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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 02/08/2007 21:01:15
I know your not the one in charge of changing ships on sisi, but seeing as it only took a few days from you were made aware of the problems with the deimos to the ship were changed i would have to say you are the one to thank.
Keep up the good job 
Base speed 205 m/s
Mass 11m kg.
Also, pg bumped up from 950 to 990.
speed on the deimos with a t2 mwd is now close to 2k
also enough grid to fit a ion setup with a medium nos if you have awu 5
also guess we have tux to thank for these awsome changes, so a big thank you tux
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:57:00 -
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DETAILS! NOW!!!
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Sidephex
Illicit Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:57:00 -
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details ?
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:59:00 -
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It's had a turret removed, to bring it into line with the Eagle.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Gypsio III
It's had a turret removed, to bring it into line with the Eagle.
u almost made me cry
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sidephex
details ?
Gallente FotM extended to HACs, news at 7
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 02/08/2007 21:23:15
Originally by: Gypsio III
It's had a turret removed, to bring it into line with the Eagle.
I was about to go berserk on a big rant :)
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:24:00 -
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Nice, that ship could certainly use a speed increase. And my alt is 2 days from flying it.
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Ruiryu
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:30:00 -
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WTF! Give my eagle some damn lovin. This thing hits like a wet noodle
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:31:00 -
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good that the Gallente being the most unpopular and worst overall race finally got a slight boost...oh wait
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ruiryu
WTF! Give my eagle some damn lovin. This thing hits like a wet noodle
eagles fine
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:38:00 -
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If by "fine" you mean "better than the Ferox and Moa", then, yeah, I agree.
But the Ferox and Moa are probably the two worst ships in the game - heavy, slow and with laughable DPS... 
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Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:39:00 -
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Deimos definately needed a little bit of a speed/agility-boost to fulfill it's role as a Close-Combat-Ship.
The additional powergrid is not really needed for my setups, but I'll take it 
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
If by "fine" you mean "better than the Ferox and Moa", then, yeah, I agree.
But the Ferox and Moa are probably the two worst ships in the game - heavy, slow and with laughable DPS...
its not supposed to have great dps its supposed to snipe, most don;nt like this role but it fills its role perfectly.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 02/08/2007 21:40:39
Originally by: Gypsio III
If by "fine" you mean "better than the Ferox and Moa", then, yeah, I agree.
But the Ferox and Moa are probably the two worst ships in the game - heavy, slow and with laughable DPS...
i fly the eagle myself, i think its fine. i just dont fly it a lot as it fills 2 niche roles.
deimos has always been useless from inception, so frankly, its about time its fixed.
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Hailstorm
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:55:00 -
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I like the changes, so I wont be greedy and ask for the hi-slot to be turned into a med-slot. :P
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hailstorm
I like the changes, so I wont be greedy and ask for the hi-slot to be turned into a med-slot. :P
im not sure thats needed either, now that the nos nerf is coming the deimos wont be so easy to kill anymore.
And with 2 cap rigs its even possible to somewhat run the armor rep while shooting
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:07:00 -
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/me buys one before price gouging D:
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
good that the Gallente being the most unpopular and worst overall race finally got a slight boost...oh wait
I actually wonder why it doesn't get another slot or two, it's that underwhelming
and lol @ "Eagle is fine"
I guess the Muninn is fine too?
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:20:00 -
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Now just move the 6th high slot to a mid slot, and we'll be done here folks.
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Sir Dancealot
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Dancealot on 02/08/2007 22:24:13
waht? Not enough PG for full setup + neutrons? you must be ******* kidding me
EDIT: Nizzle dizzle change!
Originally by: Incantare
Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Loom
Originally by: Amy Wang
good that the Gallente being the most unpopular and worst overall race finally got a slight boost...oh wait
I actually wonder why it doesn't get another slot or two, it's that underwhelming
and lol @ "Eagle is fine"
I guess the Muninn is fine too?
yes, they are fine. they do what they are supposed to. demios doesn't do anything.
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Monique Balthur
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:30:00 -
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today my nanocurse doing 3.7km/s was taken down by a nanodeimos doing over 4km,
CCP you really make baby Jesus cry...
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Kulmid
New Justice
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:38:00 -
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I'm on Sisi messing with a Deimos and it feels so muhc better to fly, it handles accelerates and decelerates like a dream, and still does tons of DPS
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:48:00 -
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6/5/4 slot setup on muninn please thanks
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Atreides Horza
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Monique Balthur
today my nanocurse doing 3.7km/s was taken down by a nanodeimos doing over 4km,
CCP you really make baby Jesus cry...
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Monique Balthur
today my nanocurse doing 3.7km/s was taken down by a nanodeimos doing over 4km,
CCP you really make baby Jesus cry...
cool.
we have a winner then
guess my phalic deimocide won't be the laughing stock of the gang now, will be? :
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Sedai Hara
Caldari
The Forsakened Companions
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Monique Balthur
today my nanocurse doing 3.7km/s was taken down by a nanodeimos doing over 4km,
CCP you really make baby Jesus cry...
Sedai hara cries of happines
finaly my demios isnt outrun by a hauler \o/
and that PG boost is just a few years late, but what teh h3ll!!! its fixed now, and couldnt be made better!!! :D
Thnx CCP and devs/gms, you did something right d(^.^)b
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A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate. 
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Azuse
The Brotherhood Of The Blade
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:44:00 -
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/me dances
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 02/08/2007 23:46:32
Wait, so, we have a years-old, tens of pages long thread directed personally to Tuxford results in nowhere near enough changes. This time, someone tells a dev and it gets fixed in a matter of mere days? Clone that dev!!
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Durethia
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:56:00 -
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*CLAPS* *dances* screams and shouts....
the pew pew shall commence!
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:09:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 02/08/2007 23:46:32
Wait, so, we have a years-old, tens of pages long thread directed personally to Tuxford results in nowhere near enough changes. This time, someone tells a dev and it gets fixed in a matter of mere days? Clone that dev!!
yup, dont thank me all at once for letting that dev know tho
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Blood Cultist
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:16:00 -
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WHERE ARE THE EXTRA TURRETS ON THE FEROX AND MOA.
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Idara
Caldari
Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:17:00 -
[34]
Good start.
Now do a fatality and make it 5/4/6 please.
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Fenderson
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:17:00 -
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oh my god i might actually fly a deimos again
/creams pants
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:30:00 -
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wow, can't believe they are boosting the deimos, quiete ridiculus tbh.
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 03/08/2007 00:33:37
Finally, after my rather ridiculous 48 page thread all it took was bugging a CCP dev on Sisi! Seriously though, thank you. It's been a very long time coming and I can't wait to take the mean, green orange-rocketed machine out for a spin.
EDIT: My spelling is terrible today
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Teeth
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:44:00 -
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I thought this was a joke! BUT OMG there really is a God! Glad to see something was done!
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:10:00 -
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w00t, I'm gonna gank me some noobs...
Hush you Caldari whiners, out of the Gallente Glory thread. 
Liang
Originally by: "QproQ"
When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:47:00 -
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Guess we will see the new solopwnmobil soon again, the Deimos was extreme high damage/low tank, now we will see fast tanked damage dealer.
Well i would really like to know which BPOs BoB has... just curious.
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Robstr
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:03:00 -
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I have been waiting and waiting for this.
I'm so excited to get flying mine!
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IMinYOURforums
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:35:00 -
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Good think Deimos got a boost, eh? Gallente really needed it, every single one of their ships suck. Its not like the have the best Battlecruisers, or Battleships, or Commandships, or one of the best HACs, or even the best cruisers. 
Now what, I already saw both an Ares and an Eris whine thread, so assuming they boost those too, Gallente will have all of the best ships in the game, or am I missing one? 
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: IMinYOURforums
Good think Deimos got a boost, eh? Gallente really needed it, every single one of their ships suck. Its not like the have the best Battlecruisers, or Battleships, or Commandships, or one of the best HACs, or even the best cruisers.
Exactly what I am thinking. This is complete crap, CCP.
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Blood Cultist
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: IMinYOURforums
Good think Deimos got a boost, eh? Gallente really needed it, every single one of their ships suck. Its not like the have the best Battlecruisers, or Battleships, or Commandships, or one of the best HACs, or even the best cruisers.
Now what, I already saw both an Ares and an Eris whine thread, so assuming they boost those too, Gallente will have all of the best ships in the game, or am I missing one?
Gallente have the most vocal whiners.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.03 06:32:00 -
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The Deimos is still terrible because it has to get into web range to do any damage and it cannot fit a web itself. A bit of extra PG and speed will not change this fundamental problem. Just web it and move away.
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Darwinia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.03 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
The Deimos is still terrible because it has to get into web range to do any damage and it cannot fit a web itself. A bit of extra PG and speed will not change this fundamental problem. Just web it and move away.
Use 2 sw-900?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 08:20:52
Its actually quite amusing to see how the devs keep boosting the most overpowered race in the game. If they ain't winning, it ain't balanced.
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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.03 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kerdrak on 03/08/2007 08:42:07
Zealot buffed too, this is a pg love for all
A shame that Zealot don't need pg but cpu
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Augeas
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:19:00 -
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So it seems Gallenteasymode wasn't quite easy enough? 
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rooker on 03/08/2007 09:36:03
WOOOOOOO
<3 Keridwen
Just stuck Deimos on the skill plan too, because of the coming nos changes.
/edit: <3 ArmyOfMe too. I'm contracting you a harem of exotic dancers in Jita
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Proper Charlie
Gallente
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
wow, can't believe they are boosting the deimos, quiete ridiculus tbh.
Don't be hatin on the Deimos
/me goes off to figure out where he left his deimos
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.08.03 09:59:00 -
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Perhaps the Deimos needed a little love, but my m8 has a sick deimos with average skills so dont tell me it's useless... 40pg + skills seems unneeded, but I guess people are loving the speed/agility. Is it flying better than Thorax finally? a lot?
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Corphus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:02:00 -
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omg deimos is finally worth its 100 mil =D
CCP Dudes please let this hit TQ !!!
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:07:00 -
[54]
Got speed?
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Plave Okice
Got speed?
I'd hate to see it become yet another nanoship, but I'd love to see the expression on the face of the first Vaga pilot to see this who didn't read patch notes LOL
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Plave Okice on 03/08/2007 10:28:34
I fitted that out for a laugh, I don't intend using as a nano ship, although it clearly will be possible.
And not just Vaga's many nano ships including sabres and inties would get a bit of a heart attack seeing a Deimos coming at them at 5500 m/s
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:46:00 -
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The grid changes are needed, and a speed boost was too... but 220m/s base? With all those lowslots, you know they'll all be nanofitted.
That said, better nanoships than sitting with dustcovers on.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:48:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Cedric Diggory
The grid changes are needed, and a speed boost was too... but 220m/s base? With all those lowslots, you know they'll all be nanofitted.
That said, better nanoships than sitting with dustcovers on.
i would say the deimos is a ****ty nano ship with the range of blasters
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:52:00 -
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I think I see the plan now. Nerf all the speedy minmatar ships, but boost some of the gallente ones so they become speedy, and with twice the dps.
I figured the tradeoff for having strong dps was being slow, but seems that no longer should apply. Changes like these makes me wonder if the balancing devs fly anything but gallente.
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breadcat
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:55:00 -
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Nice, finally worth flying it instead of a thorax.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 10:58:00 -
[61]
Man CCP is really working now. They jsut need now to correct the Apoc (give it a role, give a damage bonus or give enough PG to fit tachyons easily). And make the bellicose be soemthign worth flying.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:03:00 -
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Crappy changes, you could already have more than enough PG on the Deimos with Rigs (what are they for otherwise?). Why don't they give it a 125m¦ Drone bay and reduce its mass to that of a Vagabond as well ...
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Plave Okice
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Crappy changes, you could already have more than enough PG on the Deimos with Rigs (what are they for otherwise?). Why don't they give it a 125m¦ Drone bay and reduce its mass to that of a Vagabond as well ...
Even as a maxed skilled Deimos pilot I'd say no to that 
I hope you're joking
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:06:00 -
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That ship already exists anyway, its called ishtar
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Khorian
Gallente
Excidium.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:06:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Crappy changes, you could already have more than enough PG on the Deimos with Rigs (what are they for otherwise?). Why don't they give it a 125m¦ Drone bay and reduce its mass to that of a Vagabond as well ...
Drones are for Ishtar.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:07:00 -
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Quote:
It's 205 base, or was last night on SiSi.
Whoops! reading comprehension for the win... 
If that's the case, I fully endorse this change. Now give the Eagle an extra turret slot, and we're cooking with charcoal!
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Plave Okice
I hope you're joking
Obviously... As a Minmatar HAC pilot I can't even fit a tank or MWD together with the Muninn's intended Weaponry (PG issues) but if it was a Gallente ship, the crybabies would have got CCP to give it PG to fit MWD, dual medium reppers and 2 HML ...
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I think I see the plan now. Nerf all the speedy minmatar ships, but boost some of the gallente ones so they become speedy, and with twice the dps.
I figured the tradeoff for having strong dps was being slow, but seems that no longer should apply. Changes like these makes me wonder if the balancing devs fly anything but gallente.
dont worry jim, in a week ill be done with minni cruiser 5 so i can start to whine about minni ships needing a boost as well
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:30:00 -
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Man minmatar pilot whining on deimos new speed? this is pathetic!! Any HALF good vagabond pilot will still be way faster than it, and still have far superior range. A deimos vs vaga duel would end same end they always ended. But now deimos is useful for other things, since it can get close to targets pretty fast in gangs and pull some nice damage.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 12:43:39
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Man minmatar pilot whining on deimos new speed? this is pathetic!! Any HALF good vagabond pilot will still be way faster than it, and still have far superior range. A deimos vs vaga duel would end same end they always ended. But now deimos is useful for other things, since it can get close to targets pretty fast in gangs and pull some nice damage.
You are comparing the wrong ships. Muninn is a better Rupture and Deimos is a better Thorax, so those two should be compared.
I just had a look at those two ships at the test server. Deimos has less mass and higher top speed than the Muninn now. Also it has one more low slot than the Muninn, not to mention twice the drone space so it can field 5 medium drones (muninn can field 5 lights).
Its also interesting that the blaster deimos has 10 km longer targeting range than the artillery Muninn, and Muninn gets bonuses to projectile optimal (instead of falloff which would be much more appropriate) but whatever...
At least the Rupture and the Thorax is still balanced. Wonder when that will change as well.
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
dont worry jim, in a week ill be done with minni cruiser 5 so i can start to whine about minni ships needing a boost as well
I usually try to stay out of balancing discussions, so I wont be whining much more after this thread. I just think the balancing decisions are wrong sometimes, but not much to do.
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:37:00 -
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Oh man cant believe this finally happened, hope they also really implement it onto TQ.
A big thx to CCP.. at least now if I die my ghost wont haunt you
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Trind2222
Amarr
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:03:00 -
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Thank you ccp. I have invested a in deimos now.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 12:43:39
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Man minmatar pilot whining on deimos new speed? this is pathetic!! Any HALF good vagabond pilot will still be way faster than it, and still have far superior range. A deimos vs vaga duel would end same end they always ended. But now deimos is useful for other things, since it can get close to targets pretty fast in gangs and pull some nice damage.
You are comparing the wrong ships. Muninn is a better Rupture and Deimos is a better Thorax, so those two should be compared.
I just had a look at those two ships at the test server. Deimos has less mass and higher top speed than the Muninn now. Also it has one more low slot than the Muninn, not to mention twice the drone space so it can field 5 medium drones (muninn can field 5 lights).
Its also interesting that the blaster deimos has 10 km longer targeting range than the artillery Muninn, and Muninn gets bonuses to projectile optimal (instead of falloff which would be much more appropriate) but whatever...
At least the Rupture and the Thorax is still balanced. Wonder when that will change as well.
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
dont worry jim, in a week ill be done with minni cruiser 5 so i can start to whine about minni ships needing a boost as well
I usually try to stay out of balancing discussions, so I wont be whining much more after this thread. I just think the balancing decisions are wrong sometimes, but not much to do.
And you are trying to use munin in a role it was not made to. Use it as a support sniper ship, taking out frigates and e-war cruisers. A deimos have no chance of being as effective as a Munin on that role.
Munin is simply NOT a solo ship. Its a support ship.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And you are trying to use munin in a role it was not made to. Use it as a support sniper ship, taking out frigates and e-war cruisers. A deimos have no chance of being as effective as a Munin on that role.
Munin is simply NOT a solo ship. Its a support ship.
But dont you think its funny that while the Deimos has the perfect bonuses and slot layouts for being a blaster ship, Muninn doesnt get anything to help it work as a artillery ship?
If I were to design it as a perfect artillery ship, I would give it bonuses to falloff range, tracking, rof and damage. And I would give it 6 turrets so it has a chance of inflicting good damage from that range. Instead it has the usual crappy launcher/turret mix and not enough drone space to even use medium drones for defense.
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:13:00 -
[75]
/me hughs Dash R and the Dev and starts crying...
Thank ya man...thank ya...
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 13:25:02
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And you are trying to use munin in a role it was not made to. Use it as a support sniper ship, taking out frigates and e-war cruisers. A deimos have no chance of being as effective as a Munin on that role.
Munin is simply NOT a solo ship. Its a support ship.
But dont you think its funny that while the Deimos has the perfect bonuses and slot layouts for being a blaster ship, Muninn doesnt get anything to help it work as a artillery ship?
If I were to design it as a perfect artillery ship, I would give it bonuses to falloff range, tracking, rof and damage. I would give it good range. And I would give it 6 turrets so it has a chance of inflicting good damage from that range. Instead it has the usual crappy launcher/turret mix and not enough drone space to even use medium drones for defense.
Why to falloff? Nonsense. falloff is for AC. Arties have range> falloff, so range bonus is better. Munin is excelent ship. the only thing it could have extra is move one high to mid slot.
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 12:43:39
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Man minmatar pilot whining on deimos new speed? this is pathetic!! Any HALF good vagabond pilot will still be way faster than it, and still have far superior range. A deimos vs vaga duel would end same end they always ended. But now deimos is useful for other things, since it can get close to targets pretty fast in gangs and pull some nice damage.
You are comparing the wrong ships. Muninn is a better Rupture and Deimos is a better Thorax, so those two should be compared.
I just had a look at those two ships at the test server. Deimos has less mass and higher top speed than the Muninn now. Also it has one more low slot than the Muninn, not to mention twice the drone space so it can field 5 medium drones (muninn can field 5 lights).
Its also interesting that the blaster deimos has 10 km longer targeting range than the artillery Muninn, and Muninn gets bonuses to projectile optimal (instead of falloff which would be much more appropriate) but whatever...
At least the Rupture and the Thorax is still balanced. Wonder when that will change as well.
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
dont worry jim, in a week ill be done with minni cruiser 5 so i can start to whine about minni ships needing a boost as well
I usually try to stay out of balancing discussions, so I wont be whining much more after this thread. I just think the balancing decisions are wrong sometimes, but not much to do.
I have to agree with you that the muninn needs a buff, even tho i still feel its more of a close range ship then anything else.
One of the problems with the muninn imo is that it doesnt have the pg and range to become a very good sniper and it needs better res all over to compete at close range.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
But dont you think its funny that while the Deimos has the perfect bonuses and slot layouts for being a blaster ship, Muninn doesnt get anything to help it work as a artillery ship?
If I were to design it as a perfect artillery ship, I would give it bonuses to falloff range, tracking, rof and damage. I would give it good range. And I would give it 6 turrets so it has a chance of inflicting good damage from that range. Instead it has the usual crappy launcher/turret mix and not enough drone space to even use medium drones for defense.
Doesnt the Munnin get rof,damage,tracking AND optimal range bonuses ? Not even an Astarte with 7 guns has its alpha strike. It also has 5 guns the same amount as the Deimos. Nobody is forcing you to put launchers in those last two high slots btw..
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Trind2222
Amarr
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:51:00 -
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Muninn
Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range and 7.5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed per level
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:58:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 14:59:08
Originally by: Trind2222
I agree whit jim fix this ship to add a turret slot remove a Launcher slot.
They can remove all launcher slots for all I care. Launchers on a artillery sniper ship is like giving the Deimos less turrets and some launcher slots as well. They only serve to make the ship less focused and more difficult to skill for.
Even though the Deimos will probably become very popular with nanos now, so maybe launchers would be perfect for it...
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SkyEstaLimit
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:39:00 -
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Hell yeah, my Deimos finally can actually move ! He's gonna be good for a ride now ! And i finally won't get insta nossed to death with the NOS nerf ! Oh wait, what's locking me ? A neut boat !
/me can't wait this hits TQ
To everybody comparing Muninn-Vaga to the Deimos ...
Deimos nanoed orbiting out side web range will hit like a velator, but yeah drones will still hit, as long as no ones figures to pop em.
Deimos fights at 1km in its role, Vaga fight outside web range and Munnin from far off in most cases. I guess it only figures it needs some sort of capabilty to fit defense. Also, the number of vagas and munnin i fought compared to the number (single) of Deimos i fought tells a lot.
Thanks, make this TQ stuff !
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:44:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Even though the Deimos will probably become very popular with nanos now, so maybe launchers would be perfect for it...
Nonsense. Why would anyone nano a deimos, blasters wont hit outside webrange, an ishtar can do the same job with 3 times more DPS.
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SkyEstaLimit
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:45:00 -
[83]
Originally by: oniplE
Nonsense. Why would anyone nano a deimos, blasters wont hit outside webrange, an ishtar can do the same job with 3 times more DPS.
Exaclty, and where do you want me to fit the mag stabs with all those nanos stuffed in the lows ? =D
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Abdullah al'Weyouni
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:58:00 -
[84]
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lyrenna
Caldari
The Renaissance
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:59:00 -
[85]
good job ccp keep your good works going!
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Eela Valu
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:02:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Trind2222
Edited by: Trind2222 on 03/08/2007 14:02:38
Muninn
Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage per level
Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range and 7.5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed per level
3 Launcher slots
4 Turret slots
7 High
3 med
6 lows
I agree whit jim fix this ship to add a turret slot remove a Launcher slot.
Ehm. My Muninn is currently setup with 5x 720 Artys.
It has 5 Turret slots.
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:16:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 13:25:02
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And you are trying to use munin in a role it was not made to. Use it as a support sniper ship, taking out frigates and e-war cruisers. A deimos have no chance of being as effective as a Munin on that role.
Munin is simply NOT a solo ship. Its a support ship.
But dont you think its funny that while the Deimos has the perfect bonuses and slot layouts for being a blaster ship, Muninn doesnt get anything to help it work as a artillery ship?
If I were to design it as a perfect artillery ship, I would give it bonuses to falloff range, tracking, rof and damage. I would give it good range. And I would give it 6 turrets so it has a chance of inflicting good damage from that range. Instead it has the usual crappy launcher/turret mix and not enough drone space to even use medium drones for defense.
Dude.
Have you ever actually flown a Muninn?
I have.
A lot.
And they are absolutely phenomenal artillery ships.
And what do you mean it cant do good damage?
I would say my average volley damage with Rep fleet EMP M and 720 II's is between 1500-2000, against a tanked ship.
And it can go from a 20KM alpha monster to a 130km Sniper just by changing ammo types.
There is nothing wrong with it.
Deimos on the other hand is just crap.
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Issle
Gallente
VentureCorp
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:17:00 -
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Mmm. I knew there was a reason to hang onto that dusty thing. Some good blasters and faction ammo, and it'll be more fun on fleet ops.
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Malena Panic
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:25:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Cedric Diggory
The grid changes are needed, and a speed boost was too... but 220m/s base? With all those lowslots, you know they'll all be nanofitted.
That said, better nanoships than sitting with dustcovers on.
Quote:
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II glances off Monkeyshead <TRI>(Deimos), causing no real damage
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DarkXenon
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I think I see the plan now. Nerf all the speedy minmatar ships, but boost some of the gallente ones so they become speedy, and with twice the dps.
I figured the tradeoff for having strong dps was being slow, but seems that no longer should apply. Changes like these makes me wonder if the balancing devs fly anything but gallente.
Having strong DPS doesn't mean you should be slow, A deimos has to next to the target to do any dps, its got a weak tank and even weaker when you consider you need low slots for damage mods.
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Lord Loom
Loom Service
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.08.03 16:59:00 -
[91]
Originally by: DarkXenon
Having strong DPS doesn't mean you should be slow, A deimos has to next to the target to do any dps, its got a weak tank and even weaker when you consider you need low slots for damage mods.
true, boost the Deimos, it needs a better tank to also survive in close range, gun DPS, drones and speed isn't enough IMO
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MyOwnSling
Gallente
RONA Corporation
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:06:00 -
[92]
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Even though the Deimos will probably become very popular with nanos now, so maybe launchers would be perfect for it...
Nonsense. Why would anyone nano a deimos, blasters wont hit outside webrange, an ishtar can do the same job with 3 times more DPS.
Ever tried T2 Neuts with Null? I can hit way outside web range without max skills and no tracking computers (for all the good they would do for you).
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Stop whining.
Originally by: Puupuu
dude... your face...
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oniplE
NED-Clan
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:35:00 -
[93]
Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Even though the Deimos will probably become very popular with nanos now, so maybe launchers would be perfect for it...
Nonsense. Why would anyone nano a deimos, blasters wont hit outside webrange, an ishtar can do the same job with 3 times more DPS.
Ever tried T2 Neuts with Null? I can hit way outside web range without max skills and no tracking computers (for all the good they would do for you).
Yeah they can hit outside webrange, granted. Now try hitting something while you are orbitting @ 3000 m/s :P
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:50:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2007 17:51:05
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: MyOwnSling
Originally by: oniplE
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Even though the Deimos will probably become very popular with nanos now, so maybe launchers would be perfect for it...
Nonsense. Why would anyone nano a deimos, blasters wont hit outside webrange, an ishtar can do the same job with 3 times more DPS.
Ever tried T2 Neuts with Null? I can hit way outside web range without max skills and no tracking computers (for all the good they would do for you).
Yeah they can hit outside webrange, granted. Now try hitting something while you are orbitting @ 3000 m/s :P
And we're back to using missiles... 
Which wasnt really a serious suggestion, more a sarcastic one.
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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:55:00 -
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/emote dances.
Omg, thanks!
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