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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1284
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:08:00 -
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I still want to see this for the community. Think of the uses and tears.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
1438
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:03:00 -
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Had a lovely discussion with an incursion fleet about this the other night. (I brought it up)
They liked the idea.
Then I said that it would become a PRIME target for gankers. There was silence as they thought about it.
'Yup, fair enough'
They then went back to dreaming about what the ship would look like, who would make it and the varying capacities and loot mechanisms.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1285
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:49:00 -
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Well Mike, in the first few pages I made suggestions as to builders and bonuses. As for my suggestions on looks, the art department would be better suited to make that call. I'm glad people are liking the idea, and hopefully we can get this thing made for everyone, even if tweaks have to be made. So long as it helps the community as a whole. I'm not glory seeking but at the same time, hopefully I'd get at least some credit for it. Haha.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
1439
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:19:00 -
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/me grins
If they give me any say in the name .. . .
I don't think I will push for Carrigan.
But damn Azariah sounds down right majestic, don't it?
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1285
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:23:00 -
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Hahaha! Don't really care about the name. A headnod would be nice though. I'm just glad this is still going in a positive direction.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1286
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Posted - 2014.09.12 22:57:00 -
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Let's keep it going. Need more support.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.13 21:06:00 -
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Hello,
This is going to be a lengthy post but I've been mulling with a similar Idea... Jack I understand you would like to see new ships but I believe we have the same goal in mind, a high-sec ship transport, I'll make in the form of Dev post to be as clear as possible.. Also in this format the CSM's can bring it to the Dev's with a viable option in that looks familiar in language...
I'm asking everyone here to reconsider re-purposing the Rorqual to be used as the flagship of these Tug Class Concept vessels..
It's model already used in-game with attributes and stats that can be adjusted, rather then having the design team coming up with new ships, which frankly, all do the exact same thing.
Though the positioning of those ships as Orca sized variants is still plausible for empire variants. as far as I've seen could be T2 versions of the Freighters with but, being of lower mass (<300,000 kg) to facilitate WH usage they would loose most of their cargo capacity for it's dedicated purpose T2 of hauling ships... moving on
I'm going to using the re-balance of the T1 logistics ships, Transports and Industrials. The fact carriers were/are in highsec, loot mechanics of SMA in POS's, and the General Purpose/ Use of the ships class, and a bit of game design practicality just to toss it in the mix for proper justification...
Why the Rorqual? 
It's purpose of crunching rocks has been moved to a POS module now, which is where many Rorqual's usually live long boring lives giving boosts, when you look at the ship line it's a T2/ Teir2 Orca. Speaking of which...
The Orca: (It's younger sibiling) is classified as an ORE, Capital Industrial ship, that can already haul any fitted ship with-in is Ship Maintenance Bay (SMB) in Hi-Sec. Having the Rorqual be able to do the same thing would only be the conclusion to the ship line, not a significant change. It does not make sense that the smaller ship is is able to do something the the larger cannot... in fact a Rorqual's SMB was limited to indy ships as an after thought, even in the description.
Freighters and Jump Freighters are also Capital class ships in High-Sec, not to mention in days of old Capitals were everywhere in Hi-Sec
Why Not a use Carrier? 
Carriers Don't need to go in Hi-Sec, The Carrier is the, small Swiss army knife of eve, providing various support roles in direct combat situations. Carriers have the option to join-in in fights, while bringing Sub caps in it's hull to support the fleet even more, It's a combat ship first and for most.
The Rorqual is not a combat vessel could be used to bring ships into a System or WH with out expending time of mutliple jumps, this plays into the risk/reward factor. As a lone Roqual is just prey with out the luxury of going into triage 
In Highsec it wouldn't be able to use the industrial Core module, just as you cannnot use bubbles or Bomb Launchers or any capital module that i'm aware of...
LOAR(get it) lore and purpose
The Rorqual was previously banned from Hi-Sec along because the gravitational wakes of it's mass. ORE realizing the needs of Deep Space Commanders went back to the design board extensively using nanofibers and polycarbon structures to reduce the mass of the ship as well as updated AI navigation protocols from the empires keeping these ships from interfering with populated worlds.. As such concord assembly lobbied by the Gallente Federation, have permitted these ships to travel in high security empire space. The empires seeing a use of the rapid deployment have modified some their current freighters to fill this need
ORE ships are primarily focused on Industrial activity's on the fringes of space.. This doesn't mean these are helpless targets as the Skiff and Prospect can be used for other purposes which adds content for all to enjoy...
This ship would be similar to a freighter in speed pilots would have to consider carrying a lot of ships or moving with some speed (relative)
Yes it would be a BIG target, and would drop ships/loot similarly to any Carrier or SMA. would there be anything wrong with that???
The Numbers 
Well i'll start with the most important SMB: ~1,250,000m-¦ - 1,500,000m-¡-¦ (+250,000m-¦-500,000m-¦). By removing the Ore Hold (250,000m-¦) adding it to the SMB. Again Rorqual's don't sit in belts, but rather hang out in POS's.. With it's massive cargo bay Mining Op Commanders would be wise to carry a POS, Modules and fuel to ensure their operation has a fallback point and time to react to hostile forces in the area...
Skill bonus Changes:
5% Bonus to Mining Foreman Links (was 10% only if in Industrial Core mode)
remove shield boost bonuses from here
Role Bonus Changes:
+1000% to Range of all remote shield boosters (was 50% per level to Capital Remote Shield Booster Range)
The survey scan range and cargo scan range would be Fleet bonuses (rather then local)..
100% Bonus to Mining Foreman Link effectiveness When Industrial Core module is activated (Bring fleet bonuses back inline)
Hull Changes:
-30,000 Shields Hitpoint
-10,000 Armor Hitpoints
-60,000 Structure Hitpoints
Mass: 950,000 kg (-230,000 kg) allows it move through Hi-Sec Gates or C4 WH's (similar to Rhea JF's @ 960,000 kg)
Maximum Jump Range: 3.5 ly (-1.5ly)
Consumption ammount: 5000 (+300)
Warp Speed: 1.37au/s (-0.13au/s)
Price Tag: 10 Billion isk (positioning it between super and capitals, but over JF's. Just as the orca is Between a BS and a Carrier)
Skill set changes:
I don't have a full answer for that yet I'ld love some input
Summary: TL;DR
With these changes to the Rorqual it, sacrifices robustness and some mobility, for versatility and practicality, able adapt to fill the various needs of all kinds of Deep Space Industrialists, while also being usable as our mystical HS-WH Carrier.
I'm open to any idea's and useful comments. (Here comes the RAGE) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1286
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:50:00 -
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However, if using the Rorqual model, one would presume an ORE manufactured ship. And as previously stated, ORE would not directly involve themselves in building ships that would overtly be used to transport war ships. It would ruin their neutrality, and likely cause other factions to target them for facilitating this.
And who said this would just be high sec? Because a later incarnation could be jump capable to facilitate transit from high to low/null in a more expedient and efficient manner.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:40:00 -
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That almost sounds plausible, Execpt, it seems you've missed a few things
ORE:
- Is not Redesigning it for the explicit use in war, ship hauling is a legitimate business
- Isn't neutral to the empires, they have high level ties in the gallente empire, remaining diplomatic with the others
- employs others for security, and uses diplomacy (Fed Navy Blasters of the Black Eagles) to keep pirates neutral
- does this already in with Orca Hull (you can place any fitted ship up to BC in a orca) with out any repercussions.
- The Empires rely on ORE hulls for their industrial needs, it would be suicide to attack ORE
The Rorqual will keep it's jump drive: changes can be found in " The Numbers "
The range will be nerfed a little,
but it's designed is to allow mining commanders to establish a Mining Outpost in the remote corners of the cluster, Even deep into Anoikis. As certain systems may only have a path leading to Hi-Sec. The Roqual would be able to take advantage of these circumstances. also when going into the Unknown it's wise to bring Spare ships and modules |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1289
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:06:00 -
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Let's get some more support for this.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1291
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Posted - 2014.09.21 04:34:00 -
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Keep the support flowing and fingers crossed.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1291
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:51:00 -
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Does anyone have any new input today?
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:46:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Does anyone have any new input today?
It's still a good idea. +1 more... :)
So, you're a bounty hunter.
No, that ain't it at all.
Then what are you?
I'm a bounty hunter. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1318
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:38:00 -
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Why thank you.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1453
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:55:00 -
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Keep the dream afloat folks. Need this to stay toward the top for all to see.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
957
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:18:00 -
[466] - Quote
Another +10^10^100
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1470
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:39:00 -
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Thank ya kindly.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Ping Padecain
Obscured By Cows
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 11:36:00 -
[468] - Quote
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1523
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:38:00 -
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500+ likes that say we need this. Let's break 1000.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Targanoth
Soul Takers
3
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:26:00 -
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Out of all the things in eve do we really need to make moving battleships in high sec a priority? Why are you constantly moving battleships? In what scenario do you need to move 3 battleships every day? |
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
961
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:50:00 -
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Targanoth wrote:Out of all the things in eve do we really need to make moving battleships in high sec a priority? Why are you constantly moving battleships? In what scenario do you need to move 3 battleships every day?
Incursions for one. It's also handy for alliances/corps that move around frequently.
The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1583
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:55:00 -
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Also consider people doing gun running for people who are slammed by war decs. Incursions. People running missions in different areas, et cetera.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1584
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Posted - 2014.09.30 21:42:00 -
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Also, loot pinata.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
161
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:18:00 -
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I'm not a ship balancer but in principle I like this idea
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1644
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Posted - 2014.10.01 17:24:00 -
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Glad to see another person in favor.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.02 11:43:00 -
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MMHMM more likes. please
What do you think of making the those 4 ships have really low Mass 250-300k Tonnes...
with three Lows to match it with JF's
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1747
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Posted - 2014.10.03 03:05:00 -
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Not a bad suggestion!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:29:00 -
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Force projection, is being Fozzied!!!! (that's a topic for a different thread) but i want to quote some thing from the blog that have relevance here
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/long-distance-travel-changes-inbound/
"As above, capital ships will be able to use stargates, but will for the time being they will still be barred from entering Highsec (that is a larger discussion that we would like to revisit in future)" -CCP Greyscale
"Jump Freighters and Rorquals will gain a role bonus: 90% reduction to effective range jumped for the purposes of all these calculations, but will otherwise get all the described changes. This means that, for all the math weGÇÖre doing on this feature, whenever we use the range jumped as a variable we first multiply it by 0.1. We will still likely want to revisit the logistical power of these ships in future, but for now we want to bring them into the new system without nerfing them too hard." -CCP Greyscale
It seems to me CCP is Paving the way forward so (Rorqual Proposal post: #457) and the other tugs may just have a niche after these New Changes... 
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1768
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:19:00 -
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Indeed, and very relevant.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
1820
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Posted - 2014.10.04 03:59:00 -
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Logistics has been an issue. Well this could help.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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