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sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:12:00 - [1] I do realise speculation around the ore capitol ships is rife. http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7264/caporeshipuz3.jpg but that ship surely looks pretty sweet and for the mining fighters what can you say. http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3817/miningfighterge8.jpg anyway no doubt these will be its final stats but looks good so far Join The Fight With Promo Today
Phasics	Posted - 2007.08.02 02:00:00 - [2] Any combination of Fighter + Mining Drone = SHWEEEET
Mirirar Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.08.02 02:02:00 - [3] oh good... cloaking super caps that mine in 0.0. More risk-free isk for the carebears!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.08.02 02:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Mirirar oh good... cloaking super caps that mine in 0.0. More risk-free isk for the carebears! Aren't non-covert cloaks scannable now? Either way, that looks like a sweet mining ship. Looking for this? Click here!
William Hamilton Caldari THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.02 02:50:00 - [5] Edited by: William Hamilton on 02/08/2007 02:51:20 Epic, seems it pre-refines ore just like I speculated/suggested/guessed! EDIT: Can only oen industrial core be fitted?
Nagasarete Daphne	Posted - 2007.08.02 04:58:00 - [6] Originally by: William Hamilton Edited by: William Hamilton on 02/08/2007 02:51:20 Epic, seems it pre-refines ore just like I speculated/suggested/guessed! EDIT: Can only oen industrial core be fitted? From the look of the pictures it seems more likely he compresses minerals rather than process them. So you will still have to refine them in station refinery.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Nagasarete Daphne Originally by: William Hamilton Edited by: William Hamilton on 02/08/2007 02:51:20 Epic, seems it pre-refines ore just like I speculated/suggested/guessed! EDIT: Can only oen industrial core be fitted? From the look of the pictures it seems more likely he compresses minerals rather than process them. So you will still have to refine them in station refinery. Hence his use of pre-refine rather than refine. I wonder if it has the ability to fit strips and/or links, from the skill req's it looks like strips yes links no.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:27:00 - [8] im surpised tehy are making fighters for it... SWA PVP
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Tolomea I wonder if it has the ability to fit strips and/or links, from the skill req's it looks like strips yes links no. Which is kinda disappointing, if it can run a flight of those harvester drones and 8 strips then with the 10 minute anchor time for the siege mode it's easy to imagine it getting used as a super miner more often than as a compressor. Also a lot of the other particulars look like a MS rather than a carrier, so theres good odds on it being super expensive, so another toy for the 0.0 super alliances. On the upside the notion of compressing implies that we won't get reduced mineral yield so at least there won't be a repeat of the POS refinery mess. CCP has stated clearly on a few occasions that the cap ORE ship would not be a super ore sucker. That does not mean it cannot mine but I took it to mean a Hulk at least would still do better. Have to admit I like the ore compression thingy. Never occured to me. Kudos to CCP for cleverness. Not sure how well it will work in practice but sounds like a good "fudge" if you will. I like the concept. If the thing can fit links might be a useful ship worth buying. I'd like it if the OP could link a pic of the fitting screen for that ship.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:30:00 - [10] cool. now just make it 0.0 only, and yes non covert ops cloaks were nerfed in rev 2 patch notes. ships that can fit covert ops cloaks are safe. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:41:00 - [11] Edited by: Tolomea on 02/08/2007 05:42:28 Originally by: MotherMoon cool. now just make it 0.0 only, and yes non covert ops cloaks were nerfed in rev 2 patch notes. ships that can fit covert ops cloaks are safe. Surely the few and the brave who live in lowsec deserve a new toy more than the 0.0 crowd, esp since they just got all that sovereignty stuff with the associated POS and outpost toys. And on a totally unrelated note, can you cloak something that's in siege mode?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Tolomea Edited by: Tolomea on 02/08/2007 05:42:28 Originally by: MotherMoon cool. now just make it 0.0 only, and yes non covert ops cloaks were nerfed in rev 2 patch notes. ships that can fit covert ops cloaks are safe. Surely the few and the brave who live in lowsec deserve a new toy more than the 0.0 crowd, esp since they just got all that sovereignty stuff with the associated POS and outpost toys. And on a totally unrelated note, can you cloak something that's in siege mode? good point.. ok then just make it warp scarmable. I'm just worried that they would have the surviabiltiy of a carrier in low sec... but hell if that;s how it goes that's how it goes. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:52:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tolomea Edited by: Tolomea on 02/08/2007 05:42:28 Originally by: MotherMoon cool. now just make it 0.0 only, and yes non covert ops cloaks were nerfed in rev 2 patch notes. ships that can fit covert ops cloaks are safe. Surely the few and the brave who live in lowsec deserve a new toy more than the 0.0 crowd, esp since they just got all that sovereignty stuff with the associated POS and outpost toys. And on a totally unrelated note, can you cloak something that's in siege mode? good point.. ok then just make it warp scarmable. I'm just worried that they would have the surviabiltiy of a carrier in low sec... but hell if that;s how it goes that's how it goes. I take it that's a no to the cloaking while in siege mode. Personally having been on the receiving end of lowsec MS piracy I am a big supporter of limiting super caps to 0.0, that said I'd also rather see this be a regular sized and priced cap ship, not a super cap.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.08.02 05:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Tolomea Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tolomea Edited by: Tolomea on 02/08/2007 05:42:28 Originally by: MotherMoon cool. now just make it 0.0 only, and yes non covert ops cloaks were nerfed in rev 2 patch notes. ships that can fit covert ops cloaks are safe. Surely the few and the brave who live in lowsec deserve a new toy more than the 0.0 crowd, esp since they just got all that sovereignty stuff with the associated POS and outpost toys. And on a totally unrelated note, can you cloak something that's in siege mode? good point.. ok then just make it warp scarmable. I'm just worried that they would have the surviabiltiy of a carrier in low sec... but hell if that;s how it goes that's how it goes. I take it that's a no to the cloaking while in siege mode. Personally having been on the receiving end of lowsec MS piracy I am a big supporter of limiting super caps to 0.0, that said I'd also rather see this be a regular sized and priced cap ship, not a super cap. yes it was a no to cloaking siege mode. good idea just making a normal cap ship. even just letting cariers but not motherhips into low sec would be ok. but keep motherships and titans uot. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:03:00 - [15] Originally by: MotherMoon good idea just making a normal cap ship. even just letting cariers but not motherhips into low sec would be ok. but keep motherships and titans uot. Amen sister
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:04:00 - [16] A Hulk would be a better miner unless this one has a CPU reduction for strip miners and a bonus to mining rate. Without the CPU reduction it couldn't mount strip miners. Without a mining bonus then the covetor and hulk would be better miners still if it had the CPU reduction. Still good to see something on it :). He didn't let us see the description :(. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.02 06:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Tolomea on 02/08/2007 06:13:27 Originally by: Mecinia Lua A Hulk would be a better miner unless this one has a CPU reduction for strip miners and a bonus to mining rate. Without the CPU reduction it couldn't mount strip miners. Without a mining bonus then the covetor and hulk would be better miners still if it had the CPU reduction. Still good to see something on it :). He didn't let us see the description :(. I'd be kinda surprised to see a ship with barge 5 as a prereq that doesn't have the strip CPU reduction. Likewise I'd expect to see a leadership req on anything bigger than a BC that has the link CPU reduction, hence my comments above about it looking like it will fit strips but not links. My preference would be for it not to have the strip CPU reduction or the barge 5 prereq, it's an industrial ship so give it some heavier refining prereqs, I don't do industry at all so I don't know what is appropriate but there must be something. As for the link I don't much care either way, BC's do a fine job as is, that said if it's going to get the bonus then it should probably have at least a token skill req. And it probably doesn't have a description, those are hand generated. It's a shame that the attributes page doesn't show ALL the attributes.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:43:00 - [18] I never took the pictures but someone showed me them in corp chat I doubt they took them either but I asked about description and was told it did'nt have anything major just something like ore test ship or some useless thing like that Join The Fight With Promo Today
Kuritorisu Caldari Black Lance	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:16:00 - [19] Interesting idea, but why photoshop a Nyx?
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Kuritorisu Interesting idea, but why photoshop a Nyx? They're from a test server, not photoshops. Why have your modeling department build the model of the ship before you begin testing it? Just use an existing ship model of about the same size until the final model is ready.

ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Kuritorisu Interesting idea, but why photoshop a Nyx? Isn't photo shopped, the used a nyx as a clone base for it cus theres no model yet and someone in the team selected a random capship to modify to a test capital industrial, there is a dev blog coming on it soon apparently. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
tikinish	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:25:00 - [22] only me that thinks making the industrial cap shouldn't just be the carrier using mining fighters O.o would seem kind of stupid that the carriers are beeing made to multiply function cap ships... like they arn't used enough... hmm it should be a new cap type instead with mining fighters, ton of mining lasers and an very effective long range mining. and a gigantic cargo only usesable for mined minerals
Jay Two	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Jay Two on 02/08/2007 16:22:01 a) It'll never fit strip miners, being able to use fighter class mining drones would be about the best we could hope for b) It'll have another model done, but probably well after exactly what its specs are / role is nutted down in stone. c) Those skills are probably close enough to what it will end up being (Exhumers being a T2 skill and this being a T1 ship mean that it wouldn't 'fit' since no other T1 ship requires a T2 skill) d) 'looks like' it can target jet cans, scan inside them, and compress the ore inside. So you're looking at doing a large mining op say into 1 can instead of 20 and just hauling it all at the end in one scoop. ;) e) if they keep the -100% velocity bonus (stats like a dread) and the 10min activation time... it may not be so popular. But since these have come from existing mods, they may change. You can expect probably every attribute of the 'hull' to change as well (since it looks like there have been 0 changes to it so far, they're just testing skill reqs / the module / 'xl mining drones') f) you can be SURE this thing won't use fighters and pretty damn sure it won't have triage mode either.
Ikkajo Minmatar Illudium Space Products	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:02:00 - [24] Tanis has posted a basic intro over in the game dev forum in the thread on Rev 2.2 changes. It is basically a carrier for carebears (like me :) ). * Assembly Line * Clone bay * Corp hanger and ship maintenance hanger * Ability to fit capital tractor beam * Bonus to mining foreman links * Drone bay (for regular drones) * Ability to fit its own 'siege module' (for the assembly line) -- Industrialist Carebear, CEO Illudium Space Products: Where's the KABOOM!? LP offers by corp at the LP Store DB
WGAnubis Marrith Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:40:00 - [25] I'm interested in seeing how having a ship like this will affect the economic situation. If its only for low sec/0.0 that may cause a problem for empire sec ecnomic's by flooding the empires with super cheap minerals. Has anyone seen this on the test server yet? Can anyone comment on how the ecomomics are being affected in all sec's of new eden because of the ships presence?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.02 18:06:00 - [26] Originally by: WGAnubis Marrith I'm interested in seeing how having a ship like this will affect the economic situation. If its only for low sec/0.0 that may cause a problem for empire sec ecnomic's by flooding the empires with super cheap minerals. Has anyone seen this on the test server yet? Can anyone comment on how the ecomomics are being affected in all sec's of new eden because of the ships presence? It likely is for low/no sec only since it uses jump drives to get around and you cannot use those in hi sec. As for the economics not sue how you see this really messing it up. It will not mine better than a Hulk as is. For low sec I'd say forget about it since it will likely be a very expensive target waiting for a gank. In 0.0 it'll just streamline mining some and increase the output some. If anything it may cause high end mineral prices to drop a bit as more make it to market but not a whole lot I expect.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.02 18:24:00 - [27] Well, industrial large POSes just got useless. You can now do everything an indy POS can, with a single capital alt and a small POS. Alttastic.
Maulrex X	Posted - 2007.08.02 20:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Elmicker Well, industrial large POSes just got useless. You can now do everything an indy POS can, with a single capital alt and a small POS. Alttastic. It didn't get useless, you just have an option to the large pos now.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.02 20:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Elmicker Well, industrial large POSes just got useless. You can now do everything an indy POS can, with a single capital alt and a small POS. Alttastic. A POS is likely cheaper and a lot more resilient against an attack.
Theo Samaritan Gallente UNSC Manufactoring Corp	Posted - 2007.08.02 20:35:00 - [30] I laugh at how just because they use a Nyx image, alot of people think its gonna be a super-cap. OK so most of what is said here is conclusional, but isnt that just one conclusion too far? ______________________________ "To fight a war on the table, you must be able to fight a war on the front."

sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 05:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Theo Samaritan I laugh at how just because they use a Nyx image, alot of people think its gonna be a super-cap. OK so most of what is said here is conclusional, but isnt that just one conclusion too far? well from latest stats of sisi it certainly look like its gonna be, I think it will be somewhere in between price wise (i hope anyway) Join The Fight With Promo Today
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.03 06:52:00 - [32] A few observations: The clone bay facility means that this thing is going to be a supercap, hence won't be able to dock. How much will the compression BPs cost, and will they need research? If they are seriously expensive then that will limit this thing's usefulness - nobody is going to want to risk expensive (in terms of money and research time) BPs on a ship that is going to be a gank-magnet. My prediction is that this ship will be so silly expensive and difficult to use that almost none will in fact get used - which would be entirely in line with CCP's obsession with piracy, griefing and PvP combat. Those of us who want to build rather than destroy are going to get the shaft - again. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Freejax Caldari Blue Zenith Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:05:00 - [33] [Copied from the newest Devblog] ORE Capital Ship Outer Ring Excavations has been hard at work over the last year to answer the rising need for a logistical mining support platform capable of surviving the rigors of the frontier whilst serving as a central command platform for mining operations. The ship fills this role by having the unique ability to compress ore and ice to a fraction of its original volume for transport and storage using the latest in advanced techniques. Additional abilities include: Fitting capital tractor beam modules which can pull cargo containers from two hundred kilometres at a much faster velocity than normal tractors beams can, Inherent bonuses to the range of survey and cargo scanners allowing it to survey asteroid belts at a glance from its position and the status of cargo cans for its mining gang and, It can equip multiple gang links and provide significant bonuses to the mining foreman gang links. Like other ships in its class, the ORE Capital Ship will also: Include a ship maintenance bay, corp hanger, a generous drone bay and cargohold, Have the ability to fit a clone vat bay, and Be propelled by its own jump drive to move between systems. How does the ship operate? The ship requires an Industrial Core module to function. Module activation facilitates the operation of the ship into its deployed mode. When in deployed mode, the ship's assembly lines and special bonuses are active and it can provide remote assistance, but it cannot move, warp or jump. The Industrial Core requires a skill to operate which reduces the fuel use of the module. How does it compress ore/ice? The ship has assembly lines which the capsuleer can activate for compression of ore and ice. Blueprints are needed to facilitate the compression process, thus turning normal ore into compressed ore in the same way manufacturing operates. What will it cost? The initial investment will be similar to that of a carrier to build, at least three new skills will be required (one for the ship, the deployment module and ore compression), plus the cost of the deployment module. Mining Foreman Links Revamp A number of the Mining Foreman links are being revised, the revisions and reasons are: Drone Coordination has been broken since inception due to the nature of the gang bonus system. This module has been changed to provide a bonus to mining laser, ice harvester and gas harvester range. The Laser Optimization link will have the ice harvesting and gas cloud harvesting duration bonus added. The Ice Harvesting link will be changed to provide a bonus to the capacitor need of mining lasers, ice harvesters and gas cloud harvesters. Enjoying space
Borgholio Minmatar Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 08:26:00 - [34] Now we just need to find out if this puppy can dock. ----------------------------------- You will be assimilated...bunghole!
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 09:03:00 - [35] Capitol industrial ship you say? -----
Tong Xiaopeng	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Chronus26 Capitol industrial ship you say? You know, I've always been hoping that this ship looks less like a ship and more like a building/station with engines welded to it. It would fit the role well and lend a sense of 'massive' to it if it's not a streamlined spaceship, but more like a tiny station of Caldari-esque architecture with engines. :P
MrDetermination Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Chronus26 Capitol industrial ship you say? That is the funniest thing I've seen in a few days.
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Borgholio Now we just need to find out if this puppy can dock. Yes it can. Quote: No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse
Theo Samaritan Gallente UNSC Manufactoring Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:38:00 - [39] Quote: can this ship use normal stargates or is it limited to low sec? It is a capital ship so is limited to low sec (0.0 - 0.4) and has to use a jump drive and a gang mate with a cynosural field to move between systems. SCORE! ______________________________ "To fight a war on the table, you must be able to fight a war on the front."
Some Caldari Caldari Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:47:00 - [40] Hands up who is going to name this thing "Red Dwarf"? ------------ I'm a guy with a female character get over it, and for god's sake stop jerking off. It's creepy.

Theo Samaritan Gallente UNSC Manufactoring Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 18:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Some Caldari Hands up who is going to name this thing "Red Dwarf"? o/ ______________________________ "To fight a war on the table, you must be able to fight a war on the front."
Bruce Rossignol Mother Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 20:06:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Chronotis Some quick answers, Will there be mining fighters? No, but not ruling out their introduction in a future patch. can this ship use normal stargates or is it limited to low sec? It is a capital ship so is limited to low sec (0.0 - 0.4) and has to use a jump drive and a gang mate with a cynosural field to move between systems. Capital tractors? Does that mean we get med and large ones too? And will other caps be able to fit capital tractors? Not in this patch, and only the ORE capital ship can fit the capital tractor beam. Can it fit mining lasers ? Does it get the bonus to number of drones, when combined with a very small drone bay would preclude use of fighters. It cannot fit mining lasers, It will have a drone bay with the intention of being able to store and use some heavy drones for eg for some defence but will definitely not use fighters. I suggest you change the name of the "Ice Harvesting" link, because it will now effect all mining, not just ice harvesting, and there is a large potential for misunderstandings. The names are being changed of course. Could we get the stats before it is released on TQ When we arrive at the release candidate after final balancing is completed following feedback here. The ship will be added to the market so you will be able to view its stats fully then on sisi. will the ship maint array be able to fit more than only 2 hulks? 4 would be nice for a good mining op! The volumes of the mining barges and exhumers have been reduced by 50,000m3 and provisionally we are looking at 3-4 hulks worth of ship maintenance bay. I have a concern over the fact it will cost as much as a Carrier yet have a Clone Bay In all honesty, we have not seen much use (if any) of this function on moms and titans, as its application is fairly limited (perhaps a good reason to look at it again in the future and give it a two way functionality). In terms of the goal of this ship, which is nomad mining operations and logistical support. It suits that role perfectly allowing someone to scout out a nice quiet system, pop a cyno, jump the ORE cap ship in, rest of the gang jump clone in and board the hulks and start mining whilst the ORE cap most likely sets up a small starbase. The goal is very much to empower small gangs to operate in unsafe areas of space where getting down into that space is dangerous for smaller gangs. The maximum number of jump clones allowed on the ship is limited to 5 currently. The cost is still subject to balancing alongside the other stats following feedback here. will the mining capital ship have a bonus to mining ganglinks, like the command ships do? ie. 3% increase in effectiveness of all mining ganglinks? currently 5% per ship skill level with additional bonus when the industrial core is active. Will the ship be able to dock? yes. Disteeler > our battleships can't repel lag of that magnitude, it's a trap!!!11!!!
Wrathamon Starfury	Posted - 2007.08.10 14:33:00 - [43] Edited by: Wrathamon Starfury on 10/08/2007 14:34:08 I thought this ship had a cargo bay that only held ORE? Tell me they are not making you dump the compressed ore into your cargo bay.
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.10 15:45:00 - [44] One of my questions is about it being a "roving starbase". I am wondering if it can be anchored at a moon or planet. Of course with the tractor beam bonus I am assuming it's going to be belt only. Which is ok. But this is going to be a big gank target. Now, if they take away the static belts and the only way to find the belts is through scan probing, then the ore ship will have time (slightly that is) to un-anchor and warp off to safespot of POS. But if this ship is introduced before the static belts are gone...this is going to be a monumental failure. Atleast with hulks you have time to align and warp to station/pos/ss. But with this ship, you are risking a huge amount of isk for something that a badger loaded with a large tower and refining array can do without much risk. For stealth mining it's not really going to work. All one will have to do if you are FC of a small gang you are just going to open up the map and check for out of the way systems that have a slight blob and have high end ore in them and go straight for that system. Meanwhile the ore ship is in siege mode (or whatever) and once the gank squad scout enters system, hes going to scan you down without probes within probably 1 minute and land right on top of you and in comes the whole gank squad and here you are sitting in your 1 billion+ isk ship not able to really do anything tbh. And sense the ore ship can't use fighters, and probably most of his gang are going to be in hulks or what have you, you aren't really going to have much of a defense if friends are more than 10 jumps away. Just my 2 cents (from a roaming gank squad AND mining point of view) "No matter where you go, there you are" - B
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 16:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Buxaroo One of my questions is about it being a "roving starbase". I am wondering if it can be anchored at a moon or planet. Of course with the tractor beam bonus I am assuming it's going to be belt only. Which is ok. But this is going to be a big gank target. Now, if they take away the static belts and the only way to find the belts is through scan probing, then the ore ship will have time (slightly that is) to un-anchor and warp off to safespot of POS. But if this ship is introduced before the static belts are gone...this is going to be a monumental failure. Atleast with hulks you have time to align and warp to station/pos/ss. But with this ship, you are risking a huge amount of isk for something that a badger loaded with a large tower and refining array can do without much risk. For stealth mining it's not really going to work. All one will have to do if you are FC of a small gang you are just going to open up the map and check for out of the way systems that have a slight blob and have high end ore in them and go straight for that system. Meanwhile the ore ship is in siege mode (or whatever) and once the gank squad scout enters system, hes going to scan you down without probes within probably 1 minute and land right on top of you and in comes the whole gank squad and here you are sitting in your 1 billion+ isk ship not able to really do anything tbh. And sense the ore ship can't use fighters, and probably most of his gang are going to be in hulks or what have you, you aren't really going to have much of a defense if friends are more than 10 jumps away. Just my 2 cents (from a roaming gank squad AND mining point of view) I feel you're not thinking of the demographics who are really going to be drooling over this. People (like our own alliance) inhabit space with relatively few and far between stations. Mining in these areas are a pain, because you've got to either ship the unprocessed ore some distance to a station, or use a criminally inefficient POS refinery (and then use conventional carriers to ship the finished products to a station). This ship will allow mobile ore compression for travelling mining ops, cutting out a good couple of tedious steps. Security wouldn't be a problem, since it's still in friendly (thus protected as much as any 0.0 can be) space. Ninja miners can still enjoy it for a bit of nomadic mining fun, but they'll just need to bring appropriate combat support too. You'd have to be daft to take a non-combat capital anywhere with nothing but hulks for protection. In other words, I think our corp are going to want one I'm glad they did it the way they did. I was worried that any ORE capital was going to be too damned good. This way (with it's Siege mode or whatever it's called) using it is to risk it, just like a PvP ship. And just like any Capital, it's going to need team work and coordination to use right- not just a solo(roid)pwn mobile. --------
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.10 16:14:00 - [46] Oh I understand who would want this etc. TBH, I will be buying one myself sense my carrier alt can fly it straight out of the box (not to mention Exhumers 5 ) and the ore compression is really nice. But I am just trying to look at it from the miners and gank squad perspective and the cost benefit if you happened to loose one of these suckers to a roaming gang. And if it's going to be priced like a super cap....I seriously doubt you will see these being deployed much. "No matter where you go, there you are" - B
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 17:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Buxaroo Oh I understand who would want this etc. TBH, I will be buying one myself sense my carrier alt can fly it straight out of the box (not to mention Exhumers 5 ) and the ore compression is really nice. But I am just trying to look at it from the miners and gank squad perspective and the cost benefit if you happened to loose one of these suckers to a roaming gang. And if it's going to be priced like a super cap....I seriously doubt you will see these being deployed much. CCP Chronotis says that it'll cost similarly to Carriers, so only 1.something billion. There will also be three new skills, so it won't be right out of the box --------


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