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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:24:00 -
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In reading one of the posts about freighters dying it is mentioned that suicide gankers get the loot and salvage of the wreck and ins. after they are Concorde.
My quesiton is - looking at Risk vs. Reward - should suicide gankers get the insurance after Concorde had a nice pleasant conversation with them?
I personally think the answer should be no as some of these ganksters get enough isk from the freighters that they don't need the ins. It is almost like being rewarded for ganking. Of course - this only applies to Hi-Sec.
What is your opinion?
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LifeLines
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:26:00 -
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No. Furthermore,
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:28:00 -
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Yes, becuase not giving people who are killed by concord is a support nightmare. What about all the people the get kill by concord because of mistakes? I can assure you they outnumber the suicide gankers by a fair margin.
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Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:31:00 -
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Insurance companies are independant comporations from concord. So I don't see any particular reason to not get it, aside from it helping to stop high sec ganking :P
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:31:00 -
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I agree, remove insurance for ships that gets concorded.
The expenses of a gankfleet is not enough. Most freighters with a full cargo a viable target it seems.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:31:00 -
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Yes, insurance should still be paid out for gankers. This coming from the biased opinion of someone who had a hulk blown up and looted by 4 Catalysts last week.
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Yes, becuase not giving people who are killed by concord is a support nightmare. What about all the people the get kill by concord because of mistakes? I can assure you they outnumber the suicide gankers by a fair margin.
I'm certain that the number of people that used i-stabs "right" outnumbered the ones flying nanophoons.
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.07.26 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Hoshi
Yes, becuase not giving people who are killed by concord is a support nightmare. What about all the people the get kill by concord because of mistakes? I can assure you they outnumber the suicide gankers by a fair margin.
I'm certain that the number of people that used i-stabs "right" outnumbered the ones flying nanophoons.
Ah, right. So they went ahead and nerfed all the modules into oblivion. I'll tell you what, since we are going into unintended consequences, let's go ahead and remove insurance from the hauler that gets killed as well, since that would show neglect on the part of the person who stuffed enough isk into a paperthin courier venue to make it worthwhile suiciding.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:03:00 -
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We need more threads!
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Stefx
Gallente
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:06:00 -
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There should never be a payout for being Concorded
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:07:00 -
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No.
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Mrmuttley
Guns 'N' Hoses
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:09:00 -
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Why did this need a new thread?
there are at least 50 threads on this very topic
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:18:00 -
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I would like to rephrase the question - it appears as if people are focusing on the word freighters.
Should anyone who performs the illegal act of suicide ganking - regardless of the victim - get the insurance payout?
As for there being more than one thread on this subject - I am sorry. I didn't see any on this specific subject. I will do another search.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:20:00 -
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I used to not care either way about the suicide gank insurance issue. But I must admit that all the passionate discussions on the subject are gradually convincing me that the removal of ship insurance from people who start more of these threads is the only way to solve the problem.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:25:00 -
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Signing this for the n-th time. Who cares about people who accidentally get concorded. They can live with it.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley
Why did this need a new thread?
there are at least 50 threads on this very topic
I did find one similar thread back in 2003. But I can't find anything recent. Please help me locate the others. I will gladly withdraw this question.
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Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:37:00 -
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Yes, you should always receive insurance, regardless the demise of your vessel.
You cannot build in AI to the game that says, "Oh, this guy deliberately attacked that other fellow, it wasn't a mistake!" and then expect to get reimbursed when your Navy Issue Raven gets pummeled after clicking the wrong buttons. When you purchase insurance in game, there's no clause in the contract stating the mechanics of reimbursement doesn't include suicide - therefore you're entitled to the ISK.
You can't make real life comparisons as to whether you're insurable as no one would receive insurance. So we're talking about "game insurance", and if we're not to be held as simulating life-like mechanics, then there's no reason why we shouldn't receive reimbursement due to suicide - even though in real life people DO receive insurance money for suicides.
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Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 26/07/2007 21:42:56
Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 26/07/2007 21:42:08
Originally by: JamnOne
I would like to rephrase the question - it appears as if people are focusing on the word freighters.
Should anyone who performs the illegal act of suicide ganking - regardless of the victim - get the insurance payout?
Yes, they should get insurance.
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As for there being more than one thread on this subject - I am sorry. I didn't see any on this specific subject. I will do another search.
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I did find one similar thread back in 2003. But I can't find anything recent. Please help me locate the others. I will gladly withdraw this question.
There are a bunch on the 1st three pages. You don't need the search tool for that.
One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight
Nine
Ten
And that's just on pages 1 & 2...
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:43:00 -
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In a perfect game players should probably not receive insurance for getting blown-up by Concord.
That being said, new players would surely quit if they made a simple mistake and lost their ship to Concord and had no way to replace it. They could petition, but how long would that add to the already ridiculously long petition queues?
Cats do play EVE. Where did you think player names like asdfghjj came from? 
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Aces Israel
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:46:00 -
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If I rob a bank or murder someone and I wreck my car running from the police, should my insurance company pay out?
I'm sure they won't. Why should they?
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Korus Todlich
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Aces Israel
If I rob a bank or murder someone and I wreck my car running from the police, should my insurance company pay out?
I'm sure they won't. Why should they?
Imagine a Swiss insurance account.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:48:00 -
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I WILL POST IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM MORE IMPORTANT AND IT IS HARD TO WADE THROUGH THE CAREBEAR *****ING.
CORCORD != INSURANCE COMPANY
LEAVE THE SYSTEM, ALONE
p.s. carebears suck?
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Mrmuttley
Guns 'N' Hoses
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:49:00 -
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Well JamnOne i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume its simply a poor choice of search terms rather than haveing a joke when you said you were unable to find any threads about it.
Here
Here
Here
Here
And a whole load more are out there
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.07.26 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn
I WILL POST IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM MORE IMPORTANT AND IT IS HARD TO WADE THROUGH THE CAREBEAR *****ING.
CORCORD != INSURANCE COMPANY
LEAVE THE SYSTEM, ALONE
p.s. griefers suck?
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Vincetti
There are a bunch on the 1st three pages. You don't need the search tool for that.
One
Two
Three
Four
Five
Six
Seven
Eight
Nine
Ten
And that's just on pages 1 & 2...
1 - 5 deal with freighters and ganking shouldn't be allowed - I am not talking just about freigters
6 - is just a complaint about ganking - nobody really likes it
7 - That was more of a thread against those who want to stop suicide ganking - the OP did like stopping insurance
8 - More freighter
9 - Wants to remove freighters from hi-sec
10 - Again, wants to remove ganking
Inside some of those threads it is mentioned but there is not a thread dedicated to Insurance and ganking.
I am not against ganking. It is part of the game. If you want to gank then I say go for it. I am just thinking that those who gank shouldn't get rewarded by both the insurance and the loot. But ganking is playing.
As for accidental deaths - I do feel for them. I wonder if that would be something that a petition could take care of as accidents and software bugs do happen.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley
Well JamnOne i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume its simply a poor choice of search terms rather than haveing a joke when you said you were unable to find any threads about it.
Here
Here
Here
Here
And a whole load more are out there
Thank You for bringing this to my attention. I am curious - what words or phrase did you use?
For everybody else - I am sorry for posting this question. Please disregard and click on the 4 links above and agree there if you so desire.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Christari Zuborov
... and then expect to get reimbursed when your Navy Issue Raven gets pummeled after clicking the wrong buttons.
What's the payout on that by the way? Do people really insure their 600M RNI hulls and get a payout near what they spent on it?
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Ninja Otaku
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fswd
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
I WILL POST IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM MORE IMPORTANT AND IT IS HARD TO WADE THROUGH THE CAREBEAR *****ING.
CORCORD != INSURANCE COMPANY
LEAVE THE SYSTEM, ALONE
p.s. griefers suck?
Fixed
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Originally by: JamnOne
In reading one of the posts about freighters dying it is mentioned that suicide gankers get the loot and salvage of the wreck and ins. after they are Concorde.
My quesiton is - looking at Risk vs. Reward - should suicide gankers get the insurance after Concorde had a nice pleasant conversation with them?
I personally think the answer should be no as some of these ganksters get enough isk from the freighters that they don't need the ins. It is almost like being rewarded for ganking. Of course - this only applies to Hi-Sec.
What is your opinion?
It would deter high sec piracy, but there should BE high sec piracy. Even a suicide ganker takes a loss if there ship is insured. Also, there is no garuntee the high sec ganker is gonna get the loot because of the dozens of pilots near by who would love to swipe it from them. All your doing is creating a small deterrant to suicide ganking, it wont stop it. Also newbies who accidentally get concorded need that insurance pay out.
When you wiegh the pro's and con's, it's better to leave as is.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kristen Ambrais
RL if the cops repossess your car and/or blow it up because they think its got a bomb in it you dont get the money back.
Neither should people who get concorded.
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Aceoil
Murder-Death-Kill
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.26 22:52:00 -
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The answer is:
It doesnt matter if you take away insurance payouts.
We will still find ways to suicide gank frieghters, and industrials.
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