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Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Edenn Originally by: largewhereitcounts ______You would have separate servers for space flight and surface playing, the surface would include all ground units and atmospheric flight but of course clouds would obscure high altitude flights from the ground units and vice versa unless a scan was used. With the blizzcon coming up I have to wonder. _____ It would suck in any mmorpg players souls that blizzard does not own yet because they might hate elves and orcs. You would have less gear options for your person than WOW, for example just a suit type a weapon type and ammo and a secondary one and a lifepack type. The ships would be where real customization would be. You would be able to hold space but any battles would become an instance when they happen and be supported by a separate server with a hard limit of 200 in most places. ______It would be different from WOW in the fact that its in space and you can lose your ships. Oh wait... Thats why we all play eve isnt it? If SC2 ships out and will be close to EVE (gameplay), then EVE dies. Since blizzard knows how to do balance and not making ppl wait 6+ monthes to start playing. I get so bored of seeing this carnard. You do not have to "wait 6+ monthes to start playing". A player with 1.5M SP and a good attitude is a very valuable asset to a 0.0 corp. I know, because my corp has some, and I'm extremely grateful that they fly with us. Sure, they aren't bringing dreads or command ships to the fray, but there's more to EvE than those. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:33:00 - [92] Originally by: Maxpie I think some of the posters here underestimate the fact that even pve'ers (carebears) appreciate the complexity and risk of eve, though they may whine and complain about getting blown up. Unless this Starcraft game offered a rich market and an open world with the interdependence we see in Eve, I really doubt many people would leave. I don't think this Starcraft game would be like that however because I don't think Blizzard would want to make a game so complex for fear of alienating casual players (as happens in Eve). Why would they make a clone of a game they already run?
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:45:00 - [93] Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Maxpie I think some of the posters here underestimate the fact that even pve'ers (carebears) appreciate the complexity and risk of eve, though they may whine and complain about getting blown up. Unless this Starcraft game offered a rich market and an open world with the interdependence we see in Eve, I really doubt many people would leave. I don't think this Starcraft game would be like that however because I don't think Blizzard would want to make a game so complex for fear of alienating casual players (as happens in Eve). Why would they make a clone of a game they already run? Why are most "new" films sequels or film-of-the-series? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
largewhereitcounts	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:50:00 - [94] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Maxpie I think some of the posters here underestimate the fact that even pve'ers (carebears) appreciate the complexity and risk of eve, though they may whine and complain about getting blown up. Unless this Starcraft game offered a rich market and an open world with the interdependence we see in Eve, I really doubt many people would leave. I don't think this Starcraft game would be like that however because I don't think Blizzard would want to make a game so complex for fear of alienating casual players (as happens in Eve). Why would they make a clone of a game they already run? Why are most "new" films sequels or film-of-the-series? That is not an answer because if starcraft is still alive with minimal patches that fix bugs for the last half decade then WOW can survive for many times longer. You can't play a movie indefinitely.
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.08.01 22:04:00 - [95] If blizzard did it right yes it would destroy eve... Have the combat more action, but still retain the tactical side. Do their blizzard voodoo where the game looks good but you don't have to sell your soul to buy a rig that can run the game. Make death mean something, atleast along the lines of the ability to lose your ship when in pvp. Make a market that is a lot more like this one, only a lil more convient like /gasp a mailing system (atleast a limited one) that would save on the boring going back and forth part of the game. Either make the whole game, or atleast a server that will allow actual hardcore play.. and lastly, though there could be a lot more is make the servers be able to hold a lot more people at one time than wow currently does. The whole idea of an MMO that would incorporate ground play that would be sci-fi based and fun, AND where you could go into space for a whole other landscape of play is what I have always been waiting on. And I think the cloud excuse is dumb but like there are high sec planets here. There should be planets that are immune to being effected by anything in space... and some less secure ones taht can be effected... maybe as part of an expansion. Also while on the subject there is a lot of stuff a company like blizzard could do with all their money the ccp could only dream of. Like bring the systems alive with a whole star in the middle, Planets revolve around that, and moons, and so on. EVEN have places where meteor strikes can occur and make it so if you are there when hit if you are in teh wrong place you die... or if in the right place are not effected.. and so one. I really like eve, but I look forward to technology to really make a sci-fi, space MMO that captures the imagination...
Tasuric Orka Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 23:17:00 - [96] Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 01/08/2007 23:18:03 Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: largewhereitcounts Originally by: Maxpie I think some of the posters here underestimate the fact that even pve'ers (carebears) appreciate the complexity and risk of eve, though they may whine and complain about getting blown up. Unless this Starcraft game offered a rich market and an open world with the interdependence we see in Eve, I really doubt many people would leave. I don't think this Starcraft game would be like that however because I don't think Blizzard would want to make a game so complex for fear of alienating casual players (as happens in Eve). Why would they make a clone of a game they already run? Why are most "new" films sequels or film-of-the-series? That is not an answer because if starcraft is still alive with minimal patches that fix bugs for the last half decade then WOW can survive for many times longer. You can't play a movie indefinitely. Hey man, donÆt stop putting underscores in front of every paragraph, these are vital to your arguments.
Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:11:00 - [97] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Now if you really want an "end of the worlds" scenario, just pray whatever deities you may prefer that they don't make... drumroll queu dramatic music Starcontrol Online!! I woudl buy that 100 times just to boost sales numbers. Best Game Ever. Also a pretty detailed space opra universe :) Would rock.
Kei Nagase Minmatar Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:47:00 - [98] Originally by: Jim McGregor I read somewhere that WoW now has 9 million subscribers. Thats... sick. There are about 1 billion children on earth. Why is WoW Doing so poorly? AxOatAo
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:16:00 - [99] Originally by: Kei Nagase Originally by: Jim McGregor I read somewhere that WoW now has 9 million subscribers. Thats... sick. There are about 1 billion children on earth. Why is WoW Doing so poorly? If more of the world had access to the internet the number would be even more staggering.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.02 07:47:00 - [100] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 02/08/2007 07:47:53 Originally by: Natalia Fachiri Originally by: Sheriff Jones Now if you really want an "end of the worlds" scenario, just pray whatever deities you may prefer that they don't make... drumroll queu dramatic music Starcontrol Online!! I woudl buy that 100 times just to boost sales numbers. Best Game Ever. Also a pretty detailed space opra universe :) Would rock. Exactly And if it was done properly, you could choose not only your side(Hierarchy or Alliance), but your race aswell. Shiptypes? We got 'em! Add different ships to each race, oh mama. Make the battles as short and fast and add all that made Starcontrol... Starcontrol and i bet a couple of even the hardcore EVE fanatics would peek at it and go..."Daaaamn, gotta subscribe!" Exploring, manufacturing, hellbore cannons, mineral collecting...drools Even if Starcontrol Online was from the same angle (top down sprites and all), it would still rock So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Salmash	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:02:00 - [101] Tbh i really dont think blizz would hurt eve with starcraft, blizz are NOT very good with mmorpgs. on warcraft the only levels ive enjoyed were, 40,10,20 level 40 i get to ride a wolf, level 10 i got a pet wolf and at 20 i got to leave barrens , all the rest of the levels are jst plain boring, the way it TRYS to make u feal happy is when u finish a quest they say, "oh ihatemyself i am so glad you could retreave my prize pumpkin from that greenhouse full of really scary flying fish" So i am guessing starcraft will follow the same pattern... however in EVE you feal happy when u kill sombody, defend your space, get your first bs, and evrey time u get 1 mill sp u got hyper!!!!!!!! and you DONT have to grind!!!! EVER!!!!!! Starcraft will crash and burn, then his ghost will go back into it so ile make him crash and burn again!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:05:00 - [102] Originally by: Salmash and you DONT have to grind!!!! EVER!!!!!! Weeeell.... So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:15:00 - [103] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 02/08/2007 08:15:03 Originally by: Salmash Tbh i really dont think blizz would hurt eve with starcraft, blizz are NOT very good with mmorpgs. on warcraft the only levels ive enjoyed were, 40,10,20 level 40 i get to ride a wolf, level 10 i got a pet wolf and at 20 i got to leave barrens , all the rest of the levels are jst plain boring, the way it TRYS to make u feal happy is when u finish a quest they say, "oh ihatemyself i am so glad you could retreave my prize pumpkin from that greenhouse full of really scary flying fish" So i am guessing starcraft will follow the same pattern... however in EVE you feal happy when u kill sombody, defend your space, get your first bs, and evrey time u get 1 mill sp u got hyper!!!!!!!! and you DONT have to grind!!!! EVER!!!!!! Starcraft will crash and burn, then his ghost will go back into it so ile make him crash and burn again! I want the same drug has has !!! Eve is a massive isk grind, mining for minerals or ice (pos fuel...) is grinding to its basic level... since missions are all the same, it's grinding too... -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
Glengrant Minmatar TOHA Heavy Industries OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:23:00 - [104] To the op: No I don't just play eve becauae it's scifi. It's a well designed rich game with history, attitude, great players and debs. Blizzard is a good company IMHO - but I don't see them designing anything that can rival what eve is for me. Originally by: Sheriff Jones WoW ain't bad, it has a lot of things done better then in EVE(yes i said it!) OK - just name 1 thing it does better. I'm not an expert on wow - I just looked a friend over the shoulder and read some articles about it. But all the time I though to myself - not bad - but eve does it better. Some things are just personal preferences. I hate the concepts of shards and no-pvp zones and other arbitrary limitations like that. So if you want absolute no-pvp zones/servers than I guess a game like wow-in-space that has that would be better for you. But that wouldn't make it better in an objective way - only better fitting for your preference.
Lastdon	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:27:00 - [105] Originally by: Vanlade Starcraft does not have Amarr. Enought saidÖ no they have Protos..LoL which are far cooler.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:30:00 - [106] everything is cooler than amarr, but Starcraft doesn't have minmatar! nothing can trump our badassery! Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:08:00 - [107] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 02/08/2007 09:10:02 Originally by: Glengrant OK - just name 1 thing it does better. Things like "sharded pvp" or "endgame" or "pvp preferences according to the national geographic" never appealed to me, but i'm talking about much simpler issues. Roleplay - (ofcourse ampulation might change this) but for now, roleplay is much easier and interesting in WoW. In EVE, it's now "communication" based. Missions/quests - BEtter stories, better variance, storyline, you name it. It's just done better. It's not just "go there get 10 vials of blood" like many want to say. It has a well thought out story that's consistent. Immersion is the key element really. And the missions in WoW drive the player towards the PVP endgame, not just a means for cash/exp. Customisation - Ok, so this kinda falls in the roleplay segment, but there's absolutely NO visual change in EVE. Ever. Only thing that changes is your stats. In WoW, you can actually plan a wardrobe, have your character represent your "role" and even make funny things, which boosts morale, which boosts the gaming experience. That's three, instead of the 1 you ask, i could think of more but i'm mid-mission atm So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Lastdon	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:42:00 - [108] Edited by: Lastdon on 02/08/2007 09:42:51 First off yes, CCP should be intimidated by just the insinuation of the Universe of starcraft. Why before WOW how many people actually paid to play an online subscription? Before WOW blizz only maid money of the sales of their video games Warcraft 1-3, starcraft, Diablo 1-2. For those of you who remember diablo 2, it did have a hardcore mode, so saying blizzard doesn't know anything about "hardcore" mode I believe they created the context of the term for gaming. Secondly to think that any game developer would jump into a particular type of game with out some research into previous games of the same type is obscure. Now my props for CCP there are great concepts that I believe were first show in EVE. Such as originally called reverse engineering, Industry, manufacturing and economics. Ya those and some other aspects all need work but I believe CCP can pull through if they put their priorities in order. Most people are oblivious to this but PC games have been put on the back burner for the next year and 1/2. Why, do to improvements in computer hardware. Such as multi core processioning. Which will lead to whats known as multi threading which will drastically improve gamings physics, AI , interaction. How To revolutionize MMORPG's
Torze The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.02 10:04:00 - [109] Well, personally, I don't think that it's an IF they make a StarCraft online. All the signs point to one coming. Looking back at WarCraft...Blizzard had announced a little game called WarCraft Adventures. They canceled it. Released WarCraft III then followed it with WoW. Now we get the announcement of StarCraft: Ghost, followed by it being canceled. Then an announcement of StarCraft 2. So, I's say that Ghost will probably end up being an online game. Eve though, has nothing to worry about at all. For one, the release of a StarCraft online game would canabalize the World of WarCraft market. Secondly because, while Blizzard has a huge fanbase (myself included) their games are not really indepth. Their best games are fun and very well polished but, for the most part fairly simple. They play more for the common demoninator among players. If you look at a game like Eve...well, the casual gamer just wouldn't get into all the politics and sheer ruthlessness of Eve-online. Really, I mean, take a look at WoW, it has alot of subscribers (I play occasionally when I'm burned out here) but, if you want a game that's in the fantasy genre that's actually PvP oriented..it wouldn't be WoW..but, DAOC.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:14:00 - [110] These days I find myself playing even Desktop TD when I'm bored of/with EVE (sitting in POS etc.). I'd say that many MMOs would be competitors if they provided more interesting/fun stuff to do per time than EVE does and had the same long-term appeal. It's the "starting at 0" that sucks in other games when you have 3-4 year old EVE chars, but I guess if I ever got banned for accidentally buying a ship from the ISK mafia or so, I'd go somewhere else immediately. :-/ this is a free post provided to you by a member of the EVE community.
Aleksandr Cirtus Caldari Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:16:00 - [111] Originally by: Dark Shikari Starcraft 2 is going to be nothing but Warcraft 3 in space... Subtle reference to poking Artanis? "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!" Aleksandr Cirtus Senior Knight and Ghost Fleet Pilot of Stronghold Curse Alliance
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:33:00 - [112] WOSC!!! i just LOLLED!!! so when ur ship blows up do u have to fly back to it's remains to continue? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Contralto Gallente THE KENSEI	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:35:00 - [113] Edited by: Contralto on 02/08/2007 11:39:50 I think that the numbers playing Eve are so insignificant if viewed globally that it will always retain its hardcore few and attract a few thousand 6 month and move on players. I say insignificant because 200 thousand subscribers worldwide is just that. I live in Thailand where youngsters play an online fantasy game called "Ragnarok" believe it or not but out of a population of 60 million, most of whom cant afford a Pc there are over 800 thousand subscribers. subscription is by scratch cards bought in paper shops and Internet cafe's, which are everywhere and cost 50 cents per hour to use a pc. There are many other Asian mmorpg's with large following as well. I have seen a similar situation in Malaysia and of course Korea is just insane. A Starcraft Mmorpg would pay for itself in a heartbeat in that one country. they have sold more than 2 million copies of Starcraft there and have several tv shows dedicated to it. And yes pink is annoying!! enough already Eve is like an exclusive members club with a stream (trickle) of new players who come and go. I don't think the game will suffer from any of the mass mmorgs unless CCP try to expand to compete with them. ---------- Gallente and Minmater Faction standings transfer service, fast and efficient service, Eve-mail for info, 3 ready made corps available now.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:36:00 - [114] Edited by: DarkMatter on 02/08/2007 11:36:51 Honestly, the best thing for EVE and even for an up comming game like Infinity would be for Blizzard to make a StarCraft MMO... Blizzard could bring millions of new players to the Sci-Fi MMO world. And that would only help EVE. As Blizzard MMO's have a faster burn out rate. And players looking for more Sci-Fi MMO action will naturally find EVE... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:39:00 - [115] Edited by: Shevar on 02/08/2007 11:40:31 If the MMORPG has mainly a player run economy, if you could loose all your assets and/or destroy someone elses assets, if you could fight with a group of people for space, if you could do proper PvP then yes it would be a real competitor of eve. But none of those things where strong points of WoW and quite non-mainstream which "world of starcraft" probably would be. Eve isn't a product aimed at the mainstream market, it's like saying Justin Timberlake's songs competes with for example Punk bands because Justin sells more... --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Lady Trade	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:41:00 - [116] Well EVE is the only space MMORPG atm. I think as soon as any other cool space MMORPGs are released, EVE is going to start loosing massive amounts of customers. Especially if the other space MMORPG has some of the more cool features of EVE without the horrendous client, horrific lag and if it stays playable with more then 15 people in the same region. That could really harm EVE if CCP doesn't react early by: a) fixing the client b) fixing the server (so fleet battles once again become viable) c) reduce subscription cost by a few $ d) start giving free days to all players every time the server is down for longer then a few hours (to show that they are trying - this is absolut standard for MMORPGs... even blizzard gives free game time when they f### up... but not CCP).
Contralto Gallente THE KENSEI	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:46:00 - [117] Originally by: DarkMatter off topic.. very nice looking hauler in your sig Darkmatter, Even if CCP didn't use it I bet "Infinity" would! ---------- Gallente and Minmater Faction standings transfer service, fast and efficient service, Eve-mail for info, 3 ready made corps available now.
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:46:00 - [118] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 02/08/2007 11:40:31 If the MMORPG has mainly a player run economy, if you could loose all your assets and/or destroy someone elses assets, if you could fight with a group of people for space, if you could do proper PvP then yes it would be a real competitor of eve. But none of those things where strong points of WoW and quite non-mainstream which "world of starcraft" probably would be. Eve isn't a product aimed at the mainstream market, it's like saying Justin Timberlake's songs competes with for example Punk bands because Justin sells more... Quite true, but how many play EVE who want nothing to do with all those things you said? At first there might be a lot of carebears leaving for it if there are true safe zones. But I think over time once they get burned out with Blizzards game, EVE would regain what it lost & more... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Lady Trade	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:55:00 - [119] Originally by: DarkMatter At first there might be a lot of carebears leaving for it if there are true safe zones. But I think over time once they get burned out with Blizzards game, EVE would regain what it lost & more... Well if all or most of the carebears would leave then EVE will be no fun... for all the carebear bashing here in the forums.. when you go buy a ship in jita then that ship was built by a carebear.. ever wonder what happens if there are only 5 carebears to build all ships for all the PvPers? You'll end up with a few rich carebears and even less PvP then EVE has because everyone will be to scared to fly their 500+mil BS.
Nikol Kidman Sadistic Influence	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:11:00 - [120] Edited by: Nikol Kidman on 02/08/2007 12:14:15 eve have from beggining to many issues which arent fixed, to many problems with servers, with startups, with terrible lags. When blizzard giving game... that game from start is more stable, more playable, more enjoyable, than any other competition have even after many fixes. Its simple - Blizzard have better staff (programers, graphics artists etc.) and im thinking that ccp know it, that Blizzard will take away many of eve players. People are bored eve, and tired eve problems...

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