There are a few good arguments in here, and I'm hardly in a position to dispute them, but this prompted me to look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_tactics, and compare it.

I would guess that "Force concentration" is what people are complaining about, but it would be interesting if some of the other tactics were more viable in this game. Obviously, things involving weather or terrain don't really apply to a space environment (and hiding behind asteroids and using "smoke-screens" of some kind would involve line-of-sight calculations which people have argued against in other threads).

"Camouflage", I guess, has transformed into cloaking, but to be consistent with that idea, if I'm "found", I can be "lost" again if I use the right tactics. So why can't I cloak if someone has target-lock on me? I'm technically harmless while cloaked, right? (I'm sure someone will come up with a gameplay reason why that would be "overpowered", but that's just an example.)

"Deception" would be interesting - what if I could disguise myself as blue temporarily and warp into the middle of an enemy fleet - surprise!
Or disguise myself as an asteroid, as has been mentioned in other threads.

"ECM" you all know and love - I'm sure 200 Falcons dropping in to say "Hi" are welcomed with open arms!
A variation on that though, is radio jamming - what if someone could disrupt the enemies fleet chat? (everyone would go to voice/TS3, etc, but it would certainly make things interesting. Perhaps too disruptive for a computer game, though, which is hardly a life or death situation...)

"Flanking" is something that could be interesting - is it possible to do that in EVE? It says the main goal of flanking is to restrict movement, which I suppose the bubble does now.

A futuristic equivalent of fortifications could be the projection of a force-field around whom you suspect to be the alpha-target - something projected by logis for example, that can absorb enormous amounts of firepower, perhaps blocking out-going weapons fire, and having longish cycle times, to balance it. Would that force/encourage the selection of multiple alpha-targets by the other fleet, perhaps with bluffing attacks on false-alphas so logis protect the wrong target?
(Clarification: a force-field prevents damage, whereas a logi heals damage already done, therefore it's different to just having extra logis)

Don't worry, goonswarm will do CCP's job and troll him off the bored like the rest of these vile pundits who want a fun game to play.

really?

when do you figure that will happen

page 10?

i have a better idea

bring more friends

lmao

Don't worry, goonswarm will do CCP's job and troll him off the bored like the rest of these vile pundits who want a fun game to play.

You have been flagged by the RMT Propaganda machine.
Your forum days are numbered.

Show of support for getting dev time for fixing the Alpha problem.

we all know the HP buff did nothing to curb the Alpha problem

we know there's a large part of eve that hates the Alpha problem

we know there a large part of EvE that wish for a more tactic's filled game*

Asking CCP to fix Alpha? What, are you nuts? And how exactly are the Goons supposed to rule Eve if they fixed that?
I mean really have you thought this through? If you did that you might actually have fleets of varying sizes roaming Zero and then the next thing you know we would have smaller groups trying to enter Zero.

The next thing you will probably be asking for is some mechanism other than gate ganks at the entry points. Geez, not long after that we would have random people wandering all over Zero looking for a fight.... Nooo! we can't allow that! Sorry...

but can we get a CCP Forum Moderator to just shut this thread down please and ban everyone even suggesting such an idea. Let's do that right now, otherwise the Developers will have to do a lot of coding.


Sheesh! What was that guy thinking!

This will be the death of Eve.

As a player, I have no interest in serving in this type of group.
As a subscriber, I will not pay for this type of a game.
You have lost two paying subscriptions that I am involved with because of it.
How many potential subscribers have you failed to keep as well CCP?

Nerf anything that causes me to lose

As you already pointed out, "jamming" in-game comms is completely useless. Messing with out of game comms does happen at alliance level, and is one of the hardest hits you can inflict to a fleet.

Except logis will end up forcing every fight to a stalemate.

Fun fights, indeed.

If you want to add more tactics, then CCP should do something about the on-grid probing. That's killing off the age-old tactics of sniping, and is a much smaller change than pissing about with trying to do weird things like "fixing the alpha problem".

^ fixing that problem would be moving in the right way, but it in no way solves all of the problems of null combat

you end up with 2 types of alpha fleets long range and med range.


so long as the best solution in large fights stays EVERYONE SHOOT X its still broken.

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i welcome the return of sniper fleets

One question: Why do you think "alpha" is being used?

As already stated, Eve already suffers from an overtanking problem. It is already really hard to break through an abaddon fleet if one fourth or one third of it consists of guardians/archons (kinda similar thing with drakes and scimis on bc level). Reducing the number of ships that can lock a (hostile) target would just make it ridiculous.

The alpha doctrine (mael or baddon) was specifically designed as a way around this. It is not however the best way, it is just the simplest one and is the least demanding on your average Joe McF1. Furthermore, the fleet doesn't work if it's size goes under certain critical mass. If anything, I would lobby for somewhat reducing the ehp across the board so that stuff would die faster.

How to fight and win against the blob?

Dont engage the blob.

Be in more places than the blob can be at all at once.

Definelty let the enemies blob for no reason its a real moral killer after doing this against them for a month.

Have nothing the blob can destroy while you are all alseep.

Pick off stragglers.