Lets once and for all prove or disprove these accusations.

If the watch-dog detects an intruder, the dog will bark.
The dog did not bark.
Therefore, no intruder was detected by the watch-dog.

A lack of proof isn't the same as disproof. Even if CCP were to thoroughly investigate each nullsec alliance and subsequently announce that they discovered no illicit activity, the matter still wouldn't be settled. CCP may simply have failed to catch them.

Consider this aspect of modus tollens:



It would be a logical fallacy to say, "The dog did not bark. Therefore, there is no intruder."

For my part, I choose not to have any opinion at all about large-scale alliance RMT. I personally have no proof and can't verify any of the rumors, and that's about as far as my capabilities extend.

Anyone got a link to the russian chest beating about how his RMT ring paid for a condo or a car or something?

Of the nullsec alliances my charcaters have been involved in - which comprise several high profile well established PVP alliances - I have never seen anything that would indicate botting or RMT (these are not the same thing) taking place. To me, most of the claims spewed forth on the fourms seems to be 1) part of the never ending propaganda war or 2) set forth by people auto-repeating said propagandists.

I might be wrong ofc, but it seems likely that the both botting and RMT issues - while they almost certainly exist - are hugely inflated.

Have you been at the leadership level?

Yes.

@baltec1 - Here you go

I brought several house and a multitude of cars, drugs and hookers with the money I made from RMT playing Eve..

Is that proof.. must be because I posted on the internet and that means it real

Well, when I was involved in the higher up workings the general rule of thumb was always "we don't talk about it". So I say that your lying. I can fly into Null any day of the week and find them Botting systems. Whoever says botting and RMT are not related has no idea how the two things connect, or how they work.

From secondlife to EVE online, people are cashing in on digital currency.

Lol. Say what you want. I think I have you labeled.

Can somebody show me some sort of evidence that shows an alliance or corporation, whether they be in high / low or null that is directly involved in RMT.

@Ursula LeGuinn so not matter what is done you will always believe alliances take part in RMT.. well that is fair.

I'm just quoting the most important question there.
It's not about modus tollens ("the way that denies by denying") as another poster here wrote.
It's about proof. Show and tell or it's all just inflated hearsay and perpetuated lies.

o/

It's about proof. Show and tell or it's all just inflated hearsay and perpetuated lies.

What is proof?


Recorded TS3, where a guy is "bragging" about it.... but nah, he didn't really do it, he is just blowing wind.
A fleet warping off as soon as a neutral enters system... nah, he just has multiple accounts.
Or... "he is just dedicated to the game" that is why he is so focused on taking that region 23/7. He didn't get paid to do it.
Those mountains of hulks mining like oompaloopas deep in drone space 23/7, they are just there for the scenery!





You won't consider anything to be "sufficient proof", so you should STFU too.

You won't consider anything to be "sufficient proof", so you should STFU too. What do you expect? CCP to subpoena players bank statements? Even then.... "That didn't come from RMT LOL I mow lawns on the side"

What is proof?

Recorded TS3, where a guy is "bragging" about it.... but nah, he didn't really do it, he is just blowing wind.
A fleet warping off as soon as a neutral enters system... nah, he just has multiple accounts.
Or... "he is just dedicated to the game" that is why he is so focused on taking that region 23/7. He didn't get paid to do it.
Those mountains of hulks mining like oompaloopas deep in drone space 23/7, they are just there for the scenery!

After reading your responses on this thread - and others - I have yet to see anything from you that doesnt fall into the category "unsubstantiated claims".

Hot Air - thats what you are about buddy.

So go do it yourself then.

Beyond linking recordings (which I don't have) onto these forums and getting myself banned in the process. What else can I do but speak of personal accounts? Even if I did link recordings... it becomes "that's your voice on that recording" and once again it is "not proof".



Your an idiot.

I think you just proved my point.

Is that supposed to be a retort to what I just stated? Because when you read it back it doesn't sound like one. You seem to be proving mine. You cannot prove anything to people who want botting and RMT to continue. They will continue to exaggerate things to the point where nothing can POSSIBLY be sufficient evidence.

So basically you say we should all take your unsubstatiated claims at face value.

gothca.