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N Solarz
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:05:00 -
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title says it all. its been rumored and reported by other gaming sites. any update would be great
if this gets moved to tech discussion, i will cry : )
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:07:00 -
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quick! move it just so i can collect the tears! 
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:10:00 -
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I'd rather have a native Mac OSX client first.
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Allen Ramses
Caldari
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:21:00 -
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That would be a bad idea. If you design a program for linux and it can be easily modified to suit OSX. However, it's not so easy the other way around.
Besides, maccies don't deserve their own client. The last thing we need is the EVE galaxy being dumbed down to nothing more than an internet fashion show.
**Puts on flame suit and runs away**
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Allen Ramses
That would be a bad idea. If you design a program for linux and it can be easily modified to suit OSX. However, it's not so easy the other way around.
Besides, maccies don't deserve their own client. The last thing we need is the EVE galaxy being dumbed down to nothing more than an internet fashion show.
**Puts on flame suit and runs away**
But, CCP said that we should expect one in a few weeks... that was... 4 months ago? 5?
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Ooyama
Caldari
Interstellar Battle Corp.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:48:00 -
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If / when it gets there,, it'd also be nice to know,,, will it be X or SDL ,,,, or ?????
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Oh yeah??? wanna discuss it with my Havoc's??
Originally by: Raoul Endymion
No habla Carebear...
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:54:00 -
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I love Linux, but I gave up on trying to use it as a gaming platform ages ago. It was nice for glqwcl/quake2, but since then there is just not enough interest/support.
They need Linux SERVERS. Maintaining an SQL database is hard enough with proper software, I can't believe they still continue to cripple themselves with ms sql.
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Toxe
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:18:00 -
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Yes, a native Linux client would be really nice.
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Mirirar
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:20:00 -
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I'd much rather see them spend the money/effort on fixing what's in game and adding additional content.
A linux client adds nothing for the average user.
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xHjfx
Minmatar
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mirirar
I'd much rather see them spend the money/effort on fixing what's in game and adding additional content.
A linux client adds nothing for the average user.
Id rather have the new graphics engine to solve some of the lag problems and enjoy the prettyness..
My CPU wants the new graphics engine so it doesnt have to work as hard.
Think the existing client/server is broken enough without adding more problems to the equation.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
quick! move it just so i can collect the tears!
And you called me a troll :P
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Crusix Bargoth
Amarr
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:59:00 -
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but, but, but....they could give us a new graphics engine (one that actually is smart), and a linux client at the same time, if they are re-building the damn thing....
Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar
nerf ponies!!1one
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr
Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:03:00 -
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Wait a minute.
EVE players have trouble getting girls to go out with them.
Linux users have trouble getting girls to go out with them.
The combination may render entire swathes of the population unable to have children.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:43:00 -
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You'll get it right after it runs flawlessly on windows.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:50:00 -
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Not until after CCP stops using proprietary MS DirectX graphics technology, or DirectX for *NIX appears.
This is unlikely to ever happen, so emulators like Cedega are going to probably be the only solution for a long time.
Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from? 
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IlluminatedOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:54:00 -
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Not likely to appear, until CCP uses OpenGL for Mac/Linux versions (like WoW does). But maintaining 2 distinct engines is... hard, to say the least.
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Skelator
Stronghold corp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 26/07/2007 05:58:33
Originally by: N Solarz
title says it all. its been rumored and reported by other gaming sites. any update would be great
if this gets moved to tech discussion, i will cry : )
You will NEVER-EVER-EVER-EVER EVER-EVER-EVER see a Linux client for this game.
The reason being CCP are in BED with Microshaft and it's probably in a contract clause somewhere that they are not to embrace open source Especially Linux under any circumstances.
Microsoft plays this game all the time.
We will give you so many server licenses for X amount of dollars but "Oh Yeah" you cannot use any open source to connect or interact with them.
Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
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Mordarx
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mordarx on 26/07/2007 06:01:18
Originally by: Lady Natacha
Not until after CCP stops using proprietary MS DirectX graphics technology, or DirectX for *NIX appears.
This is unlikely to ever happen, so emulators like Cedega are going to probably be the only solution for a long time.
I doubt that is a big a problem as you may think. EVE hardly uses the most advanced 3D features available and the shader support is there in Linux. I suspect its more of a skills thing. CCP uses
Microsoft Visual Studio
Microsoft Windows Server on the cluster
Microsoft SQL Server
The wisdom of choosing this platform for a cluster in regards to speed and performance notwithstanding, its clear where the skill investment lies. Its quite possible they cannot find the skills they need to do this easily.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:26:00 -
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As soon as DirectX is ported to OSX.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: N Solarz
title says it all. its been rumored and reported by other gaming sites. any update would be great
if this gets moved to tech discussion, i will cry : )
You can expect it when Linux becomes a mainstream operating system for the home user. There is little to no sign of that happening yet. Linux seems stuck in the geek market at home. Mainly it's because it's taken so long to give it a user friendly installer, desktop and utility suite. If you have the time and inclination to tinker Linux does a fantastic job. It's efficient, very configurable and everything the technical user needs to get the best out of their hardware.
Unfortunately the vast majority of computer users just want to switch on and go. Those at work can hopefully rely on their IT department to make things go smoothly but people at home don't have that luxury. Linux is getting better but it's still a long way from Windows.
Unfortunately getting it to be easy to install and run as Windows means sacrificing a lot of what makes Linux worthwhile in the first place. You lose that fantastic configurability and efficiency. Windows in relatively unsecure because Microsoft tried not to burden users with too many complicated decisions. Windows is bloated because it wants everything to be available all the time so that it can offer whatever the user wants whenever the user wants it without them having to faff around installing and configuring.
In conclusion:Linux is a great OS but it ain't for everyone and therefore it's unlikely to ever achieve the levels of market dominance that will see large numbers of games being written for it. Luckily it does have a very good Windows emulator (which in itself should tell you something) and CCP do support that. I think it's call Cadega.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 26/07/2007 07:13:19
Originally by: Skelator
Edited by: Skelator on 26/07/2007 05:58:33
Originally by: N Solarz
title says it all. its been rumored and reported by other gaming sites. any update would be great
if this gets moved to tech discussion, i will cry : )
You will NEVER-EVER-EVER-EVER EVER-EVER-EVER see a Linux client for this game.
The reason being CCP are in BED with Microshaft and it's probably in a contract clause somewhere that they are not to embrace open source Especially Linux under any circumstances.
A lot of companies avoid Open Source like the plague and it isn't neccessarily because of coding quality fears.
The problem is the licensing agreements for OS software can be a minefield. A lot of them include clauses that say if you use even so much as the tiniest part of a project then your entire project must be made open source.
We've even seen child/parent terms which would have meant that pretty much the companies entire code base would have been brought under the OS banner. One of our standing jokes is that we're waiting to see an OS agreement that backdates to everything any programmer has written once that programmer uses the OS project in any way.
The problem is that (understandably) OS does not mean 'free to use' in the 'free speech' way. That means you have to bring lawyers on board and some of the licensing terms are ridiculous.
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Xordan
Caldari
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 08:05:00 -
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Stackless Python is open source software... so they don't really have a problem with it do they?
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Norwood Franskly
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Posted - 2007.07.26 08:29:00 -
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I thought Eve was running on a big IBM built super computer, not very likely to be using MS as the OS
IBM being the big Linux supporters that they are from a hardware point of view I think they could be looking at making things more efficient. Of course Client and Server are two distinct areas.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.07.26 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2007 08:37:44
Wouldnt they have to write tons of code to replace the DirectX parts of the code in order to natively support linux?
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Silvana Starbreeze
key tech limited
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Posted - 2007.07.26 09:53:00 -
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I`m using Cedega to run EvE on Linux. Works fine - ok, crashes now and then but that¦s usually because i do lots of different stuff on the computer - for example it usually crashes when i run VMWare and EvE at the same time (besides the other 50 apps in background of course) ... but that is to be expected i guess - can only push the system this far ;)
A native Linux client would rock ... but tbh a native OSX client would rock even more ("Yarrrr, MacbookPro in sight Captain - i can see it at the beginning of next year").
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DJ P
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: DJ P on 26/07/2007 10:18:47
Since they actualy rewrite the client and they will have to support 2 versions (DX10 and other, probably DX9), I don't see why not do it on OpenGL and DX10.
The OpenGL version will run under XP/OSX/*nix. DX10 under Vista and with library hacking XP :)
After all the upcoming OpenGL version if not far superior, is the same as the DX10.
And don't forget the market. Linux/Mac market is virgin atm with only a couple of native MMORPGs none compared to EVE. (WoW is a joke).
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: DJ P
Edited by: DJ P on 26/07/2007 10:18:47
Since they actualy rewrite the client and they will have to support 2 versions (DX10 and other, probably DX9), I don't see why not do it on OpenGL and DX10.
The OpenGL version will run under XP/OSX/*nix. DX10 under Vista and with library hacking XP :)
After all the upcoming OpenGL version if not far superior, is the same as the DX10.
And don't forget the market. Linux/Mac market is virgin atm with only a couple of native MMORPGs none compared to EVE. (WoW is a joke).
Finally someone that speaks the truth. Especially regarding OpenGL.
As for the MS backend - everyone, even Windows *****s, agrees it's crap. I've just graduated in network computing, and all of my lecturers laughed at MS backends. I'm still surprised at some of the ways they do things in CCP.
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Ralle030583
Gallente
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:48:00 -
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Soon TM 
You need a free Killboard?
check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:51:00 -
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We have no plans to release a native client for Linux or Mac OS X.
EVE runs under API wrappers such as Cedega, Cider, Wine, Crossover and CodeWeavers, and probably in some emulations environments such as Parallels (v3).
We are committed to enhance our support for API wrappers.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
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syphurous
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.26 11:11:00 -
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I believe theres some offical looking post about some work with Transgaming. Please pay them for any conversion / emulation you require.
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