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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:17:00 - [1] Since my last few posts, BoB's situation has gone from bad to worse. It's really taking its toll on the BoB pilots and the BoB pets who rely on them. So often we CAOD posters focus on the big names, the big battles, the big strategic moves...but we overlook the little guy, the chess pieces who get pushed around by the BoB directorate. How is he handling the unending series of defeats and failures? How is he coping with the loss of BoB's prestige and aura of invincibility? That's what I'd like to discuss today. But first, I would like to offer a special thanks and congratulations to the Eve Tribune. All of us 1-man alt corp news types truly admire the Eve Tribune's top-notch reporting. The Eve Tribune is widely considered the most objective, well-researched, source-citing, in-depth news coverage in the Eve community. Not like the shoddy, shallow, biased nonsense put out by reporters such as myself. In fact, the Tribune has done so well in covering the last three weeks of BoB losses that I would like to quote its coverage of the eastern front, in its entirety, right here: "BoB and Goon are still going tooth and nail over in the west, with really not much change." Nice job, guys. But I think YACAODI1MAC will take it from here. DENIAL CASCADE: How BoB & Pets are coming to grips with loss The lady doth protest too much, methinks. -- Queen Gertrude, Hamlet Methinks the lady doth protest too much. -- Everyone except James 315, misquoting Hamlet The entire "Why is BoB Losing?" series relied on the assumption that BoB has been losing the war. Many of BoB's pets have quibbled with this assumption, so I may as well state--very briefly--why I think BoB has been losing. Two months ago, BoB reached its high-water mark in the conquest of RSF in the east. Then BoB's titans and motherships lost their game-breaking invincibility, and bad things began to happen. In Tenerifis, RSF began destroying BoB POSes in 9-9. BoB failed to defend 9-9, and lost 9-9. BoB attempted to retake 9-9, but BoB failed. RSF attacked XGH, and BoB failed to defend it, and they lost XGH. BoB lost even more POSes. BoB attempted to conquer XGH with POS spam, but BoB failed. Thus, BoB was driven out of Tenerifis. In Omist, RSF and its allies attacked the station systems of 6T3, QSF and Z-7. BoB failed to successfully defend, and BoB lost 6T3, QSF and Z-7. Then RSF attacked 66-. BoB failed to successfully defend its POSes, and sovereignty dropped--no more cyno jammer. BoB regained sovereignty temporarily due to its POS spam, but BoB failed to destroy the RSF POSes in 66-. BoB still has the system of D2E in Omist. Oh, and just for the hell of it, RSF attacked BoB's station in the Feythabolis system of R97. BoB failed to defend it, and sovereignty switched to Red Alliance (at least temporarily). In system after system, BoB failed to defend. In system after system, BoB counterattacked, but failed. BoB failed to defend over fifty deathstars, and they were destroyed. BoB attacked many RSF deathstars, and destroyed zero of them. Luckily, BoB does not keep track of POSes on its killboard, but it is losing its space in Eve. BoB's recent losses are severe, unprecedented and intensifying. In order to maintain the morale of BoB's pilots and pets, BoB initially kept its losses quiet, hoping the crisis would blow over. In fact, days after BoB lost the crucial system of 9-9, many of BoB's pets (and even pilots!) were unaware that this had taken place, and actually believed none of their POSes had been destroyed. Rather than being informed by their own leaders, they first heard the news from gloating Goons. (Proceed to part 2.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:18:00 - [2] We already saw how the Eve Tribune described the collapse ("not much change"). But since the cat is now out of the bag, a blanket denial of the catastrophe is no longer possible for BoB or its pets. Nevertheless, BoB and its pets have blanketed themselves in layers of denial, excuses and false hope. Because this is likely to continue until the end of BoB, and because they are essential for understanding the morale and psychology of those under the BoB yoke, it is important for any educated Eve citizen to become aware of them. First, BoB and its pets denied their side was losing by ignoring the POS war and focusing on killboards. Killboards always look better at the alliance level because you see all kills you share with your allies, and you do not see any of your allies' losses--only those in your alliance. Also, BoB has prided itself on its killboard stats for a very long time and has traditionally taken an "elites only" approach, thus maximizing its kill/death ratio. But with the incorporation of less capable pilots (such as Shinra's), a loss of competent fleet commanders (such as Blacklight) and the growing skill and experience of RSF pilots and fleet commanders, BoB has not fared as well in fleet battles. Furthermore, BoB's POS losses have been so severe that they can no longer be ignored. It is amazing how BoB's claims to win in 66- due to the doomsday'ing of 260+ RSF ships rings so hollow just a few days later. Most of BoB and its pets now realize that they have been losing in Tenerifis and Omist, and that it is not merely back-and-forth, like station ping-pong. Consequently, their outlook has telescoped out from the micro to the macro, looking at the war as a whole: "Tenerifis and Omist were formerly RSF regions anyway; they're just taking back what they already had; nothing is happening." Of course, this ignores the fact that Tenerifis and Omist belonged to LV only a few months ago, and that they have also lost sovereignty in a Feythabolis station system ("that's only ASCN space", perhaps?). But far more important is the fact that the stations belonged to BoB when they were taken by RSF. The POSes that were destroyed in those systems belonged to BoB, and the fleets that were defeated in those systems also belonged to BoB. Another excuse for the BoB losses has been that BoB was on an extended vacation for the BoB BBQ. In reality, this "extended vacation" was only a weekend, and BoB was far from being shut down that weekend. Thousands of BoB pilots and BoB pets logged on and fought during those days, and those days recede further into the past. BoB pilots have also claimed that they are fielding fewer numbers because BoB pilots play less in the summer than do RSF pilots. Needless to say, there is no evidence to support this assertion, nor is there any reason to suspect BoB participation will significantly increase when summer turns to autumn. Yet another excuse for BoB's failures to successfully counterattack is that BoB has been unwilling to risk its capitals due to a fear of desync's. This excuse is particularly ironic for anyone who has witnessed a traditional BoB turkeyshoot; BoB has always been much better at dealing with lag and server problems than any other alliance. This excuse also relies on a falsehood. The fact is BoB has risked its capital ships and has made concerted efforts to counterattack, including the execution of mandatory ops on the authority of SirMolle himself. Besides, why would BoB be unwilling to risk capitals when it is risking dozens of BoB deathstars of similar cost? (Proceed to part 3.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:18:00 - [3] I will say, however, that BoB has been more willing to risk POSes than dreadnoughts, and its capital and general participation could be better. BoB pilots prefer to risk POSes because those losses are not on the killboard and are paid for by the alliance rather than by the individual pilots. The unwillingness on the part of BoB pilots to risk their capitals says more about their confidence of success than about the state of the servers. Why should RSF be more willing to risk capitals? Is not BoB supposed to be endlessly wealthy and RSF poor? Lack of participation on the part of BoB pilots, especially capital pilots, is not the cause of their defeats--though it certainly doesn't help. Rather, the defeats caused the lack of participation. This decline in participation along with morale is a signature trait of all falling alliances. BoB's general and capital participation will continue to decline. Will the trend be turned around by a motivational speech or a CYVOK-style morale blog? Somehow I doubt SirMolle is up to the task. If he continues to threaten pilots with expulsion from the alliance if they don't show up to mandatory ops, I have a feeling a lot of BoB pilots will come down with a case of the Coalition Flu. Some of the more realistic BoB pilots and pets now realize that they have been losing, and that the situation is not so great. While they still do not realize the losses will continue, they admit that they will not win in Omist or Tenerifis, and that they cannot destroy RSF. They are saying that the most likely situation is a stalemate, not a total BoB loss. But let us consider this. One of the most popular BoB delusions is that RSF will become bogged down to its extended supply lines and lack of logistics. This delusion dissipates (or should) when one realizes that Feythabolis is only a few jumps away from the current front line. (Also, RSF has already attacked and taken sovereignty from a Feythabolis station.) Are we to assume the overextension of RSF supply lines will take place at this point exactly? Or should the BoB pets of Feythabolis write off that region and hope for a supply line collapse at Esoteria and Paragon Soul? BoB and its pets should also be aware that jump bridges become available at the higher levels of sovereignty which have just been introduced. Of course, the issue of long travel times has long since been dismissed by most observers of 0.0 warfare, even the BoB ones. With jump clones and more stations than one knows what to do with, and the fact that there is no shortage of jump drive fuel, it is silly to put one's hopes in distance. The most pessimistic of BoB are hoping that the distance of Paragon Soul, Period Basis, etc. will tire the enemy at least before they reach Delve. In this case, they had better hope the Coalition fails in Querious--which is on Delve's doorstep and a few jumps away from NOL. Another branch of the "logistics will fail" religion with many adherents is "RSF will run out of ISK for POSes." This greatly overestimates the cost of POSes and greatly underestimates the wealth of RSF. It is true that POS wars can be expensive...when you actually lose POSes. Scores of BoB deathstars have been popped, but RSF has lost none. In the ASCN war, BoB claimed systems using only a few deathstars, because it was so capable of defending them and popping the ASCN deathstars. Lately, BoB has been the alliance incapable of destroying deathstars or defending their own. Many RSF deathstars have been brought out, simply because they are necessary to avoid being out-spammed. But as the front moves further west, the threat of BoB spam in the eastern systems lessens and POSes can be recycled westward. It is BoB which has been losing ISK in the POS war, not RSF. (Proceed to part 4.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:19:00 - [4] One of the more peculiar false hopes of the BoB crew--though still a very popular one--is that the Red Alliance will abruptly stop moving west and will leave the rest of RSF to fight on its own. BoB members claim that Red Alliance is not interested in gaining a lot of territory, and that Russians would rather stay close to home and run complexes so they can convert ISK to cash. As always, arguments motivated by anti-Russian prejudice are beneath comment. But what of the idea that the Red Alliance prefers not to expand its territory? A quick glance at the territory map shows that in fact the Red Alliance has gone the farthest west of all: it was they who captured the R97 station in Feythabolis. Perhaps, again, it is the Feythabolis pets who must be written off while the rest hope the Coalition gets tired. Does BoB really believe that the Red Alliance does not desire territorial gains? Perhaps BoB is used to seeing Red's territory shrunken at the hands of the LV Coalition. But the LV Coalition is no more. Why should the Red Alliance not push further? Do they not deserve an expansive empire? Have they not survived struggles greater and challenges more bitter than those faced by BoB or any of its pets? Has their success not been more extraordinary? Have they not fought better and with greater resolve? The sacrifices and hardship taken on by the Red Alliance in the past are worthy of space and resources: BoB's space and BoB's resources. Can BoB deny that the Red Alliance deserves BoB's territory more than BoB itself? Why, then, should the Red Alliance not take what it has earned? It would be wise not to put one's faith in the lack of drive among Red Alliance pilots. As we have already seen, BoB's pilots and pets are relying on many things to avoid defeat. It is interesting that their faith is placed in things like logistical failures of the enemy rather than in the skill or leadership of BoB. As I mentioned in Part III of the "Why is BoB Losing?" series, one of their great hopes is that the game mechanics will change in their favor. After all, it was the game-breaking invincibility of BoB titans that gave them their advances into RSF space before, so why can't CCP break the game again? What, precisely, would BoB have CCP change? The most common complaint is that RSF is outnumbering them in recent battles. As mentioned earlier, part of BoB's problem is a lack of morale leading to a lack of participation. (On the opposite side, high morale among RSF is leading to high participation.) This is a particular problem for POS wars because they are so dependent on good timezone coverage. BoB has also, despite its massive and reckless recruitment, found itself outnumbered due to a lack of allies. Traditionally, BoB prefers to have a massive number of allies and outnumber its opponents, since it wants its enemies to have no chance of success. It is for this reason that BoB was, in its early (pre-Invincibility) days, often referred to as B(l)ob. BoB pilots and pets are now demanding that CCP find "a counter to the blob." This is ironic, since I recall very well all of BoB's previous boasts about winning while being outnumbered by huge margins. BoB has always claimed that its counter to numbers was to have superior pilots, skill, equipment and leadership. This is no longer the case, I suppose. Many BoB pilots complain that Shinra jumped on board to leech off of BoB's great reputation and then ruined it, along with their killboard stats. And nothing makes a BoB pilot gnash his teeth more than hearing a Shinra pilot volunteer to lead an op. (Proceed to part 5.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:20:00 - [5] Meanwhile, many of the new recruits resent the fact that they joined a BoB which they had expected to be invincible, but BoB did not deliver; it is like training for an uber-ship for months only to find that it has been nerfed. If you think I am simply biased or uninformed, ask any friend in BoB what he thinks of Shinra and he will tell you the same. But I digress. Will CCP create a "counter" to being outnumbered? I will put the next sentence in the most delicate possible terms. In the past, CCP's actions have not been unkind to the Band of Brothers. But to believe they will break the game so BoB can win while outnumbered is beyond any tinfoil that non-BoB members have ever tinfoiled. If CCP intended to break the game for BoB, they would never have fixed the supercapitals. BoB's overreliance on invincible titans was revealing. They used them for everything, even attacking small bands of Goons. The broken titans concealed, until recently, that BoB was already beginning to decay. No change in game mechanics will change this, and the brokenness of titans will likely never be surpassed. Still other BoB pilots put their hopes in constellation sovereignty to make their strongholds become invincible. This is also telling, since they are conceding that all of RSF's systems will become invincible, too, thus robbing BoB of its victory. As a side note, it is indicative of the "new" BoB that when constellation sovereignty first came into effect, GoonSwarm had sufficient means for constellation sovereignty in two constellations, and BoB in zero. That is one failure that cannot be blamed at all on Shinra, and as far as I know, one of only few. In any event, a quick read of the constellation sovereignty details reveals it does not grant total invincibility. All things considered, the new sovereignty rules help RSF more than BoB, as RSF will be able to make greater use of the jump bridge capability (especially since RSF has no titans). And then, finally, there is the last, best hope of BoB and its pets. Many of them believe that the Mercenary Coalition will bail them out as it has before. Unfortunately, the Mercenary Coalition is preoccupied in Querious, where IAC and Against All Authorities launched a full-scale invasion. MC has not been doing so well, and the fighting barely started before they lost another mothership to the southern Coalition. MC no doubt misses its easy battles against pushovers in the north with zillions of allies at its side and ripe new territory for the taking. MC, like BoB, prefers easy victories and has enhanced its reputation through propaganda: it is no coincidence that MC's successful contract against D2 merited interminable (even by my standards) battle reports, while its "Operation Prohibition" against IAC earned barely a peep due to its enormous failure. Now MC returns to fight against the same opponents which it lost against previously. MC may be better than BoB, but considering BoB's performance in the POS wars lately has been impotence itself, that is not saying much. Back in mid-June, the YACAODI1MAC public relations division sponsored part 1 of the "Strategic Decisionmaking for 0.0 Alliances 101" course, offering a hypothetical scenario where MC completes its contract in the north, only to be ordered by SirMolle down to the south to bail BoB out (again). MC is offered a choice between becoming a great power in the north, win lots of easy battles, influencing the emergence of the "new north", expanding its territory and becoming independent of BoB; or, on the other hand, MC could abandon all of its gains in the north, become irrelevant as the north reshapes itself, lose more motherships to Russians, attempt to enhance BoB's reputation and cement MC's status as a BoB pet for no gain. (Proceed to part 6.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:20:00 - [6] Seleene and his minions felt the post was ridiculous, and most of BoB's allies thought MC would be crazy to give up their stations in BoB space for a new adventure in the north. (Never mind that MC was conquering stations for free rather than having to build them, and that the Goons never build stations but already have two constellation sovereignty areas due to conquest.) Unfortunately, the YACAODI1MAC analysis was dead-on, SirMolle demanded Seleene drop everything and head south to bail him out in Querious and Seleene's fear, er, loyalty to SirMolle resulted in MC giving up its one chance at greatness for a quagmire which continues to tarnish MC's previously beaming reputation. As long as Seleene remains the leader of MC, following SirMolle's orders--no matter how detrimental to MC--will be all MC can do. The importance of Querious, however, means MC will not be able to save BoB and pets on the eastern front against RSF. What is a BoB pet to do? As BoB continues to fail in the east, SirMolle will no doubt demand the BoB renters make a better showing to defend "their" space (especially as the BoB participation declines). The BoB renters do not appreciate this. As it plainly states in their contract with Dianabolic, BoB is responsible for repelling all serious invasions of BoB tenant space. And BoB is supposed to succeed in repelling the invasions, not simply try to repel them. After all, BoB would evict a tenant that merely tried to pay the rent. BoB's renters owe nothing to BoB if BoB is unable to meet its terms of the agreement (which was drafted by BoB in the first place). BoB is not their host; BoB is a parasite. It sucks away their ISK, their dignity and their independence. And BoB also aggressively recruits the PvP'ers from the renters, leaving them even more dependent on BoB. BoB is supposed to provide only one thing in return: total expulsion of all enemies who would conquer their systems. BoB's failure to defeat RSF will leave the renters with two choices: break the already-broken contract and go their own way (whether that means switching sides in the war or going to empire is up to them), or going down with a sinking ship to which they owe no loyalty. A word of warning, however: the members of renter corps and alliances are renters because they do not wish to fight for their own space (or are incapable of doing so). They will not sit by and watch their own alliance destroy itself for a BoB that failed to meet its own terms. Directors of the renter alliances would do well to put their own people first, rather than BoB's. I have spoken of pets and of grunts, but what about the BoB directorate? While they stand to lose the most (by far) in the case of BoB defeat, and while they have the most reason to delude themselves into thinking they will not lose, they are also the ones who learn first of the impending catastrophe. They are the ones who have organized failed operation after failed operation. BoB's directors know all too well that attacking RSF POSes and defending their own is like pounding their heads against a brick wall. This is why their own morale is often the first to go, though they will normally attempt to hide it from their own people. In the ASCN war, John McCreedy got burnt out months before the ASCN pilots themselves lost the will to fight. I am struck by how similarly Dianabolic is now expressing the signs of burnout and fatigue. Observers of this conflict--particularly BoB and its pets--should watch carefully for signs that the leadership in BoB is being rotated in the near future. It is too late for Evolution to secure most of its assets, but I would caution those in BoB and its pet alliances to be wary of their assets, since departing leadership usually have a "plan B" that involves taking out a "retirement package" at their own discretion. (Proceed to part 7.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 - [7] Very well, this has become a long post by CAOD standards. I will reward those who have made it this far with a quick summary. BoB is undeniably losing the POS war, and its failures to attack and defend deathstars are unprecedented. They can only result in the loss of more and more territory. BoB's participation is declining and will continue to do so, especially for capitals. This is the result of their failure to get easy wins, and also makes certain more failures in the future: a classic failure cascade. BoB and pets, the supply lines will not save you. Feythabolis is close to the front lines, and jump bridges and other Eve features prevent distance from being an important factor. The Querious front puts you in an even more perilous situation. The ISK for POSes will not save you. RSF has plenty of cash and, unlike BoB, is not losing deathstars. As the front moves westward, RSF can reuse deathstars to avoid being out-spammed. Red Alliance will not spare you. It desires, deserves, is gaining and will have its breathing space, at your expense. CCP will not save you. It is not going to radically alter the game or break it for your benefit. If it wanted to do that, it would not have fixed the supercapitals. You are outnumbered due to your own faults and you will increasingly be outnumbered as your participation drops and pets flee your side. Constellation sovereignty will not save you. It will not make your systems invincible, and in fact will assist RSF more than you due to the introduction of jump bridges. The Mercenary Coalition will not save you. It is busy in Querious, where it has not been distinguishing itself but has been providing lots of fun for IAC and AAA. Bonus note: Seleene screwed up big time, and I told you so. BoB, the renters will not save you. You have failed to live up to your own contract terms. They owe you no loyalty and will not turn out in greater numbers to make up for your own failings. Renters, BoB will not save you. It cannot hold its own systems and is weakening steadily in terms of both fleet performance and capital participation. Do your own people a favor and get out while the getting is good. BoB directorate, your organization will not experience a second wind, and you will not find a magic fix in either a morale blog or threats of mandatory ops. Your job will not become more pleasant as the defeats pile up and your people demand answers and offer unrealistic solutions. Things may look bad for BoB now, but they are going to get much, much worse. There is a train in the distance, you can hear it already. In all respects it is a lovely, energetic train. No expense was spared in the design and construction of this train or the manufacturing of its components. It is perfect and complete, right down to the last detail. But in the creation of this train there was one unfortunate oversight. This train haven't breaks. - 315 ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 - [8] Edited by: AegriSomnia on 03/08/2007 21:23:11 DAMMIT JAMES!! I was THIS CLOSE )_( to bustin yer thread. Well, 1st anyway in a totally non-biased epeen enhancing BoB expose. I love yer work. Srsly.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Kirex on 03/08/2007 21:21:09 first in an epic thread... EDIT: DAMMIT D:< I could of broken the chain, but thought I'd be nice. ;p
Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 - [10] Yet more propaganda. very droll.

Madame Gillardo	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 - [11] So close to breaking the chain.
Prince Asmodai United Society Starfleet Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:22:00 - [12] i can't be ass'd to read all this..EVEN AT WORK!!
Syntosk The Undertakers United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Syntosk on 03/08/2007 21:23:29 first page in a soon to be epic post --
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:25:00 - [14] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 03/08/2007 21:26:51 Its fair to presume that after a series of system losses that one side is doomed. But in the classic short-sightedness of these armchair generals, the views are always short sighted, until the end is well and truly inevitable. The population of this game has never been good at keeping immediate history in mind, as if we all suffer from some form of short term memory loss. BoB is presently losing space. However, at one point the Goonswarm and Red Alliance were being steamrolled, losing one system after another. These are the fortunes of War. Things can and probably will change at some point, especially if Titans are adjusted (as IMO, they should be) to not be quite as hopelessly easy to kill as they are now. We'll see what happens. How are the pets handling it you ask? We're dandy; how about you guys? This isn't the signature you're looking for. Can you tell me where to find the one I am looking for? -Kaemonn
Lionel Richie The Commodores	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:25:00 - [15] FORUM ALTS SHOULD BE FUNNY YOU FAIL AT EVE FAGGOTRY TBH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anton March Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:27:00 - [16] tl;dr
Jogyn KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:29:00 - [17] Always nice to see James 315 posts
Aceoil Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:31:00 - [18] I can't believe I read the whole thing.
Kuentai Moloko.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:32:00 - [19] Ouu "The good man has few enemies, but the ruthless... None."
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:34:00 - [20] So so wrong....

MilhouseNixon Amarr Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:35:00 - [21] The only thing interesting about this post is how you have managed to retain your posting rights when mods were supposed to clamp down on one-man alt corps posting trash in CAOD.
ZaKma Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:36:00 - [22] Can someone make a summary?
TeufelsBeitrag Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:37:00 - [23] So did anybody except that poor Tri guy actually read that thing?
Loocoh Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:37:00 - [24] Waits for the tl;dr version...
Bin Matar Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:38:00 - [25] This thread delivers........... Many words Very Little insight U sir are a tool Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -HornFrog ([email protected])
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:40:00 - [26] Some groups are at their best on the offensive; others on the defensive. Most outside observers wrote Britain off after Dunkirk; I suspect it would similarly be mistake to write BoB off at this stage. No doubt their fair-weather friends will leave if things continue to go badly for a few more weeks, but the hard core that remain, with their large asset base, will surely exact a vicious price in their eventual defeat, should it occur. Even little FLA died far harder than anyone -especially MC- expected. Do you think BoB can fight as hard as FLA did? Other large alliances (no names required) on the other hand folded faster than anyone would expect. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:41:00 - [27] Choo choo? -
Malvahne Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Malvahne on 03/08/2007 21:44:12 This 'war' is far from over. Its not the first time we (the coalition) are looking to be on the upperhand and it wont be the first time BoB, MC, FIX and co pushed us back. Ones the war is over, then we will see who won untill then these walls of text are pure speculation and like most of the time turn out to be wrong in the end(although I do hope it doesent this time for obvius reasons ;p). PS: fix all typo's and earn a cookie.
Zhaine Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:45:00 - [29] YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN - - - - - - - - - -
Indomitus Rex Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Indomitus Rex on 03/08/2007 21:47:14 Originally by: Bin Matar This thread delivers........... Many words Very Little insight U sir are a tool I think the fact that you expect there to be "insight" on CAOD proves you are, by far, the bigger tool. It was a great read and, as always, a great vacation from the 1-liner trolls and people w/ little to no imagination in this forum. It makes CAOD a lot more fun and interesting which is definitely a good thing. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug

Death Priest Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. THIS Coming from the Masters of Propaganda and Spin themselves.. Now Thats Droll!
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:47:00 - [32] Blah blah blah....James....blah...your full of s**t...blah blah blah.....blah. Blah blah.....blah....BoB...blah... James your a loser, go find a new game you failed at this one.
Malcore Trisus Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:47:00 - [33] I dont understand why anyone would bother surfing these forums and replying to threads if they arnt gonna even read them. Seems like a huge waste of time tbh. James, your threads are definately entertaining in the otherwise bleak expanse of smack that is CAOD. Keep up the good work. Sure there is a lot of smack going on, but at least it's creative an thoughout, unlike a lot of what's posted around here.
Death Priest Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Maksiim Blah blah blah....James....blah...your full of s**t...blah blah blah.....blah. Blah blah.....blah....BoB...blah... James your a loser, go find a new game you failed at this one. Who's BOB main are you a Alt of?
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 03/08/2007 21:26:51Its fair to presume that after a series of system losses that one side is doomed. But in the classic short-sightedness of these armchair generals, the views are always short sighted, until the end is well and truly inevitable. The population of this game has never been good at keeping immediate history in mind, as if we all suffer from some form of short term memory loss. BoB is presently losing space. However, at one point the Goonswarm and Red Alliance were being steamrolled, losing one system after another. These are the fortunes of War. Things can and probably will change at some point, especially if Titans are adjusted (as IMO, they should be) to not be quite as hopelessly easy to kill as they are now. We'll see what happens. How are the pets handling it you ask? We're dandy; how about you guys? I don't think losing 9-9 to POS spam and broken supercapitals constitutes a "steamrolling", but far be it from me to keep you from slurping. BoB is recruiting from the most surprising of places these days, you might get lucky.
Florio Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:52:00 - [36] No humour, wall of text, deeply boring, but gold star for effort. Rating: 4/10. I hope you don't think these posts make you look clever or important, because you would be in error.
iiOs Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:53:00 - [37] longest post i have ever read in any game:) very intresting also, ty sir James ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Death Priest Originally by: Maksiim Blah blah blah....James....blah...your full of s**t...blah blah blah.....blah. Blah blah.....blah....BoB...blah... James your a loser, go find a new game you failed at this one. Who's BOB main are you a Alt of? How dare you.
Kuentai Moloko.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Malcore Trisus I dont understand why anyone would bother surfing these forums and replying to threads if they arnt gonna even read them. Seems like a huge waste of time tbh. James, your threads are definately entertaining in the otherwise bleak expanse of smack that is CAOD. Keep up the good work. Sure there is a lot of smack going on, but at least it's creative an thoughout, unlike a lot of what's posted around here. qft "The good man has few enemies, but the ruthless... None."
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:54:00 - [40] GREAT read... congrats. This thread will be EPIC! Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie

Bishop 5 Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:56:00 - [41] hmm skimmed over the post TBH. can someone confirm the POS K/D ratio thing? :D also... where the **** do you work, james? wish i had a job where I could spend 8 hours a day writing these essays ------------- meh
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Zhaine Edited by: Zhaine on 03/08/2007 21:47:29 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN Good god you fail so completely at everything James. Wow I didn't realize that COAD was getting so childish?!?! You sound like a little kid man Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Mark Starkiller D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.03 21:58:00 - [43] ouch this was looong.... but interesanting read like allways. -----------
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Zhaine Edited by: Zhaine on 03/08/2007 21:47:29 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN Good god you fail so completely at everything James. Denial cascade in action.
Astarte Nosferatu We Know Derek Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:00:00 - [45] I have read the whole thread, and it's seriously worth it. James, you are one of the few that can actually see BoB for what it is, and analyze the situation thoroughly. For all the people that haven't read the whole thread, do so as this is worth every minute of it. Even if you are only here to flame dear James, you better read the whole thread so you know what exactly to flame. signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) Uhm, no thanks. I don't want to risk my personal information being made public by e-mailing the mods
Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Death Priest Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. THIS Coming from the Masters of Propaganda and Spin themselves.. Now Thats Droll! Well it is rather amateurish; But far be it from me to critisize your level of standards. I envy people who live in a purple sky, I truely do.
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:01:00 - [47] Nice piece James. Definately a more interesting read than that dished out by the average CAOD Clunk. While you're obviously biased, so is everyone to some degree else they wouldn't be reading or posting at all. Everyone favours one side over the other even if it's just down to hating one of them more. You at least put more effort and thought into what you produce than your opposite numbers, such as Alice Cholmondeley. After reading your post there's always the option of indulging in the more typical forum balloonary by simply reading the following replies Keep it up. Captain Thunk
Obed Dark Materials	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:02:00 - [48] I don't know whether there's much truth to your posts James, or whether its mainly speculation, but I'd put these in the same league as Hardin's epic battle reports. In short, another interesting read ----- I have one account and zero alts.
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:04:00 - [49] James, thanks for making COAD worth reading
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:04:00 - [50] Originally by: Maksiim Blah blah blah....James....blah...your full of s**t...blah blah blah.....blah. Blah blah.....blah....BoB...blah... James your a loser, go find a new game you failed at this one. How has he failed? BOB are, at this point in the war, losing.

Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:11:00 - [51] Dear God, get ****in life man
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:18:00 - [52] I want to hear more about his imaginary girlfriend tbfh.
Virtuality Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:21:00 - [53] The title is pretty apt consider the first two pages in this thread.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:24:00 - [54] great job james, i love to read this stuff at work, you should get paid for this "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Lizhia Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:25:00 - [55] Wonderful read. I'd recommend this thread to my friends/loved ones.
Raeff Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:25:00 - [56] long, but kept me reading ... definately goes above and BEYOND biased War is like a rollercoaster. You have many ups and downs, and many turns. And don't forget the most important question of all. Can your track support the weight?
Probus Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:31:00 - [57] Edited by: Probus on 03/08/2007 22:32:37 Originally by: Florio No humour, wall of text, deeply boring, but gold star for effort. Rating: 4/10. I hope you don't think these posts make you look clever or important, because you would be in error. Bitter much? Apparently there is some truth in james's thread..
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:32:00 - [58] loved it -- IE-EX 0.0 We hate you too.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:33:00 - [59] When I grow up, I want to spin as well as James315 does. You sir, are an artiste!
CEO Pyrex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:38:00 - [60] Great read Denial was the biggest problem in ASCN as well, Ive made a deal with Cyvok and Gilbert Drillerson to share a bottle of Caldari Northeast province special 10233ad researve on the command deck of k-9 I dont think its a matter of 'if' anymore, rather 'when' be seeing you.....

CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:41:00 - [61] James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK-
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:42:00 - [62] Originally by: CYVOK James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK- Didn't you quit eve?
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:44:00 - [63] Originally by: Zenst Originally by: Death Priest Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. THIS Coming from the Masters of Propaganda and Spin themselves.. Now Thats Droll! Well it is rather amateurish; But far be it from me to critisize your level of standards. I envy people who live in a purple sky, I truely do. Quotes of a pwned man who got no other excuses
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:44:00 - [64] Originally by: CEO Pyrex Great read Denial was the biggest problem in ASCN as well, Ive made a deal with Cyvok and Gilbert Drillerson to share a bottle of Caldari Northeast province special 10233ad researve on the command deck of k-9 I dont think its a matter of 'if' anymore, rather 'when' be seeing you..... Biggest problem with ASCN was that they sucked, denial of this was irrelevant.
Supay Caldari The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:44:00 - [65] I thought the title said DENTAL CASCADE. Confused the hell out of me. .
Arl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:44:00 - [66] Edited by: Arl on 03/08/2007 22:44:35 Your threads are always worth reading James. Now taking bets on which pet is going to jump ship next.
James Grand Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:47:00 - [67] Sigh...yet another biased, self-important piece from James 315. It seems to me that you are writing about the world as you wish it were with the misguided hope that doing so will somehow affect reality. Sadly for you, the "pets" you seek to sway are smarter than you suppose and can see through your poorly veiled propaganda. You seem to have a lot of free time on your hands; don't you think it could be better spent? Regardless, let the Coalition circle jerk commence as they praise you for your glorious insight and congratulate each other on how well they are doing in the world according to James 315. -------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed in my posts are entirely my own.
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:48:00 - [68] Originally by: MrSpock Edited by: MrSpock on 03/08/2007 22:08:28 Thank you for the free publicity. Unfortunately, no forum thread offering such an unbalanced explanation of the situation will ever offer exceptional results for your main corporation/alliance. Reading atleast half of the replies you seem to be indeed very wrong. Unfortunately the truth may hit very hard. Even in a game. Regards
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:50:00 - [69] Good read ! Dont get mad - Get even
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:51:00 - [70] Very strong analysis here. Delictum 23216 Official forums

Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:51:00 - [71] I read all of it. It's a good read, and I agree with a lot of it, I don't know anything about Shinra/BoB relationship tho or their internal morale/participation/level of director burn out, but I can see the writing on the wall. D-L/MC/AXE/FIX vs IAAAC/BROS/The Reckoning is not even remotely close to being an even match IMHO, even if they were all committed, and none of the four seem to be. McBOB better pull something out of a hat or this is going to be way too easy for us, prohibition III is heading towards being an even worse failure than the first two Similarly TCF/RA/Goons/UNL/KOS/CA vs BoB+feythpets is about as uneven with the odds heavily against "alliance" side. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but personally I can't see how this war could possibly be won by BoB at this point. I mean unless they bribe me obviously rattles tin http://eve.klaki.net/
Otangka	Posted - 2007.08.03 22:53:00 - [72] Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. tsss***, Your momma.. loser!! Great read James(as always)
BIRDofPREY Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:00:00 - [73] I had bought tickets to "The Bourne Ultimatum" but I started reading your post. No need now! "Totally engrossing," says Rolling Stones, "A Must Read," from The New York Time Book Review. "I endorse this Book," says Tom Clancy, author of THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. Vanity Fair gives it a Shiny Gold Star, saying "He spelled a lot of the words right..." "Stop touching yourself," From his 3rd grade teacher I'm awaiting news that a major motion picture is in the works and Disney is going to let Lindsey Lohan play a Noob Alt with a drinking problem...
BIRDofPREY Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:00:00 - [74] I had bought tickets to "The Bourne Ultimatum" but I started reading your post. No need now! "Totally engrossing," says Rolling Stones, "A Must Read," from The New York Time Book Review. "I endorse this Book," says Tom Clancy, author of THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. Vanity Fair gives it a Shiny Gold Star, saying "He spelled a lot of the words right..." "Stop touching yourself," From his 3rd grade teacher I'm awaiting news that a major motion picture is in the works and Disney is going to let Lindsey Lohan play a Noob Alt with a drinking problem...
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:01:00 - [75] I read upto the bit about BOB hitting its high water mark. Thats the second paragraph or so after your quotes from hamlet and my interest hit a all time low. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. -- Queen Gertrude, Hamlet LOL a post that starts with a comment on bob denying a lot of the outragious predictions passed as facts using a quote from hamlet. ERM AND BTW 7 PAGES TO DEFEND YOUR INITIAL CRAP???. The james315 doth protest too much, methinks. -- Queen Gertrude, Hamlet lol
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:01:00 - [76] I read upto the bit about BOB hitting its high water mark. Thats the second paragraph or so after your quotes from hamlet and my interest hit a all time low. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. -- Queen Gertrude, Hamlet LOL a post that starts with a comment on bob denying a lot of the outragious predictions passed as facts using a quote from hamlet. ERM AND BTW 7 PAGES TO DEFEND YOUR INITIAL CRAP???. The james315 doth protest too much, methinks. -- Queen Gertrude, Hamlet lol
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:02:00 - [77] If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). Galaxian Recruitment Info
Livius Maximus Spectrum Solutions INC	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:02:00 - [78] Interesting read. Interesting reply's. While most of the OP post is interpretable, the only factual statement is, that BOB lost lots of deathstars, and killed none, in the last weeks. Anyone contradicting this ?
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:02:00 - [79] If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). Galaxian Recruitment Info
Livius Maximus Spectrum Solutions INC	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:02:00 - [80] Interesting read. Interesting reply's. While most of the OP post is interpretable, the only factual statement is, that BOB lost lots of deathstars, and killed none, in the last weeks. Anyone contradicting this ?

The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:05:00 - [81] No russian translation makes the baby panda cry. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Kyrie Elaison GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:08:00 - [82] I see a fair amount of people claiming that James is wrong. I don't see their evidence. Perhaps they'd care to offer an alternative explanation as to why bob and friends are down to 2 station systems in Omist? Why they recently lost their cyno jammer in 66-? Why they are incapable of removing enemy poses? If my questions have been previously answered, feel free to quote me and link me the answers. If not...well, I can hazard a guess on my own.
Malvahne Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:09:00 - [83] Edited by: Malvahne on 03/08/2007 23:09:38 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk snip I mean unless they bribe me obviously rattles tin Sometimes you make me cry inside :< Originally by: Stamm If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). Like looking in a ******* mirror!
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:12:00 - [84] Edited by: Stamm on 03/08/2007 23:11:55 Originally by: Malvahne Edited by: Malvahne on 03/08/2007 23:09:38 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk snip I mean unless they bribe me obviously rattles tin Sometimes you make me cry inside :< Originally by: Stamm If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). Like looking in a ******* mirror! I demand you wear glasses so people don't mistake us! Or an eyepatch or grow a beard! Galaxian Recruitment Info
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:14:00 - [85] If you spent as much time ingame shooting as you do fabricating propoganda, you would be the most feared pilot in eve. Food for thought Carrier 1 Billion isk 19 fighters 323 million isk Watching goonfleet getting there @$$ handed to them and reading there hagred attempt at smacktalking after the fact ...PRICELESS
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:14:00 - [86] Oh noes, we're all gonna die! Armageddon is coming! Hide the children, drink the booze before it's too late! :P _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Le Bon Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:15:00 - [87] I think you're very trained in the art of properganda mr goon/ra/tcf etc alt however, why would people be coming to grips with any sort of loss considering we've not lost a single peice of real estate (that was ours before this war) ?
Ace Frehley Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:21:00 - [88] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 03/08/2007 23:22:09 Originally by: Stamm Edited by: Stamm on 03/08/2007 23:11:55 Originally by: Malvahne Edited by: Malvahne on 03/08/2007 23:09:38 Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk snip I mean unless they bribe me obviously rattles tin Sometimes you make me cry inside :< Originally by: Stamm If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). Like looking in a ******* mirror! I demand you wear glasses so people don't mistake us! Or an eyepatch or grow a beard! Brothers!?? NO!!......................................... YES!!!!!!!!!! Its like those old classic bob-sunday propaganda posts... God I miss them, and when those are not posted, something must be wrong in the bob-camp??
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:24:00 - [89] Originally by: Le Bon I think you're very trained in the art of properganda mr goon/ra/tcf etc alt however, why would people be coming to grips with any sort of loss considering we've not lost a single peice of real estate (that was ours before this war) ? That's not relevant. What is relevant is this: You're losing every piece of real estate on the front lines, eventhough you're trying to defend it. The whole "lol you're not in delve yet" is a stupid as it is irellevant. If you can't defend a station here, how can you suddenly defend the station next to it?
munchy Alcatraz Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:26:00 - [90] james, you're obviously an intelligent guy, and have made alot of good points, but i dont think you have as much insight as you think. you've made alot of presumptions about alliances, and alot of these,i know to be wrong. you miss out another bob argument too, one which, if i were a bob pilot, i would take up straight away. the "if RA did it, why cant we?" argument, if bob pilots in their eyes are the best in eve, surely they can make a bigger comeback than ra did. imo, i think bob can probly think up a million reasons why they wont lose and by their logic, they will make sense to them. hell, maybe even some of them will be right, the war is still far far from over, and no one has pushed past the "middle ground" of old lv/ascn space (speaking for the south anyway). personally, i would place my bets on RSF, bob have never faced anything like this before, attacks from all fronts, large coalitions. But ra, have had all kinds of **** thrown at them, if bob put out a huge counterattack now, RSF wouldnt lose heart or panic. ---

Biosman Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:36:00 - [91] Wow,what a CLASSIC epic thread,read every word,well worth it.N1 James
Twoside Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:40:00 - [92] A nice read, thanks :)
Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:41:00 - [93] James315 I applaud your reporting and article writing ability. I think you're good enough to work for the Daily Mail. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
MonkSEALPup The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:45:00 - [94] Originally by: BIRDofPREY I had bought tickets to "The Bourne Ultimatum" but I started reading your post. No need now! "Totally engrossing," says Rolling Stones, "A Must Read," from The New York Time Book Review. "I endorse this Book," says Tom Clancy, author of THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER. Vanity Fair gives it a Shiny Gold Star, saying "He spelled a lot of the words right..." "Stop touching yourself," From his 3rd grade teacher I'm awaiting news that a major motion picture is in the works and Disney is going to let Lindsey Lohan play a Noob Alt with a drinking problem... We are on opposite sides of this conflict, but I have to admit - that, sir, is comedic genius. IAC/AAA/BOS (with a little help from us RECON guys) seem to be able to control 49- when the call is sent out. FIX/MC/D-L/AXE seem to make the most of the lack of consistent enemy occupation to keep the fight going. I follow the action like a housewife watching her soap operas. There are lots of momentum changes. It's also been a great learning experience for RECON so far. Thanks to our opponents for good times. /me takes rollers out of hair. Wait, erm, anyone got any Bon-Bons? Oh, and James, very good writing. Fact or fiction - no matter. tbfh it's all fiction to me since it is occuring in a virtual world. I play this game and read these forums simply to be entertained. You accomplished that today. Thanks for the entertaining read.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:45:00 - [95] I really hope Molle doesn't read this. Whatever the feelings for the dude or the bias in the post, this is something that would make him grind his teeth very painfully. If BoB reverses the tendance, expect vengefull posts from him. At the moment, he's hiding under the table waiting for the storm to pass but should he be given the opportunity, he'll come back here with foam at the mouth. In any case, that's why we read this board, probably the most entertaining I know from any game ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:49:00 - [96] Originally by: Sorja I really hope Molle doesn't read this. Whatever the feelings for the dude or the bias in the post, this is something that would make him grind his teeth very painfully. If BoB reverses the tendance, expect vengefull posts from him. At the moment, he's hiding under the table waiting for the storm to pass but should he be given the opportunity, he'll come back here with foam at the mouth. In any case, that's why we read this board, probably the most entertaining I know from any game Live by the sword, die by the sword. He's done a lot of propaganda posting in the past. He can't possibly complain about this. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:53:00 - [97] Good reading, nice effort. Thank you!
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:53:00 - [98] Just when i thought u couldn't do any better than the other "series" of threads, this one takes the price. Really nice read James, please come again soon mmkay? fofofo
Joycalyn REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.03 23:53:00 - [99] Originally by: James 315 There is a train in the distance, you can hear it already. In all respects it is a lovely, energetic train. No expense was spared in the design and construction of this train or the manufacturing of its components. It is perfect and complete, right down to the last detail. But in the creation of this train there was one unfortunate oversight. This train haven't breaks. - 315 qft
Mith'raw'nuruodo GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:02:00 - [100] This is obviously propaganda, but I love it. You guys can claim that James 315 is full of crap and how cowardly he is, but you cant deny that there is a glimmer of truth in what he says. The multiple ops I've been on where we casually shoot BoB death stars with hint of retaliation has surprised me. At first I thought it was just us cleaning up old towers like we still do every now and then with old LV towers that just happen to be hanging around, but then I learn that they were part of a recent POS spam. BoB didn't want those POS's anyway.

Ur235 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:05:00 - [101] That was quite a read :D Its better than the old BoB propganda we got in the ASCN war which was full of smack. These are constructive threads with alot of backing behind them I highly doubt the coalition will be reaching querious any time soon though tbh. But BoB are obviously overstretched atm and im guessin will continue to loose more and more space as the weeks and months go on.
Methusela Asguard Security Service Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:08:00 - [102] I don't know how many times I will have to tell you this: You just don't ** with russians. .Meth. Originally by:** omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN. Sig file too big. Mail [email protected] for more info - Cathath
Shayla Sh'inlux The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:08:00 - [103] Regardless of how much it true or not (I honestly don't play enough to even remotely know any facts), your posts are absolutely great to read. Once more you get a big thumbs up for writing an essay I enjoyed reading. Discussing moderation is a no-no - Tirg
oniplE NED-Clan R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:09:00 - [104] blablabla, this war is far from over, it will take atleast another 400 pages of James 315 propaganda before we'll see anyone claiming victory. Just play the game and we'll see what happens.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:14:00 - [105] Originally by: Le Bon I think you're very trained in the art of properganda mr goon/ra/tcf etc alt however, why would people be coming to grips with any sort of loss considering we've not lost a single peice of real estate (that was ours before this war) ? Classic "We didn't need it anyway" (c) ???
Inflexible InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:17:00 - [106] Is it manual how to draw wrong conclusions from well known facts? I tried to read it all but not enough stamina...
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:17:00 - [107] If James315 is so smart, how come ASCN was such a disaster?
Vyyrus	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:19:00 - [108] Edited by: Vyyrus on 04/08/2007 00:20:25 Originally by: Johnny ReeRee If James315 is so smart, how come ASCN was such a disaster? Everything that has a beginning, has an end.
Carsidava Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:26:00 - [109] If James 315 is so full of **** like BoB and pets are saying, then where are the rebuttals? Why can't BoB come up with some clear proof that they're winning? Why isn't there a BoB equivalent of James 315?
Black Opal hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:26:00 - [110] Originally by: fire 59 If you spent as much time ingame shooting as you do fabricating propoganda, you would be the most feared pilot in eve. Food for thought That's a pathetic attempt at a smacking sig...

Pantalones Piscado Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:27:00 - [111] I'm displeased to see Seleene hasn't spurted an inane, dismissive comment yet; he sure does like his emoticons! Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Mith'raw'nuruodo GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:28:00 - [112] Originally by: Carsidava If James 315 is so full of **** like BoB and pets are saying, then where are the rebuttals? Why can't BoB come up with some clear proof that they're winning? Why isn't there a BoB equivalent of James 315? QFT
Aries Acheron Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:32:00 - [113] Hello, Mr. Honorable CAOD Alt. Thank you for so prominently mentioning a our prestigious publication, Eve Tribune. Actually, I've been writing an article on the battlefield against BoB in the most recent wave of POS-sieging. It's probably going to be in the issue to be released monday (if all goes well with my co-writers, A-HEM) I'd like to address your post. I've got one issue with your opening of course, in defense of my co-writer's honor. Quote: "BoB and Goon are still going tooth and nail over in the west, with really not much change." You're referring to an article in last week's Eve Tribune that's a 'general update' called 'This Week in Eve'. It's not a detailed war report, it focuses more time in commenting about expected downtimes, welcoming Backdoor Bandit to our staff, major weekly crashes and SQL issues, Tyraxx losing an Imperial Armageddon, and MC trying to help out FIX from AAA/IAC. It's a summary of events, and it's hardly impartial to declare 'omfg, sweeping victory', in the same manner in which LV died after losing the JV-1V Titan Yards. Given that at the moment, we're lacking a reporter who is directly on that front, we must rely on interviews and reports with other people, as well as monitoring sov changes. This means there's definately going to be delays in any updates, as well as confusion over what exactly is changing hands and when. It's a lot different than the Northern Campaign, where we had participants on both sides of the fence. As it is, there certainly has been a recent reversal in favor of RSF, but it is certainly not as noticible as the sweeping advances made in earlier phases. Until one side breaks to the point of losing multiple systems quickly (such as the way LV/ASCN/D2 Folded), it's going to be impossible, and irresponsable to predict the results until more systems echange hands. Please excuse us if we refrain from making such open claims such as Originally by: "James 315" CCP will not save you. It is not going to radically alter the game or break it for your benefit. If it wanted to do that, it would not have fixed the supercapitals. You are outnumbered due to your own faults and you will increasingly be outnumbered as your participation drops and pets flee your side. Constellation sovereignty will not save you. It will not make your systems invincible, and in fact will assist RSF more than you due to the introduction of jump bridges. The Mercenary Coalition will not save you. It is busy in Querious, where it has not been distinguishing itself but has been providing lots of fun for IAC and AAA. We don't believe those to be particularly objective, nor entirely informative on the exact state of events in the South. Thank you very much for your continued interest in our publication as well as in 0.0 political activism, James 315. May YACI1MAC's secret Supercapital Buildup take both BoB and RSF off-guard when the time comes, and usher in a new age under our CAOD-Alt Posting Overlords. o7 ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:40:00 - [114] Oooh, look! A new James 315 post, and a necro from 2003, right next to each other! Both equally informed about current events. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:46:00 - [115] I think il w8 for the movie.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:47:00 - [116] Originally by: Bishop 5 hmm skimmed over the post TBH. can someone confirm the POS K/D ratio thing? :D also... where the **** do you work, james? wish i had a job where I could spend 8 hours a day writing these essays We haven't killed 50 deathstars, it's probably closer to 20-25 large POS (not all full deathstars, some were stolen while trying to unanchor, etc), and 30 or so small POS they used to cover moons. In that same time BoB has destroyed one large tower, and that was today when they caught one while it was anchoring
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:47:00 - [117] Originally by: Pilk Oooh, look! A new James 315 post, and a necro from 2003, right next to each other! Both equally informed about current events. --P Hahahaha
Starfall Hammer	Posted - 2007.08.04 00:54:00 - [118] Originally by: Zeveron Can I pls get your posts in a printed copy? You can cut and paste into any word program and print them that way? Hope this helps.
Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:04:00 - [119] Originally by: Death Priest Edited by: Death Priest on 03/08/2007 22:07:51 Originally by: Zenst Originally by: Death Priest Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. THIS Coming from the Masters of Propaganda and Spin themselves.. Now Thats Droll! Well it is rather amateurish; But far be it from me to critisize your level of standards. I envy people who live in a purple sky, I truely do. Don't resort to childish replies as it really makes the old Schoolers in BOB look bad, And there ARE some very good people in your organization.
Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Zenst Originally by: Death Priest Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. THIS Coming from the Masters of Propaganda and Spin themselves.. Now Thats Droll! Well it is rather amateurish; But far be it from me to critisize your level of standards. I envy people who live in a purple sky, I truely do. Quotes of a pwned man who got no other excuses I envy you

ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:06:00 - [121] Originally by: CYVOK James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK- Since you now have garnered Cyvoks support for your writtings, I think nothing else needs to be said regarding it's accuracy.
MrSpock Amarr Shinra	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:12:00 - [122] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Reading atleast half of the replies you seem to be indeed very wrong. Unfortunately the truth may hit very hard. Even in a game. Regards It is quite saddening to break it to you, Cmd, but judging truth based on a certain number of replies seems awfully naive, don't you think? I expected more from you. All the best Living in the sunlight, loving in the moonlight
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Pilk Oooh, look! A new James 315 post, and a necro from 2003, right next to each other! Both equally informed about current events. --P ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Erect He's Erect	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:16:00 - [124] Originally by: Carsidava Why can't BoB come up with some clear proof that they're winning? Why isn't there a BoB equivalent of James 315? Because James 315 is an alt. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am Erect.
Interval Grenadiers	Posted - 2007.08.04 01:25:00 - [125] It's almost as if you were raised on Molle's teat. No wonder Bobbits don't like you
LoganFire Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.04 02:18:00 - [126] I have to laught at most of your threads that you run, is it true that your main got podded so many times by bob? Is this why you hate bob so much keep the stories up they keep me amuzed at work.
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 02:24:00 - [127] Dont be silly James. BoB cant possibly be losing, as there are no Goons.
tarisai hsaun Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.04 02:26:00 - [128] well, i enjoyed it. read well with a nice subtle, soft focus humour blurring the edges.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.04 02:38:00 - [129] Originally by: ZaKma Can someone make a summary? No, and it is not comming out on audio tape either. Jesus Vhrist people, it took me all of 3.5 minutes to read that!
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.04 02:48:00 - [130] Originally by: The Beatnuts No russian translation makes the baby panda cry. Red Alliance/Goonswarm/Frech ****s are kicking the crap out of BoB.

Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:02:00 - [131] Originally by: Stamm If denial cascades, does that make it a waterfall? (Yes it's an awful pun). ^^ Love this post, cause it will be if the pets can't learn to fire back with something a little more potent than; Wait for it... 'Uh, no, you're losing!' Great read again James. hirr Morsus Mihi
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:10:00 - [132] Dear James 315, I bothered to read this thread where as im sure many didnt. I would like to say I want those minutes of my life back but your posts are quite entertaining however, i am getting sick of your totally biast bob this bob that crap. I've said it before and i'll say it again, your so far up RSF's arse you have no clue when its even daylight outside. I mean that bit at the end about the train totally sums it up. Your history lessons are quite good but your propegada bull is really starting to do my nut in. Cant you at least pretend to be semi-nutral in this conflict? _______________________________ Sig is too awesome and has to be removed... again
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:12:00 - [133] Originally by: fire 59 If you spent as much time ingame shooting as you do fabricating propoganda, you would be the most feared pilot in eve. Food for thought Fire 59 worst poster on eve-o, quote dis if your down Originally by: James 315 There is a train in the distance, you can hear it already. In all respects it is a lovely, energetic train. No expense was spared in the design and construction of this train or the manufacturing of its components. It is perfect and complete, right down to the last detail. But in the creation of this train there was one unfortunate oversight. This train haven't breaks. - 315 ftw
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:14:00 - [134] Excellent propanda James 315. They ought to hire you to work in the State Department.
Slayton Ford Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:33:00 - [135] Entertaining as always. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
CAINU	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:35:00 - [136] All talk and no action just like the wife
Dr Nightmare D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:36:00 - [137] how do you think of so much stuff to write about... it astounds me :)
PhatfarmUK	Posted - 2007.08.04 03:49:00 - [138] Interesting read James ... Worth reading every word just for the " Not another BOB properganda page " factor..... I still wouldnt write BOB off just yet... me thinks they are just re-grouping and trying to hold what they have..... Also Shinra arent as bad as you make out Ive had lots of battles with them and thought they fought well....although it has been awhile since Ive see any of them so maybe all the good pilots from Shinra have left and been replaced with new ones.
D8 PREACHER Reiskokopops	Posted - 2007.08.04 04:00:00 - [139] Well I found it very interesting , well written and informative .bn
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.08.04 04:28:00 - [140] I think they at "denial" phase now

Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.04 04:47:00 - [141] Edited by: Comstr on 04/08/2007 04:48:35 Oh James, you write so well. swoon. These posts make COAD worth reading. I don't care if the money goes straight to BoB to build another Titan, I'm sending him some ISK in thank you. I implore everyone else to do the same. Note to EVE-TV: Get that man an interview or analysis position!
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.04 05:01:00 - [142] Excellent read! Right up there with Hardin's battlereports. Hmmm, wait..just...a...minute. Could James315 infact be an alt of Hardin? The mind boggles You gotta wonder if BOB and pets have a standing order to derail james315 postings, when u notice respectable people like Thyrrax Torrk and Kuentai loving every minute of it! Personally, whenever I see a topic on CAOD by ppl like Seleene(ok, so Seleene have derailed into an attention**** lately), Hardin or James 315, I actually DO pop a beer, as they're allways a good read. Anyone saying otherwise is totally insane(either mad or rage like insane, mind) "You grow angry, You grow stupid". Seems alot of "Alliance" members are foaming outta their collective mouths these days
Erect He's Erect	Posted - 2007.08.04 05:01:00 - [143] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex I think they at "denial" phase now At what phase you? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am Erect.
testyonetwo	Posted - 2007.08.04 05:08:00 - [144] It clear bob losing no? They no post in this thread so they must be ready to lose now. If they be winning they post much on forums to tell us how winning they are, but they no post so is proof they no win. So when attack bob home nol, you all do soon ya? Sure to be big good fight you win because posting says you must win.
Zegox Z-Mart Inc	Posted - 2007.08.04 05:16:00 - [145] Good stuff James, keep it coming. Although your posts don't reveal much that isn't already well known, you do have a knack for eloquently stating what many of us have been thinking for some time. Also, love it how BoB & friends come running in the instant James315 posts something so they can get in their one-line flames I wouldn't be surprised if they assign people to watch the forums 23/7 so they can immediately respond and attempt to deflate any negative propaganda.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 05:40:00 - [146] Originally by: John McCloud Excellent read! Right up there with Hardin's battlereports. Hmmm, wait..just...a...minute. Could James315 infact be an alt of Hardin? The mind boggles You gotta wonder if BOB and pets have a standing order to derail james315 postings, when u notice respectable people like Thyrrax Torrk and Kuentai loving every minute of it! Personally, whenever I see a topic on CAOD by ppl like Seleene(ok, so Seleene have derailed into an attention**** lately), Hardin or James 315, I actually DO pop a beer, as they're allways a good read. Anyone saying otherwise is totally insane(either mad or rage like insane, mind) "You grow angry, You grow stupid". Seems alot of "Alliance" members are foaming outta their collective mouths these days I can confirm that James is not my alt, I reckon he must be Seleene's ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
ER0X Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:12:00 - [147] This thread needs MOAR Lionel Ritchie tbfh. get in there me old mate!
Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:26:00 - [148] Great read, and dang! James 315 has just demolished everyones notion of E P I C posting, and substituted it with his own. -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Kane Jacobs North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:27:00 - [149] Jade Constantine... Is that you?
King Dave Itto-Ryu Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:35:00 - [150] Originally by: James 315 ask any friend in BoB what he thinks of Shinra and he will tell you the same. Not all shinra joined bob, please stop refering to them as a whole

Zenst Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:40:00 - [151] Originally by: testyonetwo It clear bob losing no? They no post in this thread so they must be ready to lose now. If they be winning they post much on forums to tell us how winning they are, but they no post so is proof they no win. So when attack bob home nol, you all do soon ya? Sure to be big good fight you win because posting says you must win. Nobody can win a race with no defined end - can they now. I frankly do find it amazing how nieve some people can be and insist they know the facts based upon other peoples thoughts. If you go thru it all you get is speculation about BOB from somebody who doesn't like them. More please, makes good quotes after the war - at the end
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:40:00 - [152] Originally by: Erect Originally by: Carsidava Why can't BoB come up with some clear proof that they're winning? Why isn't there a BoB equivalent of James 315? Because James 315 is an alt. what does being an alt have to do with this question?
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:48:00 - [153] Originally by: James 315 This train haven't breaks. I think you mean - 'brakes'. I'm not sure too many people have bothered to read this one, sir. I can remember you saying that you didn't take the game too seriously in one of your last multi-posts ('multipass' - LeeLoo anyone?). I'm starting to think you may be fooling yourself. Hmmm ... _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:53:00 - [154] Originally by: Franga Originally by: James 315 This train haven't breaks. I think you mean - 'brakes'. I'm not sure too many people have bothered to read this one, sir. I can remember you saying that you didn't take the game too seriously in one of your last multi-posts ('multipass' - LeeLoo anyone?). I'm starting to think you may be fooling yourself. Hmmm ... hey you guys should hide more when we have less people than you do especially when 9/10ths are 1 day old newbies and the most dps we bring is a drake
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.04 06:59:00 - [155] I like these posts and have read them all without jumping to any conclusions or putting in my 2 cents. However, one thing is very clear: James 315 needs to get a more interesting job in RL.
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 07:00:00 - [156] Originally by: Nlewis Quoted me and I'm not sure why ... Your mother wears army boots? _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.
Murukan Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.04 07:37:00 - [157] Was an entertaining read, quite biased but that's to be expected. It will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks play out. I would definately agree on the assesment of shinra as the vast majority of them lost their pvp skills the day wcs got nerfed. But losing space might turn out to be extremely healthy for BoB in the long run. about a year and a half ago RA used to hold quite a bit of space and was very large for their time. But power brings in the sycophants and they got very fat. After losing all but one system they rebounded as a lean mean pvp machine. There is no doubt that BoB has gotten a bit fat as of late, but to write off their pvp core which built that alliance would be a rather silly move. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.04 08:08:00 - [158] Nice read, lots of words. I wish I had the time to read them all, I am glad I dont have the time to write them all.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.08.04 08:58:00 - [159] Originally by: Carsidava If James 315 is so full of **** like BoB and pets are saying, then where are the rebuttals? Why can't BoB come up with some clear proof that they're winning? Why isn't there a BoB equivalent of James 315? Clearly it's because Alice Chalamalamadingdong is on vacation. Coincidentally, Dianabolic is also 'getting worn out'. Are the two related? Hmmmmmm...
Gergragda Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:01:00 - [160] Originally by: Franga Originally by: Nlewis Quoted me and I'm not sure why ... Your mother wears army boots? She got your alliance mixed up with Southern Connection. They were hiding in their station today on a goonfleet newbee training op when it was a favorable friendly:hostile ratio for SoCo.

Apollyon X Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:07:00 - [161] Incredible read. So very well written and accurate, finally someone talkin some truth into these forums. If just one pet rebels against BoB then your mission is complete 10/10 for a great read. awsome.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:07:00 - [162] A good read, as usual. Also, lol at the Corelum Syndicate people posting in this thread like the opinions of their tiny RP/drug production alliance matter in any way. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:14:00 - [163] The veracity of James' posts are evidenced by the legion of bobbit pet/lemmings/alts who predictably flock to these threads to try and bury the truth by smearing the OP. It's really not the end of the world. After all, it's only a game. But the good news, is that once the bobbits disband, the dozen devs who inhabit the alliance currently will hopefully spread out a bit more. _________________________________________________________
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:19:00 - [164] I'm not sure if its been mentioned yet in your other threads but I have always been impressed by Bobs Pr machine, they did very well at boosting morale on the bob side while demoralizing their opponents. I have not seen many of these propaganda posts for awhile, I wonder if this has anything to do with it? Nice post once again although I do think you are a touch bias I do love reading your posts.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:24:00 - [165] Originally by: Berrik Radhok A good read, as usual. Also, lol at the Corelum Syndicate people posting in this thread like the opinions of their tiny RP/drug production alliance matter in any way. Whereas, of course, your internet spaceship fellowship matters very much. It must be such a bind to have your gameplay interupted by visiting international dignitaries, or cutting a fleet op short in order to end poverty and infant death in developing countires. Frankly, I know it sounds selfish, but I am glad I don't matter as much as you .. I'd hate a game to become serious business. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:31:00 - [166] Originally by: James 315 Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) ASCN (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Why don't you talk about us and the difference between former ASCN and RSF ? Be constructive, just to know if you are well informed. Let Bob do whatever they want. Their high-command is making mistakes, please do not gives them advices. -=-=-
Helen STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:41:00 - [167] Who said RSF was poor? STK providing Mothership deaths since 2007
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:41:00 - [168] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: James 315 Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) ASCN (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Why don't you talk about us and the difference between former ASCN and RSF ? Be constructive, just to know if you are well informed. Let Bob do whatever they want. Their high-command is making mistakes, please do not gives them advices. lol PS : How can u compare 1 alliance with 3 alliances ?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:43:00 - [169] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: James 315 Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) ASCN (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Why don't you talk about us and the difference between former ASCN and RSF ? Be constructive, just to know if you are well informed. Let Bob do whatever they want. Their high-command is making mistakes, please do not gives them advices. lol PS : How can u compare 1 alliance with 3 alliances ? I don't know, how would you compare Bob to RSF ? -=-=-
Kadarin Momentum. The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.08.04 09:59:00 - [170] Very nice work, James 315! You're doing an excellent job of making the BoB forum propaganda team from the ASCN war look like the rank amateurs they were.

NOObbody Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:10:00 - [171] This train haven't breaks. --- I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:16:00 - [172] Another great written post. However it bugs me abit that you point the shinra pilots out. Shinra had alot of great pilot, we got a few core shinra pilots in CI and they are very good indeed. But you are right about one thing something has happend in BOB. When I see all the new guys in BOB im like who the feck are these guys. Hardly anyone I know. Problem with BOB atm they got like 4% of the good old chaps and 96% pilots that are basically just tools. You can also call them drones becuase thats basically what they can do. Listen to orders and then try todo them. But you know all the problems with drones sometimes they do quite well but sometimes they end up shooting the wrong target and other times they are just quite anoying and wont fricking do what you command. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
Jherek Cornelian The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:22:00 - [173] Another excellant read James. You obviously enjoy your writing and there are many of us who enjoy reading it. It makes a refreshing change to read something like this than the usual drivel on this forum. How much of it is actaully true of course - I have no idea - but that doesn't detract from the enjoyment of reading it. As noone seems to be able to come up with any counter arguments other than 'u suck haha lolzers' I can only assume it is fairly near the mark. I await a 'counter truth' from my other favourite COAD posters - Seleene, Molle or Dianabolic - with glee. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Ruato Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:44:00 - [174] Edited by: Ruato on 04/08/2007 10:49:59 Originally by: StarLite Oh noes, we're all gonna die! Armageddon is coming! Hide the children, drink the booze before it's too late! :P Funny thing is that ive seen these type of posts from pretty much all alliances before they collapsed (for example, during ASCN war, they were losing battles, stations, etc and their pilots went to complete denial and said they never lose. And they suddenly went poof). Denial is interesting concept. EDIT: and no, im not saying bob is already dead, bury the carcass. I just find it funny that when someone is getting kicked in the nuts, still think they are winning. --- *Get rid of those bleeping secure containers. bleep!*
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:48:00 - [175] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood You can also call them drones becuase thats basically what they can do. Listen to orders and then try todo them. But you know all the problems with drones sometimes they do quite well but sometimes they end up shooting the wrong target and other times they are just quite anoying and wont fricking do what you command. Is this section a continuation of your comments on BoB, or are you refering to a different group here? It isn't completely clear. To be absolutely fair, the OP's post is quite interesting, and I can see how he draws the conclusions he does from the evidence he has presented. However, the evidence he uses is neither fully accurate, nor full complete, and so his conclusions are equally inaccurate and incomplete. I'd love to point out the mistakes he is making, especially about the things he is either neglecting to mention, or is genuinely unaware of, but it is actually better for us that the community thinks he is right rather than pointing out were he is wrong. It is easier to dismiss these posts with off the cuff remarks, and comical(ish) one-liners, simply because an equally in depth reply would either be responded to with the expected goon-esque treatment, or would be just dismissed as lies and propoganda because it is not what this threads target audience wants to hear. There was a time where I, and many others, would have been happy to have a lengthy and in depth discussion about this and many other topics here on CAOD, but now it seems nothing more than an exercise in futility. Maybe if the nature of this section of the forums improves that will change, but I don't hold out too much hope. Anyway, back to the OP. The crux questions are this: Did the supercapital changes hurt BoB in a way which seriously hampers their ability to fight a war? The OP would have you believe that all of BoBs accomplishments have been due to the use of supercapital ships. Is this true? (and if it is true, does that mean that CCP are now favoring the goons with game mechanic changes aimed at making the game easier for them, for surely that accusation would have been leveled at BoB if the roles were reversed?) Have BoB suddenly lost the ability to fight effectively? There seems to be some idea that by recruiting new members that BoB is not the 'elite' pvp outfit it once was. Does increased numbers mean a fatal redection in ability? If so, surely RA are suffering far more than BoB after bringing goonswarm on board? Does that makes sense, does it seem likely? BoB haven't destroyed any large POSs, (well, one), and thus they are losing the war. Whilst a superb tag line, what exactly does it mean? Does the average reader of CAOD think that this war will be decided by POS ping pong on the front lines, and that it should be the soul focus of both sides? Is it not possible that there are currently far more important objectives, and not always even at the front lines? From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. Whilst both sides are running around in circles, screaming at each other, and generally having a lot of fun, nothing much is changing at the front. This is good, because it keeps people busy. Now, I probably shouldn't have posted this summary, but I have in order to dip a toe in to the pool of forum sanity. I will use the reactions to this post to decide if I should bother trying to enter in to rational debate here yet .. (and yes, before anyone else gets the joke in, I am a master-debater). The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:51:00 - [176] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: James 315 Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) ASCN (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Bob (...) Why don't you talk about us and the difference between former ASCN and RSF ? Be constructive, just to know if you are well informed. Let Bob do whatever they want. Their high-command is making mistakes, please do not gives them advices. lol PS : How can u compare 1 alliance with 3 alliances ? If only there was some kind of game where we could fight eachother for territory.
Permayla Diota Minmatar Tech 2 Holdings Limited	Posted - 2007.08.04 10:55:00 - [177] I always wait excitedly for James's next post. Hes a truly rare talented spin doctor on Eve-0. I mean who else can take the drivel, hearsay, and blatant fabrications and post them with an obviously educated slant and insert just enough unproveable assumptions that the average lemmings in the market place slurp it up and beg for more. My only propoganda advice would be the following: - when spinning dont write so cast in stone the "reasons or views" of the target. Makes you look less credible when they reveal there reasons for X or Y and they dont jibe with your "intel" - Always promote your client more. Your lack of Goonswarm specific laudets and praises is letting the memory sneak back into the brains of the masses that Goons are still primarily meatshields and RA pets who claim any victory of there coalition as a "goon victory".(See "Goons" Kill titan posts) - Mention POS Spammage more, your almost getting the majority to forget that both RA and Goons are the POS Spamming groups of eve but you need to throw that on BOB more (at least 12 times a message) if you hope to refute reality. (Remember XZH Anyone?) Definately not a "tendrils of fear" caliber post but a promising newcomer to the scene. When your contract with goonies is over give me a shout I have lots of products I need sales brouchures/campaigns done for.
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:01:00 - [178] Originally by: Avon Is this section a continuation of your comments on BoB, or are you refering to a different group here? It isn't completely clear. To be absolutely fair, the OP's post is quite interesting, and I can see how he draws the conclusions he does from the evidence he has presented. However, the evidence he uses is neither fully accurate, nor full complete, and so his conclusions are equally inaccurate and incomplete. I'd love to point out the mistakes he is making, especially about the things he is either neglecting to mention, or is genuinely unaware of, but it is actually better for us that the community thinks he is right rather than pointing out were he is wrong. It is easier to dismiss these posts with off the cuff remarks, and comical(ish) one-liners, simply because an equally in depth reply would either be responded to with the expected goon-esque treatment, or would be just dismissed as lies and propoganda because it is not what this threads target audience wants to hear. There was a time where I, and many others, would have been happy to have a lengthy and in depth discussion about this and many other topics here on CAOD, but now it seems nothing more than an exercise in futility. Maybe if the nature of this section of the forums improves that will change, but I don't hold out too much hope. Anyway, back to the OP. The crux questions are this: Did the supercapital changes hurt BoB in a way which seriously hampers their ability to fight a war? The OP would have you believe that all of BoBs accomplishments have been due to the use of supercapital ships. Is this true? (and if it is true, does that mean that CCP are now favoring the goons with game mechanic changes aimed at making the game easier for them, for surely that accusation would have been leveled at BoB if the roles were reversed?) Have BoB suddenly lost the ability to fight effectively? There seems to be some idea that by recruiting new members that BoB is not the 'elite' pvp outfit it once was. Does increased numbers mean a fatal redection in ability? If so, surely RA are suffering far more than BoB after bringing goonswarm on board? Does that makes sense, does it seem likely? BoB haven't destroyed any large POSs, (well, one), and thus they are losing the war. Whilst a superb tag line, what exactly does it mean? Does the average reader of CAOD think that this war will be decided by POS ping pong on the front lines, and that it should be the soul focus of both sides? Is it not possible that there are currently far more important objectives, and not always even at the front lines? From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. Whilst both sides are running around in circles, screaming at each other, and generally having a lot of fun, nothing much is changing at the front. This is good, because it keeps people busy. Now, I probably shouldn't have posted this summary, but I have in order to dip a toe in to the pool of forum sanity. I will use the reactions to this post to decide if I should bother trying to enter in to rational debate here yet .. (and yes, before anyone else gets the joke in, I am a master-debater). Its funny, cus none of that text actually explains how James is wrong, all your doing is asking more question abouts the "signs" of you losing. And for the sov thing, yes, this is a war of sov, so if you cant take down poses, how are you supposed to win the war? And what you're pretty much saying is that "We didn't want those regions anyways", which is just one of the worst excuses i have ever seen to loosing space. But w/e, maybe you'll win, maybe you wont, lets see what happens. fofofo
The Eyeball	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:01:00 - [179] Seems BoB are so under the cosh they seen fit to throw up another outpost Didn't see that one coming did you Jamesy boy?
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:09:00 - [180] Did the supercapital changes hurt BoB in a way which seriously hampers their ability to fight a war? The OP would have you believe that all of BoBs accomplishments have been due to the use of supercapital ships. Is this true? The answer to your question is certenly yes.

Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:09:00 - [181] Avon, good post. However, I must take offense at your "nothing much is happening" comment. Is it normal for bob to call mandatory alarm clock ops, threaten expulsion from the alliance if people do not attend, and spend 10hours sieging a system, only to not have the balls to come back and finish off the towers? That we have been able to render your attempts at counterattack is a significant change. About the supercap nerf not hurting bob. Continue to think that way and use them how you used to use them please (for ex smartbombing ospreys recharging pos shields) etc.
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:15:00 - [182] Originally by: Avon It is easier to dismiss these posts with off the cuff remarks, and comical(ish) one-liners, simply because an equally in depth reply would either be responded to with the expected goon-esque treatment, or would be just dismissed as lies and propoganda because it is not what this threads target audience wants to hear. Are you conceeding that your alliance has lost the field in terms of propaganda and have been bellowed out of these forums? I'd agree. I also think there has been a reason why in the past it's been considered so important, I don't think anyone would go to the trouble of posting en masse and targetting enemy FCs for character assassination unless there was some value in doing so ingame. But by going too far seems to have resulted in the situation you stand in today. Originally by: Avon There was a time where I, and many others, would have been happy to have a lengthy and in depth discussion about this and many other topics here on CAOD, but now it seems nothing more than an exercise in futility. Maybe if the nature of this section of the forums improves that will change, but I don't hold out too much hope. I think you underestimate the impact your actions in the past have resulted in the state of the forums today, that you are now lamenting. I think the reason you preferred yesteryear is simply because it was one-sided in your favour. What James 315 produces is one-sided propaganda, but it's well thought through and carries grains of truth in it. Certainly a lot more classy than calling people names, making references to favour from higher powers (whether true or not) and organising concerted attacks at peoples character dontcha think? Captain Thunk
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:41:00 - [183] Butter Dog is in the house! CYVOK is in the house! Tyrrax Thorrk is in the house! Stamm is in the house! fire 59 is in the house! Audri Fisher is in the house! Hardin is in the house! Murukan is in the house! Avon is in the house! Helen is in the house! Lunas Feelgood is in the house! Congratulations James315, keep your blogs coming. They make for a good read and a nice party of replies. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Waldorf Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:42:00 - [184] Originally by: Fry Fortune Avon, good post. However, I must take offense at your "nothing much is happening" comment. Is it normal for bob to call mandatory alarm clock ops, threaten expulsion from the alliance if people do not attend, and spend 10hours sieging a system, only to not have the balls to come back and finish off the towers? That we have been able to render your attempts at counterattack is a significant change. About the supercap nerf not hurting bob. Continue to think that way and use them how you used to use them please (for ex smartbombing ospreys recharging pos shields) etc. I've not seen anyone in BoB threatened with the boot for not showing up to specific ops - and we've always had (and I've been in the alliance since it's conception during 2004) mandatory operations where we expect everyone to show if they can, especially since POS warfare came in (but I don't remember any post or mail saying you will be booted if you don't show up). As for not having balls, well that's rich coming from Goonswarm, who don't have the balls to fight BoB on their own. However the operation you're questioning was not about courage or balls - it was a sensible decision based on whether the task could be accomplished or not. Throwing 50 dreadnaughts into seige when you're outnumbered 3 to 1 has nothing to do with courage, it's about weighing up whether the task can be completed - the view was it couldn't, so we didn't and we're able to fight another day. I think the point Avon was making about Super Caps - was that we have won many many wars without them, so anyone suggesting the only reason BoB won in the past was down to Super Caps is greatly misguided or just plain stupid. I'm glad they nerfed Super Caps, as they were way to over powered, I'm also glad CCP changed game mechanics - it's brought RSF back into the equation, as you were getting steam rolled by a group of pilots a third of your size in numbers, before the game changes. I'm not sure CCP have the balance right yet, but that's for another section of the forum.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:44:00 - [185] Edited by: Avon on 04/08/2007 11:44:53 Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Avon I'd love to point out the mistakes he is making, especially about the things he is either neglecting to mention, or is genuinely unaware of, but it is actually better for us that the community thinks he is right rather than pointing out were he is wrong. Its funny, cus none of that text actually explains how James is wrong, all your doing is asking more question abouts the "signs" of you losing. See above quote. Originally by: NeoTech And for the sov thing, yes, this is a war of sov, so if you cant take down poses, how are you supposed to win the war? And what you're pretty much saying is that "We didn't want those regions anyways", which is just one of the worst excuses i have ever seen to loosing space. So, just to be absolutely clear, the coalitions amazing POS K/D ratio (because we all know that k/d ratios win Eve) has removed all of the alliances POS? Or at least given POS superiority in all their former space? And, like all their sov back? Right? Or maybe the POS k/d ratio is actually as meaningless as the goons think ship k/d is? Look at the map. Who is where? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:53:00 - [186] Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. This is one of the worst talking points ever, and no matter how many people say it, it will remain one of the worst talking points ever.
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:55:00 - [187] either people are gonna look back in months to come and say, "hey he was right!" or, "he couldnt have been more wrong!" only time will tell i guess. a good read though Brute Force Film
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:57:00 - [188] Originally by: Avon hay guys, it doesn't matter that you're taking station systems from us hand over fist because they're only your old stations that you took from LV and once you actually hit true BoB stations the dragon will awake and your advance will be stopped cold Oh, ok.
The Eyeball	Posted - 2007.08.04 11:57:00 - [189] Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. This is one of the worst talking points ever, and no matter how many people say it, it will remain one of the worst talking points ever. Why? Because you dont like to look at the facts?
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:03:00 - [190] Edited by: Angelus Damelon on 04/08/2007 12:03:52 Originally by: The Eyeball Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. This is one of the worst talking points ever, and no matter how many people say it, it will remain one of the worst talking points ever. Why? Because you dont like to look at the facts? Perhaps because it's an arbitrary decision of when territorial gains start to "count." You know, it's RSF territory because they held it last before BoB -- forget about LV, they weren't part of this war at all! Oh, wait, didn't BoB join the war while LV was still quite alive? Well, I guess they don't count. Or perhaps we could look at the facts: Who last held a solid claim to the region before the front lines moved there in the last couple weeks. Given that BoB had rented out part of Omist for awhile, had gained Sov 3 in 66- and D2EZ, erected cyno jammers, counterspammed POSes and fielded fleets in attempts to repel RSF's invasion... I'd say that it was BoB territory, and they were pretty intent on holding it too. we;lp

FarScape III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:06:00 - [191] To the OP, why are you so afraid? BoB pilots are cool guys. They won't hurt you for real, don't worry. Show your self. geez. A Minmater City... Cool!
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:16:00 - [192] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/08/2007 12:23:08 Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 04/08/2007 12:16:38 Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Avon (...) - I agree about the question thing : your reply raise question, not solve them. Avon, I don't understand : Bob put pets just on the frontline and now there is a "tendance" of Bob running out of frontlines. I'd say thanks for the gift... -=-=-
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:17:00 - [193] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 04/08/2007 11:44:53 Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Avon I'd love to point out the mistakes he is making, especially about the things he is either neglecting to mention, or is genuinely unaware of, but it is actually better for us that the community thinks he is right rather than pointing out were he is wrong. Its funny, cus none of that text actually explains how James is wrong, all your doing is asking more question abouts the "signs" of you losing. See above quote. Originally by: NeoTech And for the sov thing, yes, this is a war of sov, so if you cant take down poses, how are you supposed to win the war? And what you're pretty much saying is that "We didn't want those regions anyways", which is just one of the worst excuses i have ever seen to loosing space. So, just to be absolutely clear, the coalitions amazing POS K/D ratio (because we all know that k/d ratios win Eve) has removed all of the alliances POS? Or at least given POS superiority in all their former space? And, like all their sov back? Right? Or maybe the POS k/d ratio is actually as meaningless as the goons think ship k/d is? Look at the map. Who is where? I look at the map quite a bit, and what I've seen in the last two weeks or so was bob leaving omist like sand leaves a broken hourglass. Given, that's 'not your space from before the war'. However, people do see that you conquered the area but have now been driven back, left, or whatever. Is this just a case of some extended frontline ping-pong? If so, most of us are just waiting to see the 'pong.'
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:18:00 - [194] Main problem is, in my point of view, that BOB invested too much time into supercap production. Well actualy can't say it was too much time, but CCP pretty much ruined their efforts; they had logistics and ressources (as RA does) but decided to go for the (too) big toys. Of course, a titan was uber, now everytime you hit the DD button you actualy have to be sure you want to do such a thing because a cyno and one dictor will pretty much ruin all your invested time into its construction. Meanwhile, goons were able to go from frigates to battleships and from battleships to capitals, keeping a constant player flux allowing them to fill those three aspects correctly and with good ratios. RA and TCF just continued on their common objectives. Now, Avon, when you say that this territory we're daily retaking was ours before so it's not counted as a loss, just think about the renters you did put in place. Those incomes will be cut out, too soon. So every station we take from you or your renters is actualy ISK you won't get at the end of the week/month and will have to produce with your own time. But that's just a main argument that could be revoked stating BOB has infinite isk pockets, just like any old EVE superpower alliance. On the other side, on the Battlefield, I'm amazed to see BOB lacking the skill they once showed. They're easier to trap and easier to predict. They're making some realy annoying mistakes that shouldn't normaly be done - not that we are not able to do such eh, a dictor pilot of ours dropped a bubble just on our BS warping point - and this just breaks the image its HQ worked on for months. We do not see what you advanced in the forums on the battlefield, there's a difference between what you claim and what you actualy are throwing at us. Don't take that for a stupid taunt, I only hope it will get harder, you know me, I have some isks to spend and some local talking to do. Although they still represent an good challenge for us, don't get me wrong on that, we play to blow stuff up, or get blown up. Anyways I, for myself, am personaly enjoying this conflict and everything that revolves around it and hope to see more BOB on the overview of my brand new computer's screen. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Tabouli GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 12:51:00 - [195] Originally by: Avon So, just to be absolutely clear, the coalitions amazing POS K/D ratio (because we all know that k/d ratios win Eve) has removed all of the alliances POS? Or at least given POS superiority in all their former space? And, like all their sov back? Right? Or maybe the POS k/d ratio is actually as meaningless as the goons think ship k/d is? Look at the map. Who is where? O, we're both in Omist, the former space of Lotka Volterra, who you entered the war to save.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:02:00 - [196] Originally by: James 315 The Eve Tribune is widely considered the most objective, well-researched, source-citing, in-depth news coverage in the Eve community. Not like the shoddy, shallow, biased nonsense put out by reporters such as myself. QFT.
Waldorf Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:15:00 - [197] Originally by: Tabouli Originally by: Avon So, just to be absolutely clear, the coalitions amazing POS K/D ratio (because we all know that k/d ratios win Eve) has removed all of the alliances POS? Or at least given POS superiority in all their former space? And, like all their sov back? Right? Or maybe the POS k/d ratio is actually as meaningless as the goons think ship k/d is? Look at the map. Who is where? O, we're both in Omist, the former space of Lotka Volterra, who you entered the war to save. We came to pick a fight, which resulted in 30,000 (ish) accounts teaming up against 10,000 (ish) - I personally think the 10,000 are doing pretty well, don't you? The eastern front is now about 9,000 against 4,500 - still fighting over the former LV territory and we're still fighting completely outnumbered. I personally hope the next six months of this war are as bloody and intense as the first. There are many chapters still to be played out, which no doubt James will write about in his entertaining, completely biased and fictional style.
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:20:00 - [198] Originally by: Angelus Damelon Edited by: Angelus Damelon on 04/08/2007 12:03:52 Originally by: The Eyeball Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. This is one of the worst talking points ever, and no matter how many people say it, it will remain one of the worst talking points ever. Why? Because you dont like to look at the facts? Perhaps because it's an arbitrary decision of when territorial gains start to "count." You know, it's RSF territory because they held it last before BoB -- forget about LV, they weren't part of this war at all! Oh, wait, didn't BoB join the war while LV was still quite alive? Well, I guess they don't count. Or perhaps we could look at the facts: Who last held a solid claim to the region before the front lines moved there in the last couple weeks. Given that BoB had rented out part of Omist for awhile, had gained Sov 3 in 66- and D2EZ, erected cyno jammers, counterspammed POSes and fielded fleets in attempts to repel RSF's invasion... I'd say that it was BoB territory, and they were pretty intent on holding it too. we;lp Excatly my point. BoB, when does captured space become your space? Is Feyth, Paragon and Esot still ASCN Space then? fofofo
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:36:00 - [199] Originally by: Orangir Oh, ok. You're the best GoonFleet poster.
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.04 13:42:00 - [200] Originally by: Ruato Funny thing is that ive seen these type of posts from pretty much all alliances before they collapsed (for example, during ASCN war, they were losing battles, stations, etc and their pilots went to complete denial and said they never lose. And they suddenly went poof). Denial is interesting concept. EDIT: and no, im not saying bob is already dead, bury the carcass. I just find it funny that when someone is getting kicked in the nuts, still think they are winning. the really interesting part here is how quickly public perception can swing from one extreme to the other not just two months ago it was all whining and doomsdaying all over the forums about "how Bob is gonna conquer all of 0.0" and how they will win Eve now its the opposite, who's to say what it will look next? back to preaching the end of Eve again by the end of the year?

Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:00:00 - [201] Originally by: Avon The OP would have you believe that all of BoBs accomplishments have been due to the use of supercapital ships. Is this true? (and if it is true, does that mean that CCP are now favoring the goons with game mechanic changes aimed at making the game easier for them Well, no, CCP are now favouring the players not in caps or supercaps by allowing them to take part in battles as something other than a name on a Doomsday killmail, which is to the benefit of the bulk of players in any alliance (with the possible exception of MC ). Letting the BCs, HACs, cruisers, inties and frigs actually fight in circumstances where they're not inevitably waiting for Shrike or Orange Species or Evil Thug to press their magic button and obliterate a grid isn't 'favouring Goons', its allowing 99% of players to actually take part in the game rather than hiding in a POS waiting for the functionally indestructable killmail generator to log off. Originally by: Avon Have BoB suddenly lost the ability to fight effectively? There seems to be some idea that by recruiting new members that BoB is not the 'elite' pvp outfit it once was. Does increased numbers mean a fatal redection in ability? If so, surely RA are suffering far more than BoB after bringing goonswarm on board? Red and Goon pilots usually fight in separate formations (for language barrier reasons if nothing else) so there's no danger of RA abilities being diluted by us talentless frig n00bs. Obviously there is some co-ordination at the strategic level but in terms of PvP skill in fleet fights its not a problem. To be honest I don't think you guys having your ranks swelled by recruits from 'lower-tier' alliances is that big a deal either, as long as they know how to setup and fly their ship, can listen to orders and shut up on TS when neccessary. From my point of view, it does seem that BoB have lost some of their former PvP ability, and I think its because of something I mentioned above: up until Rev 2, BoB's regular course for important fleet fights was to get a cyno ship on grid with the hostile sub-cap fleet and remote doomsday them (I speak from experience as a Goon who got Doomsdayed by Chowdown, Shrike and Orange Species before I ever saw a Titan in-game), then use their own cap and sub-cap fleet to overwhelm the now unsupported hostile caps. During that time, BoB's sub-cap pilots weren't getting many fights against our sub-caps because it was easier and more cost effective to use Shrike's Magic Button to clear our ships out. You could and did do the roaming gang thing looking for fights, but we were less keen to engage at the time because we knew when we did you could and often would simply cyno in a mothership or 2 if the numbers weren't in your favour. In other words, your guys have got rusty. Originally by: Avon BoB haven't destroyed any large POSs, (well, one), and thus they are losing the war. Whilst a superb tag line, what exactly does it mean? Does the average reader of CAOD think that this war will be decided by POS ping pong on the front lines, and that it should be the soul focus of both sides? "Winning" or "losing" at 0.0 EVE is typically defined by territorial conquest, which requires making hostile POSs explode whilst preventing friendly POSs from exploding. From that point of view, yes, the war is going to be decided by POS warfare, and right now your side looks like they're coming off second best. If you have other objectives, then so be it but its hardly surprising that people believe you to be losing when the commonly accepted measurement says so too. Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. The space we're fighting over right now belonged to your former allies in LV & co, if you want to stretch a few months back.
Rex Mundus League of Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:02:00 - [202] Originally by: Kieranda Originally by: Ruato Funny thing is that ive seen these type of posts from pretty much all alliances before they collapsed (for example, during ASCN war, they were losing battles, stations, etc and their pilots went to complete denial and said they never lose. And they suddenly went poof). Denial is interesting concept. EDIT: and no, im not saying bob is already dead, bury the carcass. I just find it funny that when someone is getting kicked in the nuts, still think they are winning. the really interesting part here is how quickly public perception can swing from one extreme to the other not just two months ago it was all whining and doomsdaying all over the forums about "how Bob is gonna conquer all of 0.0" and how they will win Eve now its the opposite, who's to say what it will look next? back to preaching the end of Eve again by the end of the year? I'd say for the first time ever Band of Brothers is in an interesting war. From a bystanders point of view, a one-sided steamrolling whitewash isn't very interesting, can't imagine it's anymore interesting in taking in it part either. The smack on the forums isn't funny either, it's usually just jibes at people under the pretence that it's only targetting the "ingame" character not the out of game character. At least James brings us something to read and there's a point to looking at these forums as things can actually change rather than just follow the predetermined path. Rex
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:10:00 - [203] Originally by: Waldorf still fighting over the former LV territory and we're still fighting completely outnumbered. To be perfectly correct Omist is former XETIC teritorry; if youre going to point out former owners so vigourusly you should at least get your facts straight. Besides, you didn't want that region anyway...Right? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:41:00 - [204] Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 03/08/2007 21:26:51 Its fair to presume that after a series of system losses that one side is doomed. But in the classic short-sightedness of these armchair generals, the views are always short sighted, until the end is well and truly inevitable. The population of this game has never been good at keeping immediate history in mind, as if we all suffer from some form of short term memory loss. BoB is presently losing space. However, at one point the Goonswarm and Red Alliance were being steamrolled, by a squad of invincible and completely broken ships now fixed, losing one system after another. These are the fortunes of War. Things can and probably will change at some point, especially if Titans are adjusted (as IMO, they should be) to not be quite as hopelessly easy to kill as they are now. We'll see what happens. How are the pets handling it you ask? We're dandy; how about you guys? fixed. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
Stockarian Minmatar Darklite inc INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:51:00 - [205] That was a nice, well written post, although extremely long 9/10. The more bob come back with cliches and one liners, the more they look like the op is correct. I don't know the inner workings of the bobbits, but it would seem like morale would be getting low. The boys are so accustomed to winning, this has to be a serious wake up call. All the best bob, I hope you get everything you deserve. Hugs, Stock Originally by: Avernus Tell ya what, you will have my full understanding when the day comes and you get to shout 'TOLD YA SO!' on the forums. I won't even complain one bit; you can quote me on that.
Don Z0LA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:54:00 - [206] Edited by: Don Z0LA on 04/08/2007 14:54:08 Originally by: ED 209 Originally by: CYVOK James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK- Since you now have garnered Cyvoks support for your writtings, I think nothing else needs to be said regarding it's accuracy. since he got your alt attention means he said some truth aswell. anyways nice read. edit : spelling :/
Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.04 14:55:00 - [207] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood You can also call them drones becuase thats basically what they can do. Listen to orders and then try todo them. But you know all the problems with drones sometimes they do quite well but sometimes they end up shooting the wrong target and other times they are just quite anoying and wont fricking do what you command. Originally by: Avon Is this section a continuation of your comments on BoB, or are you refering to a different group here? It isn't completely clear. You seem like an intelligent guy my dear Avon, you figure it out. However if you are not ill be happy to educate you. Just send me a mail and ill explain the basic of modern communication. Originally by: Avon To be absolutely fair, the OP's post is quite interesting, and I can see how he draws the conclusions he does from the evidence he has presented. However, the evidence he uses is neither fully accurate, nor full complete, and so his conclusions are equally inaccurate and incomplete. I'd love to point out the mistakes he is making, especially about the things he is either neglecting to mention, or is genuinely unaware of, but it is actually better for us that the community thinks he is right rather than pointing out were he is wrong. My dear Avon, this section of you whiny post clearly say in a unconscious level, that you dont really know which facts is wrong but they must be wrong right? Could you plz do us the honor to counter argument which facts are wrong instead of just behaving like a five year old kid about whos dad got the biggest car?. If However you want to choice the last metode of arguments we cant really discuse anything or have an "intelligent" debate. May I suggest you go and talk with you pet, one way communication seems to work there. Originally by: Avon It is easier to dismiss these posts with off the cuff remarks, and comical(ish) one-liners, simply because an equally in depth reply would either be responded to with the expected goon-esque treatment, or would be just dismissed as lies and propoganda because it is not what this threads target audience wants to hear. Im really interested in which target audience you think this thread try to capture? Since aperently you think you are clearly to intelligent to dignifie youself in this thread. However one quistion comes to mind if you got so high regards about youself and you clearly awesome communications skills, why did you even get involved in this thread?? Originally by: Avon There was a time where I, and many others, would have been happy to have a lengthy and in depth discussion about this and many other topics here on CAOD, but now it seems nothing more than an exercise in futility. There was also a time where I, and many others belived the earth was flat. However things change and sometimes you have to admit you are wrong even if it really hurts alot. Originally by: Avon Maybe if the nature of this section of the forums improves that will change, but I don't hold out too much hope. I cant help smiling at this little comment. You have got to be kidding me right? Are you saying that is only Goons fault our forums is in this state it is today? Who do you think the Goons learned from, sherlock?? Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. May I suggest you change you seat becuase aperently you eyes are clouded. Could be all the ** you are spouting out, but who knows Originally by:** Avon Now, I probably shouldn't have posted this summary, but I have in order to dip a toe in to the pool of forum sanity. To dib a toe in a pool is one thing but getting you head under the watter to long, could have some serious issues on you brain activity. Note if you are a master debater then im a master speller Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
50n0v4 Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 15:16:00 - [208] You guys are missing the point. It doesn't matter who wins at space pew-pew, it's who captures the hearts and minds of the forums.
Waldorf Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 15:19:00 - [209] Originally by: vipeer To be perfectly correct Omist is former XETIC teritorry; if youre going to point out former owners so vigourusly you should at least get your facts straight. My original statement was to do with the 'current' war, as that is what we're discussing - so my facts are straight in the context of this discussion.
Raevenor GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 16:17:00 - [210] Edited by: Raevenor on 04/08/2007 16:17:57 Edited by: Raevenor on 04/08/2007 16:17:38 Originally by: CYVOK James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK- Cyvok speaks the truth, James post was of quality and research. If you don't agree with it don't spam your silly 1-liners and cheap smack attacks, since there is no giant enemy crab and hitting its weak point. I read all 7 pages, most people didn't even read it i bet the BoB guys didn't even ATTEMPT to finish the first page since they are incapable of actually reading for themselves since their directors won't allow them to, just follow on blindly folks. Good ol' Molle has it all under control, pay no heed to what you see on your screen, no they don't have sov in this system, we control it fully, BoB has Omist under full control, RSF don't have anything 1000's of angry bee's ram themselves into the vessel , its all okay ITS OKAY!

Hydraxian Gallente Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.04 16:37:00 - [211] Just like your 3 part series, another good read. No idea if its true or not, but you have done exactly what i would have done, gone through every point necesecary for the discussion on the ownership of southern 0.0. Id be very interested to read a similar "article" from somebody on the "other side". Anyone ?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 16:51:00 - [212] Edited by: fire 59 on 04/08/2007 16:52:21 Edit - meh Carrier 1 Billion isk 19 fighters 323 million isk Watching goonfleet getting there @$$ handed to them and reading there hagred attempt at smacktalking after the fact ...PRICELESS
Lakedaimon Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.04 17:00:00 - [213] Ack! My spirit! It's crushed! Sometimes I worry about how we've gone from bad to worse (which is like super bad!). I think about how we have gone quiet so people won't notice our losses. I mean Molle posting about his titan loss on the forums, that was so quiet the guy was practically whispering. That's how desperate we've grown (maybe because our region isn't that nice. I disagree by the way, the red backgrounds look awesome and the stations are full of exotic dancers.). Then I think about how we're clearly doomed because this guy said so on CAOD. You folks heard the OP - we have lost. And I'm not talking about the TV show here. Lost. There's no doubting the accuracy of his posts. He used full sentences and everything! We're pretty much screwed I guess, the only thing left is to quit EVE - who wants our stuff? I think about all those things when I read this dude's posts. But then I remember that during past wars we learned from our opponents that responding to the enemy sitting in your stations with alt posts and long strategic essays is not as brilliant a strategy as some originally hoped, so I proceed to think about dancing with the butterflies in a field of wild flowers.
Razor Jaxx Khumatari Holdings	Posted - 2007.08.04 17:22:00 - [214] The OP must be commended for a very well-written post (the same applies to his previous series). Writings like these are reminiscent of the 'good old days' and are always a pleasure to read. However, this post (and, again, the previous series) is heavily laden with obvious bias - again, just like in the 'good old days'. Bottom line : pure propaganda (and good propaganda is always very carefully crafted). The recurring argument by which BoB has weakened itself via the recruiting of substandard pilots, eager to join a winner but subsequently unable to deliver, is very debatable. On one hand, all major successful alliances are vulnerable to this form of decay - not just BoB ; the alternative would be to not recruit at all, and I can't believe this would be a better strategy, as alliances need manpower and cannon fodder. On the other hand, that argument is being brought up now, while if it really had that much of an impact, it would have been brought up a lot earlier - unfortunately, there was no so-called 'evidence' to back it up then. The argument, however, bundled in with the relative cajoling of core BoB vets, makes for a nice propaganda effect, which could prove quite damaging if pilots (especially BoB's) actually start believing it holds some truth. As for the rest of the post, it resolves mostly around strategic choices (and assumptions on the poster's part), which means it is largely speculative in nature. Certainly the facts are here - BoB lost quite a few stations without putting up much of a fight, and RSF are gaining ground, and BoB's allies ranks are thinning. One could argue that the situation might be a lot worse if BoB was fighting tooth and nail and still was losing ground at the same pace. Maybe they are just putting up token resistance while planning for a more effective approach? Maybe they considered they over-extended and felt necessary to focus their efforts on other areas of their vast territory? What about allies then? BoB has worked with YouWhat before, YouWhat are close associates of Triumvirate (a 'young' pvp force by EvE standards, but still to be reckoned with), who have also worked with MC before. Who's to say you won't see YW/TRI barging in from the north to save BoB's ass (that is, if it needs saving)? Who knows? This is all pure speculation, and unless you are actually privy to BoB's strategy and diplomacy, you know nothing, just as I do. That's the beauty of this game, anything could happen. Anything will happen. As for this war, well, it won't be over until the fat lady sings anyway - you can keep basking in the glory of your well-written posts, it won't change the actual outcome, whatever it may be. Peace.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 17:53:00 - [215] all these bob tears taste so good
Kyozoku Mutiny.	Posted - 2007.08.04 18:35:00 - [216] tl;dr
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.04 18:46:00 - [217] Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. The irony... Originally by: Lucian Sulla "I have sand in my vagina, so I can't pvp today"
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.04 19:12:00 - [218] Originally by: Don Z0LA Edited by: Don Z0LA on 04/08/2007 14:54:08 Originally by: ED 209 Originally by: CYVOK James, your walls of text are the only ones worth reading all the way to the end. Nice read, keep em comming. -CYVOK- Since you now have garnered Cyvoks support for your writtings, I think nothing else needs to be said regarding it's accuracy. since he got your alt attention means he said some truth aswell. anyways nice read. edit : spelling :/ It's great I have my own forums stalker! \o/ P.S. I bet he has be bookmarked.
Evenfall Phoenix The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.04 20:37:00 - [219] damn James, your writing style gives me such a large woody. Regardless of bias or facts or anything else, it's still such a great read.
Mark Syrus Gallente The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.08.04 20:56:00 - [220] Originally by: Bin Matar This thread delivers........... Many words Very Little insight U sir are a tool can someone tell RSF leadership to spew propaganda with there main characters. this is getting old...oh noes bob lost some "pet" space, its all over folks..pack your bags, BOB will no longer have to maintain sov over 40+ stations, now they will save isk b/c they only have 35. (insert sarcasm here). But from now on, since everyone loves to soak up what the rsf alts are saying. I will put together a propaganda Council to represent the Coalition side and the RSF Side. I promise that we will keep it brief, spamming pilots with 8 pages of garbage isnt my style. I ask that Sir Molle, Seleene, DB Preacher and other various leaders message me . so that we can set the facts straight. I also ask that pilots message me in regard to the info that they would like to see reported from both sides. My fellow pilots if you feel that you would like to try your hand at reporting the FACTS. Please get in touch with me. I want Immensea back, so contact me with offers. :) Thanks, Mark Syrus "The Shadow" Mark Syrus Founder of Crimson Shadows -The Phoenix Rising- "Rise within us through the Ashes of Empires"

Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 20:59:00 - [221] Originally by: Mark Syrus Mark Syrus "The Shadow"
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 22:33:00 - [222] Originally by: Gneeznow Fire 59 worst poster on eve-o, quote dis if your down I'm still trying to figure out what "hagred" means.
Gloomy Gus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.04 22:43:00 - [223] Originally by: Mark Syrus I ask that Sir Molle, Seleene, DB Preacher and other various leaders message me Thanks, Mark Syrus "The Shadow" . . . and the call was heard throughout the land, and the Greatest Dignitaries throughout the Mightiest Regions Of Space gathered at Mark Syrus' left hand to ratify what was forever known from then on as "The Shadow Summit". Those merely browsing the internet space forums didn't know it at the time, but they were seeing history in the making.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.04 23:50:00 - [224] Who are these BoB you speak of? Are they locals? This is a local galaxy...for local people... _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.04 23:57:00 - [225] Originally by: Gloomy Gus Originally by: Gneeznow Fire 59 worst poster on eve-o, quote dis if your down I'm still trying to figure out what "hagred" means. Wasn't he the giant? --------
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 00:09:00 - [226] Originally by: Avon Look at the map. Who is where? You are currently backing slowly out of the space that a few months ago belonged to chow, whose targets you stole, the targets being goons, of which there are none.
wallplate Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.05 00:15:00 - [227] Edited by: wallplate on 05/08/2007 00:16:12 Edit - Blah [:twisted:
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 00:17:00 - [228] Originally by: Zenst Yet more propaganda. very droll. this coming from the alliance that is the master of propaganda. "there are no Goons", remember that? Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Matty Walker Body Heat LLP	Posted - 2007.08.05 00:22:00 - [229] Back in the day, Sir Molle's motto was "nice region, we'll take it!" Now, when the bobbits lose space, they grumble "well, it wasn't really that nice, and we didn't want anyway, and it's summer, and ..." I hope the hardcore arrogant BoB war machine comes back soon -- I miss it. Well, not so much the arrogance actually, that never left, but the hardcore war machine part.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.08.05 00:34:00 - [230] nice read switch names and places and it can be projected onto any (late) alliance on a high horse; ISS, ASCN, D2, BoB be realistic, fair and trustworthy and your alliance should be fine -.- - putting the gist back into logistics

Psy'Zo Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.08.05 01:01:00 - [231] Originally by: James 315 impotence itself LOL
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.05 01:21:00 - [232] So I assume you will provide a well written synopsis ...say F2A-GX and N7-BIY get spammed to hell and back...? RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.05 01:31:00 - [233] Originally by: Victor Vision Butter Dog is in the house! CYVOK is in the house! Tyrrax Thorrk is in the house! Stamm is in the house! fire 59 is in the house! Audri Fisher is in the house! Hardin is in the house! Murukan is in the house! Avon is in the house! Helen is in the house! Lunas Feelgood is in the house! Congratulations James315, keep your blogs coming. They make for a good read and a nice party of replies. Am I that big of a forum troll?
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.05 01:38:00 - [234] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Avon Look at the map. Who is where? You are currently backing slowly out of the space that a few months ago belonged to chow, whose targets you stole, the targets being goons, of which there are none. BOOM HEAAAADSHOT! /avon's body runs like a headless chicken against the nearest wall. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 01:45:00 - [235] Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. How are you going to conquer all of 0.0 space if you can't hold what you conquered last month?
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.05 03:23:00 - [236] My Momma once said if bob had sex with goon that you would come up with CFS.... omg did we just come to a 360 in eve universe??????? pew pew pew pew pew pew pew... USN is on crak and cafe and some serious stuff that come from comets that omg USN is .....
Schlieren Altiprlayle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 05:27:00 - [237] Originally by: Gloomy Gus . . . and the call was heard throughout the land, and the Greatest Dignitaries throughout the Mightiest Regions Of Space gathered at Mark Syrus' left hand to ratify what was forever known from then on as "The Shadow Summit". Those merely browsing the internet space forums didn't know it at the time, but they were seeing history in the making. . . . Ahh, yes. . . yes, I remember that day. ____________________________ stop posting
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.05 06:13:00 - [238] This picture should explain it all.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.05 06:23:00 - [239] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 05/08/2007 06:23:41 Originally by: Alty MacAlterson This picture should explain it all. More like This one
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.05 06:25:00 - [240] Originally by: CrispyKritters Edited by: CrispyKritters on 05/08/2007 06:23:41 Originally by: Alty MacAlterson This picture should explain it all. More like This one Godwin's Law in effect. All rational discussion must cease.

CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.05 06:27:00 - [241] Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Originally by: CrispyKritters Edited by: CrispyKritters on 05/08/2007 06:23:41 Originally by: Alty MacAlterson This picture should explain it all. More like This one Godwin's Law in effect. All rational discussion must cease. There is rational discussion to cease?
Alty MacAlterson Alt Corporation Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.05 06:28:00 - [242] Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Originally by: CrispyKritters Edited by: CrispyKritters on 05/08/2007 06:23:41 Originally by: Alty MacAlterson This picture should explain it all. More like This one Godwin's Law in effect. All rational discussion must cease. There is rational discussion to cease? If there was, it would cease!
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 08:06:00 - [243] Originally by: Avon There was a time where I, and many others, would have been happy to have a lengthy and in depth discussion about this and many other topics here on CAOD, but now it seems nothing more than an exercise in futility. Maybe if the nature of this section of the forums improves that will change, but I don't hold out too much hope. If it's because the volume and ability of our forum *****s far exceeds your own no one will really mind if you just say we beat you at your own game, it was bound to happen eventually
Cyrus Ildemar GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 08:30:00 - [244] Originally by: Avon Or maybe the POS k/d ratio is actually as meaningless as the goons think ship k/d is? Guys I'm trying to calculate our POS k/d ratio but I keep getting a divide by zero error what am I doing wrong? :(
Keta Min Armoured Assassins	Posted - 2007.08.05 09:53:00 - [245] Originally by: Cyrus Ildemar Guys I'm trying to calculate our POS k/d ratio but I keep getting a divide by zero error what am I doing wrong? :( It's all your fault!!
Docteur Jal	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:05:00 - [246] James 315... Another Semaj Valencia's alt? :) You sound like him, same propaganda, same style, same comedy !
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:10:00 - [247] Someone from IAC told me to run to the forums... So here i am! ta-da Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Zeveron Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:32:00 - [248] Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. How are you going to conquer all of 0.0 space if you can't hold what you conquered last month? I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-) Its alliance has its longtime and shorttime goals: BoB Short: Destroy goons Long: Conquer 0.0 Goons: Short: survive Long: destroy BoB Who is nearer to achive his goals? PS: You didnt crashed the node last night. Next time pls bring more :-) Grats saving that small pos btw :-)
NOObbody Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:51:00 - [249] Originally by: Zeveron I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-) Its alliance has its longtime and shorttime goals: BoB Short: Destroy goons Long: Conquer 0.0 Goons: Short: survive Long: destroy BoB Who is nearer to achive his goals? Goons have achieved 1 of 2 goals, BoB however is struggling with both. --- I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
Kyle Frost Caldari Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:01:00 - [250] To the author: What exactly is the purpose of this thread ? To the readers : Why is this thread 9 pages long ? Is it simply because itÆs a BoB thread ? What gives the author credibility ? If I write 7 pages of ôsomethingö that includes BoB in it û are you going to read it ?

Ruato Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:08:00 - [251] Originally by: Zeveron BoB Short: Destroy goons If i remember correctly, there are no goons because bob already killed them while ago --- *Get rid of those bleeping secure containers. bleep!*
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:14:00 - [252] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Avon From where I am sitting, here is how I see the war: The allies are sitting in former coalition space, space which the coalition have still failed to retake - even after all the changes which they claim have sounded the death toll for BoB. How are you going to conquer all of 0.0 space if you can't hold what you conquered last month? I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-) Its alliance has its longtime and shorttime goals: BoB Short: Destroy goons Long: Conquer 0.0 Goons: Short: survive Long: destroy BoB Who is nearer to achive his goals? PS: You didnt crashed the node last night. Next time pls bring more :-) Grats saving that small pos btw :-) Uh.. Goons are nearer because they're still alive where as you have vowed to exterminate them over a year ago. Hey Let's do this instead, How many titans has Goonswarm lost versus killed? 2/0 Oh crap! You're losing with that comparison aswell, Okay well maybe that doesn't count because technically we got help from RA and TCF right? I guess that means we get to count the LV titan as a another kill, seeing as you were getting help from them right? OH ****! SURPRISE YOU'RE STILL LOSING!
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:16:00 - [253] Edited by: Local Her0 on 05/08/2007 12:18:52 Originally by: Kyle Frost To the author: What exactly is the purpose of this thread ? To the readers : Why is this thread 9 pages long ? Is it simply because itÆs a BoB thread ? What gives the author credibility ? If I write 7 pages of ôsomethingö that includes BoB in it û are you going to read it ? 1) because after 8 comes 9 2) no - it's an interesting read on an interesting conflict 3) his posts and his video(s) 4) depends on the headline and the first 2-3 sentences
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 13:09:00 - [254] Originally by: Zeveron Grats saving that small pos btw :-) Grats on losing a whole bunch of POSes. It's much more honourable to sit in your POS shields while we destroy yet another large (or small we don't care) than it is to try and stop us.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:31:00 - [255] Kill. BoB. Dead. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:36:00 - [256] Any chance on getting a proper battle report instead of a lot of arguing about lag or the usual spin from either side. Cos it seems to me that the fight is slowing down compared to how long it took RA/goon to take other systems?. Please only inclure facts and do not make predictions.
Epoh GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:50:00 - [257] I always enjoy reading your essays, you must have a lot of free time to think and compose. Eve-o forum coding is really terrible.
Isben Yamas COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.05 16:17:00 - [258] I want the same drugs james!
Sariyah Gallente HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.08.05 19:55:00 - [259] omg, 2long didnt read.
Sekket Caldari White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.05 20:15:00 - [260] Dude, you have so much energy, write a frickin' novel already.

Yorda Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.08.05 21:18:00 - [261] Nice one. My favorite part was that you even included a tl:dr. Hey BoB keep changing those goal posts and your players won't know where to kick the ball! I am still a goon so this signature stays
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.08.05 21:27:00 - [262] Originally by: Ruato Originally by: Zeveron BoB Short: Destroy goons If i remember correctly, there are no goons because bob already killed them while ago you do remember correctly. someone in bob posted about how goons would never be allowed to hold 0.0 space again and would in fact wipe them out of the game. then he said he was going to conquer all of 0.0. i just can't remember that guy's name, i think it started with kish, kush, something like that.
ZiYauRen Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.05 22:20:00 - [263] Ok... i'll likely get chewed on in corp for this post but hey. I almost never post in forums so i'll say my piece. In White Rabbit Ore in case it doesn't show n someone takes offense at that. I read the whole thing and despite the bias he has some good points and assumptions. The idea here, however, is to point out a couple things he actually missed. First off its not over and Bob likely isn't dead just yet. In spite of the fact that they are overextended and in a forced retreat they could regroup and do a breakout at some point. Thats expensive and unlikely to work without reinforcements from allies. So you guys pushin m back should watch ur flanks... could make for a nasty surprise. Aside from that the idea that Bob is valiant or somehow going to win because they are outnumbered but somehow superior is pure bull. They are outnumbered because they have already lost the propoganda war. They are trying to retreat and regroup there too. They don't have grass roots support. Bear with me a bit... the practical and useful 'missed' part is coming... honest :} Lets do some math and explain what Bob actually is. An alliance with 10 corp members. Tin Foil is the executor corp with 39 members and holds over 90% of Bob settlements. Four other corps hold around 90% of Bobs membership. only one corp besides Bob has taxes over 10%. The 39 members of Bob must be strongly committed because there taxes are 100%. One other is 80%. Most of their pilots are not into economics and are out there fighting when they can. Thier current viable conquest territory is flanked by empire and has a hostile front closing on them which leaves them little room for expansion and growth. They are prosecuting an expensive war. So you have a handful of capable highly committed guys who have momentum and must keep it going. Without they are finished. What does this mean? Well... now we come to the reason for this and the practical part. Today my CEO was attacked and pod killed by a Bob pilot in Gehi... no big deal ... happens all the time right? Problem is our corp and alliance has a deal w/bob. The pilots excuse was that he wasn't blue to him. How convenient. Even when told he demanded implants n pod killed when refused. Either Bobs admin sux or they can't be trusted. That is also not the only instance of such behaviour lately and it seems Bob 'doesn't notice' it. Look at those numbers again and do the math. What will these pilots do when bored, no pvp available, or think no one will notice. If you want to do your people a favor pull your support from Bob or don't give it and make a deal giving you at least quasi independence when the opposition shows. They need to keep such deals to get more. You are not gonna like what happens if/when Bob has all the cards and their pilots are bored. Thats a lot of bored pilots with only occasional supervision and apparently not a lot of self discipline. This is the time to turn the tables and save your people a lot of grief. Do you really think those guys will be happy just running missions once your area is secure and you are reduced to pos monkeys and cash cows? JUst a thot :}
Angeles Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.05 22:36:00 - [264] bob who?
Kymlicka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.05 22:39:00 - [265] Originally by: Angeles bob who? Bob Eubanks
joshua cane Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.05 22:43:00 - [266] warp to the can
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.08.06 01:47:00 - [267] this thread delivers.....lots of words --------------------------------------------------------------
Swinton Wolsoncroft Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.06 04:11:00 - [268] I designed those brakes. :colbert: Do not trolls in your sig. -Kaemonn
Celeste DeVall Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 04:30:00 - [269] "I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-)" Well, I'm ratting in Delve now. Quite nice here.
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.08.06 05:44:00 - [270] Bob Hope. Oh crap, I shouldn't post in here.

KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.06 12:19:00 - [271] Originally by: Celeste DeVall "I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-)" Well, I'm ratting in Delve now. Quite nice here. hahahaha
Otanes Tua mater	Posted - 2007.08.06 13:19:00 - [272] Originally by: ZiYauRen Ok... i'll likely get chewed on in corp for this post but hey. I almost never post in forums so i'll say my piece. In White Rabbit Ore in case it doesn't show n someone takes offense at that. I read the whole thing and despite the bias he has some good points and assumptions. The idea here, however, is to point out a couple things he actually missed. First off its not over and Bob likely isn't dead just yet. In spite of the fact that they are overextended and in a forced retreat they could regroup and do a breakout at some point. Thats expensive and unlikely to work without reinforcements from allies. So you guys pushin m back should watch ur flanks... could make for a nasty surprise. Aside from that the idea that Bob is valiant or somehow going to win because they are outnumbered but somehow superior is pure bull. They are outnumbered because they have already lost the propoganda war. They are trying to retreat and regroup there too. They don't have grass roots support. Bear with me a bit... the practical and useful 'missed' part is coming... honest :} Lets do some math and explain what Bob actually is. An alliance with 10 corp members. Tin Foil is the executor corp with 39 members and holds over 90% of Bob settlements. Four other corps hold around 90% of Bobs membership. only one corp besides Bob has taxes over 10%. The 39 members of Bob must be strongly committed because there taxes are 100%. One other is 80%. Most of their pilots are not into economics and are out there fighting when they can. Thier current viable conquest territory is flanked by empire and has a hostile front closing on them which leaves them little room for expansion and growth. They are prosecuting an expensive war. So you have a handful of capable highly committed guys who have momentum and must keep it going. Without they are finished. What does this mean? Well... now we come to the reason for this and the practical part. Today my CEO was attacked and pod killed by a Bob pilot in Gehi... no big deal ... happens all the time right? Problem is our corp and alliance has a deal w/bob. The pilots excuse was that he wasn't blue to him. How convenient. Even when told he demanded implants n pod killed when refused. Either Bobs admin sux or they can't be trusted. That is also not the only instance of such behaviour lately and it seems Bob 'doesn't notice' it. Look at those numbers again and do the math. What will these pilots do when bored, no pvp available, or think no one will notice. If you want to do your people a favor pull your support from Bob or don't give it and make a deal giving you at least quasi independence when the opposition shows. They need to keep such deals to get more. You are not gonna like what happens if/when Bob has all the cards and their pilots are bored. Thats a lot of bored pilots with only occasional supervision and apparently not a lot of self discipline. This is the time to turn the tables and save your people a lot of grief. Do you really think those guys will be happy just running missions once your area is secure and you are reduced to pos monkeys and cash cows? JUst a thot :} Quoting this for hilarity
Celeste DeVall Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 14:36:00 - [273] WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems.
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.06 14:39:00 - [274] Originally by: Celeste DeVall WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems. Taxi for Celeste DeNublet.
Celeste DeVall Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:14:00 - [275] Edited by: Celeste DeVall on 06/08/2007 15:15:16 "Taxi for Celeste DeNublet." If you want to send me home, you're free to come down to Delve region and send me and my alliance mates packing.
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:16:00 - [276] Originally by: Celeste DeVall ..i like npc...no shooty me i is carebear.... Embarrassing yourself.
Celeste DeVall Darksaber Technologies FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:20:00 - [277] "Originally by: Celeste DeVall..i like npc...no shooty me i is carebear...." "Embarrassing yourself." Misquoting people. Discrediting yourself.
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:37:00 - [278] Originally by: Celeste DeVall WTS ratting rights in Delve region. Prices and systems negotiable. Feel free to contact me through eve mail for quotes and available systems. delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights. ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:40:00 - [279] Edited by: Maksiim on 06/08/2007 15:40:03 Originally by: Torshin Delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights. WHAT? But they have...like...services......BUILT IN
Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.06 15:56:00 - [280] Originally by: Maksiim Edited by: Maksiim on 06/08/2007 15:40:03 Originally by: Torshin Delve has NPC stations, therefore there is no need to buy ratting rights. WHAT? But they have...like...services......BUILT IN Don't you see, now that they have returned to NPC space and given up defending POS we have unleashed their true power.

Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.06 18:56:00 - [281] What we are seeing is the Karma of Bob's previous 'holier than thou' attitude comming back to haunt them. For years we heard Bob claim superiority, state that they would control all of 0.0, dismiss all others as sub-human noobs and take credit for cleverness in using tactics that turn into exploits later. What that did is polarize Eve into those Pro-Bob, those Anti-Bob and those who stay out of alliance politics alltogether. The problem is that as Bob started its conquests it made more people mad than it made happy. Even those who wished to remain neutral were forced to favor one side. After all, if Bob's aim is to control all of 0.0 you can't really be an alliance unless you are on one side or the other. Bob's war machine did an excellent job of validating the claims of its propaganda machine for quite some time. It is now, when the war machine can't keep up its record, that the real test comes. As mentioned, it is the Pets who are receiving the brunt of the damage so far. Now that the Pets require help per their contract with Bob - and most importantly that Bob does not seem able to fufill its end of the contract - that the Cascade Failure is about to start.
Phillipe DeKeer Gallente White Rabbit Ore	Posted - 2007.08.06 19:20:00 - [282] Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:25:13 Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:22:58 Edited by: Phillipe DeKeer on 06/08/2007 19:22:07 Originally by: Otanes Originally by: ZiYauRen Ok... i'll likely get chewed on in corp for this post but hey. I almost never post in forums so i'll say my piece. In White Rabbit Ore in case it doesn't show n someone takes offense at that. I read the whole thing and despite the bias he has some good points and assumptions. The idea here, however, is to point out a couple things he actually missed. First off its not over and Bob likely isn't dead just yet. In spite of the fact that they are overextended and in a forced retreat they could regroup and do a breakout at some point. Thats expensive and unlikely to work without reinforcements from allies. So you guys pushin m back should watch ur flanks... could make for a nasty surprise. Aside from that the idea that Bob is valiant or somehow going to win because they are outnumbered but somehow superior is pure bull. They are outnumbered because they have already lost the propoganda war. They are trying to retreat and regroup there too. They don't have grass roots support. Bear with me a bit... the practical and useful 'missed' part is coming... honest :} Lets do some math and explain what Bob actually is. An alliance with 10 corp members. Tin Foil is the executor corp with 39 members and holds over 90% of Bob settlements. Four other corps hold around 90% of Bobs membership. only one corp besides Bob has taxes over 10%. The 39 members of Bob must be strongly committed because there taxes are 100%. One other is 80%. Most of their pilots are not into economics and are out there fighting when they can. Thier current viable conquest territory is flanked by empire and has a hostile front closing on them which leaves them little room for expansion and growth. They are prosecuting an expensive war. So you have a handful of capable highly committed guys who have momentum and must keep it going. Without they are finished. What does this mean? Well... now we come to the reason for this and the practical part. Today my CEO was attacked and pod killed by a Bob pilot in Gehi... no big deal ... happens all the time right? Problem is our corp and alliance has a deal w/bob. The pilots excuse was that he wasn't blue to him. How convenient. Even when told he demanded implants n pod killed when refused. Either Bobs admin sux or they can't be trusted. That is also not the only instance of such behaviour lately and it seems Bob 'doesn't notice' it. Look at those numbers again and do the math. What will these pilots do when bored, no pvp available, or think no one will notice. If you want to do your people a favor pull your support from Bob or don't give it and make a deal giving you at least quasi independence when the opposition shows. They need to keep such deals to get more. You are not gonna like what happens if/when Bob has all the cards and their pilots are bored. Thats a lot of bored pilots with only occasional supervision and apparently not a lot of self discipline. This is the time to turn the tables and save your people a lot of grief. Do you really think those guys will be happy just running missions once your area is secure and you are reduced to pos monkeys and cash cows? JUst a thot :} Quoting this for hilarity Otanes, you seem to find it funny, please enlighten us on exactly which aspect of this assesment you find factually wrong, or in error. Please also back it up with fact, that way we know that you know what you're talking about. Mirax Arneau, -WRO
Elmer Phud Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.08.06 19:38:00 - [283] Originally by: Celeste DeVall "I thought you should be ratting in delve by now, or better some months ago :-)" Well, I'm ratting in Delve now. Quite nice here. Well you already have the SS and cloak down. If you speak the proper foreign language perhaps you can get a job or maybe just set up your own shop.
Fzoul KAOS. KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.08.06 20:21:00 - [284] Quote: In fact, the Tribune has done so well in covering the last three weeks of BoB losses that I would like to quote its coverage of the eastern front, in its entirety, right here: "BoB and Goon are still going tooth and nail over in the west, with really not much change." Nice job, guys. But I think YACAODI1MAC will take it from here. ahahahahaahahahah! I see what you did there...
Blue Medusa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.06 22:53:00 - [285] Originally by: Yorda Hey BoB keep changing those goal posts and your players won't know where to kick the ball! BoB: "We didn't want those goal posts that far east anyways" --- pop! goes the tackler
LePrince Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.08.07 02:10:00 - [286] Originally by: Phelan Lore Choo choo? Yes Sir.


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