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jely	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:49:00 - [61] Originally by: largewhereitcounts ______You would have separate servers for space flight and surface playing, the surface would include all ground units and atmospheric flight but of course clouds would obscure high altitude flights from the ground units and vice versa unless a scan was used. With the blizzcon coming up I have to wonder. _____ It would suck in any mmorpg players souls that blizzard does not own yet because they might hate elves and orcs. You would have less gear options for your person than WOW, for example just a suit type a weapon type and ammo and a secondary one and a lifepack type. The ships would be where real customization would be. You would be able to hold space but any battles would become an instance when they happen and be supported by a separate server with a hard limit of 200 in most places. ______It would be different from WOW in the fact that its in space and you can lose your ships. Oh wait... Thats why we all play eve isnt it? Where's your intel coming from? if you have any direct us to it. personally i think your talking to the wrong crowd about a blizzard mmo everyone i have talked to in this game hates WoW because the pvp is basically useless. But if it interests you that much then go, and hey i wont even ask you for your stuff but i'm sure someone else will
CagedRage BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:50:00 - [62] Originally by: Lord WarATron Minigin....... is that you? Hahaha, that made me laugh.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:52:00 - [63] While I'm sure Blizzard would make a fine game, the simple fact is that Blizzard makes games to make tons of money. For that reason, it would not compete with Eve. Blizzard would not include the complexity, depth and risk elements that, for better or worse, keep Eve at a much smaller subscriber total. I seriously doubt vast numbers of Eve players would leave for something that, from their perspective, would look like a dumbed down but prettier version of Eve. I think that most Eve players, even your empire hugging care beariest carebears think that the fact that you can lose your ship, heck can lose everything you've spent months building towards, is an important component. Consequences. It is what makes you feel like you are in a real world. A Blizzard game would not have this because it does not appeal to the vast majority of players, which is fine, but not how most Eve players (in my experience) look for. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:57:00 - [64] Originally by: Maxpie While I'm sure Blizzard would make a fine game, the simple fact is that Blizzard makes games to make tons of money. Well, ahem, every corporation does. YES, even CCP wants money. But saying Blizzard makes games to make money, is a load of crock. They are popular, yes. They make money because of it, yes. But they wouldn't have so many players, for example, in WoW if things didn't work. Right genre, right elements, top notch game(as a "fluffy" MMO like you guys probably say(which means every other then EVE)) and top numbers in players. You can sell a pile of **** to some, but not to more people then are living in Finland! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Maxpie While I'm sure Blizzard would make a fine game, the simple fact is that Blizzard makes games to make tons of money. Well, ahem, every corporation does. YES, even CCP wants money. But saying Blizzard makes games to make money, is a load of crock. They are popular, yes. They make money because of it, yes. But they wouldn't have so many players, for example, in WoW if things didn't work. Right genre, right elements, top notch game(as a "fluffy" MMO like you guys probably say(which means every other then EVE)) and top numbers in players. You can sell a pile of **** to some, but not to more people then are living in Finland! I'm not saying Wow isn't a nice game (though personally I found it quite boring) and I'm not saying CCP doesn't want to make money. What I'm saying is that Blizzard games will be geared towards the mass market. While CCP wants to make money, you can't exactly say Eve is geared to the mass market. I doubt that most Eve players would like to switch to something more simplistic and, shall we say, 'kid friendly.' He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:06:00 - [66] EVE would not die, but it would lose a fair amount of players if Starcraft online had better PvE than EVE (Almost a slam dunk guarantee) And if it also had true safe zones, where there is no griefing. (Also very likely...) EVE would most certainly see a drop in numbers... But that would be good for the PK'ers in EVE, as they hate Carebears ruining "their game" anyways... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Maxpie I'm not saying Wow isn't a nice game (though personally I found it quite boring) and I'm not saying CCP doesn't want to make money. What I'm saying is that Blizzard games will be geared towards the mass market. While CCP wants to make money, you can't exactly say Eve is geared to the mass market. I doubt that most Eve players would like to switch to something more simplistic and, shall we say, 'kid friendly.' Actually, it's almost 95% of the time that games are somewhat designed for the "casual player". No company in their right mind begins to make a game for the hardcore fans, or a select agegroup, or even for a certain type of people. I bet if you asked a CCP employee(i'm thinking), they would say that although they want to keep their vision, keep the game nature and keep the playerbase happy, they would hope that they could bring it to a more casual crowd also. If the game makes it and is popular, is a whole different ballpark. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:18:00 - [68] Any online space combat game that has *NO LAG* could pose serious competition for CCP
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Price Watcher online *NO LAG* Luckily that's an oxymoron So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Edenn	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:24:00 - [70] Originally by: largewhereitcounts ______You would have separate servers for space flight and surface playing, the surface would include all ground units and atmospheric flight but of course clouds would obscure high altitude flights from the ground units and vice versa unless a scan was used. With the blizzcon coming up I have to wonder. _____ It would suck in any mmorpg players souls that blizzard does not own yet because they might hate elves and orcs. You would have less gear options for your person than WOW, for example just a suit type a weapon type and ammo and a secondary one and a lifepack type. The ships would be where real customization would be. You would be able to hold space but any battles would become an instance when they happen and be supported by a separate server with a hard limit of 200 in most places. ______It would be different from WOW in the fact that its in space and you can lose your ships. Oh wait... Thats why we all play eve isnt it? If SC2 ships out and will be close to EVE (gameplay), then EVE dies. Since blizzard knows how to do balance and not making ppl wait 6+ monthes to start playing.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:26:00 - [71] Now if you really want an "end of the worlds" scenario, just pray whatever deities you may prefer that they don't make... drumroll queu dramatic music Starcontrol Online!! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Blacktail Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:31:00 - [72] It would happen like this: PVE'ers would leave EVE for what would likely be a better PVE experience in the next sci-fi space MMO. At this, the PVP players celebrate, as they are finally free from the carebear side of the game. Combat is plentiful and fun, until everybody runs out of ships and cash. Then much of the PVP populus leaves as well. And so on and so forth... Until it's just 7 people running around in frigates. And man, it's gonna be fun
PathetiQ Gallente The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:34:00 - [73] damn it happen again, i cant read pink!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:36:00 - [74] Originally by: Blacktail PVE'ers would leave EVE for what would likely be a better PVE experience in the next sci-fi space MMO. At this, the PVP players celebrate, as they are finally free from the carebear side of the game. Combat is plentiful and fun, until everybody runs out of ships and cash. After which a couple of already rather bored PVPers decide there's SUCH a huge market for industry, they'll hang their battlecoat and go there for a change. Fixed it So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:39:00 - [75] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Dark Shikari Starcraft 2 is going to be nothing but Warcraft 3 in space. Therefore, Starcraft Online would be nothing but WoW in space. Therefore, it would not be a competitor to EVE. Are you so sure? Read the intro to paragraph two! [/violet] Just because you say so doesn't make it true. Juse because you say it isnt so doesnt make it not true. 2 days till im gone for good again
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:39:00 - [76] Originally by: Blacktail It would happen like this: PVE'ers would leave EVE for what would likely be a better PVE experience in the next sci-fi space MMO. At this, the PVP players celebrate, as they are finally free from the carebear side of the game. Combat is plentiful and fun, until everybody runs out of ships and cash. Then much of the PVP populus leaves as well. And so on and so forth... Until it's just 7 people running around in frigates. And man, it's gonna be fun Unlikely... There would be enough players in EVE who would want to stick around and do industry... You would lose a lot of the solo-PvE type players. Mission runners, ratters, plex*****s & such... EVE would probably be a better game, less lag, etc. It just wouldn't be good for CCP's pocket book... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Blacktail Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:40:00 - [77] Edited by: Blacktail on 01/08/2007 17:40:16 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Blacktail PVE'ers would leave EVE for what would likely be a better PVE experience in the next sci-fi space MMO. At this, the PVP players celebrate, as they are finally free from the carebear side of the game. Combat is plentiful and fun, until everybody runs out of ships and cash. After which a couple of already rather bored PVPers decide there's SUCH a huge market for industry, they'll hang their battlecoat and go there for a change. Fixed it I like my 7 frigate future better
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Maxpie While I'm sure Blizzard would make a fine game, the simple fact is that Blizzard makes games to make tons of money. Well, ahem, every corporation does. YES, even CCP wants money. But saying Blizzard makes games to make money, is a load of crock. If ccp wasnt interested in mopney everything would be free.... ie EVE TV >.< 2 days till im gone for good again
wettestwillie Gallente Scotopia	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:42:00 - [79] Eve is the only game of its kind, nothing else can compare to the graphics. I've been playing almost two years and every time I warp to a gas cloud or a sun it takes my breath away. However, due to the recent nerf of my entire eve career (drone nos boats). If WOS comes out and is any good I might have to consider. I only have 500k in gunnery and I feel like I've just started the game again trying to make any use out of hybrids.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:51:00 - [80] the only problem with this is the only mention of a WOSC coming out seems to be a PCGamer article that says something like "blizzard has pulled the starcraft liscence out for two new games... is one an MMO??" So It might well just be SC2 and SC: Ghost :p 2 days till im gone for good again
Vexoth Two Guys Mining	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:04:00 - [81] Originally by: largewhereitcounts ______You would have separate servers for space flight and surface playing, the surface would include all ground units and atmospheric flight but of course clouds would obscure high altitude flights from the ground units and vice versa unless a scan was used. With the blizzcon coming up I have to wonder. _____ It would suck in any mmorpg players souls that blizzard does not own yet because they might hate elves and orcs. You would have less gear options for your person than WOW, for example just a suit type a weapon type and ammo and a secondary one and a lifepack type. The ships would be where real customization would be. You would be able to hold space but any battles would become an instance when they happen and be supported by a separate server with a hard limit of 200 in most places. ______It would be different from WOW in the fact that its in space and you can lose your ships. Oh wait... Thats why we all play eve isnt it? No Ugly font color. Eve is not going anywhere. Blizzard certainly won't hurt it.
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:09:00 - [82] A lot of carebears play EVE because it is the only game that caters to their industrial capabilities. No way in hell is Blizzard going to make a game with a market even close to as awesome as that in EVE or even a craft system on the same magnitude of scale. That being said, I would play the Starcraft MMO to merely reach max level. Leveling to 60 was awesome in WOW. Just the end game sucked ****.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Dark Shikari Starcraft 2 is going to be nothing but Warcraft 3 in space. You're an idiot. Ok, ok, so you usually have good posts. This one, in particular, is wrong. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:40:00 - [84] CCP seems to think the opposite - that a game like Starcraft Online would actually INCREASE their subscribers. In an interview here, CEO Hilmar Petursson noted how many people come from other games to EVE, and that some time after Starcraft Online started, they would see Starcraft Online players moving on - to EVE. This is more than theory - some time after WOW came out, there were a lot of WOW players who moved to EVE. Judging by that interview, a new sci-fi game would actually be good news. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Edenn If SC2 ships out and will be close to EVE (gameplay), then EVE dies. Since blizzard knows how to do balance and not making ppl wait 6+ monthes to start playing. Active players would decrease for about 6 DAYS, then come back to EvE because they would already be at maximum level on SC2 and bored again. EvE players are not out for instant gratification, that is what Counter Strike is for. The sweat and tears that goes into getting somewhere in EvE is what makes it worth playing <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Vitrael Warriors of the Einherjar Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:55:00 - [86] Epic troll thread: Warcraft is a bad Warhammer ripoff. Starcraft is a bad Warhammer 40k ripoff. CCP and Blizzard? Apples and oranges.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Vitrael Epic troll thread: Warcraft is a bad Warhammer ripoff. Starcraft is a bad Warhammer 40k ripoff. CCP and Blizzard? Apples and oranges. You mean epic troll post. Starcraft a rip off not really.
Abrah	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:54:00 - [88] And do not forget about another important point, in case of a starcraft mmo or any other mmo alot of people will set a long skill to train suspent the account or if they have money they will not. play the other mmo for a wile and return to eve. all this thx to the good the good implementation of skill-training/char. development
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.01 20:54:00 - [89] Originally by: Edenn Originally by: largewhereitcounts ______You would have separate servers for space flight and surface playing, the surface would include all ground units and atmospheric flight but of course clouds would obscure high altitude flights from the ground units and vice versa unless a scan was used. With the blizzcon coming up I have to wonder. _____ It would suck in any mmorpg players souls that blizzard does not own yet because they might hate elves and orcs. You would have less gear options for your person than WOW, for example just a suit type a weapon type and ammo and a secondary one and a lifepack type. The ships would be where real customization would be. You would be able to hold space but any battles would become an instance when they happen and be supported by a separate server with a hard limit of 200 in most places. ______It would be different from WOW in the fact that its in space and you can lose your ships. Oh wait... Thats why we all play eve isnt it? If SC2 ships out and will be close to EVE (gameplay), then EVE dies. Since blizzard knows how to do balance and not making ppl wait 6+ monthes to start playing. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA looks at back a day one in WoW... hello text support? sorry you arte 10,567th in line holy **... and then every month afyer that day NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF know how to balance my * ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:06:00 - [90] I think some of the posters here underestimate the fact that even pve'ers (carebears) appreciate the complexity and risk of eve, though they may whine and complain about getting blown up. Unless this Starcraft game offered a rich market and an open world with the interdependence we see in Eve, I really doubt many people would leave. I don't think this Starcraft game would be like that however because I don't think Blizzard would want to make a game so complex for fear of alienating casual players (as happens in Eve). He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.

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