What constitutes a blob? Where do blobs most commonly appear?

What constitutes a blob? Where do blobs most commonly appear?

Give everyone a Doomsday, they who select the most targets and pull the trigger first wins.... Problem solved.

Guys lets punish people for having friends and being organised.

True, but wouldn't it be nice to have Eagle be FOTM for once?

We do indeed need to have a way to discourage blobs, or at least to discourage "primary 1-2-3" fighting, but I have not seen any ideas that are not broken by design, or easily exploited (like the stacking penalty for targeting thing).

Ok, so if changing core mechanics or having fancy modules doesn't really solve the problem (if it is one, as some consider it valid gameplay), would just having better FC tools enable alternative gameplay, without forcing it? Things such as letting an FC select 10 targets to spread the fire around a little more efficiently (perhaps with a randomise option so people don't just target the first one on the list)? Basically, keep the sandboxxy-ness - give them the tools, and see what they do with it?

+1 OP for content, though your delivery is costing you some support I think.

It has already been said. To get on the killmail.

Altho i would change allow to demand .. just to be on spot..
Something what Taiwanistan said on the other thread... simultaneous attack on three spots .. to weaken an sovereignty then the "HQ" or something like that..

[...] until we have 3000+ in a system and CCP are bitching at us for stuffing too many people in to one system.

Nope, because out-of-game comms are mostly used for target calling anyway, and FCs focus fire in order to be absolutely sure to get the target. Some better FC tools would be nice (like hotkeys for broadcasting targets) but most importantly FCs need an incentive to shoot more than one person at once, whether that's provided by mechanics, or something else.

Ok, so did out-of-game comms (or EVE-Voice) become better because the in-game tools were crap, or will voice always be better regardless of the tools available?

What about a hierarchical fleet window integrated with voice (don't know if you can do that with external tools such as TeamSpeak) where the FC clicks on a level (such as all fleet members, just wing commanders, just an individual wing, etc) and voice-comms are then filtered to just that selection, so people aren't swamped with commands that aren't relevant to them?
Also, from the other end, individual wings could have open comms relevant to their wing without swamping the rest of the fleet.

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What you would propose in this thread is to swing the nerf bat and eliminate or hinder the ability of a fleet to concentrate its fire for no logical reason because you think itGÇÖs an unfair advantage. I would argue that what needs to be done is some analysis of the problem of the 1000 man alpha blob in order to counter it with new tactics. There are disadvantages to the 1000 man alpha blob, flexibility and the ability to react quickly being two that spring to mind immediately. In my opinion FCs need to learn how to maneuver their fleets as well as they direct their fire. I also think that the answer to the 1000 man alpha blob lies in the use of multiple small highly coordinated and maneuverable fleets to take full advantage of the GÇÿblobGÇÖ part of the 1000 man alpha blob.
Remember, in War, if itGÇÖs a fair fight, youGÇÖre doing it wrong.
Just my .02

any FC is calling down fire from 1000 ships onto one should be primaried themselves and fired from their job as FC. that is only slightly better then a free for all shoot out.

a good fleet will split their fire into smaller groups that will take out a ship in one to three shots. these fire groups should be made up ships with similar rates of fire and locking speed because if they are not then you will run into situations where some people are just not firing and this is a loss in damage.

it has been a long time since i have been part of a big fleet battle, i retired from nulsec when i made this toon, so i cant comment on the current situation, but i really hope that the large alliances havent resorted to such lazy tactics.

many modern military tactics work very well in eve, they just are not used used that much, or i havent seen them used, but if FCs and alliance officials put some through into what they are doing they would do a lot better on the battle field.

I agree with this, but the trouble is, this basically requires FCs to be taught about tactics, requiring some dedication that the average player probably doesn't want to deal with. Hence the shortage of good FCs.

I wonder what would happen to this game if 50% of the FCs went on holiday, or played Skyrim, for a month...

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a smart FC would be using wings or even individual smaller fleets who can focus plenty of alpha on multiple primaries while still retaining superior mobility

You'll find that's how all EVE combat is, large scale or not. If you take a 3v3 fight, if all 3 concentrate on burning down the other fleet 1 by 1, while the other fleet is shooting at their own targets, the fleet taking down the other guys 1 by 1 will win because they reduce the incoming DPS by 33% way before the other fleet has taken down anyone. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the fleet taking down the other fleet 1 by 1 were to survive without a loss. Add logistics to the picture, and this gets even worse.

The only way you can realistically get "better combat" in EVE, is if they reworked the entire flight mechanics to be more like X-Wing etc. Good luck with that. Apart from that, the only thing you can hope for is that CCP rework things like the SOV mechanics so it's more natural to spread out your forces rather than throw up to 3k people into the same system.

Focus firing really should be changed so it is not the only viable tactic for viable fleet fights.

Whether that's a logistics nerf in addition to restricted targeting, a form of space 'terrain' to stop ships sitting in huge blobs where every ship can readily fire at every other ship, fortress shield thing to defend your fleet or split another, or any other number of crazy schemes, fleet combat needs to have strategic depth similar to an RTS, and less like whack-a-mole.

Focus firing really should be changed so it is not the only viable tactic for viable fleet fights.

How to fight and win against the blob?

Dont engage the blob.

Be in more places than the blob can be at all at once.

Definelty let the enemies blob for no reason its a real moral killer after doing this against them for a month.

Have nothing the blob can destroy while you are all alseep.

Pick off stragglers.