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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:04:00 -
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I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here.
The original posting can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673
It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed.
Now for the proposal itself:
Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported.
What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job.
The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Imperial Shipment Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Lai Dai Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Freedom Extension Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level
Support Tug-class Skill Bonus: +0.6 Warp Strength per level
Necessary Skills: Racial Freighter II - Advanced Spaceship Command I -- Spaceship Command V Racial Industrial V - Spaceship Command III -- Racial Frigate III -- Spaceship Command I
These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
228
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:23:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here. The original posting can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed. Now for the proposal itself: Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported. What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job. The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Imperial Shipment Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Lai Dai Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Freedom Extension Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level Support Tug-class Skill Bonus: +0.6 Warp Strength per level Necessary Skills: Racial Freighter II - Advanced Spaceship Command I -- Spaceship Command V Racial Industrial V - Spaceship Command III -- Racial Frigate III -- Spaceship Command I These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe.
Just make it a freighter...no slots...no rigs...just a big fat hanger bay with the limitations you got.
Freighters (including Jump Freighters) can do fine with a modest fleet for defense or common sense.
And you get my vote.
Jump drive capble? Not sure....ill let others debate that.
PS: Only reason I'm open to the idea.....orca's are just not the best thing for 0.0 transportation and carriers are not the best either for mass transport of equipment....and the staggering number of battleships we field are insane. Would be nice to summon up a fat assed freighter with fitted ships all the same. Slots would make it too powerful...jump drive or lack thereof...remains to be seen...but even jump drive ships have dangers. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
461
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Posted - 2012.01.12 01:49:00 -
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I only suggested it have mid and low slots due to the fact that it wouldn't just be utilized for mass movement in fleet operations. It would also be utilized for moving across long stretches of space, and if cut off from a fleet, it would at least be able to defend itself long enough for fleet support to arrive.
Two to three mid/low slots with no rig slots wouldn't be game-breaking for this type of ship.
And the purpose of it being Tier 2 is to round out the role a little more, and create more immersion.
With above listed slots, it wouldn't allow for a massive tank to be fit to it, or a large amount of EWAR to be fitted to it with the limitations to powergrid and CPU that would definitely be in place.
As for jump capable, I would go ahead and say no to that one. Unless a Tech 2 variant of said ship was eventually created. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.01.12 08:06:00 -
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As a space trucker, I support this idea (as I did in Features & Ideas Discussion).
Although, Drake Draconis brings up a good point. I the following:
Maximum locked targets: -5
So no number of signal amps would be able to allow them to lock a target, even on the 5-low slot variant.
When I thought about these ships and proposed their per-level bonuses, I did so with the idea in mind that they would have these mid and low slots which is why I think they should be kept.
Also, the Support Tug per-level bonus of +0.6 Warp Stability per level was intended as part of the tech 2 variant and would, of course, either have to be dropped or re-implemented as a freighter per-level bonus. If the +0.6 Warp Strength were to be implemented, I would definitely take a significant amount out of their agility. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
922
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Posted - 2012.01.12 15:28:00 -
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I am a little confused as to why another transport ship of any kind is needed right now...but...whatever...more diversity can't hurt.
+1 EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
5
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Posted - 2012.01.12 15:46:00 -
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I absolutely love this idea.
It would be kinda like a non combat high sec carrier.(an ORCA can not hold even a single battleship)
currently at best using courier contracts with max skills you can put two fitted battleships in a freighter. most rigged fitted battleships when put in a courier package are over 400,000m3.
to have a new freighter style ship big enough to hold 3-4 fitted battleships but in a ships only bay that can not hold normal cargo.
It is a pain when moving across the galaxy to have to fly all the battleships with rigs that you do not want to lose. True you can always sell them and rebuy or take packaged ones with you, but having a ship that could carry multiple battleships through high sec would be really great. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
756
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Posted - 2012.01.12 16:41:00 -
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The Orca is an industrial ship. It's designed to carry a pair of mining vessels and was never intended as a transport ship. Its prerequisites are absurd for someone who just needs to move some fitted ships.
I'd like to see a specialized freighter that could carry 1 million m3 of fitted ships. This would allow for a pair of battleships, or one battleship and a small fleet of support ships. It should not be able to eject ships, but could place them into ship maintenance arrays or unload them in stations. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
756
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Posted - 2012.01.12 16:47:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am a little confused as to why another transport ship of any kind is needed right now...but...whatever...more diversity can't hurt.
+1
I spent hours last night moving ships around because my battleships were all over highsec in weird places. I still need to go get one more. If I could train my orca alt to fly a freighter like this, I probably never would have left them out there when I changed out for whatever cruiser I left the system in. |
Temmu Guerra
Sickle Moon Intrepid Crossing
14
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:04:00 -
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and this is the way all ideas should be done (features to assembly hall)
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
466
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:21:00 -
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I'm liking the positive feedback that this idea is getting, and would like to seek more support.
I would also hope to get the attention of the CSM and Devs with this one. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Kwashi
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
1
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Posted - 2012.01.13 12:33:00 -
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Sounds awesome.
Would be even more awesome if the ships in the bay had a chance to fall out as loot when the transport explodes. |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.01.13 14:10:00 -
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Kwashi wrote:Sounds awesome.
Would be even more awesome if the ships in the bay had a chance to fall out as loot when the transport explodes.
I, personally, have no qualms with this idea. Imagine the chaos that would ensue. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
466
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:08:00 -
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That was part of my original concept for it and I don't see why it shouldn't carry on to the proposal here. Not just the chaos Domu. Imagine the tears. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Kulmid
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 17:29:00 -
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Pretty good idea, really no downsides if they make the bay "un-ejectable". No slots are needed really, just make it a brother of the freighter. |
Seventh Seraph
AFK Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:01:00 -
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This is a great idea as long as ^^ you cannot eject ships.
+1 |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
25
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:37:00 -
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seems a sensible well thought out idea, god knows those are rare enough here so i'll support it
+ 1 |
D'Tell Annoh
4Sight Enterprises
20
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Posted - 2012.01.14 08:25:00 -
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Why make 4 different racial versions of basically the same ship?
Just make it an ORE ship.
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
470
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:23:00 -
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Because it is designed as a Tier 2 Freighter. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.01.14 15:03:00 -
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D'Tell Annoh wrote:Why make 4 different racial versions of basically the same ship?
Just make it an ORE ship.
There are multiple reason you would not have a single ORE ship:
- RP Reason: Of the non-empire factions the ORE is the least likely to be using one of these for hauling entire ships around - they already have a ship for that. This task would likely fall to the InterBus. InterBus maintains careful neutrality and would not be caught dead ferrying anything that could be considered militaristic (ie: warships). This is what makes Imperial Shipment, CBD Corporation, Transstellar Shipping, and Freedom Extension stay in business.
- Practical RP reason: An ORE variant of the ship would have the highest amount of HP in shields. Amarr and Gallente would make their own versions that would be more suited for being supported by Oneires. Guardians, Thanates, or Archons.
- Practical reason: Many pilots have already trained one racial Industrial to V for the use of blockade runners, deep space transports, or freighters. This ship is designed to be useful not only from the perspective of industrial pilots but also from the point of combat pilots that are changing base.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
192
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Posted - 2012.01.14 17:14:00 -
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That's one ship I would definitively like to see. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
472
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Posted - 2012.01.14 18:15:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:D'Tell Annoh wrote:Why make 4 different racial versions of basically the same ship?
Just make it an ORE ship. There are multiple reason you would not have a single ORE ship:
- RP Reason: Of the non-empire factions the ORE is the least likely to be using one of these for hauling entire ships around - they already have a ship for that. This task would likely fall to the InterBus. InterBus maintains careful neutrality and would not be caught dead ferrying anything that could be considered militaristic (ie: warships). This is what makes Imperial Shipment, CBD Corporation, Transstellar Shipping, and Freedom Extension stay in business.
- Practical RP reason: An ORE variant of the ship would have the highest amount of HP in shields. Amarr and Gallente would make their own versions that would be more suited for being supported by Oneires. Guardians, Thanates, or Archons.
- Practical reason: Many pilots have already trained one racial Industrial to V for the use of blockade runners, deep space transports, or freighters. This ship is designed to be useful not only from the perspective of industrial pilots but also from the point of combat pilots that are changing base.
Thanks Domu, as usual, your helpful insight and input is always welcome. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.01.14 21:13:00 -
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As someone who just recently tried to move a lot of standings grinding ships to a new corporations agent, I heartily endorse this product. That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |
Aleena Doran
Squaddies
14
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:18:00 -
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I like. People in the past have claimed that courier contracts are the solution to shipping rigged ships via freighter. That argument is flawed as you cannot issue a contract to yourself. |
James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
8
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Posted - 2012.01.15 11:34:00 -
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Disallowing ejection is a good move, but make sure there's a way for the ships to be deposited at a POS.
What price point would you see for this ship? Between Orca and Freighter? On par with Orca? |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.01.15 16:07:00 -
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To be honest, I see it as just over the cost of a freighter. It's intended (I believe) at the moment to be a tier 2 freighter (Same ratio as the Dominix vs the Megathron etc) and would be priced as such. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
473
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:06:00 -
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Domu, you are correct in your line of thinking, in reference to it being a Tier 2 Freighter. So yes, it should be just above the price of the existing Freighters. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Justin Ackaris
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3
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Posted - 2012.01.16 06:36:00 -
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Thumbs up from me - there is not a lot of choice atm with rigged ship transportation and this would fill the gap nicely. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
477
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Posted - 2012.01.17 07:01:00 -
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Hopefully I can pique the interest of all of the long-haul space truckers out there to get this proposal supported so maybe one day it could be found in game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
15
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:31:00 -
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I support this |
Tiger Prince
Peace Million Foundation Shadow of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:18:00 -
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Nicely thought out and a good idea. I fully support this. Creation is so precious, and greed so destructive. |
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Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
277
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Posted - 2012.01.18 04:11:00 -
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This sounds like a pretty cool idea to me. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
102
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:50:00 -
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I like this one. Supported. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
488
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:07:00 -
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Let's get some more support. Spread the word, and maybe we can get the CSM and Devs to take a look at it.
We want new shiny ships!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
238
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:20:00 -
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Sounds like a usefull ship to me, though I would make it a regular freighter, without any slots. Aka, a freighter that has a big ship carrying bay. Wether or not to allow ejecting them in space is a bad idea or not, I'll not comment on. Either way, make it 2 of them.. a regular one and a Jump capable Tech 2 one.
Also, imho, 3 battleships isn't all that much. make it 4 or 5 with proper skilling. ( ie freighter 5 )
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
490
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:26:00 -
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Well it is a proposal. A suggestion. So if it were adopted I'm sure the devs would balance it out. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Thryson
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:30:00 -
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Supported |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
490
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:45:00 -
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I'm happy to see all the support this is getting. Hopefully we can get this thread some more attention. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:16:00 -
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I'm drafting a full stat layout now. Should be able to provide more information by Sunday. |
engjin
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
14
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:33:00 -
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I really like this idea. The orca bay doesn't cut it and your very limited when packaging rigged ship in courier contracts for freighters.
+1
I would also like to see a Tech 2 version with a jump drive. Like jump freighters you can limit the space a little bit for the needed fuel bay. Maybe make the T1 version fit 4 rigged tier 3 BS's and the tech 2 version 3. I could care less if they are allowed to enter high sec or not. If you want to make it a new cap I don't think there would be any objection to adding this. It's not a combat ship, can't fit any mods, can't deploy ships in space, no maintenance hangar and it's another cap target for people to hunt
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D'Tell Annoh
4Sight Enterprises Pulsar Prime
25
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:22:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:D'Tell Annoh wrote:Why make 4 different racial versions of basically the same ship?
Just make it an ORE ship. There are multiple reason you would not have a single ORE ship:
- RP Reason: Of the non-empire factions the ORE is the least likely to be using one of these for hauling entire ships around - they already have a ship for that. This task would likely fall to the InterBus. InterBus maintains careful neutrality and would not be caught dead ferrying anything that could be considered militaristic (ie: warships). This is what makes Imperial Shipment, CBD Corporation, Transstellar Shipping, and Freedom Extension stay in business.
- Practical RP reason: An ORE variant of the ship would have the highest amount of HP in shields. Amarr and Gallente would make their own versions that would be more suited for being supported by Oneires. Guardians, Thanates, or Archons.
- Practical reason: Many pilots have already trained one racial Industrial to V for the use of blockade runners, deep space transports, or freighters. This ship is designed to be useful not only from the perspective of industrial pilots but also from the point of combat pilots that are changing base.
Good points all around. I still think it's going the long way around to get to where you want to go, but I see your thinking.
What if the ship had an array of bonuses for each level in racial industrial? Like a bonus to shields for each level of one race, and a a bonus to armor for another, align time for another... etc... Does that just invite abuse? It would make people who have cross trained a lot more powerful potentially, but really when you consider the nature of the ship it doesn't seem so bad. No high slots and only a couple low and medium slots doesn't sound like this could be turned into a war machine - it's a tug.
I've never really understood why there are so few ships that don't fall neatly into a faction's category. I'd prefer to see a big pile of ships that aren't built to fit the stereotypes of a given race.
I still support your idea. This just seems more like an ORE ship from my RP point of view. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
492
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Posted - 2012.01.21 07:07:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:I'm drafting a full stat layout now. Should be able to provide more information by Sunday.
Well, anything you have I am more than willing to take into account (and add in the form of an edit to the original posting with the stats, etc) and of course, credit given where credit is due. Thanks for the help bro. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
492
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:33:00 -
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Come on everyone. Tell your friends. If you like this idea help gain it some support! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:36:00 -
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D'Tell Annoh wrote:I still support your idea. This just seems more like an ORE ship from my RP point of view.
ORE wouldn't make something like this because, let's be honest, they don't need to. Their "security" is currently provided by the Serpentis and when things are going well for them they contract out to Mordu's Legion. All of their ships can easily be hauled around in a Rorqual or Orca.
If we wanted to ascribe these ships to any neutral NPC it would likely be InterBus, which would only work if we said it was a stolen InterBus design, as they themselves would never release it to any single Empire. |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:10:00 -
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Monolith Proposal
Monolith is done. Took me longer than expected. Might want to take a break before doing the other 3. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
492
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Posted - 2012.01.21 23:56:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:Monolith ProposalMonolith is done. Took me longer than expected. Might want to take a break before doing the other 3.
Holy **** dude. You've outdone yourself, big time. This is absolutely ****ing epic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Rendaw
The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
5
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:07:00 -
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its a really cool idea for sure. +1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
492
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Posted - 2012.01.22 07:00:00 -
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Thanks so much for all of the support on this idea. Let's keep it rolling and hope it gets some notice. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
493
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:18:00 -
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The stats for the Pelican, Bedouin and Pillar are still a work in progress. When they get done, I'm sure Domu will post them up. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Domukuan II
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.01.23 08:06:00 -
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Domu is delayed due to stomach flu. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
493
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:45:00 -
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Domukuan II wrote:Domu is delayed due to stomach flu.
No bueno. Get well soon. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
493
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Posted - 2012.01.25 00:21:00 -
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Giving this a bump for all the space truckers out there. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
493
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:41:00 -
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Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
494
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Posted - 2012.01.27 03:26:00 -
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To all those who are in support of this idea, get more people involved. Bump for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Merritoff
Zod's Minions
5
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:56:00 -
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Just as a observation. When I read the title I thought this would be a suggestion for a small frigate sized vessel which logistic projection for agility for faster warp for freighters and similiar slow ships.
If I can be bold and suggest a name change to "Ferry Class". Like the large ocean going ships that get used to move automobiles.
Still, given you a like - excellent idea. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
495
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Posted - 2012.01.28 04:00:00 -
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Merritoff wrote:Just as a observation. When I read the title I thought this would be a suggestion for a small frigate sized vessel which logistic projection for agility for faster warp for freighters and similiar slow ships.
If I can be bold and suggest a name change to "Ferry Class". Like the large ocean going ships that get used to move automobiles.
Still, given you a like - excellent idea.
Actually, the name has been changed as far as class, and that is to "Envoy Class" "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
495
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Posted - 2012.01.28 20:51:00 -
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The Envoy-class, if realized, would revolutionize the logistical side of warfare in New Eden. So let's get some more support for this thing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
+1 for the space tug! |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
86
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Posted - 2012.01.29 02:46:00 -
[58] - Quote
This is one type of ship I most definitly would like to fly.
Supported. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
27
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Posted - 2012.01.29 04:12:00 -
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Supported. Imagine the possibilities. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
498
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:04:00 -
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I appreciate all of the support this is garnering. Let's see if we can keep this thing going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
505
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:14:00 -
[61] - Quote
Another bump in support of the space truckers who help with the logistics side of warfare. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
10
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:45:00 -
[62] - Quote
I generally like the principle. but if you are going to call the ship class a tug abandon the dedicated cargo hold suggestion. give them exclusive access to three capital class tractor beams and have all four vessels fly in formation.
the towed vessels should be (1) empty of pod pilots (2) have all modules offline so that if a pirate gang was to intercept they could board the vessels but would have a helluva time delay to get them started and a logistics problem to suss out about what to do with their original ship. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
505
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:I generally like the principle. but if you are going to call the ship class a tug abandon the dedicated cargo hold suggestion. give them exclusive access to three capital class tractor beams and have all four vessels fly in formation.
the towed vessels should be (1) empty of pod pilots (2) have all modules offline so that if a pirate gang was to intercept they could board the vessels but would have a helluva time delay to get them started and a logistics problem to suss out about what to do with their original ship.
Since initial work it has been changed to Envoy-class. And the External towing of ships would be a mechanics nightmare. That, and it is just downright ridiculous. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
511
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:56:00 -
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Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
10
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Posted - 2012.02.03 09:32:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote: Since initial work it has been changed to Envoy-class. And the External towing of ships would be a mechanics nightmare. That, and it is just downright ridiculous.
Fair enough, I can understand you wanting the functionality sooner rather than later, but, they are going to have to work on formations as some point. When they do, it would be unbelievable not to see tractor towed ships. It is an ubiquitous sci-fi utility.
Tractor mods need some attention, there is a whole host of stuff that should be legal to tow that isnt.
I'm suggesting that this class of ship would benefit from the development of the formations mech, and an iteration of the tractor mechs.
What would be even better in my opinion is an open skeletal ship model that showed the contents of it's hull. But that would open up a whole different can of worms. |
Dario Welling
IX Legio Hispana Aquila Viking Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
+1 very good idea nothing to add |
Lavayar
Russian SOBR SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 12:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
Supported.
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Shingorash
S T R A T C O M NEM3SIS.
8
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:25:00 -
[68] - Quote
Not a bad idea, not something I would use personally as I just sell all my stuff and move on so I dont have to move anything.
I see the use though for some people... |
Zaxix
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
29
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Posted - 2012.02.03 15:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
I'm always mystified by the suggestions for creating entire classes of ships simply to save money on rigs. All that coding, balancing, art resources, blueprints, construction calculations, etc. just because people don't want to strip rigs off their ships. Being able to carry 3 rigged battleships is the equivalent of carrying 1.5million or more m3, which far exceeds the capacity of any other ship in eve, including carriers. You can move 2 rigged battleships in a freighter using courier contracts. If the only purpose of the ship is to move rigged ships and all it CAN move are rigged ships, then its pointless. Just strip the rigs off the BS already.
Not supported. Red Frog--Hisec Courier Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
513
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Posted - 2012.02.04 00:47:00 -
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The idea behind it is not just to have it and fly it just because you can. The idea is to save money and further immersion and flesh out ship roles a little more, and to add another aspect to the game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
515
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:54:00 -
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The backbone of any warfighting operation is timely logistical support. This would allow for additional vessels to be supplied to pilots in an expedient manner. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Vasya Kosyakov
Ad Astra Vexillum THE UNTHINKABLES
2
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:28:00 -
[72] - Quote
+1 For me, now bring me those ships BLACK FROG! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
516
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
The amount of feedback (mostly positive, and very little negative) is astounding. Let's keep this idea moving in a forward direction.
If you must make negative feedback, at least propose something that would be helpful as a tweak.
But then again, there hasn't been much in the terms of feedback that has been hollow and negative.
Let's get some CSM and Dev input on this. Keep the ideas and support flowing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Maikahn
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
1
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:22:00 -
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I like this idea. Hauling ships around is a pain. Shuttling back 'n forth takes a good deal of time, time I rather spend shooting. No slots, no ejection option. +1 from me. |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
17
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:51:00 -
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Still thank this is a great plan |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
521
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Posted - 2012.02.07 06:28:00 -
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Zanban wrote:Still thank this is a great plan
And I refuse to let this one quietly fade into obscurity.
Let's get some support and input folks! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
522
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:03:00 -
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Bump for exposure to hopefully draw some more love for the space truckers.
We need new ships!!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
522
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:49:00 -
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Bump of the day to get more exposure/support for the idea! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Amaya Blaze
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Great idea.
I also like the idea of small tug class vessels with remote agility and align speed or other such modules for getting big ships into and out of stations faster.
I would like to point out that the gank level of this ship needs to be somewhere about the 1.5 bil or so mark otherwise it will just be a large juicy target for any destroyer group. If you can carry around battleships in warp you need to be massively large and consequently very tough target just based on size alone. The ship in space also needs to dwarf all other ship models by a good margin because seriously, it should be big enough to look like it can swallow other ships. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
527
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Posted - 2012.02.13 05:33:00 -
[80] - Quote
Can we get some more love for this idea? I think we can.
Is there a Dev or CSM member in the house? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:16:00 -
[81] - Quote
Bump, this needs some more support |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:35:00 -
[82] - Quote
I support this idea.
+1 |
BIGTEX123
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:28:00 -
[83] - Quote
I'm not a freighter pilot but it's still a great idea. Definitely to get someone else to haul my BS's across space for me....oh and the tears that would fall if it was ganked. =D |
Davader
Space Cleaners Bright Side of Death
23
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
973
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:51:00 -
[85] - Quote
Davader wrote:That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho.
Agreed. Getting SMAs and corp hangars to drop loot really needs to be done. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:16:00 -
[86] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Because it is designed as a Tier 2 Freighter.
I think a ship like this should be tier 3 or 4. Make it require racial freighter 5
It would fill the gap in capital ships between the regular freighters and jump freighters. Much like the covetor is a step between the retriever and hulk but needs level 5 skills.
If it was to be an ORE ship it would be cool to have it a tech 2 version of the ORCA. Drop it to 1 utility high slot, no gang link modules, no ORE hold, minimal cargo hold, leave the corp hanger, drastically increase the ship maintenance hanger so it can hold 2-3 battleships. No jump drive as there would be no room for it with the expanded ship maintenance hanger. and you could customize the tank, passive buffer tank or active tank how ever you see fit. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:19:00 -
[87] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Davader wrote:That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho. Agreed. Getting SMAs and corp hangars to drop loot really needs to be done.
For added depth it would be cool if items/ships in the corp hanger or ship maintenance arrays dropped in locked containers that needed to be hacked before being looted. It would add some differentiation between regular cargo and give the owner a chance to retrieve the stuff before it gets looted.
ships though might have to drop as a whole ship as in sitting in space with no pilot as the only ship capable of looting an assembled battleship would be a carrier. then the tug/freighter pilot could try to jump into one of the ships that dropped when they get ganked. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
545
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:15:00 -
[88] - Quote
Bump for more support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:16:00 -
[89] - Quote
I think this is a really good idea although personally I'd like to see the tug being able to pull any ship that exists.
Either way, I've liked the post.
I know this is cheeky, but what the hell.
At the moment I'm standing for the CSM. I'd be very be happy to raise this idea if I get voted in. Obviously this is a big 'if'. The first stage of this is making the shortlist. At the moment I'm quite a few 'likes' short of the 100 that I need to get onto the ballot.
If you wanted to help me on my way with a 'like' for my election post, I'd really appreciate the support. Obviously if other support that you send my way would also be very gratefully received.
. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
551
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:18:00 -
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Mu'ad Diib wrote:I think this is a really good idea although personally I'd like to see the tug being able to pull any ship that exists.
Either way, I've liked the post.
I know this is cheeky, but what the hell.
At the moment I'm standing for the CSM. I'd be very be happy to raise this idea if I get voted in. Obviously this is a big 'if'. The first stage of this is making the shortlist. At the moment I'm quite a few 'likes' short of the 100 that I need to get onto the ballot.
If you wanted to help me on my way with a 'like' for my election post, I'd really appreciate the support. Obviously if other support that you send my way would also be very gratefully received.
. Nice shameless plug.
Sorry mate, I already know what candidate I'm supporting.
And let's stay on topic please. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Dipluz
Notorious Legion Mildly Intoxicated
3
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:22:00 -
[91] - Quote
stop beeing lazy, NO a carrier can already move 1-2 battleships in its ship maintanance array, we dont need duplicate ships. especially ships which requires 0 risk! |
Kimbeau Surveryor
Stapeley House
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:04:00 -
[92] - Quote
Not sure if I've missed a discussion, but will the ship bay be scannable, and if so to what level of information? Doesn't really matter unless ships can drop, but my personal view is that it makes gameplay more interesting if it can be scanned (preferably including modules in the ships) -- and this also slightly protects newer players who like shipping their cheap T1 fleet around.
Can one of these beasts scoop a ship parked in space, like freighters can scoop GFCs? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
808
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:40:00 -
[93] - Quote
Me supports this excellent idea because it's needed.
Also: -would this ship bay be restricted to only assembled ships or packaged ones too? -restricted to ships only and so no minerals/loot/cans whatever. Because if I agree with the first one (assembled) I'd completely disagree with the later. There are already frighters for this purpose and Jump Capable Freighters can also bring package ships.
Something different and nasty to train for and something individuals as megacorps would want in thier assets?
My humble opinion would be that this ship had a single version of it and since it's a very exposed ship (hello cargo scanners) it would be capable of jumps directly in high sec (only 0.5) but at very high fuel cost (high sec *blahblah stuff* increase 500% fuel consumption etc) Normal jump abilities in low sec and increase by 25% jump range in null sec - not because of risk because you'll take hundred more time risk undocking at jita than in null sec. The idea is to give alliances and corps an expensive and capable logistics ship to move stuff at far distances without being spoted and open new tactics of invasion or evasion. |
Kimbeau Surveryor
Stapeley House
2
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Posted - 2012.02.18 12:52:00 -
[94] - Quote
How does this beast interact with courier contracts? Can you make a contract for moving a ship (or ships) which this hauler can fulfil, and if so, how is it clear which contracts can be done with this hauler?
I'm thinking that corps may well want to offer the service of moving missioneers from one agent to another, for example. |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
21
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Posted - 2012.02.18 15:13:00 -
[95] - Quote
Dipluz wrote:stop beeing lazy, NO a carrier can already move 1-2 battleships in its ship maintanance array, we dont need duplicate ships. especially ships which requires 0 risk! I don't thank you get the idea this support tug ship is designed to be a ship to move around your other big ships so you not have to repackage them and loseing your rigs. Yes a carrier can haul 1-2 battleships bit they can't be used in high sec space. Before you say drop the care bear act no that I'm not a care bear and do enjoy pvp and low sec but I also enjoy running missions. Also I have different battleships that I like to use to make it more interesting to run missions. For that I don't want to jump 20 jumps then go back and get my other ships 2-3 times. This support tug ship is perfect for this. Plus it could be a good idea for null as well not sure however |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
811
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Posted - 2012.02.18 16:27:00 -
[96] - Quote
Zanban wrote:This support tug ship is perfect for this. Plus it could be a good idea for null as well not sure however
For someone like me that is not willing to train Capitals with my character to get stuck in some Nyx, and believe me I really love that ship, this Tug would be the perfect ship.
I'm not willing neither to put 5B in a crappy jump freighter that can't hold my fitted ships and cargo (hello nanite paste CCP?)
I do have to train for a carrier just for my own logistics because the price is acceptable, I can load 2 fitted BS or several other ships, have a corp hangar etc, so if I don't have the choice but to move I'll be free to do it by my own.
This is where the Tug ship idea is awsome, just fill the ships cargo with your stuff, put your ships in the Tug undock, jump to cyno and dock. 2min logistics = more time to play around Could also be a new service for corps and help a lot of players with stuff stuck in null stations |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
558
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:49:00 -
[97] - Quote
It will also create a new opportunity for Freight Corporations. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
558
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:51:00 -
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Kimbeau Surveryor wrote:How does this beast interact with courier contracts? Can you make a contract for moving a ship (or ships) which this hauler can fulfil, and if so, how is it clear which contracts can be done with this hauler?
I'm thinking that corps may well want to offer the service of moving missioneers from one agent to another, for example. Courier missions for other ships would be an interesting subject, as courier packages are a pain in the ****. But seeing as how a fitted ship would be in the courier container, I don't see why it wouldn't work out with courier contracts. But, if there was anything other than an assembled ship in the courier container, the ship would not be able to haul it. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
559
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Posted - 2012.02.19 19:43:00 -
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Bump for more exposure and support.
I would like to see this idea taking on a role in New Eden. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
560
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:15:00 -
[100] - Quote
Let's add more fuel to this fire. Bumping for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
134
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:14:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:I appreciate all of the support this is garnering. Let's see if we can keep this thing going.
Indeed, Jack. Would be nice to see this class of vessel in game. |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
41
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:44:00 -
[102] - Quote
Not supported as is. I think it's a better idea to transform supercarriers for this role. Essentially they'd be like ship hangar arrays in POSes but mobile and with the typical supercarrier tank. You can change strategies on the fly with them, and replace losses very quickly. It'd also be even more of a pain to lose.
Then you could remove the turrets from Titans and tweak the way doomsdays work to be a solid counter. Two birds, one stone. Supercap problem solved. Supercarriers function more like carriers ought to, and Titans are no longer wtfbbqpwnmobiles to anything but cap ships. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
135
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:53:00 -
[103] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Not supported as is. I think it's a better idea to transform supercarriers for this role. Essentially they'd be like ship hangar arrays in POSes but mobile and with the typical supercarrier tank. You can change strategies on the fly with them, and replace losses very quickly. It'd also be even more of a pain to lose.
Then you could remove the turrets from Titans and tweak the way doomsdays work to be a solid counter. Two birds, one stone. Supercap problem solved. Supercarriers function more like carriers ought to, and Titans are no longer wtfbbqpwnmobiles to anything but cap ships.
Would be interesting to hear your idea as to how a super carrier would be allowed into hi sec, or do people only move ships in null/low sec? |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
43
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Posted - 2012.02.26 00:39:00 -
[104] - Quote
Smiling Menace wrote:Would be interesting to hear your idea as to how a super carrier would be allowed into hi sec, or do people only move ships in null/low sec?
That's actually a really good question. I don't have a solid answer, but I'm open to suggestions.
A couple things I thought of, off the top of my head, which are probably the most obvious answers ..
Option 1) Caps/Supercaps supposedly can't use stargates because of some sort of mass limitation on the stargates themselves. By this logic, any ship that is capable of carrying multiple rigged, unpackaged battleships also wouldn't be able to fit through a stargate. Therefore, these ships would not work in highsec but still be viable in low/nullsec where their force-projection capabilities are most needed anyway. It may not be the most pleasant answer, but then again by the same token how easy should it be for a nullsec alliance, or anyone really, to cross from one end of the galaxy to the other? Something important to consider.
Option 2) Allow them to use stargates, but still not be able to cyno in highsec. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense by the lore as far as I understand it, but if it must be done for some reason beyond "How awesome would it be if ..." then that's one way.
Option 3) Special cyno for supercarriers ("motherships" if you will, like they used to be called.) It'd work in highsec. Again, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but you can write it into the lore as a new tech breakthrough or that this new, modulated cyno is permitted by CONCORD. It's still very important to consider the ramifications of giving nullsec quick and easy access to regions far, far from their home turf (naps are already a pretty rampant problem according to some of us, and why bother fighting your neighbors when you can fight someone really far away at your relative liesure?)
Based on these knee-jerk options, I like the idea of keeping this sort of force-projection ability out of highsec. I am open to discussion and suggestions though, for sure. I don't have all the answers, just feedback as a really old player. :) I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Tyran Scorpi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
Smiling Menace wrote: Would be interesting to hear your idea as to how a super carrier would be allowed into hi sec, or do people only move ships in null/low sec?
Letting any capital ships into high sec would be a bad idea IMO. Carriers are only slightly larger than freighters to begin with, yet they cant use jump gates, which leads me to believe that they aren't allowed in high sec because concord doesn't want them there.
A freighter designed to carry rigged ships would need to be bigger than a standard freighter I would think, so why not make it a teir 2 freighter instead of tech 2? Then you could always add a tech 2 variant of your ship hauler with a lowered maint bay capacity and a jump drive. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
564
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:18:00 -
[106] - Quote
It is designed to be a Tier 2 Freighter, so that later down the line, a Tech 2 (jump-capable) version can be produced. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Tyran Scorpi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.02.27 05:59:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:It is designed to be a Tier 2 Freighter, so that later down the line, a Tech 2 (jump-capable) version can be produced.
ah ok, it sounded like it would be based on the freighter hull to start with, so, my mistake. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
144
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Posted - 2012.02.27 23:18:00 -
[108] - Quote
Tyran Scorpi wrote:Smiling Menace wrote: Would be interesting to hear your idea as to how a super carrier would be allowed into hi sec, or do people only move ships in null/low sec?
Letting any capital ships into high sec would be a bad idea IMO. Carriers are only slightly larger than freighters to begin with, yet they cant use jump gates, which leads me to believe that they aren't allowed in high sec because concord doesn't want them there. A freighter designed to carry rigged ships would need to be bigger than a standard freighter I would think, so why not make it a teir 2 freighter instead of tech 2? Then you could always add a tech 2 variant of your ship hauler with a lowered maint bay capacity and a jump drive.
I was being sardonic with that post.
What I actually meant was don't just assume that this proposal is for low/null sec as people do still need to move ships around hi sec space as well.
This proposal would benefit all.
Oh and by the way? Freighters, Jump Freighters and Orcas are capital ships and they are already used in hi sec. As long as this ship does not have a direct combat capability, it would just be following on from the capital ships already allowed in hi sec.
Still would like to see a Tug class ship solely for moving ships. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:08:00 -
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The only "combat" capability one of these ship classes would have would be purely defensive modules. Modules designed to break locks, and assist in escaping hostilities. And some base tank modules. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
566
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:55:00 -
[110] - Quote
Another bump for the future of logistics in game. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
154
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:26:00 -
[111] - Quote
We seem to be missing a Tug class ship here. Would be nice to see these in game. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
566
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:11:00 -
[112] - Quote
I know plenty of people that move frequently due to operations within their corporations. So, this would be exceptionally useful to them.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
567
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:14:00 -
[113] - Quote
And... bump for exposure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
568
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:41:00 -
[114] - Quote
This would be a nice fill to a hole in the logistical aspects of warfare in New Eden. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1057
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Posted - 2012.03.05 23:04:00 -
[115] - Quote
Please remember that bumping threads are prohibited according forum rule #12. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
163
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Posted - 2012.03.05 23:13:00 -
[116] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Please remember that bumping threads are prohibited according forum rule #12.
I don't think Jack was bumping. I think he was highlighting a need for further exposure to a good idea and was very eager to garner more support by keeping this topic in the eyes of his peers.
If he was, I am sure he meant no offence or to break any rules as Jack is a very fine and upstanding player of EVE that would never break any rules.
Saying that, this is a good idea and I doubt it would break the the game to have a ship dedicated to the moving of other ships. Another isk sink that CCP is very fond of.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
568
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Posted - 2012.03.06 02:13:00 -
[117] - Quote
CCP Phantom wrote:Please remember that bumping threads are prohibited according forum rule #12.
Ehh, oops.
But as Menace said, I was just trying to keep this idea in the eyes of my peers to garner more support for something that would be extremely useful, and non-game breaking. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Aren Valle
Lonetrek Mineral Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:02:00 -
[118] - Quote
The idea of ship mass being prohibitive isn't necessarily an issue. We are talking about a tug after all, which is really nothing more than a cockpit and engines with a framework in between to attach ships. Not really a terribly large amount of mass there. The anchor points wouldn't even need to be enclosed. You don't see it with tow-trucks or even most auto trailers for semis, and this is basically the same idea. |
Kaylana Kavees
StarFire Industrialist Exchange
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
A tug ship for the rivers of space, sort of like how a river barge needs a tug to tow or push it along. But in this case the ships are housed within the tug if I am understanding correctly.
It could be a novel idea and would facilitate moving fleets around easier and would open up a new market. I agree no launching from the bay. Would need to dock up at a station before the ships could be unloaded.
I think the +.06 should only be on a t2 variant though or it would be to strong against a fleet trying to lock it down, once the skill was maxed out.
No on jump drive for a t1 variant, but maybe on t2 variant it would be feasible. The young never do as they are told, The old never do as they say. |
Malcorath Sacerdos
Deep Space Equinox
16
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:47:00 -
[120] - Quote
This is a great idea!
not that it will benefit me personally since i live in WH but its still a great idea !
+1 |
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knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
50
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:42:00 -
[121] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am a little confused as to why another transport ship of any kind is needed right now...but...whatever...more diversity can't hurt.
+1
Look at it this way. I'm an average null sec grunt. I have a ton of ships all fitted out and I need to go on deployment. I want to move a bunch of them in one go and I don't want to repackage them so I can send them via JF.
Right now I can do it in a carrier which is great. But thats all what I use my carrier for and it doesn't fit that many rigged ships in it when we're talking battleships sizes.
Jack Carrigan wrote:This would be a nice fill to a hole in the logistical aspects of warfare in New Eden.
We sort of already have it, its a carrier.
What I think we need is another carrier type for each race which has a much large ship maintenance bay but reduced or removed drone bay and a different set of bonuses to reflect its role. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:02:00 -
[122] - Quote
As a hi-sec missioner, I'd love to see this. I change my base of operations from time to time, following contacts or for RP. It's a gigantic pain in my backside to jump each of my ships system to system from A to B, while also having to plan on bringing enough shuttles with the first transport so I can shell game my way back and forth until they're all moved. I already have a Mammoth for hauling goods to Rens for sale, and for shuttling my own cargo (with plans to upgrade to a Prowler for lo-sec runs). If I could have something analogous for my personal fleet, it would simplify things immensely, and let me get on with the business of blowing things up.
Excellent idea, I hope to see it shake out in the ship re-org. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
569
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:29:00 -
[123] - Quote
Aeril Malkyre wrote:As a hi-sec missioner, I'd love to see this. I change my base of operations from time to time, following contacts or for RP. It's a gigantic pain in my backside to jump each of my ships system to system from A to B, while also having to plan on bringing enough shuttles with the first transport so I can shell game my way back and forth until they're all moved. I already have a Mammoth for hauling goods to Rens for sale, and for shuttling my own cargo (with plans to upgrade to a Prowler for lo-sec runs). If I could have something analogous for my personal fleet, it would simplify things immensely, and let me get on with the business of blowing things up.
Excellent idea, I hope to see it shake out in the ship re-org. Why thank you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
41
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Posted - 2012.03.08 02:59:00 -
[124] - Quote
A ship that carries things, perhaps instead of a tug-class vessel we could call them carriers.
For highsec, it's called a freighter. The Charon is pretty much as big as you can get without being able to fit packaged capital ships. It can fit 3 BCs like you suggest. Just fix the whole thing with not being able to haul it without using a courier contract, and everything is fine. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
569
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:47:00 -
[125] - Quote
Another thing about this proposed vessel is that it will (unlike carriers) be able to operate in high security space, and won't require ships to be packaged. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
52
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:19:00 -
[126] - Quote
I really hope that such a ship would never be allowed in highsec. It's already too easy to move halfway across the galaxy. EVE doesn't seem very big anymore. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
576
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:33:00 -
[127] - Quote
There's this little thing called "progress." I know it scares most people. But advancements in technology (especially given the current setting of EVE), would allow for such breakthroughs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
582
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Posted - 2012.04.04 06:26:00 -
[128] - Quote
This is needed. Bring it to reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Justin Ackaris
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:26:00 -
[129] - Quote
We need to keep this idea alive - at least until it becomes reality. This is will be of great benefit to pilots in null, low and highsec if nothing other than as a target. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
583
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Posted - 2012.04.09 03:45:00 -
[130] - Quote
Show your support! Keep the dream alive until it becomes a reality! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
585
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:32:00 -
[131] - Quote
Would be nice to get some Dev or CSM input on this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:27:00 -
[132] - Quote
+1 Supported
I would say Min. Skill requirement though is Freighter III. Also if there was JF version of the Tug, It would Require Freighter V and Jump Freighter IV. Additionally Balanced with Fuel cost for jumping such a large Heavy Load!
But Seriously just the Freighter Variant itself is needed! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
587
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:03:00 -
[133] - Quote
Teshania wrote:+1 Supported
I would say Min. Skill requirement though is Freighter III. Also if there was JF version of the Tug, It would Require Freighter V and Jump Freighter IV. Additionally Balanced with Fuel cost for jumping such a large Heavy Load!
But Seriously just the Freighter Variant itself is needed!
Thanks for the input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Michael Loney
Hyperdoughnut Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:52:00 -
[134] - Quote
Great Idea! I too am moving my mission running around and the shuttle leap-frog back and forth is tedious to say the least.
Small improvement / suggestion?
Add a new option called 'secure for travel' , similar to repackaging but just secures the ship for travel in a Envoy-class ship hold. This would require a component to used like a framework for each class / size of ship. They would be simple T1 gear that can be made anywhere but would add some cost to the whole operation and would be sold and traded. Each Envoy-class would have a separate bay for holding collapsed frames. Even make them take damage per usage so you need to either keep stock or a blueprint handy to make more. Maybe a T2 variant with a password lock so you can secure a rigged ship, password it then contract it for travel but keep it password locked so the chance of theft goes down.
Options: - A frame locked ship cannot be entered with a pod so even if the ship pops out on destruction it cannot be boarded. This also opens the options for trading / swapping rigged ships in space. Still need a station / POS to get into it but can be dropped in space and unless someone has another Envoy-class they can't pick up the ships.
- A T2 frame locked ship will only reveal what class of ship is inside, no other details.
Just my 2 cents. |
Deckington Forgecaster
Tradesman Connection Centrum of Trade Taurus Quantum Dynamics
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 00:29:00 -
[135] - Quote
Why haven't we got this yet? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
593
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Posted - 2012.04.21 03:26:00 -
[136] - Quote
Michael Loney wrote:Great Idea! I too am moving my mission running around and the shuttle leap-frog back and forth is tedious to say the least.
Small improvement / suggestion?
Add a new option called 'secure for travel' , similar to repackaging but just secures the ship for travel in a Envoy-class ship hold. This would require a component to used like a framework for each class / size of ship. They would be simple T1 gear that can be made anywhere but would add some cost to the whole operation and would be sold and traded. Each Envoy-class would have a separate bay for holding collapsed frames. Even make them take damage per usage so you need to either keep stock or a blueprint handy to make more. Maybe a T2 variant with a password lock so you can secure a rigged ship, password it then contract it for travel but keep it password locked so the chance of theft goes down.
Options: - A frame locked ship cannot be entered with a pod so even if the ship pops out on destruction it cannot be boarded. This also opens the options for trading / swapping rigged ships in space. Still need a station / POS to get into it but can be dropped in space and unless someone has another Envoy-class they can't pick up the ships.
- A T2 frame locked ship will only reveal what class of ship is inside, no other details.
Just my 2 cents.
Excellent suggestions! Thank you so much. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Skitterball
Deafening Silence Syndiate
1
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:10:00 -
[137] - Quote
I personally LOVE this idea, it's awesome! Orca is just slightly too small, and Carriers, well we can't have those in High Sec. Let us see a "Tug" that has say 700m3 worth of transport bay, and we would be able to do alot more then what we are currently. I also agree on the Freighter III skills.
Let it work the same as the current ship maint bay, with the exception of being able to launch/trade in space, I like it! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
593
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Posted - 2012.04.21 15:23:00 -
[138] - Quote
Good input from everyone. If only we could get Dev input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Aero089
Exiled. The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2012.04.21 21:45:00 -
[139] - Quote
I have a topic up on this forum for this same reason, I too find a lot of difficulty in moving large quantities of ships around. We try to move to where the action is on the map as the war front moves up (and at one point dissolves), but currently it is a pain to move. We can't deploy battleships because sooner or later, that needs to be moved too and that's far too costly to do by carrier.
I didn't want to introduce a new form of ship for this as, indeed, EVE already has a lot of different transport vessels as it is. Instead, I wanted to squat the problem at its core - the rigs. If rigs were to be removable, ships can be repackaged without loss and transported by readily available means.
My support goes to whichever idea lessens the load on moving ships around, be it mine or yours. |
Kattrina Incandenza
Incandenza Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2012.04.23 05:35:00 -
[140] - Quote
I like this idea, either as an ORE ship or as a faction specific ships. Why ORE? Easier for our friends at CCP to make one ship than to have them make 4 or 5. I'm not abundantly concerned if the majority of people only trained one factional transport and there are plenty of other things of a non-military nature that ORE might have used this sort of technology to do... but really its more that I'd like to see this sooner than later, and sooner is 1-2 ships rather than a half a dozen.
+1 |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
595
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:02:00 -
[141] - Quote
Kattrina Incandenza wrote:I like this idea, either as an ORE ship or as a faction specific ships. Why ORE? Easier for our friends at CCP to make one ship than to have them make 4 or 5. I'm not abundantly concerned if the majority of people only trained one factional transport and there are plenty of other things of a non-military nature that ORE might have used this sort of technology to do... but really its more that I'd like to see this sooner than later, and sooner is 1-2 ships rather than a half a dozen.
+1
ORE wouldn't get involved in anything that could be remotely considered military operations (and transport of military vessels would fall into that category). And each factional group would select the group that is more involved in mass transit/transport to get things going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Sepheir Sepheron
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
26
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Posted - 2012.04.23 16:29:00 -
[142] - Quote
Wait I don't get it why don't you just get a carrier? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
595
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Posted - 2012.04.25 06:56:00 -
[143] - Quote
The future of actual logistics (as opposed to logistics ships) is just in need of getting in the hands of the developers. We're not just talking nullsec either, we're talking this could be easily used all through New Eden, especially if an eventual T2 jump capable version were to come out.
If I feel like it tomorrow, I may actually break out the pencil and paper, and sketch up some ideas for the model for at least one of the races. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
595
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Posted - 2012.04.25 16:18:00 -
[144] - Quote
Okay, so I'm going to be cleaning my garage instead as I just moved in an attempt to turn it into personal space so I have a nice place to game. So the sketches will be waiting a few days. But keep the suggestions rolling, and try to get this idea to CSM or Dev attention. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
595
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Posted - 2012.04.26 15:52:00 -
[145] - Quote
So yeah, my sketching of the proposed vessel hulls didn't exactly come along, but I will get to it. Until then, please keep the ideas and suggestions rolling in. I will also be cleaning up the original post with some of the detailed ideas that have been given. Thank you all for your support and input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Corian Teranos
Among the Shadows Ex umbra.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:00:00 -
[146] - Quote
+1 i have been asking about civilian carriers for a long time now. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
598
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:50:00 -
[147] - Quote
Thanks for the support mate. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Corian Teranos
Among the Shadows Ex umbra.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:59:00 -
[148] - Quote
though considering CCP's general laziness instead of a whole new ship why not just give the existing ORCA Subsystem modules similar to the tengu and allow it to be configured for cargo, ship transport, even salvaging, and solo mining. basically turn the ship into a fully customizable multipurpose capital industrial platform |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
598
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:47:00 -
[149] - Quote
But, as I said, ORE wouldn't be caught dead hauling anything that could even be mistaken as military equipment. It goes back to them being a quasi-neutral party. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Silveratus Andreas
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:12:00 -
[150] - Quote
Now this is a ship I can get behind. Especially any time I move to a different section in space... Also helps to clear out a hanger for pirating XD
+1 |
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Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:44:00 -
[151] - Quote
You really should Evemail all the CSM with this thread ^^ .. make sure they get it so its presented to CCP. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
601
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:50:00 -
[152] - Quote
Not a bad idea. I think I might do just that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
601
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:09:00 -
[153] - Quote
Still taking suggestions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
602
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:57:00 -
[154] - Quote
In light of all of the support and suggestions received on this proposal, I have taken the time to forward the link to this proposal, as well as a personal message to the CSM requesting that they take a look at it.
Thank you for all of your support, suggestions, bitches, gripes and complaints regarding this proposal. I will keep all supporters of this proposal posted as to any feedback I receive. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
615
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:17:00 -
[155] - Quote
Still accepting input and suggestions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:45:00 -
[156] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Michael Loney wrote:Great Idea! I too am moving my mission running around and the shuttle leap-frog back and forth is tedious to say the least.
Small improvement / suggestion?
Add a new option called 'secure for travel' , similar to repackaging but just secures the ship for travel in a Envoy-class ship hold. This would require a component to used like a framework for each class / size of ship. They would be simple T1 gear that can be made anywhere but would add some cost to the whole operation and would be sold and traded. Each Envoy-class would have a separate bay for holding collapsed frames. Even make them take damage per usage so you need to either keep stock or a blueprint handy to make more. Maybe a T2 variant with a password lock so you can secure a rigged ship, password it then contract it for travel but keep it password locked so the chance of theft goes down.
Options: - A frame locked ship cannot be entered with a pod so even if the ship pops out on destruction it cannot be boarded. This also opens the options for trading / swapping rigged ships in space. Still need a station / POS to get into it but can be dropped in space and unless someone has another Envoy-class they can't pick up the ships.
- A T2 frame locked ship will only reveal what class of ship is inside, no other details.
Just my 2 cents. Excellent suggestions! Thank you so much.
this is an excellent idea indeed, makes it a tad tedius but also makes it not completely easy.
also there is one other thing ppl havn't thought of, having a new ship like this would help mineral prices (yes that means making them higher) by the fact that a LOT of mins would be needed to make these ships =) and as someone who mines for his pvp funds AND moves ships arround for said pvp i FULLY support this idea
+1 for me |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
616
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:55:00 -
[157] - Quote
Deckington Forgecaster wrote:Why haven't we got this yet?
I can only assume it has something to do with the carebears drowning out all good ideas with their incessant screaming, whining and crying that they should be absolutely safe from gankers in high sec, and Hulkageddon.
Short of that, I would assume it's because we haven't raised enough support for the idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:04:00 -
[158] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Deckington Forgecaster wrote:Why haven't we got this yet? I can only assume it has something to do with the carebears drowning out all good ideas with their incessant screaming, whining and crying that they should be absolutely safe from gankers in high sec, and Hulkageddon.
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one jack. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
617
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:53:00 -
[159] - Quote
Unfortunately the worthless carebears that want ISK just for the sake of having ISK, because there is no real purpose to them having it (as they'll never need to replace PvP ships), are the ones ****ing things up for the rest of us. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.05.10 14:56:00 -
[160] - Quote
yup =( |
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
73
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:27:00 -
[161] - Quote
free bump for a good idea |
Alnaria Fizolna
Hampton Kardin Corporation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:50:00 -
[162] - Quote
Great ideas here =) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
624
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Posted - 2012.05.12 18:08:00 -
[163] - Quote
Why thank you.
It's refreshing to see more than the mindless sheep who continually spout off:
"It's called a carrier hurdur.."
"Get an Orca"
Considering both of those ships specialize for one thing or another, when this vessel in and of itself would be highly specialized for the job that it does. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Chapter 307 of the Underpants Gnomes Trade Union Obsidian Mining Coalition
8
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Posted - 2012.05.12 22:12:00 -
[164] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Why thank you.
It's refreshing to see more than the mindless sheep who continually spout off:
"It's called a carrier hurdur.."
"Get an Orca"
Considering both of those ships specialize for one thing or another, when this vessel in and of itself would be highly specialized for the job that it does.
exactly!
the orca was designed as an INDUSTRIAL COMMAND SHIP not a hauler. the ship bay is meant for indy ships and mining barges. sick of ppl saying just use it. also as we all know, carriers are low/null sec only.
we really do need a dedicated ship hauler.
it would bring in something new that required mins (allways good) and something new to gank.
NUFF SAID!!! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
625
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Posted - 2012.05.13 02:21:00 -
[165] - Quote
And just think of the ISK sink and market warfare. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Chapter 307 of the Underpants Gnomes Trade Union Obsidian Mining Coalition
9
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Posted - 2012.05.14 02:35:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:And just think of the ISK sink and market warfare.
Imagine indeed |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:03:00 -
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Also, imagine the tears if it got ganked and a large majority of the ships dropped. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.18 18:43:00 -
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Anyone else have any suggestions?
Let's keep this thing going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:52:00 -
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Need more support for this venture. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:06:00 -
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There are a plethora of reasons this should be implemented. So with that, let's get some more support and exposure to CSM/Devs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen Infernal Creations
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:11:00 -
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Bump cause I remember this taking off..... how long ago? lol hopefully CCP sees that is refusing to go down E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:35:00 -
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This idea was spawned in November of last year, and was posted in Features and Ideas first, and after the overwhelming feedback and support it received there, I brought it to Assembly Hall in January of this year. Once again, it was met with overwhelming support and feedback. This idea came to me as an idea of something that would prove to be extremely useful to just about anyone on all fronts for actual logistical applications. It would revolutionize the transport of warships across space (high/low/null) and would create a new sub-career path for those interested in mass transit.
As a result of the massive response I have gotten to this idea, I was given the suggestion of forwarding this to the CSM.
I was met with a less than promising response at first, however, the member of the CSM who I spoke with then said that they would look it over, and upon looking it over said that this was indeed an interesting idea and that they would keep it handy.
I still haven't gotten a chance to sketch what my vision of how the Envoy-class Vessels would look, but that's due to real life constraints. But, given the chance, I'll get them done eventually, and will post links to where the pictures are hosted as soon as I get them done.
So thank you all for your support, and no, I am not giving up, and not letting this idea go quietly into the night. Keep the posts coming, and let's turn this thing into a threadnaught of epic proportions. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:10:00 -
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Let's keep this idea fresh in the eyes of the masses. Everyone needs simplified logistical assets. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:56:00 -
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+1 I remember reading up a freighter and seeing that no, you can't lug around fitted ships which is ridiculous.
Forgive me if it's already been suggested, but an alternative implementation could be to add low slots to freighters. Pilots would then have a choice to fit Freighter-class cargo holds or ship hangars (or a mix). Power grid limits could make these slots useless for tanking (if that's a concern). Maybe we could call them TARP-class vessels. Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.23 22:43:00 -
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The initial sketch of the Bedouin-class is complete. Will post a link once I add more shading and get it scanned. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.05.24 03:43:00 -
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Still a bad ass idea and I support it 100% |
Serina Tsukaya
Lonetrek Trade and Industries Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.24 09:45:00 -
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A ship specially designed for this role isn't the worst idea in the world, but at the same time, there are two ships that cover some of the bases.
Supercarriers (aka Motherships) Titans.
Titan bridges can be used for quick redeployment and even be set up as a ferry system that people can use to move ships very quickly.
The titan has a 5 Million M3 Ship maintenance array.
Super carrier has a 2,5 Million m3 Ship maintenance array.
At the same time, there is a need for something that doesn't require that much resources for such logistics. Then again, how tanked would this tug be, and how viable would it be to actually use in hostile space?
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.24 17:30:00 -
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Well the issue is with those ships, is they can only be effectively utilized in low and nullsec. That leaves high sec shorted, but then again, you being a member of one of the nullsec blocs, I can't expect you to want anything to help high sec. I am putting forth this idea as something that will directly help everyone in New Eden, and not favor any one group.
Sure, in low sec and null sec, Supercarriers and Titans are effective.
But in high sec, the Orca is inadequate, as it is an Industrial Command Ship. It is not meant to haul ships around, and contracting involves having someone else accepting and then failing a contract, only to trade the item to you. A ship that could be utilized to actually haul these around rigged is ideal. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.05.24 21:14:00 -
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Still supported... |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.25 19:30:00 -
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Alright, as promised (after finally getting the time to sit down and do it), I have generated a rough sketch of the first of the Envoy-class vessels. It is a very rough sketch utilizing a mechanical pencil, pen and a traffic crash template I use for work.
So, after an exceedingly long wait, I give you the rough sketch for the Bedouin-class Envoy, which is the Minmatar vessel. As the concept is a Tech 1, Tier 2 Freighter, it is based on the Fenrir-class Freighter.
The picture can be found here:
http://shdop.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=156521203 "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.26 01:02:00 -
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Can I get some input on this design? I plan on working the Monolith next, then the Pelican and finally the Pillar. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen Infernal Creations
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Posted - 2012.05.26 06:01:00 -
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First thought was " an overweight Imperial Shuttle" But this has some potential, right now seems like a modified Fenrir so this seems something more like a tech 2 ship. But keep the ideas rolling and maybe we can see these on SISI by the next time it snows :D E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.26 06:08:00 -
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Thanks Angry. Like I said, next will be the Monolith when I get a chance to draw it. Hopefully I get a shot to do it sometime this week. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.26 17:24:00 -
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Well, here's a surprise for you. I finished the design for the Monolith last night, however, seem to be having some technical difficulties with my scanner. So as soon as I get that **** sorted out, I'll link it here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.27 18:25:00 -
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Still having tech difficulties with my scanner, so let's discuss the Bedouin for a bit "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 19:21:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Still having tech difficulties with my scanner, so let's discuss the Bedouin for a bit I know you've posted the pic, but for Minmatar, it would've been very cool to have exposed ship docks instead of internal bays. "Look at that! That thing's lugging two Machs! Get it!" Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.28 01:07:00 -
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The closed bays would make for easier design for the game versus having to put work in place for when this ship changes cargo. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.29 02:42:00 -
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Still having tech difficulties with the scanner. Going to have to be patient. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Koreli Stelios
Mining Manufacture and Muling
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Posted - 2012.05.29 17:12:00 -
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Hmm i wonder if it is part of the logistics that a ship of a certain size just needs to be repackaged and re assembled when transporting.
And what stops it being the case that to move even more of these ships people just package them up and use this type of ship.
But then it does add in multiple new career opportunities to the game, not least full ship manufacture from grit to fit ready for sale. Although considering almost everyone ends up using the same fit so its not like you could be doing custom fits for specific game styles to give an edge would that work?
I think these things should be considered but when it comes to it it is down to CCP to figure the ins and outs and the balance and i like it enough so you get my support. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.30 19:34:00 -
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With the issues my scanner is having, I'm going to just finish the other Envoys before I try to scan them. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.05.31 15:50:00 -
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In the mean time can I get some suggestions or ideas? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
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Posted - 2012.06.01 11:19:00 -
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So... You're proposing to have an actual carrier added? A ship capable of holding a fleet of smaller ships would be useful, both to PVE'ers, PVP'ers and miners. Miners would be able to store their valuable Hulks inside it when things come to kill them, leaving a gang of less valuable mining-ships, or maybe a few Destroyers to counter gankers with. PVE'ers would be able to have a Noctis stored, to save time when they need to go get the salvage-boat (they could just as well have a Noctis lying out here, unless they have two mission-runners who both want to salvage, which is just improbable. PvPers... I can't even begin to imagine how useful this would be to PvP'ers. They would be able to roam around in their small gangs with a single Tug carrying a bunch of spare ships.
Of course, this all assumes the Tug-ship's ship hangar can be accessed like the Orca's can, so they can change ships on the fly, and possibly even re-fit their ships, depending on the needs.
All in all, supported. It adds a lot of possibility to the sandbox, and I can't see why it shouldn't be added. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.01 18:07:00 -
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No, the bay wouldn't be accessible while in space. It is for one thing, and one thing only. Transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
26
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Posted - 2012.06.02 14:06:00 -
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Looks good jack I still support this idea Keep up the good work. The CSM should support this and do should the devs |
Dustbringer
Chimera Research
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Posted - 2012.06.03 15:04:00 -
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+1 |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:56:00 -
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Thanks for the input and support! Still working on the rest of the design sketches. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
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Posted - 2012.06.04 16:34:00 -
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Space tugs!!! +1 Support :) |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.04 17:32:00 -
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Let's get some more support! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:26:00 -
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Does anyone have any suggestions that could make this idea even better? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.09 05:09:00 -
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Hey all, just to give you an update, due to work constraints, I haven't had a chance to finish the designs for the other three Envoys.
But as a sidenote, we have a couple of volunteers who have offered to flesh them out to 3D models. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:02:00 -
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Anyone else have any suggestions? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics PNG Associates
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Posted - 2012.06.17 12:49:00 -
[202] - Quote
I thought this was going to be a post about a small tug that can pull unpiloted ships around a system or something. Something that would allow someone to sneak in a steal a ship out of a pos. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.18 16:15:00 -
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The mechanics and programming for something like that would turn out to be a pain in the ***. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Lady LeVessi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.20 18:25:00 -
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Supported, and asap please! I have 25 fully fitted Brutix I need transported 67 jumps! |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 21:03:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Anyone else have any suggestions? All in all this is a solid idea. I suspect that's why discussion has dried up a bit; there's nothing to argue against.
I'd love if we could call the ship class Heighliners. Probably an issue with the Dune IP there, but Herbert named them after Heinlein. RAH-class? Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:52:00 -
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Nice Dune reference. But I'm going to go ahead and stick with Envoys. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.28 07:41:00 -
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Come on folks. Let's keep it going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
knobber Jobbler
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Posted - 2012.06.28 12:48:00 -
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+1 If I lived in High Sec I'd certainly get one. Much needed ship! |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.29 15:40:00 -
[209] - Quote
WTB: One Gallente Envoy-class vessel. Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
Rynar Johnson
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
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Posted - 2012.06.29 21:22:00 -
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I definitely like the sound of this, especially given how much OSD moves home base. Also, I can only imagine the opportunity if the ships fell out at destruction. /transition to cinematographer mode...
A lone tug shudders as it falls out of warp, just out of reach of the gate. Suddenly she is set upon by a fleet of of pirates as the pinpoint her vitals and in a flash the hull is ruptured and the ship falls to pieces, expelling her precious cargo... Marauders destined for the front lines. From behind a near by moon, a swarm of pods approaches as the pirate pilots board the abandoned ships ejected in the wreckage, hijacking s new fleet of ships destined for the chop shop or the black market. Jordan "Mr. NNJ" Johnson,-áOSD CSM Platform Scientia est potentia. Potentia est corruptio. Scientia est corruptio. |
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Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
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Posted - 2012.06.29 22:13:00 -
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1,000,000m3 ship-only hold.
No slots of any kind. No jump drive. Aligns and flies as fast as a Freighter, or slower.
Racial bonuses of 5% resist/shields/speed (not agility)/armor per level. 5% bonus to agility per level.
EHP equivalent to a current freighter.
http://www.mylootyourtears.com |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:45:00 -
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All good suggestions/criticism/input. Keep it coming. We need CSM or Dev support folks. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.07.06 12:28:00 -
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You would think after 11 pages of comments and posts on this thread people would take notice and see a need. |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:04:00 -
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One would think that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:47:00 -
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We need to keep this thing going so that the Devs know that we seriously want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Kingston Black
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
29
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:53:00 -
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yup awsome idea, i think it should be slightly more maybe 5 ships in there so people can move all their ships in one go, but reguardless +1 |
vyshnegradsky
MNU Operations Luna Sanguinem
3
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:42:00 -
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Couldn't you eve mail this thread to members of the CSM to try and raise awareness of it? |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:58:00 -
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vyshnegradsky wrote:Couldn't you eve mail this thread to members of the CSM to try and raise awareness of it?
I have already done so, and only got one reply.
Now, on the other hand, if all of the supporters of this thread were to start EVE-mailing the CSM to show their support, that would be fantastic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.07.12 14:18:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote: Now, on the other hand, if all of the supporters of this thread were to start EVE-mailing the CSM to show their support, that would be fantastic.
Ok peeps Copy and past think and Start Mailing the CSMs. Make them listen to the ones who elected them ;)
Any one want to come up with a general Message for everyone to copy and past and so everyone can easly start mailing them? |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.15 18:31:00 -
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I sense a flashmob in EVE-mail format. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.16 00:22:00 -
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Well, in light of me going back and realizing the Bedouin-class rough sketch looked like ****, I decided to try to create one of these on Paint. What I came up with was a solid design for the Pelican-class (Caldari Envoy).
That vessel can be found here:
Located in the Prototypes album.
Pelican "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
EpicNubian Mali
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
0
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Posted - 2012.07.17 00:05:00 -
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Indeed a solid idea, +1 --cant wait to see it! bump!
Quote: True, believable masters of propaganda are those unaware they are invlolved in it at all |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.17 17:59:00 -
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Thanks mate, appreciated. Hopefully we can get some more support rolling, and if we get more people to send this to the CSM, that would indeed be helpful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:05:00 -
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CSM Contact information can be found here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.17 18:12:00 -
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I think the best message to send would be something to the effect of the following:
To whom it may concern,
While on the Assembly Hall section of the forum, I came across an idea for a "Support Tug" or "Envoy" class vessel proposed by Jack Carrigan (link here), that I wish to show support for, as I would like to see it implemented in game, as it could revolutionize logistical applications for individuals, corporations, alliances, and would create great and many tears if ganked. This ship would be helpful to even the smallest corporation as it would allow for rigged vessels to be transported across long expanses of space.
Thank you for your time.
-insert name here- "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.19 18:31:00 -
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Okay, keeping in mind that the designs being posted here are very rough, as they are made with Paint, you can find the new design for the Bedouin-class Envoy here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.20 19:24:00 -
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Okay, it seems I'm on a bit of a roll with these. So, here is the Pillar-class Envoy.
The Monolith is going to take a while, because drawing curved objects with Paint is a tedious pain in the ****. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.24 18:40:00 -
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Let's keep this thing going, and keep in mind, so far, these are ROUGH ideas and concepts.
I am currently still working on the Monolith-class Envoy, and it has proved to be a bigger pain in the *** than I once thought it would be.
Tell YOUR CSM that you want a dedicated ship-hauler, and make this thing a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
36
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Posted - 2012.07.25 16:05:00 -
[229] - Quote
hey long time no see jack!
i still very much support this idea GET IT DONE CCP! |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.25 19:00:00 -
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fantazmythe wrote:hey long time no see jack!
i still very much support this idea GET IT DONE CCP! Good to see you're still showing support. Spread the idea as much as you can. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.26 00:18:00 -
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We just broke ten thousand views today. Keep the support rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
fantazmythe
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
38
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:09:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:We just broke ten thousand views today. Keep the support rolling.
congrats mate, well deserved :D
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Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.26 19:21:00 -
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We need more people to look at this, and support this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:25:00 -
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Let's get support for this!
Tell the CSM and CCP that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:15:00 -
[235] - Quote
The more people we get supporting this, the better. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
743
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Posted - 2012.08.01 16:59:00 -
[236] - Quote
We need to get this idea more support. Furthermore, it needs more exposure to the CSM.
I've already messaged them, and only got one reply, which equated to "don't hold your breath."
Let's make OUR CSM take notice of what we as the player base want to see. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.02 14:01:00 -
[237] - Quote
Or, y'know. You can just have an alt make a courier contract to yourself, which puts all those rigged ships in a nice neat box.
/entire thread Rabble Rabble!! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
743
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Posted - 2012.08.02 17:45:00 -
[238] - Quote
Could, but why should someone have to do that?
It just proves exectly how broken the logistical aspect of operating in New Eden really is.
There are so many vessel roles that could be filled, but aren't due to the fact that so much other **** is broken and taking away from development of new content. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Alystin Wyndyl
Night's Shadows TriMark Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.08.03 05:19:00 -
[239] - Quote
I fully support this idea. We really need this. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
743
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Posted - 2012.08.03 18:53:00 -
[240] - Quote
Then show your support, and contact the CSM. Tell them you want this, and get all of your friends who might be interested to do the same. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
744
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:37:00 -
[241] - Quote
Okay folks, keep the support going. Still working on the Monolith, but haven't had time due to a recent war dec. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
744
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:34:00 -
[242] - Quote
And now that I'm finally done with the Monolith, I can do this.
For those who don't want to go back a few pages:
Monolith
Pelican
Bedouin
Pillar "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
744
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:37:00 -
[243] - Quote
Now a thing to keep in mind, is these are very rough designs based off of the original freighter hulls, and were put together on MS Paint, so not exactly the best medium to work with. But all four of them are finally done, so discuss, and contact your CSM reps to let them know we want these. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
744
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:54:00 -
[244] - Quote
Just think of the possibilities:
Open up another sub-career.
Revolutionize logistical applications for operations.
The waves of tears from the ship pilot when it is destroyed and ships pop out of the wreckage.
All in all, I think this is needed, and if you do too, contact your CSM. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
744
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Posted - 2012.08.14 18:24:00 -
[245] - Quote
To keep this going, we're going to need continued support, and it needs to stay in the eyes of the players. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
aerofly0610
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:02:00 -
[246] - Quote
My Obi can hold 900Km3, just give me the ability to put fitted ships in there and I'm happy. |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
27
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:00:00 -
[247] - Quote
bump i still support this |
marlinspike von Crendraven
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:17:00 -
[248] - Quote
it has my support |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
748
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:00:00 -
[249] - Quote
Let's keep this thing going! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
138
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:22:00 -
[250] - Quote
supported (again)
This man knows his stuff. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
748
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Posted - 2012.09.02 08:33:00 -
[251] - Quote
The need for this can be explained with the following bullet points: - New Ships create need for minerals to be harvested, thus giving Industrial pilots more options on ship builds - New Ships create new targets (particularly lucrative ones) for pirates - It is a nice ISK sink (purchasing BPOs from the NPC corporations) - It is a nice mineral sink (as it would technically be a capital ship much like freighters) - It would enhance the capabilities of ship production corporations to move vessels they have built - It would enhance actual logistical capabilities of corps engaged in numerous types of operations - It would allow for people to move their base of operations quite easily - It would make ship-hauling contracts much simpler - It would open up a new sub-career for haulers - It would allow for neutrals to move combat vessels for corps/alliances engaged in wars (for a steep price) - It would create many, many tears to be collected if destroyed and allow for the chance of a carried ship to be dropped in space "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
748
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:21:00 -
[252] - Quote
Let's get some more support going! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
975
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Posted - 2012.09.05 22:20:00 -
[253] - Quote
Aleena Doran wrote:I like. People in the past have claimed that courier contracts are the solution to shipping rigged ships via freighter. That argument is flawed as you cannot issue a contract to yourself. Actually, you can. You set it to "your corp" and then you can accept a courier you made.
How many battleships would it have to carry to be better the just shuttling over and flying them back? Freighters align and warp slow. If the new freighter could only carry two, it might not be an actual time saver. Three may be better, but not by much. So it may have to be able to carry 4 to really be an advantage over just making more trips.
+1 http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
754
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Posted - 2012.09.14 16:51:00 -
[254] - Quote
Still needs support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Selinate
989
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Posted - 2012.09.15 22:38:00 -
[255] - Quote
Interesting idea. Not sure if I would like for it to be a freighter class ship though. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
754
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Posted - 2012.09.15 22:47:00 -
[256] - Quote
For it to be capable of transporting the amount of cargo that 3-4 battleships would take up it needs to be. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
28
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Posted - 2012.09.19 22:41:00 -
[257] - Quote
I still support this |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
755
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Posted - 2012.09.25 03:57:00 -
[258] - Quote
Keep the support rolling! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
29
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Posted - 2012.10.01 22:12:00 -
[259] - Quote
Bump for exposure |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
43
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Posted - 2012.10.03 04:48:00 -
[260] - Quote
bump for awesomeness
...and coming from a woman that would cram it fulla frigs!
:-D
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
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RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group
5
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Posted - 2012.10.04 18:42:00 -
[261] - Quote
I and my indie alt approve and support this proposal. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
770
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Posted - 2012.10.05 16:06:00 -
[262] - Quote
Oh look, a bump in the road.
In all seriousness, this idea is still needed, as it will revolutionize warfare and transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
770
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:10:00 -
[263] - Quote
Needs more support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
770
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:03:00 -
[264] - Quote
Support, GO! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Hecate Shaw
United Freemerchants Society
5
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Posted - 2012.10.15 03:13:00 -
[265] - Quote
Fantastic idea! My only comment: give it a skill of it's own and price it down just a bit from the other freighters...it's a specialist, after all. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
148
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:30:00 -
[266] - Quote
still a good idea so here you go. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
772
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:37:00 -
[267] - Quote
Let's keep the support for this idea flowing and hopefully get some attention from either CSM or CCP. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
30
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:01:00 -
[268] - Quote
With the amount of support this has I'm suprised CCP or the CSM hadn't replyed to this |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
774
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Posted - 2012.10.28 18:57:00 -
[269] - Quote
We still want/need this product. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jaison Savrin
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
58
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:43:00 -
[270] - Quote
I would love this. I can see arguments for not making a jump capable one.
I think it could be argued that rapid deployment for war (I.E. jumping ships) is a job for carriers. Yes I know jump frieghters can and are used to get behind enemy lines. Still, I think that saying that moving fleets of fitted ships is and should remain part of what carriers are for.
However, you wouldn't use a carrier to move ships through non-hostile space during peace times. You would use a "dry dock" cargo vessel. It is big, relatively helpless, slower than a carrier, but capable of moving more at a time. That is the sort of job I see for a ship like this. I vote making it a "tier 2" freighter rather than a "tech 2" freighter since it is more of a re-purpose than a complete redesign.
Oh, and +1 either way. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
777
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Posted - 2012.10.31 22:42:00 -
[271] - Quote
Not letting this one go out quietly. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
777
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Posted - 2012.10.31 22:43:00 -
[272] - Quote
Jaison Savrin wrote: I vote making it a "tier 2" freighter rather than a "tech 2" freighter since it is more of a re-purpose than a complete redesign.
Re-read first post in thread. It is a Tier 2.
Furthermore it leaves the option for a jump capable T2 variant.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Skitterball
Deafening Silence Syndiate In Umbra Mortis
6
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Posted - 2012.11.01 22:21:00 -
[273] - Quote
I still would like to see this done but as of right now I would think CCP would be taking their time waiting until the Caps start getting re-balanced yes? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
779
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Posted - 2012.11.03 20:34:00 -
[274] - Quote
Need support for this to keep rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
87
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Posted - 2012.11.09 19:32:00 -
[275] - Quote
Think this a fantastic Idea. Of course it would be up to the devs along with the players to test how many hitpoints they should have, what slots they would get etc.
But straight up you have my support whole heartedly! Best idea I have read on here in a while.
+1
Oh just to tag on the end here, I would not support them having jump drives. That would make them move too close to the role of carriers and I think the carrier is the most thought out capital asset currently in game. But a normal gate by gate ship? Hell yes its a good idea. "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Wulfys Cleanup
NorCorp Security Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2012.11.09 20:31:00 -
[276] - Quote
+10 Variation in games, always needed, in EvE even more so. This is a useful ship that will be used, produced, traded, reaserched and ganked, so it fits perfect in the game concept and adds to the market.
So why havent it been implemented yet? I support both jumpdrives and normal ones for variations. And to help with the size/jumpbridge/cargospace debate, lets say it has a (pulled from evelopedia):
"The Rorqual's primary strength lies in its ability to grind raw ores into particles of smaller size than possible before, while still maintaining their distinctive molecular structure."
Thingy cargohold.. cant say the name of the technology since its not named, but tech exsists.. And since its racial, it can be spezialised towards the ships of their race.. or something..
but still, get moving, game needs stuff.. more stuff, alot of stuff.. old stuffs not used anymore go to the shipyards for dissasembling, reprocessing and gets taken off the market if not used.. wasted isk is wasted isks.. put a challenge in for the industry as well:) ships dont get nerfed/ rebalanced, they are reinvented/buffed when not competetive or sacked.. out with old bp`s in with new.. lots of isk out the drain, lot of new isks into pockets.. circle of life, rest is in museums.. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
785
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Posted - 2012.11.11 10:52:00 -
[277] - Quote
Thanks for the input and support. We need to expand on the variety of ships and roles. Hell, when WiS goes live, yachts may even have a role. Let's keep the ideas rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
645
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Posted - 2012.11.11 18:10:00 -
[278] - Quote
I apologise in advance if I am just repeating what has already been said, I don't fancy reading the entirety of this thread-naught.
As it stands, you can put unpackaged ships into a Freighter. All it requires is that it is contract to you under a Courier contract. Something that annoys the hell out of me. I move homes system relatively frequently. Instead of creating an entire new ship class, just get rid of the restriction on unpackaged ships. It can already be circumvented as a minor inconvenience.
Freighters could use a little iteration as it is. Maybe a few carefully calculated slots. No high slots of course. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
786
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Posted - 2012.11.15 03:42:00 -
[279] - Quote
Still need support "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
786
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:57:00 -
[280] - Quote
Free space likes and space cookies for support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
789
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Posted - 2012.11.17 19:52:00 -
[281] - Quote
We need moar internet spaceships! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Mark Munoz
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective STR8NGE BREW
1
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:22:00 -
[282] - Quote
I like the idea, not sure I like JD capable variant. I also really like taking pods of new recruits. All the fun of seeing this ship pop and out comes immobile ships and pods scattering like roaches. :)
Would be even cooler if the pods randomly dropped like loot as well. Meaning some pods just won't survive the crash. |
Zanban
Stealth Sector The Revenant Order
34
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Posted - 2012.12.15 15:36:00 -
[283] - Quote
Still a great idea |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
794
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:41:00 -
[284] - Quote
Still want to see my dream become a reality! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
802
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Posted - 2013.01.01 03:48:00 -
[285] - Quote
New years resolution. Make this happen. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
188
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Posted - 2013.01.02 14:47:00 -
[286] - Quote
The tug should have a special module which allows for tractoring empty sub-capital ships in space. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
802
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Posted - 2013.01.02 22:15:00 -
[287] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:The tug should have a special module which allows for tractoring empty sub-capital ships in space.
Not a bad idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
127
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Posted - 2013.01.03 15:06:00 -
[288] - Quote
This, plus a hauling...overhaul will be much welcome. INGAME ADVERTS FOR PLAYERS |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
802
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Posted - 2013.01.06 18:55:00 -
[289] - Quote
Indeed. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Roland Schlosser
THE EXOGEN CONSORTIUM Viro Mors Non Est
16
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:25:00 -
[290] - Quote
Support. If it must have a JD, give it the worst JD possible.... outrageous fuel cost |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
802
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Posted - 2013.01.14 03:26:00 -
[291] - Quote
Roland Schlosser wrote:Support. If it must have a JD, give it the worst JD possible.... outrageous fuel cost Fair enough, even though only the T2 variant (eventual) would be jump capable. Was thinking fuel cost on par with a JF plus some. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
803
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:13:00 -
[292] - Quote
Tell the CSM and CCP that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
804
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 -
[293] - Quote
Still want this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
795
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:49:00 -
[294] - Quote
So basically... a carrier that instead of launching AI controlled fighters it launches player ships? I like it! EvE Forum Bingo |
Serina Tsukaya
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2013.01.28 13:09:00 -
[295] - Quote
What purpose exactly does this serve...? How much do those rigs really cost? If you made such a ship, it's step quite a bit into the region of the carrier, which has one of it's roles to be a ship transport in low/null. All you need to do, Is allow freighters to move assembled ships aswell, unless they already can, in which case, no change is needed. Having them moved via courier is also not the worst thing, and to those that say you can't courier to yourself, I'm pretty sure you could make an alt and courier to yourself.
We already have the freighter and jump freighter for highsec as well as the orca, add in the rorqual, carriers, super carriers and titans for low and null. Do we Really need more ships to move other ships? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
804
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Posted - 2013.01.28 19:59:00 -
[296] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:So basically... a carrier that instead of launching AI controlled fighters it launches player ships? I like it!
It doesn't launch player ships. It can transport them. It will be incapable of launching ships in space. The only way it will be able to interact with ships in space is with a POS Ship Maintenance Array (so that it can't be utilized like an Orca).
And to answer the question about rigs, when it comes to certain vessels, rigs can be pricey (especially if you're talking large rigs, or T2 rigs). The point of this is to facilitate improved logistics, and to plug a hole for transport purposes. Sure, using an alt to transport utilizing courier contracts is all fine and dandy, but not everyone has the money to have more than one account, or has the time to train a second account while they take care of RL stuff, or their main accounts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Inevitability
Sorry About Your Face MORE.DPS
4
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Posted - 2013.01.30 08:27:00 -
[297] - Quote
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
804
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Posted - 2013.02.03 23:01:00 -
[298] - Quote
Come on guys, keep with the support and maybe people will listen! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
804
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:21:00 -
[299] - Quote
-insert shameless plug here-
Seriously, just think of the tears if one of these with 3 Bhaalgorns in it exploded. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 01:39:00 -
[300] - Quote
The whole reason I even bothered to train an Orca in the first place was to move my own ships around without having to constantly buy new rigs. Part of the reason I stopped flying battleships is because they wouldn't fit into an Orca.
Furthermore, it seems that in the deep dark reaches of Null there are logistics corporations whose sole function is to supply their respective alliances/coalitions with fully-fitted, doctrine-complaint, ready-to-go ships brought to wherever the front lines are. Something like this, perhaps, might be beneficial to those efforts.
Anyway, a ship like this is very relevant to my interests and so I'll definitely give it a +1. |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:29:00 -
[301] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The whole reason I even bothered to train an Orca in the first place was to move my own ships around without having to constantly buy new rigs. Part of the reason I stopped flying battleships is because they wouldn't fit into an Orca.
Furthermore, it seems that in the deep dark reaches of Null there are logistics corporations whose sole function is to supply their respective alliances/coalitions with fully-fitted, doctrine-complaint, ready-to-go ships brought to wherever the front lines are. Something like this, perhaps, might be beneficial to those efforts.
Anyway, a ship like this is very relevant to my interests and so I'll definitely give it a +1.
Thank you for your support, and I hope to see this as a reality. This would not just change things for null alliances, it would change the face of true logistics in New Eden. And anyone that knows me knows that I will not let this idea go away quietly into the night. I am going to avidly push for the development of such a vessel until either it becomes a reality, or CCP tells me to shut the **** up.
With that in mind, let's keep pushing to expand our sandbox into something even greater than it already is. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:02:00 -
[302] - Quote
Who wants more stuff to fly and/or blow up? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Reuben Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.02.09 10:53:00 -
[303] - Quote
I ike the idea. One extra suggestion, instead of maing 4 factional version make one faction version available throguh Interbus. All the best mining ships come from ORE, Why arent their any specialty ships from Interbus? |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:56:00 -
[304] - Quote
Reuben Johnson wrote:I ike the idea. One extra suggestion, instead of maing 4 factional version make one faction version available throguh Interbus. All the best mining ships come from ORE, Why arent their any specialty ships from Interbus? Because The Interbus would absolutely NOT be involved with something utilized for warfare purposes (neither would ORE for that matter) even in a logistical sense asthey aim to maintain their neutrality so they can continue to do business with all four empires. That is the primary reasoning behind the four racial faction variations. Each race would develop one, and the others would step up to create competition. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:47:00 -
[305] - Quote
Keep the support rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
386
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:25:00 -
[306] - Quote
I hope CCP is looking at this thread. This is an awesome idea. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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I wish they would look at this thread. I hope that somehow we can get their attention and as a community say "we need this." I will rejustify the need for it, and re-link the concept art that I came up with which can either be used as a basis of the design, or can be discarded for original models.
First, the benefits: - Would revolutionize true logistics in the sense it would allow the mass movement of rigged vessels (up to 3-4 fitted/rigged battleships) across large expanses of space without the need for courier contracts. - It would create a new career path (ship transport for war decced corporations). - It would create a new means of heisting from corporate hangars (should rigged ships be included in the hangars). - It would create a much-needed ISK sink. - It would create a mineral sink (and thus make mineral prices stabilize) - It would create competition for acquisition of blueprints and production of these vessels.
Designs: Monolith Bedouin Pillar Pelican
Keep in mind, these are extremely rough designs accomplished with MS Paint. Stats are on the design pictures. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jalxan
knights INC Ad-Astra
2
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Posted - 2013.02.14 07:15:00 -
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Yes, yes, yes! I fullheartedly approve of this proposal! This would revolutionize space travel in a myriad of ways. However, some tweaks if I may:
- Have two separate versions; a T1 version, and a T2 jump-equipped version. The T1 version would have the same skill requirements as the Charon/Obelisk/Fenrir/Providence, while the T2 version should have the same requirements as the Rhea/Anshar/Nomad/Ark. - The T2 jump version should have a smaller ship maintenance bay than the T1 stargate-dependant version. - Both should also have a standard cargobay of 500m3 to transport additional modules for these ships not covered by the charges exception for carried ships. - They should emulate the existing freighter designs in all other respects except that cargohold bonuses are instead Ship Maintenance Bay bonuses, for example:
T1 (Pelican): - Caldari Freighter Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to ship maintenance bay capacity and 5% bonus to maximum velocity per level
T2 (Emu): (Emu's my suggestion for Caldari) - Caldari Freighter Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to ship maintenance bay capacity and 5% bonus to agility per level - Jump Freighters Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to shield, armor and hull hitpoints and 10% reduction in jump fuel need per level
Jack Carrigan wrote:Designs: MonolithBedouinPillarPelicanKeep in mind, these are extremely rough designs accomplished with MS Paint. Stats are on the design pictures.
Wonderful MS Paint jobs there. :D
I'm going to see if I can recreate these into 3d graphical versions. However, I've never done this level of editing before, so please be patient. :) |
Jalxan
knights INC Ad-Astra
2
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Posted - 2013.02.14 08:36:00 -
[309] - Quote
Here's my idea of the Pelican, after a pair of screenshots, and a bit of photoshop:
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3397/eveonlinepelicanconcept.png
The Two side hangars are obvious (and should be replicated on the other side), while the big hexagonal top piece would be a large raisable door for battleship-sized (or larger?) cargo, akin to Homeworld's Mothership's oversized production hangar like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNQNeLDg5s&feature=youtu.be&t=5m24s
Of course, this is all static on the model, but we would want it pretty, no? :D
I can try photoshopping more on request. :) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
806
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Posted - 2013.02.14 18:23:00 -
[310] - Quote
All good suggestions. It would give CCP something to work with rather than having to build something from scratch. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:15:00 -
[311] - Quote
If we could get the CSM or CCP to take a look at this, it'd be great. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Saithe
Grumpy Old Spacevets
72
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Posted - 2013.02.16 02:50:00 -
[312] - Quote
So, let me get this straight. You all want to see a ship that can haul rigged ships, not launch them, and POSSIBLY have a jump drive?
Is there some reason a Freighter or Jump Freighter is out of the question? By making this a 'variant' it will still have the same material requirements, if not more, making it even more expensive than current freighters. And not to mention you can very easily fit rigged battleships inside a freighter. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:18:00 -
[313] - Quote
Well, here's the thing. Currently, the only way to fit assembled/rigged ships into a Freighter is Courier contracts, which requires either someone you trust, or an alt. It is a colossal pain in the ass for logistical purposes.
This ship will streamline the process. And an eventual Tech 2 variant would be jump capable but have a ship transport bay. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jalxan
knights INC Ad-Astra
5
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Posted - 2013.02.17 04:34:00 -
[314] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Well, here's the thing. Currently, the only way to fit assembled/rigged ships into a Freighter is Courier contracts, which requires either someone you trust, or an alt. It is a colossal pain in the ass for logistical purposes.
This ship will streamline the process. And an eventual Tech 2 variant would be jump capable but have a ship transport bay.
That, and you may be able to fit in more ships, rather than less. As for launching into space, you can technically do that with unassembled ships already. I remember someone with an Orca jetting about 60 ships at a time as part of a mass-ship giveaway spree. And of course, there's the fact that I've jettisoned 50 packaged shuttles into space for my fellow corpmates to participate in a special exercise. Either way, what I'm saying is that having the ability to jettison wouldn't be that special. |
Justin Ackaris
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
12
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Posted - 2013.02.28 06:50:00 -
[315] - Quote
Jalxan wrote:Here's my idea of the Pelican, after a pair of screenshots, and a bit of photoshop: http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3397/eveonlinepelicanconcept.pngThe Two side hangars are obvious (and should be replicated on the other side), while the big hexagonal top piece would be a large raisable door for battleship-sized (or larger?) cargo, akin to Homeworld's Mothership's oversized production hangar like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNQNeLDg5s&feature=youtu.be&t=5m24sOf course, this is all static on the model, but we would want it pretty, no? :D I can try photoshopping more on request. :) EDIT: Just did the Pillar; I imagine the big door slides inward, and rolls along the roof of the ship upward, to allow larger ships in. http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7207/eveonlinepillarconcept.pngEDIT 2: Just finished the Monolith; the side panels I felt could be docking bays (borrowing the Nyx's hangar bay as graphics for photoshop), and the entire lower front of the Monolith I felt should be made as if it were designed to open. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5868/eveonlinemonolithconcep.pngEDIT 3: And last and definitely not least, the Bedouin. These bays are large enough for BS's, so I didn't add an oversized hatch to this drawing. That said, with the extended side that is entirely possible. http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5459/eveonlinebedouinconcept.pngSo, with all these done, what's your thoughts? And hopefully this gives CCP a few ideas to work with. :D
Nice work Jaxlan.
Once again, why hasn't CSM/CCP looked at this and commented on it yet????? Maybe we should start bugging ISDs or drop the forum link in every system we pass through ingame to spread the exposure? Mail the current CSM and upcoming candidates as well maybe?
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Jalxan
knights INC Ad-Astra
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 20:40:00 -
[316] - Quote
I'd still like to see this happen. :) It would dramatically change material logistics in this game. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
808
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:14:00 -
[317] - Quote
Jalxan wrote:I'd still like to see this happen. :) It would dramatically change material logistics in this game.
Indeed it would, and as anyone with any semblance of a military background would know, material logistics is one of the single most important things in warfare. No supply/logistics, and you're pretty much ****ed. It would even help out the big names, like the Frogs, who would be able to open a new division dedicated to ship transport. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
808
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Posted - 2013.03.16 20:36:00 -
[318] - Quote
KEEP IT ALIVE!
ENVOY-CLASS VESSELS MUST LIVE! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Galen Dnari
Darkhall Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 05:31:00 -
[319] - Quote
Katalci wrote:A ship that carries things, perhaps instead of a tug-class vessel we could call them carriers.
One of the things that's always bothered me about EVE is that the nomenclature of warships, which seems to be based at least in part on late 20th/early 21st century Naval usage, has developed some aspects which are clearly not at all within that paradigm (example: "rookie ship", "assault ship"). In current Naval usage "Carrier" has a specific technical meaning: it refers to ships designed to carry combat aircraft. In space terms, ships designed to carry small combat craft not capable, in EVE terms, of using jump gates (too small to carry the necessary hardware, as opposed to too big to fit through the gate). I suppose if the majority of players in EVE want to change the nomenclature so that this technical term doesn't mean that, but instead means "a vessel that carries, as freight, other vessels", I'm going to have to live with it, but I don't have to like it, and I don't.
Of course, I also feel that EVE's carriers don't carry enough small craft (while ignoring the very real problem of how many of the darn things are reasonable to have in a battle considering (real) computer power and the number of people available to control them). I've also seen EVE "carriers" described as "giant logistics ships" GÇö "logistics" being another word that doesn't quite mean in EVE the same thing it means in RL. So perhaps "carriers" is the wrong word to apply to such ships in EVE. Certainly if you're going to call 'ship haulers' carriers, you're going to have to come up with another term for what we now call 'carriers'.
All that said, I think the idea as expressed in the OP is outstanding. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:22:00 -
[320] - Quote
Thanks for the support mate. Let's keep this going. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
809
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:50:00 -
[321] - Quote
Let's get more support for this rolling. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."http://jackcarrigan.wordpress.com |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
40
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:59:00 -
[322] - Quote
Please remember the rules concerning Rule 12 on bumping. The last several pages are coming extremely close to consisting of what would constitute bumps. If this trend should continue further action will be required. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:06:00 -
[323] - Quote
Won't happen again. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"http://jackcarrigan.wordpress.com |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
823
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Posted - 2013.03.31 19:51:00 -
[324] - Quote
Okay, I've been thinking about something I could add to this without it looking like a hollow bump, as ISD was kind enough to advise me that I was borderline breaking rules. So with that, I have come to a decision regarding the Envoy-class ships.
If they were designed, there would be absolutely no need for a jump-capable version, as Carriers fill that role nicely, but when it comes to high-sec logistics, there is still a gap.
Sure, there's always the courier contract, but why the **** should you have to go through that (which when you're moving enough stuff, gets extremely tedious) to move your own stuff? The answer, quite simply, is that you shouldn't. There is no justifiable reason for it, and to the "get an Orca" camp, let's see you attempt to move all of your rigged battleships in an Orca. Some people multi-spec in their training, and thus have several different ship types, and other than the Orca not having the ship maintenance bay to haul battleships, you are also severely limited as to how many ships you can fit into it.
So with that, I am not saying that we as pilots of New Eden want, or desire this.
I am saying we, the pilots of New Eden NEED this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Skadi Asgaurd
Fluffy Carebears
0
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Posted - 2013.04.11 22:25:00 -
[325] - Quote
+1 nice idea |
Benar Ellecon
Avedis Corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 13:55:00 -
[326] - Quote
+1 Very useful idea!
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
870
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Posted - 2013.04.13 05:18:00 -
[327] - Quote
Thank you both for your support. If you would please pass this idea along to others that you know so we can keep the support coming. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Krax As
Silent Tears in Space
17
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:57:00 -
[328] - Quote
like the idea as well.
+1 from me.
in fact: anything that makes logistics more viable without diminishing the size of the overall galaxy (like JF-¦s and jumpdrives did in general) would probably get a +1 from me
but I guess that is another story told another time |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
871
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Posted - 2013.04.19 23:54:00 -
[329] - Quote
Thanks for the +1 and comment.
My goal isn't to diminish the vastness of New Eden. Just make transporting things across said vastness a little more... "user friendly." "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.11 12:10:00 -
[330] - Quote
i like the idea, maybe rounding it abit too. You will have the proposed ships who can fill at max skills 3 macherials + some small stuff. get a somewhat useable tank (would like normal freighters with better tank too) and no jump capabilities. And then there is another line of those ships which can only fit 1 and a half mach but use jump drives. |
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Theia Matova
Dominance Theory
98
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Posted - 2013.05.11 14:15:00 -
[331] - Quote
@OP, hauling ship hulls is indeed a task that could have dedicated hull. Would love also if the existing industry ships could gain some kind of bonus to pack ships to smaller space perhaps?
Anyway bump! Nice idea. Other discussions: Racial systems balancing and homogenization Bounty contracts |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
875
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Posted - 2013.05.20 02:44:00 -
[332] - Quote
Anyone have any ideas on how to improve this? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
339
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Posted - 2013.05.21 00:33:00 -
[333] - Quote
Keep it bumped. I do like this idea as I have been an incursion gypsy in the past.
Fitted or not it is hard to move HQ level tools 30 jumps with any efficiency
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:29:00 -
[334] - Quote
I'm not sure I get the full gist of this idea yet. When I first saw the Orca I actually thought it could be used as a "space caravan" then realized it was meant to be a mining vessel.
If the concept here is to have a ship that can be used to move our stuff around a lot easier or to "move house" when your sov bases get taken over , would it not be simpler to retask ships we already have to new roles?
We have Carriers already. The hull could be re-tasked so the skill list is no longer "combat based", jump capability removed, combat roles removed, drone bay removed, etc etc, and we have a ship mover.
Such a ship would never be allowed in Hisec though without major changes to EHP because if it takes the role of a Freighter with a higher degree of safety, it could never be ganked, and everyone would be up in arms over that. I suddenly woke up thinking I had a nightmare, then remembered I can't even fly Amarr Battleships. I add bits to this when I'm bored https://www.dropbox.com/s/foijsawsqolarom/EVE_Online.html |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.05.25 14:38:00 -
[335] - Quote
DSpite Culhach wrote:I'm not sure I get the full gist of this idea yet. When I first saw the Orca I actually thought it could be used as a "space caravan" then realized it was meant to be a mining vessel.
If the concept here is to have a ship that can be used to move our stuff around a lot easier or to "move house" when your sov bases get taken over , would it not be simpler to retask ships we already have to new roles?
We have Carriers already. The hull could be re-tasked so the skill list is no longer "combat based", jump capability removed, combat roles removed, drone bay removed, etc etc, and we have a ship mover.
Such a ship would never be allowed in Hisec though without major changes to EHP because if it takes the role of a Freighter with a higher degree of safety, it could never be ganked, and everyone would be up in arms over that.
the idea would be to have a civilian version of your said carrier, so that it can enter highsec help moving fitted hulls and so. Those ships will be a niche filler as, if i read correct, your ships cant be launched from them into space they r just there for transport |
Justin Ackaris
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
13
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Posted - 2013.06.16 07:24:00 -
[336] - Quote
Let's not have this idea die a quiet death. We need to get the Tug Class into EVE.
Keep bumping this thread or post your ideas and feedback. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
887
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Posted - 2013.06.16 23:57:00 -
[337] - Quote
Some feedback from CCP would be nice. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
887
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:09:00 -
[338] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:Keep it bumped. I do like this idea as I have been an incursion gypsy in the past.
Fitted or not it is hard to move HQ level tools 30 jumps with any efficiency
m
Thanks for the Support mate "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Cruell Nightmare
Occupational Hazard Vital Core Exhumers Industrial Coalition
24
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Posted - 2013.06.25 21:53:00 -
[339] - Quote
I love this Idea, I would like too see them with pretty highly skill reqs though. We dont need them everywhere. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
887
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:28:00 -
[340] - Quote
Cruell Nightmare wrote:I love this Idea, I would like too see them with pretty highly skill reqs though. We dont need them everywhere.
I can live with that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
90
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Posted - 2013.06.28 13:42:00 -
[341] - Quote
Reading through the many pages of this thread, I recall supporting this idea before, though it may have been over in F&I, rather than here. Some of the ideas tossed about in the later discussion have me wondering if we're still talking about a tug, or more on the lines of a ferry.
One poster mentioned it has a high-sec civilian carrier, which i would see more as a ferry, rather than a tug which would be a single small ship consisting of a large engine, tractor and command deck, for moving anywhere from 1 to 3 large ships.
Either way, though, I'm in support. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
888
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:58:00 -
[342] - Quote
Well, this idea was original posted in F&I, and with the responses and support it received there, I felt it best to bring it here to attempt to bring it into the eyes of the CSM or CCP. So far, we've had a reply from one member of the CSM in support of it, and as long as it continues to garner support, I plan on keeping the idea alive. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
90
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Posted - 2013.07.14 12:48:00 -
[343] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Well, this idea was original posted in F&I, and with the responses and support it received there, I felt it best to bring it here to attempt to bring it into the eyes of the CSM or CCP. So far, we've had a reply from one member of the CSM in support of it, and as long as it continues to garner support, I plan on keeping the idea alive.
And its hard for me too believe only one csm posted tbh. this is a fantastic idea. This would allow me too move the fitted ships i need to inva... move in into a wh.
+1 "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
893
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Posted - 2013.07.18 10:48:00 -
[344] - Quote
Whatever motives you have, even ulterior, this ship would be exceptionally useful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
29
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:33:00 -
[345] - Quote
sounds like a great idea to me +1 |
Hileksel Tarmik
Mordu's Military Industrial Command Circle-Of-Two
1
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:05:00 -
[346] - Quote
The concept is a good one, might need tweaking, in my opinion.
However, I will always say, "Fix current issues before bringing in new features."
Then I get laughed at, because everyone knows new features bring in new players, and more money.
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Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association
546
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Posted - 2013.07.22 01:29:00 -
[347] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3333035#post3333035
This thread, post the ides in this sort of format
Suggestion: Create a 'Tug Class' of ships that can move fitted Battleships etc in hisec Keywords:Ship balancing
Be heard, if you cannot be bothered then 'like' my post of it
support time, folks, help me sell this
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
893
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Posted - 2013.07.24 07:13:00 -
[348] - Quote
Let's make this crazy idea a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jalxan
knights INC Ad-Astra
15
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Posted - 2013.07.29 19:04:00 -
[349] - Quote
Excellent to see the CSM getting involved. :) And happy to see this thread still alive. This must happen! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
924
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:35:00 -
[350] - Quote
Well, it made it to the list of reasonable things to be voted upon, but did not make it to the final vote. So, we shall keep this alive until the next time something like that comes up!
I thank all of you for the overwhelming support of a simple idea that could make our lives so much easier. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Ryan Easte
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:49:00 -
[351] - Quote
I'm not going to read through all the comments but I would like to say this. Rigs and Fittings do not make it too powerful. ITS A NON COMBAT SHIP why the hell should it be easy to kill ?? so you can have your loot and not have to work for it? f. me lads.. ya'all can always find something to moan about.
+1 for the Idea, I think it would be useful logistically perhaps only usable in high/low sec ? then JF's move the ships to null
only usable in these regions due to gate mass limitations or something? Would also be nice if the ship was scaled right so it looked as tho 3 battleships actually fitted in it. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
925
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Posted - 2013.09.10 01:55:00 -
[352] - Quote
Thanks for the support mate. It's appreciated.
Rally all the denizens of New Eden you can. This idea must not be allowed to silently pass into the night. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
926
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:26:00 -
[353] - Quote
I definitely would like to see something like this (even if not this exact idea) come to be. The expansion to the industry/hauler game would be game-changing. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
931
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:39:00 -
[354] - Quote
I appreciate all of the support that this idea has been receiving, and the CSM did take notice. While that is good, we are going to need far more support to get this implemented. Keep fighting the good fight. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Lido Seahawk
Norr Amalgamated Industries
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:35:00 -
[355] - Quote
Just read through all this, and must of missed something, as I am unclear on two points:
1. Will the cargo hold be scanable?
2. When the ship blows up, what happens to the ships inside? Do they explode as well, dropping their loot? Or disappear like in a maintenance bay? I know we don't want fully fitted battleships dropping as loot!
Also, prefer calling them "Ferry Class" rather than "Tug Class". Because ferries are what I do! |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
56
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:52:00 -
[356] - Quote
Lido Seahawk wrote:Just read through all this, and must of missed something, as I am unclear on two points: 1. Will the cargo hold be scanable? 2. When the ship blows up, what happens to the ships inside? Do they explode as well, dropping their loot? Or disappear like in a maintenance bay? I know we don't want fully fitted battleships dropping as loot! Also, prefer calling them "Ferry Class" rather than "Tug Class". Because ferries are what I do! 1. sure why not? 2. imo they should...the tug should be hard to kill too ofc <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:38:00 -
[357] - Quote
Temmu Guerra wrote:and this is the way all ideas should be done (features to assembly hall)
+1
Why do we need two sections of the forums to accomplish the same thing? Did I miss something? F&I seems like it was made to catch most of the threads posted here, instead it seems there are to differently named part of the the forums with the same purpose. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
58
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Jasmine Assasin wrote:Temmu Guerra wrote:and this is the way all ideas should be done (features to assembly hall)
+1 Nevermind, I guess I should read stickies first... Actually not too long ago assembly hall was the place most of the ideas were submitted to. I can't 100% remember if F&I existed back then but assembly hall was def where any suggestions were voted upon by the player community. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
934
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:04:00 -
[359] - Quote
Just think of the practical applications.
And the possibility of another new "career" path.
"Arms Smuggling" "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
936
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:31:00 -
[360] - Quote
I was recently speaking with a few friends, and they were telling me how much of a pain in the ass it was to move all of their stuff to another hub since their corporation relocated again. I directed them here.
Help drum up support so we can make this useful logistical tool a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Nolen Cadmar
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
20
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:36:00 -
[361] - Quote
+1. Great Idea. I'd like to see some form of this implemented. Fly Safe-á o7 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
957
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:57:00 -
[362] - Quote
Thank you for the support. Let's keep this spreading "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
961
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Posted - 2013.11.15 22:26:00 -
[363] - Quote
I think this needs more exposure. We could definitely use something like this "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1009
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:18:00 -
[364] - Quote
Just imagine all of the delicious tears if one of these got blapped and dropped someone's faction battleship. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Endovior
Osmosis Inc Li3 Federation
82
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:14:00 -
[365] - Quote
This has been a good idea for a while, but it's more feasible now that we have wrecks that you can eject ships from.
With that groundwork in place, this is something that could happen at any time; the most time-consuming bit would be the art. Shame there doesn't seem to be much support for the idea. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1031
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:59:00 -
[366] - Quote
Endovior wrote:This has been a good idea for a while, but it's more feasible now that we have wrecks that you can eject ships from. With that groundwork in place, this is something that could happen at any time; the most time-consuming bit would be the art. Shame there doesn't seem to be much support for the idea.
I concur. We need to garner more support. Sure, we managed to get one member of the CSM to take note, but why stop there?
Gather your friends people, because this is something that New Eden needs! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
3
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Posted - 2013.11.27 22:09:00 -
[367] - Quote
Great Idea! we need more Innovation such as this you got my vote. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1033
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:12:00 -
[368] - Quote
Can we just have it already? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter
76
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:10:00 -
[369] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Can we just have it already? not empty quoting <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1033
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:07:00 -
[370] - Quote
I'd like to see these if nothing more than for a loot pinata and tear factory. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Richard Bashir
Trust is Value
0
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Posted - 2013.12.17 12:47:00 -
[371] - Quote
I was trying to find a Monolith on the market (I even checked Jita 4-4), so started searching on the forums, and came across this... What is taking CCP so long...?
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1035
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:37:00 -
[372] - Quote
Richard Bashir wrote:I was trying to find a Monolith on the market (I even checked Jita 4-4), so started searching on the forums, and came across this... What is taking CCP so long...?
+1
You know, that is what I have been wondering since the day I came up with this idea. So, what I would suggest is start snagging people to support this, make contact with your CSM reps, and try to garner more support.
There's only so much I can personally do mate. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
194
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:37:00 -
[373] - Quote
+1 Hell Yes Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1037
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Posted - 2013.12.18 08:38:00 -
[374] - Quote
Thank you. I am going to have to try to find more people to help promote this. Get your corporations and Alliances involved! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Loki Asuran
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:47:00 -
[375] - Quote
Support and like this. +1. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1041
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Posted - 2013.12.21 16:00:00 -
[376] - Quote
Why thank you good sir. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2013.12.24 14:32:00 -
[377] - Quote
I kinda like this idea +1
We need more stuff like that instead off the bullshit CCP throws out recently. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1042
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Posted - 2013.12.25 20:11:00 -
[378] - Quote
Well, if we can actually garner support, and stop getting the constant shitposting of "ABLOO-BLOO-BLOO NERF CLOAKING ABLOO-BLOO-BLOO" maybe CCP would pay more attention to the forums. Especially if players put forth their ideas in a constructive manner which would reduce the number of questions that could be asked because it was presented in a well-thought out manner. The idea is to show that you did some form of research, and are willing to put forth some form of effort to actually constructively design something USEFUL rather than something that will unbalance or completely break an already functional mechanic. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
740
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Posted - 2013.12.26 02:20:00 -
[379] - Quote
Just to let you know, I am still firmly on board with this. still trying to work it into conversations with ccp
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1042
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Posted - 2013.12.26 17:42:00 -
[380] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:Just to let you know, I am still firmly on board with this. still trying to work it into conversations with ccp
m
I appreciate it. I understand if stats have to be altered, et cetera, but just keep me posted on what you can.
As for everyone else, see if we can get some proliferation of this idea. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.28 08:06:00 -
[381] - Quote
Let's keep it going guys! Show that you want this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1066
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Posted - 2014.01.21 00:48:00 -
[382] - Quote
We can has? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter
87
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Posted - 2014.01.22 09:16:00 -
[383] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:We can has? was thinking about this recently and thought maybe we could even do up versions of them like the current industrials.
A t1 hauler version that can barely haul the largest bc size (270,000m3 or 400,000m3 if you include the industrials). Since the orca can currently haul 400,000m3 in it's ship maintenance bay and having a t1 hauler that could compete on that level may be a bit imbalanced you could drop it down to barely haul the largest cruiser size (havent checked the largest volume on those since there are so many, will do so later).
A frieghter size that can barely haul 2 of the largest bs size (1,190,000m3).
A jump frieghter size that can barely haul 1 of the largest bs size (595,000m3) <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
322
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:01:00 -
[384] - Quote
Like but no bonus for defensive capabilities. TIDI IS NIGHTMARE - CCP SHOW US THE TIMERS Reactivation timers on : MJD and more. Please like & post in this idea to keep it visible. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1067
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Posted - 2014.01.22 15:34:00 -
[385] - Quote
Anthar Thebess wrote:Like but no bonus for defensive capabilities.
And why not? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1067
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Posted - 2014.01.25 00:42:00 -
[386] - Quote
With all of the new things being added to the game, this would be an amazing help to those just getting started, or who wanted to be suppliers for war torn corporations by moving ships for them. We need this! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.01 05:09:00 -
[387] - Quote
CCP is constantly speaking of player-driven content. Well, I say a prime opportunity for more of this is to let players come up with well thought out, well researched ship ideas, and submit them directly to CCP through some channels (either through CSM, or create some form of means of sending in a design package (with basic design ideas) to CCP for approval (even if they have to tweak it)). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1106
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Posted - 2014.02.01 22:54:00 -
[388] - Quote
Let's get some more support rolling for this idea. It is something that will benefit EVERY SINGLE EVE PLAYER in some way or another.
Miners sell the minerals to industrialists to build them. Industrialists sell the ones they build. Haulers make money using them. And pirates get to gank them! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Wesley Otsdarva
Asuratech Industrial Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun
7
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Posted - 2014.02.02 01:26:00 -
[389] - Quote
I wholly support this idea, IF it had jump capabilities. Otherwise it's just easier to use a JF.
But yes, moving rigged ships is a pain unless you have a big alliance or corp to fall behind. I would like something for the littler guys. In fact I was actually thinking of posting the idea of a smaller freighter. Simply due to the fact that you have two options to haul stuff. the ~20K m3 offered by t1 industrials for non specific cargo. or 450K-900K offered by freighters. |
Arsala
Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing.
0
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Posted - 2014.02.02 02:33:00 -
[390] - Quote
Great Idea. Something that has been needed for a very long time.
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Matokin Lemant
5576
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Posted - 2014.02.02 07:55:00 -
[391] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here. The original posting can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed. Now for the proposal itself: Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported, as it was only designed to carry a couple of mining barges. What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job. The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Imperial Shipment Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Lai Dai Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Freedom Extension Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug: Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping Support Tug Skill Bonus: Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level Freighter Skill Bonus: +0.6 Warp Strength per level Necessary Skills: Racial Freighter II - Advanced Spaceship Command I -- Spaceship Command V Racial Industrial V - Spaceship Command III -- Racial Frigate III -- Spaceship Command I These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe.
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me |
Wesley Otsdarva
Asuratech Industrial Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun
8
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Posted - 2014.02.02 17:32:00 -
[392] - Quote
Matokin Lemant wrote:
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me
Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1137
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:39:00 -
[393] - Quote
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:Matokin Lemant wrote:
I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay
Other then that +1 from me
Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty.
Someone didn't think that thought through, considering the Crow especially, which runs at damned near 5km/s. Would take about 20 seconds to get there, which means.... you'd be screwed, especially since the most favored Crow fits favor a long point, which runs about a 24km range. So with that in mind, in about 15 seconds, you'd be pointed and would stand no chance of escaping, even with maxed navigation skills.
Jump capable, maybe, in a T2 variant later down the road.
But first, it would be nice to get a standard variant so that people could just haul their fitted/rigged ships with some form of defensive capability (tank and/or EWAR). "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1156
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:38:00 -
[394] - Quote
Keep the support train rolling. We've gotten the CSM's attention. Let everyone you know that WE WANT THIS!!!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.10 03:45:00 -
[395] - Quote
Keep pushing for this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
141
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:05:00 -
[396] - Quote
So yes we definitely need this however, we already have this its called a Carrier. Next someone will want to carry 5 BS, then 10, then 15. When does it stop?
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:18:00 -
[397] - Quote
I think you completely missed the point. As stated, this won't be able to launch in space, and furthermore is helping round out industry to better balance with their combat counterparts. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
825
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Posted - 2014.02.12 07:51:00 -
[398] - Quote
I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata
Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.
But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.13 01:47:00 -
[399] - Quote
I'll definitely put some thought into it, and appreciate both the support and input. Just off the cuff I would say that attacking one could extend aggro to either the corporation of the pilot or the owners of the cargo.Mike Azariah wrote:I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata
Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.
But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.
m
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1160
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:34:00 -
[400] - Quote
Anyone else have any suggestions on aggro? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1204
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Posted - 2014.02.26 16:15:00 -
[401] - Quote
Some input on aggro mechanics would be helpful. Lets keep the ideas coming in. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
70
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:16:00 -
[402] - Quote
I've been wanting something like this for years. I'd have settled for a rig slot on the current freighters where 1 rig makes it a ship carrier and the other rig makes it a normal freighter but a whole new ship would be cool too. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1204
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:19:00 -
[403] - Quote
Well, the reason I proposed a new ship was to help round out the industrial/support side of EVE. I figured this could create some intrigue, and have potential for tears to be spilled by pirates. All in all, everyone would win.Rikanin wrote:I've been wanting something like this for years. I'd have settled for a rig slot on the current freighters where 1 rig makes it a ship carrier and the other rig makes it a normal freighter but a whole new ship would be cool too.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rikanin
Azerick Industrial
71
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:28:00 -
[404] - Quote
No it's a good idea...new ship would be cool. The rig idea was just something I thought up a long time ago because I thought it would be less development work (no need for new models) and more likely to be implemented.
Totally cool with having a whole new ship class. :)
They should have another one of those artist contests to have the users submit design ideas. That'd be cool. |
Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
169
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Posted - 2014.03.08 11:16:00 -
[405] - Quote
Great idea, but please don't call it a 'tug'
What you propose is a 'Heavy-lift ship' or 'Heavy Transport Ship'
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL4CB4SZieo
edit:
And here's another example of the same ship, lifting a 'small' military vessel....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUsLDPWSY1Q
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1206
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:07:00 -
[406] - Quote
The support tug was simply the first name that came to mind while myself and a few friends were spitballing ideas. The official class name that we decided to stick with after the fact was "Envoy." "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1207
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Posted - 2014.03.13 18:55:00 -
[407] - Quote
This thing still needs support and input. Invite your corpmates, alliance mates and friends to check this out and make their input. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1207
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Posted - 2014.03.17 22:24:00 -
[408] - Quote
Does anyone have anything that they would like to input? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1221
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Posted - 2014.03.20 21:24:00 -
[409] - Quote
Even if this were to be reduced to a single faction ship, give it the appearance of a skeletal structure with ship transport bays within the structure. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1237
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Posted - 2014.03.27 04:35:00 -
[410] - Quote
I'd love to see this come to fruition so that everyone can have something else to fly or shoot at. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1252
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Posted - 2014.04.07 01:16:00 -
[411] - Quote
We need moar ships! BECAUSE MOAR! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
85
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Posted - 2014.04.18 14:50:00 -
[412] - Quote
this, I want this! :) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1253
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Posted - 2014.04.18 22:10:00 -
[413] - Quote
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:this, I want this! :)
Well start garnering more support! TELL EVERYONE! MOAR SHIPS!!!!!!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
390
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:52:00 -
[414] - Quote
+1 for targe-... Err, tugs.
Would the fitted ships drop if you poped one though?
Because, incursion people have really nice ships... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1267
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Posted - 2014.05.13 03:23:00 -
[415] - Quote
Yes they would on a percentage base. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Omega Flames
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
91
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Posted - 2014.05.22 02:25:00 -
[416] - Quote
more ships = better eve <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
Projectile Sally
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:53:00 -
[417] - Quote
+ 1 Cant find any fault with this idea. everyone wins \o/ |
Rin Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
115
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Posted - 2014.06.20 17:30:00 -
[418] - Quote
Glad and not glad to still see this thread around.
Only reason I am not glad is because the idea was never implemented TT_TT "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
58
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Posted - 2014.06.22 09:16:00 -
[419] - Quote
+1
Seems like a fine idea to me. Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya. |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2014.07.09 00:34:00 -
[420] - Quote
I still support this, it should be back on the front page for a bit :) So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1291
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Posted - 2014.07.09 08:41:00 -
[421] - Quote
So talking with incursion fleets the idea of either a repurposed rorqual (poor thing is lonely) or an orca would make a good choice fgor a ship that can carry fitted BS's (they wanted 2 plus a cruiser for incursion caravans)
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
353
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:54:00 -
[422] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:So talking with incursion fleets the idea of either a repurposed rorqual (poor thing is lonely) or an orca would make a good choice fgor a ship that can carry fitted BS's (they wanted 2 plus a cruiser for incursion caravans)
m (I haven't read the 21 pages of this thread, so if already mentioned, please be kind with your reply.) Wouldn't a module which converted ore cargo space to SMA space be less work for CCP to implement? Something along the lines of an overdrive (which converts cargo space to speed).
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
525
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Posted - 2014.07.09 19:22:00 -
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So, are we doing this thing yet? It woulda been handy to have around last weekend. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:24:00 -
[424] - Quote
I am floored by the amount of support this idea I came up with while drinking has received. And Mike, that is why I voted for you, you listen and actively engage the community while lending support to new or innovative ideas. Thanks for the support everyone. Keep it up and don't stop until we have this or something like this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:39:00 -
[425] - Quote
We can has? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1270
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Posted - 2014.07.17 03:40:00 -
[426] - Quote
This definitely would be beneficial to incursion runners as well as anyone who produces ships or transports as a neutral for war plagued corporations. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
543
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:11:00 -
[427] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:This definitely would be beneficial to incursion runners Not having to jump 30+ systems to get your logi because your battleship isn't needed..... *swoons* The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1270
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:50:00 -
[428] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:This definitely would be beneficial to incursion runners Not having to jump 30+ systems to get your logi because your battleship isn't needed..... *swoons*
Because you could carry both! And a mission runner and PvP frig for shenanigans. The possibilities are one of the things that make me keep pushing this. Also, for the pirate types, imagine the tears of popping one and it dropping a fully fit faction BS or Marauder. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
S3ND3TH
Czerka.
1
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Posted - 2014.07.22 17:45:00 -
[429] - Quote
Excellent idea +1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1270
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Posted - 2014.07.26 00:47:00 -
[430] - Quote
Why thank you! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:40:00 -
[431] - Quote
This here little idea could be a boon to incursion runners, manufacturers, neutral haulers and the pirates that kill the above. Keep the support rolling to keep it at the top and in view of all. We need more player created content, and this could pave the way for more. Thanks to present supporters, and let's get this idea spread like wildfire! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.04 19:04:00 -
[432] - Quote
Come on guys. Having people read isn't enough. Get them to add their opinions and other comments. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
5
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Posted - 2014.08.04 23:52:00 -
[433] - Quote
+1 on this. I agree. However I am curious for the cost on one of these ships. As there are mechanics in game to go around this already from courier contracts. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:35:00 -
[434] - Quote
Eldwinn wrote:+1 on this. I agree. However I am curious for the cost on one of these ships. As there are mechanics in game to go around this already from courier contracts.
I would say a happy medium between an orca and a freighter, maybe slightly hire to account for material costs. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:06:00 -
[435] - Quote
Keep the support/questions/comments/suggestions coming! It is clear that we have the attention of the CSM, so let's get more of the community's eyes on this and get CCP to know we as the players want and need this!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.15 23:42:00 -
[436] - Quote
MOAR POSTS! MOAR LIKES! DO THIS FOR MOAR SHIPS!!!!!!! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1365
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:37:00 -
[437] - Quote
Looks like someone is echoing your concept for missioneers
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.18 00:29:00 -
[438] - Quote
Oh really now? I know a buddy of mine spun it to a couple of other CSM members and announced his bid to run for CSM 10. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.18 18:37:00 -
[439] - Quote
Keep the support and suggestions coming! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:31:00 -
[440] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:Looks like someone is echoing your concept for missioneers
m Guilty as charged.
I had no clue this thread existed when I came up with my own similar concept. There are a lot of good ideas here that even I didnt consider.
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Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:58:00 -
[441] - Quote
I do have a new suggestion.
This is not to take away from the excellent work on the proposed four racial variants, but depending on CCP Dev thinking, a single race tug might or might not be an easier sell.
Since it cant be ORE for all the reasons already mentioned, why not SOE? They are very much involved in Exploration and Mission running, which are some of the people who will use it. Or as a secondary possibility couldnt CONCORD feel a need to release a ship in order to help combat Sansha incursions along with piracy from all the other pirate nations. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1272
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:09:00 -
[442] - Quote
SoE would not directly get involved with the production of a vessel which would be utilized to transport war ships. They are one of those entities that likes to maintain their neutrality. As for CONCORD, they have had bad experiences with capsuleers, and would not want to run the risk of allowing movement of war ships en masse in a transport ship.
Personally, I believe they would be best suited to be produced by each racial faction as each race would seek to have a vessel better suited to hauling their unique ship designs and shapes. And they would most likely run with a corporation that has an industrial background that could benefit from building things for military application. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:34:00 -
[443] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:SoE would not directly get involved with the production of a vessel which would be utilized to transport war ships. They are one of those entities that likes to maintain their neutrality. As for CONCORD, they have had bad experiences with capsuleers, and would not want to run the risk of allowing movement of war ships en masse in a transport ship.
Personally, I believe they would be best suited to be produced by each racial faction as each race would seek to have a vessel better suited to hauling their unique ship designs and shapes. And they would most likely run with a corporation that has an industrial background that could benefit from building things for military application.
On a personal level, I have no issues with where you are coming from. I much prefer the four racial variants as it will not make us jump through hoops to obtain one.
I made my suggestions to give the Devs an option that requires far less design and coding work. 1 ship is far less work than 4 and therefore may make it easier to get them on board. Once we have them on board and behind the idea, then there is nothing wrong with using Lore issues to get the racial versions out of them. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:40:00 -
[444] - Quote
To save some work they could even utilize modified freighter hull models as a starting point and then tweak them to make them unique. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
901
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:41:00 -
[445] - Quote
Introduce a new company, maby trying to wedge themselves into the ship building business in the freighter department. The support tug acts as the flagship of their product line with a couple of modified freighters to round out their sales catalog each with it's own faction bonuses. ( no idea what the other freighters would be geared toward though. ) The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1272
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:44:00 -
[446] - Quote
Also a good suggestion. Secondary product could be jump-capable variants. Or make a modular exploration platform ship which could effectively serve as a mobile command post which could improve life for wormhole dwellers or dedicated explorers. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1274
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:16:00 -
[447] - Quote
Let's keep the support train rolling. We need this to be added. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1282
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:44:00 -
[448] - Quote
Hi everybody. Just hoping to see more people express their opinion on this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1282
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:12:00 -
[449] - Quote
Moar ships! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
46
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Posted - 2014.09.07 11:39:00 -
[450] - Quote
I would buy one on launch day... |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1284
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Posted - 2014.09.07 20:08:00 -
[451] - Quote
I still want to see this for the community. Think of the uses and tears. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1438
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:03:00 -
[452] - Quote
Had a lovely discussion with an incursion fleet about this the other night. (I brought it up)
They liked the idea.
Then I said that it would become a PRIME target for gankers. There was silence as they thought about it.
'Yup, fair enough'
They then went back to dreaming about what the ship would look like, who would make it and the varying capacities and loot mechanisms.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1285
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Posted - 2014.09.08 17:49:00 -
[453] - Quote
Well Mike, in the first few pages I made suggestions as to builders and bonuses. As for my suggestions on looks, the art department would be better suited to make that call. I'm glad people are liking the idea, and hopefully we can get this thing made for everyone, even if tweaks have to be made. So long as it helps the community as a whole. I'm not glory seeking but at the same time, hopefully I'd get at least some credit for it. Haha. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1439
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:19:00 -
[454] - Quote
/me grins
If they give me any say in the name .. . .
I don't think I will push for Carrigan.
But damn Azariah sounds down right majestic, don't it?
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1285
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Posted - 2014.09.08 19:23:00 -
[455] - Quote
Hahaha! Don't really care about the name. A headnod would be nice though. I'm just glad this is still going in a positive direction. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1286
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Posted - 2014.09.12 22:57:00 -
[456] - Quote
Let's keep it going. Need more support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.13 21:06:00 -
[457] - Quote
Hello,
This is going to be a lengthy post but I've been mulling with a similar Idea... Jack I understand you would like to see new ships but I believe we have the same goal in mind, a high-sec ship transport, I'll make in the form of Dev post to be as clear as possible.. Also in this format the CSM's can bring it to the Dev's with a viable option in that looks familiar in language...
I'm asking everyone here to reconsider re-purposing the Rorqual to be used as the flagship of these Tug Class Concept vessels..
It's model already used in-game with attributes and stats that can be adjusted, rather then having the design team coming up with new ships, which frankly, all do the exact same thing.
Though the positioning of those ships as Orca sized variants is still plausible for empire variants. as far as I've seen could be T2 versions of the Freighters with but, being of lower mass (<300,000 kg) to facilitate WH usage they would loose most of their cargo capacity for it's dedicated purpose T2 of hauling ships... moving on
I'm going to using the re-balance of the T1 logistics ships, Transports and Industrials. The fact carriers were/are in highsec, loot mechanics of SMA in POS's, and the General Purpose/ Use of the ships class, and a bit of game design practicality just to toss it in the mix for proper justification...
Why the Rorqual?
It's purpose of crunching rocks has been moved to a POS module now, which is where many Rorqual's usually live long boring lives giving boosts, when you look at the ship line it's a T2/ Teir2 Orca. Speaking of which...
The Orca: (It's younger sibiling) is classified as an ORE, Capital Industrial ship, that can already haul any fitted ship with-in is Ship Maintenance Bay (SMB) in Hi-Sec. Having the Rorqual be able to do the same thing would only be the conclusion to the ship line, not a significant change. It does not make sense that the smaller ship is is able to do something the the larger cannot... in fact a Rorqual's SMB was limited to indy ships as an after thought, even in the description.
Freighters and Jump Freighters are also Capital class ships in High-Sec, not to mention in days of old Capitals were everywhere in Hi-Sec
Why Not a use Carrier?
Carriers Don't need to go in Hi-Sec, The Carrier is the, small Swiss army knife of eve, providing various support roles in direct combat situations. Carriers have the option to join-in in fights, while bringing Sub caps in it's hull to support the fleet even more, It's a combat ship first and for most.
The Rorqual is not a combat vessel could be used to bring ships into a System or WH with out expending time of mutliple jumps, this plays into the risk/reward factor. As a lone Roqual is just prey with out the luxury of going into triage
In Highsec it wouldn't be able to use the industrial Core module, just as you cannnot use bubbles or Bomb Launchers or any capital module that i'm aware of...
LOAR(get it) lore and purpose
The Rorqual was previously banned from Hi-Sec along because the gravitational wakes of it's mass. ORE realizing the needs of Deep Space Commanders went back to the design board extensively using nanofibers and polycarbon structures to reduce the mass of the ship as well as updated AI navigation protocols from the empires keeping these ships from interfering with populated worlds.. As such concord assembly lobbied by the Gallente Federation, have permitted these ships to travel in high security empire space. The empires seeing a use of the rapid deployment have modified some their current freighters to fill this need
ORE ships are primarily focused on Industrial activity's on the fringes of space.. This doesn't mean these are helpless targets as the Skiff and Prospect can be used for other purposes which adds content for all to enjoy...
This ship would be similar to a freighter in speed pilots would have to consider carrying a lot of ships or moving with some speed (relative)
Yes it would be a BIG target, and would drop ships/loot similarly to any Carrier or SMA. would there be anything wrong with that???
The Numbers
Well i'll start with the most important SMB: ~1,250,000m-¦ - 1,500,000m-¡-¦ (+250,000m-¦-500,000m-¦). By removing the Ore Hold (250,000m-¦) adding it to the SMB. Again Rorqual's don't sit in belts, but rather hang out in POS's.. With it's massive cargo bay Mining Op Commanders would be wise to carry a POS, Modules and fuel to ensure their operation has a fallback point and time to react to hostile forces in the area...
Skill bonus Changes:
5% Bonus to Mining Foreman Links (was 10% only if in Industrial Core mode) remove shield boost bonuses from here
Role Bonus Changes:
+1000% to Range of all remote shield boosters (was 50% per level to Capital Remote Shield Booster Range) The survey scan range and cargo scan range would be Fleet bonuses (rather then local).. 100% Bonus to Mining Foreman Link effectiveness When Industrial Core module is activated (Bring fleet bonuses back inline)
Hull Changes:
-30,000 Shields Hitpoint -10,000 Armor Hitpoints -60,000 Structure Hitpoints
Mass: 950,000 kg (-230,000 kg) allows it move through Hi-Sec Gates or C4 WH's (similar to Rhea JF's @ 960,000 kg)
Maximum Jump Range: 3.5 ly (-1.5ly) Consumption ammount: 5000 (+300) Warp Speed: 1.37au/s (-0.13au/s)
Price Tag: 10 Billion isk (positioning it between super and capitals, but over JF's. Just as the orca is Between a BS and a Carrier)
Skill set changes: I don't have a full answer for that yet I'ld love some input
Summary: TL;DR
With these changes to the Rorqual it, sacrifices robustness and some mobility, for versatility and practicality, able adapt to fill the various needs of all kinds of Deep Space Industrialists, while also being usable as our mystical HS-WH Carrier.
I'm open to any idea's and useful comments. (Here comes the RAGE) |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.09.14 03:50:00 -
[458] - Quote
However, if using the Rorqual model, one would presume an ORE manufactured ship. And as previously stated, ORE would not directly involve themselves in building ships that would overtly be used to transport war ships. It would ruin their neutrality, and likely cause other factions to target them for facilitating this.
And who said this would just be high sec? Because a later incarnation could be jump capable to facilitate transit from high to low/null in a more expedient and efficient manner. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:40:00 -
[459] - Quote
That almost sounds plausible, Execpt, it seems you've missed a few things
ORE:
- Is not Redesigning it for the explicit use in war, ship hauling is a legitimate business - Isn't neutral to the empires, they have high level ties in the gallente empire, remaining diplomatic with the others - employs others for security, and uses diplomacy (Fed Navy Blasters of the Black Eagles) to keep pirates neutral - does this already in with Orca Hull (you can place any fitted ship up to BC in a orca) with out any repercussions. - The Empires rely on ORE hulls for their industrial needs, it would be suicide to attack ORE
The Rorqual will keep it's jump drive: changes can be found in " The Numbers "
The range will be nerfed a little, but it's designed is to allow mining commanders to establish a Mining Outpost in the remote corners of the cluster, Even deep into Anoikis. As certain systems may only have a path leading to Hi-Sec. The Roqual would be able to take advantage of these circumstances. also when going into the Unknown it's wise to bring Spare ships and modules |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1289
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:06:00 -
[460] - Quote
Let's get some more support for this. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1291
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Posted - 2014.09.21 04:34:00 -
[461] - Quote
Keep the support flowing and fingers crossed. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1291
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Posted - 2014.09.21 19:51:00 -
[462] - Quote
Does anyone have any new input today? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
494
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:46:00 -
[463] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Does anyone have any new input today?
It's still a good idea. +1 more... :)
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1318
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Posted - 2014.09.22 16:38:00 -
[464] - Quote
Why thank you. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1453
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:55:00 -
[465] - Quote
Keep the dream afloat folks. Need this to stay toward the top for all to see. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
957
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:18:00 -
[466] - Quote
Another +10^10^100 The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1470
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:39:00 -
[467] - Quote
Thank ya kindly. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Ping Padecain
Obscured By Cows
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 11:36:00 -
[468] - Quote
+1 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1523
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:38:00 -
[469] - Quote
500+ likes that say we need this. Let's break 1000. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Targanoth
Soul Takers
3
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:26:00 -
[470] - Quote
Out of all the things in eve do we really need to make moving battleships in high sec a priority? Why are you constantly moving battleships? In what scenario do you need to move 3 battleships every day? |
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
961
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:50:00 -
[471] - Quote
Targanoth wrote:Out of all the things in eve do we really need to make moving battleships in high sec a priority? Why are you constantly moving battleships? In what scenario do you need to move 3 battleships every day? Incursions for one. It's also handy for alliances/corps that move around frequently. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1583
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:55:00 -
[472] - Quote
Also consider people doing gun running for people who are slammed by war decs. Incursions. People running missions in different areas, et cetera. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1584
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Posted - 2014.09.30 21:42:00 -
[473] - Quote
Also, loot pinata. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
161
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:18:00 -
[474] - Quote
I'm not a ship balancer but in principle I like this idea
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1644
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Posted - 2014.10.01 17:24:00 -
[475] - Quote
Glad to see another person in favor. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.02 11:43:00 -
[476] - Quote
MMHMM more likes. please
What do you think of making the those 4 ships have really low Mass 250-300k Tonnes... with three Lows to match it with JF's
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1747
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Posted - 2014.10.03 03:05:00 -
[477] - Quote
Not a bad suggestion! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:29:00 -
[478] - Quote
Force projection, is being Fozzied!!!! (that's a topic for a different thread) but i want to quote some thing from the blog that have relevance here
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/long-distance-travel-changes-inbound/
"As above, capital ships will be able to use stargates, but will for the time being they will still be barred from entering Highsec (that is a larger discussion that we would like to revisit in future)" -CCP Greyscale
"Jump Freighters and Rorquals will gain a role bonus: 90% reduction to effective range jumped for the purposes of all these calculations, but will otherwise get all the described changes. This means that, for all the math weGÇÖre doing on this feature, whenever we use the range jumped as a variable we first multiply it by 0.1. We will still likely want to revisit the logistical power of these ships in future, but for now we want to bring them into the new system without nerfing them too hard." -CCP Greyscale
It seems to me CCP is Paving the way forward so (Rorqual Proposal post: #457) and the other tugs may just have a niche after these New Changes...
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1768
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:19:00 -
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Indeed, and very relevant. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1820
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Posted - 2014.10.04 03:59:00 -
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Logistics has been an issue. Well this could help. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1958
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:30:00 -
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Keep it going guys.
With the jump drive needs, could be useful. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Dradis Aulmais
Ignite Llc. V.L.A.S.T
5
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:08:00 -
[482] - Quote
I have ships spread across high and this would be a big boost to move them in one spot |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1970
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:22:00 -
[483] - Quote
Well hopefully this can be made a reality. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Demon-of-Razgriz
Warlock Brigade Fortis Et Certus
3
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:47:00 -
[484] - Quote
I like the idea. Moving of fitted ships are a pain I would love to see a T2 variant with less tank ability but gain jump capability.
But this idea I give a +1. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
1978
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:49:00 -
[485] - Quote
Why thank you. Id like to see that too, but one step at a time. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.14 18:40:00 -
[486] - Quote
So... where to go from here.... |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
2658
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Posted - 2014.10.14 19:47:00 -
[487] - Quote
Hopefully across the cluster in new ships. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1699
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Posted - 2014.10.18 15:22:00 -
[488] - Quote
Saving Jack a bump.
On the plus side, once carriers are hit with the jump drive changes, don't you think there MIGHT be a shade more support for this concept?
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3084
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Posted - 2014.10.18 16:02:00 -
[489] - Quote
Thanks Mike. And I have a feeling that you may be right. Ive got my fingers crossed on this one still, and I'm still working out the idea for my next proposal but it'll hit F&I before it shows up here. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
4573
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Posted - 2014.10.18 20:37:00 -
[490] - Quote
YES! So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
370
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:02:00 -
[491] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:Saving Jack a bump.
On the plus side, once carriers are hit with the jump drive changes, don't you think there MIGHT be a shade more support for this concept?
m I see what you did there! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3116
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:31:00 -
[492] - Quote
I would like to thank everyone who helped me come up with this, everyone who posted and liked, and Mike Azariah for keeping his campaign promise of speaking for the community.
Surprise covers it well. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
5562
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:34:00 -
[493] - Quote
Congratulations!
"A City made of Wood is built in the forest; A City made of Stone is built in the mountains; But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven." GÖâ-áJovian Proverb-áGÖâ |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3122
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:36:00 -
[494] - Quote
Thanks! "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Rin Valador
Dark Horizon Logistics and Intelligence
134
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:29:00 -
[495] - Quote
WOOO ITS COMING! "There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10 |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3167
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Posted - 2014.10.18 23:23:00 -
[496] - Quote
Take a bow. Couldn't have done it without the support. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4042
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:11:00 -
[497] - Quote
I'm just waiting for the loss of a Tug filled with shiny fit Incursion battleships
(rather than the sensible option of unfitting the modules, and just moving the rigged ships, before moving the modules seperately) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3187
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:22:00 -
[498] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:I'm just waiting for the loss of a Tug filled with shiny fit Incursion battleships (rather than the sensible option of unfitting the modules, and just moving the rigged ships, before moving the modules seperately) Well, that is a risk that will likely be taken. I want to score a killmail like that.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives"-á |
Breast Bandit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.10.19 02:40:00 -
[499] - Quote
Congrats Jack
http://evenews24.com/2014/10/19/new-t3-ships-announced/ |
Shamus en Divalone
The Clandestine Forge
24
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Posted - 2014.10.19 06:59:00 -
[500] - Quote
WTG man!
Looks freakin awesome! |
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3605
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:13:58 -
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Thanks all. Only one more question remains.
I can has?
I'm just floored that this got through, and hopefully it means we can get more good ideas through the maze of "Nerf incursions" "the AFK cloakies scare me" and "eff carebears" threads.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Tug-class Vessel||
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mr ed thehouseofed
Wrought iron Industries
18272
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Posted - 2014.10.21 02:22:11 -
[502] - Quote
congrats jack on your idea getting support from CCP
i want a eve pinball machine... -áconfirming -áCCP Cognac is best cognac
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3605
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Posted - 2014.10.21 04:07:31 -
[503] - Quote
Thanks ed. And now we wait for it to be released in all its glory.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Tug-class Vessel||
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Valkin Mordirc
319
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Posted - 2014.10.22 02:18:40 -
[504] - Quote
Congrats dude! Always nice to see the community being recognized
#DeleteTheWeak
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Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion
231
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Posted - 2014.10.23 00:44:00 -
[505] - Quote
Don't stop believin'!
EVE Down Under 2014 (Australia's very own fanfest)
21st to 23rd November 2014 in Sydney, Australia
www.evedownunder.com
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
3702
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Posted - 2014.10.23 00:45:55 -
[506] - Quote
Bam Stroker wrote:Don't stop believin'! Dude, we are getting it! Was announced at EVE Vegas.
I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Demon your parents warned you about.
||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Tug-class Vessel||
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Bam Stroker
Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion
235
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Posted - 2014.10.23 03:35:08 -
[507] - Quote
Yeah, I was there! Don't stop believin' even after it's a thing. :p ALWAYS NEVER DON'T NOT STOP BELIEVIN'!
EVE Down Under 2014 (Australia's very own fanfest)
21st to 23rd November 2014 in Sydney, Australia
www.evedownunder.com
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Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.10.31 08:31:07 -
[508] - Quote
Just saw a Dev mention the tug and a Dec launch, so came here to see if it was true. I cant wait to see what actually comes out. Nice work. |
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