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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
505
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:14:00 -
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Another bump in support of the space truckers who help with the logistics side of warfare.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
10
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:45:00 -
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I generally like the principle. but if you are going to call the ship class a tug abandon the dedicated cargo hold suggestion.
give them exclusive access to three capital class tractor beams and have all four vessels fly in formation.
the towed vessels should be (1) empty of pod pilots (2) have all modules offline
so that if a pirate gang was to intercept they could board the vessels but would have a helluva time delay to get them started and a logistics problem to suss out about what to do with their original ship. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
505
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:14:00 -
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Snowflake Tem wrote:I generally like the principle. but if you are going to call the ship class a tug abandon the dedicated cargo hold suggestion.
give them exclusive access to three capital class tractor beams and have all four vessels fly in formation.
the towed vessels should be (1) empty of pod pilots (2) have all modules offline
so that if a pirate gang was to intercept they could board the vessels but would have a helluva time delay to get them started and a logistics problem to suss out about what to do with their original ship.
Since initial work it has been changed to Envoy-class. And the External towing of ships would be a mechanics nightmare. That, and it is just downright ridiculous.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
511
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:56:00 -
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Bumping for exposure.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
10
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Posted - 2012.02.03 09:32:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:
Since initial work it has been changed to Envoy-class. And the External towing of ships would be a mechanics nightmare. That, and it is just downright ridiculous.
Fair enough, I can understand you wanting the functionality sooner rather than later, but, they are going to have to work on formations as some point. When they do, it would be unbelievable not to see tractor towed ships. It is an ubiquitous sci-fi utility.
Tractor mods need some attention, there is a whole host of stuff that should be legal to tow that isnt.
I'm suggesting that this class of ship would benefit from the development of the formations mech, and an iteration of the tractor mechs.
What would be even better in my opinion is an open skeletal ship model that showed the contents of it's hull. But that would open up a whole different can of worms. |
Dario Welling
IX Legio Hispana Aquila
Viking Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:17:00 -
[66] - Quote
+1 very good idea nothing to add |
Lavayar
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 12:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
Supported.
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Shingorash
S T R A T C O M
NEM3SIS.
8
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Posted - 2012.02.03 13:25:00 -
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Not a bad idea, not something I would use personally as I just sell all my stuff and move on so I dont have to move anything.
I see the use though for some people... |
Zaxix
Black Frog Logistics
Red-Frog
29
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Posted - 2012.02.03 15:35:00 -
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I'm always mystified by the suggestions for creating entire classes of ships simply to save money on rigs. All that coding, balancing, art resources, blueprints, construction calculations, etc. just because people don't want to strip rigs off their ships. Being able to carry 3 rigged battleships is the equivalent of carrying 1.5million or more m3, which far exceeds the capacity of any other ship in eve, including carriers. You can move 2 rigged battleships in a freighter using courier contracts. If the only purpose of the ship is to move rigged ships and all it CAN move are rigged ships, then its pointless. Just strip the rigs off the BS already.
Not supported.
Red Frog--Hisec Courier
Black Frog--Losec/Nosec Courier
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
513
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Posted - 2012.02.04 00:47:00 -
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The idea behind it is not just to have it and fly it just because you can. The idea is to save money and further immersion and flesh out ship roles a little more, and to add another aspect to the game.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
515
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:54:00 -
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The backbone of any warfighting operation is timely logistical support. This would allow for additional vessels to be supplied to pilots in an expedient manner.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Vasya Kosyakov
Ad Astra Vexillum
THE UNTHINKABLES
2
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Posted - 2012.02.05 17:28:00 -
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+1 For me, now bring me those ships BLACK FROG! |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
516
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:40:00 -
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The amount of feedback (mostly positive, and very little negative) is astounding. Let's keep this idea moving in a forward direction.
If you must make negative feedback, at least propose something that would be helpful as a tweak.
But then again, there hasn't been much in the terms of feedback that has been hollow and negative.
Let's get some CSM and Dev input on this. Keep the ideas and support flowing.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Maikahn
Fenrir's Dogs of War
Union 0f Revolution
1
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:22:00 -
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I like this idea. Hauling ships around is a pain. Shuttling back 'n forth takes a good deal of time, time I rather spend shooting.
No slots, no ejection option. +1 from me. |
Zanban
Stealth Sector
The Revenant Order
17
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:51:00 -
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Still thank this is a great plan |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
521
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Posted - 2012.02.07 06:28:00 -
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Zanban wrote:Still thank this is a great plan
And I refuse to let this one quietly fade into obscurity.
Let's get some support and input folks!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
522
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:03:00 -
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Bump for exposure to hopefully draw some more love for the space truckers.
We need new ships!!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
522
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:49:00 -
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Bump of the day to get more exposure/support for the idea!
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Amaya Blaze
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:51:00 -
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Great idea.
I also like the idea of small tug class vessels with remote agility and align speed or other such modules for getting big ships into and out of stations faster.
I would like to point out that the gank level of this ship needs to be somewhere about the 1.5 bil or so mark otherwise it will just be a large juicy target for any destroyer group. If you can carry around battleships in warp you need to be massively large and consequently very tough target just based on size alone. The ship in space also needs to dwarf all other ship models by a good margin because seriously, it should be big enough to look like it can swallow other ships. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
527
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Posted - 2012.02.13 05:33:00 -
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Can we get some more love for this idea? I think we can.
Is there a Dev or CSM member in the house?
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Zanban
Stealth Sector
The Revenant Order
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:16:00 -
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Bump, this needs some more support |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:35:00 -
[82] - Quote
I support this idea.
+1 |
BIGTEX123
Wormhole Exploration Crew
R.E.P.O.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:28:00 -
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I'm not a freighter pilot but it's still a great idea. Definitely to get someone else to haul my BS's across space for me....oh and the tears that would fall if it was ganked. =D |
Davader
Space Cleaners
Bright Side of Death
23
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:23:00 -
[84] - Quote
That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
973
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:51:00 -
[85] - Quote
Davader wrote:That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho.
Agreed. Getting SMAs and corp hangars to drop loot really needs to be done. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:16:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:Because it is designed as a Tier 2 Freighter.
I think a ship like this should be tier 3 or 4. Make it require racial freighter 5
It would fill the gap in capital ships between the regular freighters and jump freighters. Much like the covetor is a step between the retriever and hulk but needs level 5 skills.
If it was to be an ORE ship it would be cool to have it a tech 2 version of the ORCA. Drop it to 1 utility high slot, no gang link modules, no ORE hold, minimal cargo hold, leave the corp hanger, drastically increase the ship maintenance hanger so it can hold 2-3 battleships. No jump drive as there would be no room for it with the expanded ship maintenance hanger. and you could customize the tank, passive buffer tank or active tank how ever you see fit. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
38
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:19:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Davader wrote:That would work only when ship maintenance bay will participate in the drop. Now ships from ship maintenance bay are not dropping into a wreck (as well as corporate hangars content). When this will be fixed (for all ships - carrier, orca, etc), then it's time to introduce such 'thug' ships, imho. Agreed. Getting SMAs and corp hangars to drop loot really needs to be done.
For added depth it would be cool if items/ships in the corp hanger or ship maintenance arrays dropped in locked containers that needed to be hacked before being looted. It would add some differentiation between regular cargo and give the owner a chance to retrieve the stuff before it gets looted.
ships though might have to drop as a whole ship as in sitting in space with no pilot as the only ship capable of looting an assembled battleship would be a carrier. then the tug/freighter pilot could try to jump into one of the ships that dropped when they get ganked. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
545
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Posted - 2012.02.16 03:15:00 -
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Bump for more support.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
35
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Posted - 2012.02.16 04:16:00 -
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I think this is a really good idea although personally I'd like to see the tug being able to pull any ship that exists.
Either way, I've liked the post.
I know this is cheeky, but what the hell.
At the moment I'm standing for the CSM. I'd be very be happy to raise this idea if I get voted in. Obviously this is a big 'if'. The first stage of this is making the shortlist. At the moment I'm quite a few 'likes' short of the 100 that I need to get onto the ballot.
If you wanted to help me on my way with a 'like' for my election post, I'd really appreciate the support. Obviously if other support that you send my way would also be very gratefully received.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
551
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:18:00 -
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Mu'ad Diib wrote:I think this is a really good idea although personally I'd like to see the tug being able to pull any ship that exists.
Either way, I've liked the post.
I know this is cheeky, but what the hell.
At the moment I'm standing for the CSM. I'd be very be happy to raise this idea if I get voted in. Obviously this is a big 'if'. The first stage of this is making the shortlist. At the moment I'm quite a few 'likes' short of the 100 that I need to get onto the ballot.
If you wanted to help me on my way with a 'like' for my election post, I'd really appreciate the support. Obviously if other support that you send my way would also be very gratefully received.
.
Nice shameless plug.
Sorry mate, I already know what candidate I'm supporting.
And let's stay on topic please.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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