable and let's be honest - that's what single-player games train us to be. We find a winning strategy and adapt, the same principle we apply to PVP in EVE. We read about nanocurses and train for them. Now in 95% of the cases you meet a Curse, you know exactly what's going to happen (player stupidity adds some variation). But the real question is, what would you change? Of course CCP could put a lot more effort into PVE encounters and make them more interesting. We'd get more/better loot and it'd take a bit longer to finish them all, but in the end you'd be where you are now. Even WoW, the king of PVE, wears out on you when you have seen 99% of the content. So what would you change in PVP? Rigs have added a bit more flexibility to ships so there's a slightly higher chance that you will meet someone with somewhat unusual fittings. this is a free post provided to you by a member of the EVE community.
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 15:08:00 - [53] Paigan my good man, awesome! Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.23 15:17:00 - [54] So er...in summary; "I played this game for 3 years and I think it's mostly rubbish!" I guess you can't be accused of reaching a snap decision..... C. - sig designer - eve mail
VengerZap Concealed Judgement	Posted - 2007.07.23 15:53:00 - [55] Couldn't have put it better.
Jet Savage	Posted - 2007.07.23 16:02:00 - [56] What other cyber game is better? ........................................ SAY HI TO MY PIRANHA DRONES, KISSY KISSY !!
heheheh Singularity. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.23 16:07:00 - [57] Originally by: DubanFP Did you know the word N00b isn't confined to people who havne't been playing long? Yep, i realize this everytime i read one of your posts.
furlock Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.23 22:33:00 - [58] After reading this thread and all the replies so far,you guys do have some good points,but pleaseSTOP MOANING ITS JUST A GAME( a good one at that). if its that bad for you go and play monopoly! i won eve.
Llerrad Gabemid Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.23 23:12:00 - [59] how does one with so much to complain about have 33mil sp in this game he hates so much? And dongs. Lots of 'em.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.24 03:12:00 - [60] Edited by: cal nereus on 24/07/2007 03:13:14 I consider one possible victory (not saying it's my version of it) in eve to be when the alliance I'm in has all the sovereign territory in 0.0, is able to prevent anyone from being in low-sec for long without permission from said alliance, and the entire economy is based on how generous the CEOs of the corporations of the alliance are feeling at the time. That's the end of Eve. But then again, I don't suppose individualistic solo players would agree. Note: I realize that by being in a noob-corp and playing solo (so far) this is totally hypocritical of me. :) But I bet there's a cute little hypocrite deep down inside all of us, relatively close to the liver.

Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Paigan I have played through Eve \o/ Ffs, don't spoil the ending! /Ki I hear the end guy is hard. I heard she was dying like a *****.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:52:00 - [62] I read most of the OP wrote, agreed with what I agree with as he brings out good points here and there. What I, however, find amusing is that you point out a number of poorly implemented things in EVE and then out of nowhere claim you studied computer science almost as if you aren't sure of yourself? But I have a question for him as well. I want you to name one game that is more open in character creation and development, that huge in explorable terrain or how about a game that is actually intresting to watch as it develop. Signature removed as it is unappropriate for a teen-rated forum. -Ivan K
Milton Keynes Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:08:00 - [63] Edited by: Milton Keynes on 24/07/2007 08:10:46 Read this.... Originally by: Kruel I'm not going back to 0.0 until I have a Carrier with a blob backing me up and hours to burn (ie. not gonna happen any time soon). The F1-F8 action that is fleet warfare is boring to me. Then apply this.... Originally by: DubanFP Did you know the word N00b isn't confined to people who havne't been playing long? To OP: This game is what you make it. You set your OWN goals. If in 3 years of playing you haven't realised that then I hope you have fun playing WoW and see you when return Oh, you'll be back alright
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:17:00 - [64] didn't you know, eve is still in beta sup /b/
Oki Riverson Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:41:00 - [65] I ain't gonna flame you, fair play. It does sounds like you just had enough, I Know a good few 3/4 year old players that just dont play as much any more for the same reasons. What I'm taking from this post. And I think most of the the players like myself, with too much time, Shouldn't play as much, most of Eve IS just a time sink. I'm gonna do something more creative and play LESS Eve...but that will be hard. Oki
Irob Urore Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:07:00 - [66] Edited by: Irob Urore on 24/07/2007 09:11:30 I don't want your stuff, stop telling us how we can't have your stuff! It only took you 3 years to figure this wasn't a game and you didn't enjoy it and it was a waste of time, you sir .. are an oak. EDIT> but ill take some of these complementary cheese cra kcers you had laid out on the table, good day!
shinoda	Posted - 2007.07.24 09:20:00 - [67] Originally by: Paigan With 33mil SP, i have and can all i want as a combat char. Including Dread, Carrier (MS, too, in theory), T2 Frigs, Hac/Recon, all ships and weapons up to BS (except scrapmetal BS) and of course a maxed out Raven for high sec mission whoring that is long-term-all-in-all more lucrative than most things one can do in low sec or 0.0. Rest would be simply unneeded (like Amarr Carrier after having Caldari Carrier) and/or only EPEEN enlargement skills (like Warhead Upgrades V), but for that i lack the required instinctive drives (sorry, CCP). Most funny thing I've read on this board so far! I am closing in on 37mil and all I do is fly a carrier. I can barely arm a BS and am completely unable to pilot any T2-ship. You really gotta be a great carrier pilot mate.
Jacques Danton Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:18:00 - [68] Heh, so easy to spot the infantile fanbois in threads like this, because, let's face it, God forbid anyone say anything bad about the game they play at the moment... Typical for fanbois is that no matter what arguments are used to illustrate a negative view of what they hold dear they will always come up with a rather cliche responses, sometimes a single, meaningless line of crap, just for the sake belittling the viewpoint - if you haven't played long enough then you cannot know about it and your opinion is obviously wrong, if you have played too much then you are obviously wrong as otherwise you are supposed to have quit earlier despite that that would have meant that you wouldn't have known what you will be missing, and so on and so on... It's a valid viewpoint and it's valueable for people that intend to sink months of time and subscription in a game looking forward to the stuff this guy has done and it might save them both the time and the money and that it seems is why people post meaningless flames against the OP... pathetic... fanboism blindness has to be the most pathetic thing out there... I read that according to CCP themselves the average age of an EVE player is 7 months, that is before they quit the game and knowing how EVE is structured that is rather strange as by that time one gets to fly the bigger stuff which supposedly should make the game more interesting, that is where the most fun part is supposed to start but such statistics seem to indicate that a lot of people leave because they realise that what they have been looking forward to was not worth it and EVE does not allow people to sample it really without sinking the time (and money first) and I'm sure plenty of people even though not entirely happy with the game carry on hoping that things get a lot better once they can fly <put a ship of whatever faction here> and one day they realise it might not be the case. And that's where fanbois come in... Anyway - a valid point and as far as I'm concerned a good read. EVE has tons upon tons of potential but after so many years of sustained development continuously funded by the players one can still see so many of the rough edges and beta-stage implementation in too many aspects of the game, thus I can understand the OP. Unfortunately for many it would take just as much time and subscription money to find out whether all the skill training was actually worth it just for them to read the same fanbois' crap yet again. Humanity at it's best... Feel free to flame me as well as I don't give a particular damn.
Safaomae Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:54:00 - [69] I dont think 3 years worth of play and entertainment from one game's a bad thing
Isan Danderoda Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:23:00 - [70] I'll agree that some things in Eve could be done better. I'd like to see the mission system show more depth...after all, they overhauled the whole thing about nine months ago or so (if I recall) so they could do more missions, but we haven't seen them. Overall, though, I wouldn't say Eve is trash. Reading between the lines of his post I find that he has met his personal goals and has run out of things to do. That's fine...it will happen eventually. But at the crux of the game for me is exactly that: personal goals. There's lots of stuff I have as yet to do, and I'll get there eventually. At some point I figure I'll run out of ideas and probably say goodbye. So my main question is: why all the fracking drama about it?

Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:39:00 - [71] Failing at the end boss sucks doesn't it --- --- ---
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:56:00 - [72] Originally by: Paigan I've played through Eve \o/ you haven't beaten the endboss (bob) yet sorry, but your ending credits are in another system
HowardStern	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:12:00 - [73] cfg
Darth Vaders Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:31:00 - [74] To the OP: Nice post , very interesting points. _______________________________________________ As a side wish please remove the agent missions from Jita.
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:09:00 - [75] If I cant have yours, can I have the stuff of your brother at least? Take care mate. ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kaylana Syi The Nest	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:14:00 - [76] I think you completely missed the point of EVE. Cya crybear. Team Minmatar
Professor Smartypants The Cause	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:30:00 - [77] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Paigan I have played through Eve \o/ Ffs, don't spoil the ending! /Ki SPOILER ALERT everybody quits


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