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Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 08:44:00 - [1] hi Something about me first. I am a commerce student at The University of Sydney, Australia. As part of my study, i have an assignment whereby i am to create and manage a corporation to return the highest possible profit (made up money) after a 24 weeks period. Normal students use a simulation tool provided by the university to do this. I, on the otherhand, is an EvE player. It didn't take me long to realise that i could use EvE expansive economy system as part of my assignment. So i had a talk with my lecturer and he agrees to give me a try as a special case. As an EvE player, i am a largely experieced player. Though i have yet to make a big investment in the EvE market in term of trading and production. The only thing i had done was speculative trading of zydrine right before Revelation 2 came out. I am however a commerce student and am confident in my ability to create a very profitable return to my investors. So here is the deal. I am looking to raise up to 5 Billion. I will be in the business of trading and trading only. There will be no production, mining or reseach. I will buy low sell high and do speculative trading on minerals. Since i will be working alone, I will not create a corp. This is to stop people war dec'ing me. My expected return after the 24 weeks period is 400% or just less than 6% per week compounded. I will not pay out any money until the 24 weeks period is over. If you do not want your money tied down for 24 weeks, i advise against investing. I have spent about 2 days doing preliminary research on price between regions. I am very confident that i will be able to make a profit of 6% per week. Since i will be doing this as a part of my study I will be devoting a large amount of time to accomplish this. I do not take any management fee or retain any profits. At the end of the 24 weeks period, whatever i make will be paid out to the investors. Additionally, i will provide to my biggest investors a copy of my final report. This report will detail all my trading venture and i hope for it to be of great value to those who has chosen to trust me. As a bonus, all investors will be listed in my special thanks page. Should you want your real name to be used instead of your EvE character's, I will comply. Risks I ascertain the risk to be minimum. I will never grace low sec or be in a non-NPC corp. The only real risk to the investor is in me being a scammer. But that is a risk you yourself have to measure. This is an initial survey of interest. If you are interested in investing please send me an EvE mail detailing the amount you want to invest in. I will pay out manually at the end of the 24 weeks period. There is no minimum investment amount but i ask if your gonna toy with me with 0.27 isk then you should instead dont bother me. I need at least 1 billion to start. Do not wire me any money yet as i might not be doing this at all if people are not interested. If you want to discuss this with me please feel free to contact me. Please use EvE mail to discuss the medium. any questions and suggestions please post. thank you.
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 08:47:00 - [2] Place holder
Kasumi Kreig Caldari United Systems Navy	Posted - 2007.08.09 08:48:00 - [3] Have you considered creating a corporation & issuing shares, so you can use an in-game mechanism for keeping track of who has invested in your corp? Additionally, it makes the investments that people make in you a semi-liquid, tradable commodity. Additionally, it's not clear to me that you can get that much return on trades. Maybe you can, but the game (or perhaps other players) adapts to successful strategies, and they start to regress towards the norm.
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 08:57:00 - [4] to Kasumi, I will create a list of all my investors. The list will stored as hard copies by myself. Additionally, i will create a digital copy stored in my computer and on my allocated space on the university server. As I will not take any more investors once i start, i do not need to update this list. As per your comment about the shares. I find it to be superfluous as i dont see many people looking to trade them. if someone really wants to do so i will mediate the trade manually. Even if your suggesttion prove itself useful, i can at anytime create a corporation. it is my belief that i will be able to return 6% per week. please remember that i will be doing this very professionally and not as a recreation. because of this i think the productivity wil be much larger than your average 2 hours after dinner enterpreneur. i have done research to back this up. but i can not show this for an obvious reason.
BritishInvader Amarr Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2007.08.09 09:20:00 - [5] I don't see this going well for you. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- EVE ART STORE - CLICK HERE
Nin Jem	Posted - 2007.08.09 09:40:00 - [6] You're going to struggle to get 5b investment when you're a 2.5 hour old alt.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.09 09:43:00 - [7] You say you're an EVE player, so who is your main? \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 09:48:00 - [8] i would rather not reveal my main. i think my main's involvement in this will affect the outcome in a way that is undesirable for me. since revealing his/her name can affect my credibility and as such it could be like having a celebrity publicly promote my products. not that i think my main has a reputation leveling G. bush. i want this to be an entirely seperated isolated case. sorry i cant reveal my main.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.08.09 10:02:00 - [9] I just sent you the 1 billion ISK to get started. I look forward to doing business with you. PSYCH! Seriously, POST WITH YOUR MAIN. - Interdiction Sphere Launcher I cpu usage tweak! (make it just like covert ops cloaks on recons)
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.08.09 10:21:00 - [10] Edited by: WhitePhantom on 09/08/2007 10:23:02 Originally by: Catherine Altair i would rather not reveal my main. i think my main's involvement in this will affect the outcome in a way that is undesirable for me. since revealing his/her name can affect my credibility and as such it could be like having a celebrity publicly promote my products. not that i think my main has a reputation leveling G. bush. i want this to be an entirely seperated isolated case. sorry i cant reveal my main. Your not going to get anyone to invest if you don't reveal who your main is. How can your main's credibility be effected if this isn't a complete and total scam. If your honest then your crediblity would only be effected in a positive way, I don't see why your afraid of that, so you must be afraid of having negative effective which makes me wonder why exactly that would be. The only answer I can come up with, would be that this is indeed a scam, and your looking to trick players who don't know any better. Its interesting your project is 24 weeks, but a normal semester is only 18 weeks as far as I am aware.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.09 10:44:00 - [11] Your argument for not wanting to reveal your main is flawed. You state you do not want to do it because you don't want celebrity to affect the product you are offering. You aren't offering a product, nor does the method by which you secure the ISK affect your stated goal for the project. Having your main involved in this will in no way impact on your ultimate cause. \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.08.09 11:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Daedalus DuGalle on 09/08/2007 11:14:02 Edited by: Daedalus DuGalle on 09/08/2007 11:07:26 University of Sydney? PAH! University of Melbourne all the way!!! Edit: Actually, University of Caille all the way!!! Edit2: You know what could help your credibility? If you somehow give us a link to your university subject description page. If it mentions such an assignment it might help convince people. Originally by: Janu Hull Nothing says gritty cynicism like a 1 ISK note wedged between a pair of silicone enhanced knockers.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:14:00 - [13] if you create a corp, you could join one of the industrial-minded alliances. people are usually pretty big on having shares, pretty to look at, even if that's all it is (uce lighthouse). you could talk to one (or a few) of the long-standing members of the financial community, reveal your main to them and get them to endorse you, as it were.
Hash Kakakin	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:52:00 - [14] http://www.econ.usyd.edu.au/subject/FINC4101.html is the link to the unit im doing. the actual unit website with relevant contents are accesible by students and staff only. the reason i cant reveal my main is that i will have to put this as part of my final report. it will look relatively suspicious if i have "assistance" from another character. even for cridibility purpose. incidentally, my main is not that famous anyway so i hardly see how it will help.
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 12:54:00 - [15] lol thats mah main
Zorak Dren	Posted - 2007.08.09 13:18:00 - [16] Wow.. just wow...
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:01:00 - [17] Have 2 trusted members of the Eve community verify that you actually have a main character, and that it is XXX old. They accept that the only point in which the main can be revealed, is in the event of a scam (failure to pay by the 24 week eta). If you honestly don't see why this is relevant then I question your true amount of time spent in-game. Everyone knows that you can create an alt, run a scam, and then create a new alt. If a main can be linked to your account, then you are putting your reputation on the line only in the event of a scam. Your rep would not be used in any way other than this as only a couple of people would know it. If you don't reveal your main at least in this method, your product has zero chance of getting off the ground, and you may as well tell your lecturer to give you the simulation software. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:12:00 - [18] We need to know who you are to work out if we trust you. In this investment game - trust is 99% of what we have. IRL they have controlling agencies, the police, sec etc to stop peeps just ripping each other off. In eve we do not. Tbh like another person said if your not going to go along with the suggestions above and others people here WILL make of you, you may as well just ask for that simulator. Best Regards, Taur
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Catherine Altair lol thats mah main um...
Hash Kakakin	Posted - 2007.08.09 14:30:00 - [20] Edited by: Hash Kakakin on 09/08/2007 14:32:04 your right, trust is really the main issue here. as such, im catherine's main. as i said before im not famous but since im asking you to trust me with your hard earned isks, i owe it to you just some honesty. judge me yourself, ask some of my ex-corp ceo's. see what they say. sorry for not doing this (earlier [Ed]) but for the given reason i didnt think it was a great idea. you convinced me otherwise. i hope this clear up the main issue. any more questions please do not hesitate to ask.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.09 15:35:00 - [21] Now post with your main to confirm I could say Oveur was my main but that wouldn't make it so without confirmation. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.09 15:48:00 - [22] Your a university student on commerce right- well you should have lots of academic papers you've written on your HD - upload them to Scribd then for us to look at. That would be a decent way to start earning some trust.
Hash Kakakin	Posted - 2007.08.09 15:56:00 - [23] I, hash kakain, is the main. what do your mean scribd? im not familiar with this technology please clarify and ill see if look through my pile of papers to see if i can upload some useful things.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Catherine Altair As an EvE player, i am a largely experieced player. Though i have yet to make a big investment in the EvE market in term of trading and production. The only thing i had done was speculative trading of zydrine right before Revelation 2 came out. I am however a commerce student and am confident in my ability to create a very profitable return to my investors. So now that you have shown us your main, who is less than 2 months old, how can you honestly say you are a 'largely experienced player'? What are you trying to pull here? Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Kitex Caldari Blacktag Test Labs	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:09:00 - [25] I love the way this forum works. Someone posts an investment idea that (almost always) has at least a couple of flaws, several pages of discussion and advice ensue, and the end result is often an entirely workable and profitable investment opportunity. Catherine, I'd like to see this work for you. The concern most people have is that you have no history in-game, thus they have no reason to trust you. Here are my specific concerns: The main you've posted with is 6 weeks old, and has been in 8 player corporations. Can you explain that? If your main is 6 weeks old, what high level trading experience can you possible have? Trading billions is a far different ballgame than trading 20 mil a week in Jita. And frankly, the idea of a new player engaging in speculative mineral trading with public investment money scares me. That market is truly not for beginners. I'm sure you're skilled as a commerce student, but there is a lot to learn about the EVE economy that neither the real world nor 6 weeks in game can teach you. Like I said, I hope we can help you find a plan that's workable. But personally, I'll be suprised if you can answer the above concerns convincingly enough to get me to invest ISK. Scams are too prevelant, and I just have no basis to trust you.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:16:00 - [26] I have no problem with you starting with a 100m ipo or bond offering, but as the above poster nicely said, 5b is way too much to put in the hands of a new player. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:37:00 - [27] Edited by: Catherine Altair on 09/08/2007 16:39:41 Edited by: Catherine Altair on 09/08/2007 16:38:14 well there is nothing i could say but your right, if you consider 6 weeks to be a short amount of time then im inexperieced relative to 4 year-old 60M sp characters. But really to say that my knowledge in commerce and economics is entirely inapplicable to EvE is a big disclaim. to me, the only real knowledge one must know about EvE economy is mainly -how items are generated : loots, productions -how productions are performed : BPO from npc's, minerals mined -how items are removed : destruction -how isks are generated : insurance payout, bounty, npc commodity trading -how isks are removed : tax, insurance fees, skill books, npc items etc. the main economy in EvE involves ships, modules, BPO's, minerals really, im pretty sure i know how EvE economy work. i wont say im a leading expert, but i believe very strongly that i can work your investment to return 6% / week as i promise. if you want me to answer your questions please be specific about it about my credibility : well your right its rather hard to prove im not a scam. so if you have any mean for me to prove myself, please do so. and i still consider myself to be largely experienced. while i wont be able to tell you the dps of a ship from its modules and your sp in gunnery or tell you your perfect tanking setup for taking certain rats in your bs. i know all i need to know that is relevant to my venture. i learn very fast. i still have much to learn and what i am doing is also an integral part to my learning as an investor. thats why im going to university. im looking for people who would invest their knowledge as well, though i wont be able to pay you for any advice given :). edit: i only need 1bil. and the reason i max at 5bil is because i dont think theres enough commodity on the market to make a return of 6% per week on more than 5 bil investment.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Hash Kakakin the actual unit website with relevant contents are accesible by students and staff only. Post the details of it here. I want to know exactly what it's asking you to do and if it pertains to what you're saying here. And if you're trading to get this 6% per week either your sums are off or you're not looking in the right place. There are commodities out there where it's sustainable to trade at a return of at least 6% per day at the ISK volume you are talking about. \| Open Source Offline Wallet \| BMBE ISK Loans \|
Catherine Altair	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:51:00 - [29] if you know of this 6% per day then please tell me but then again you would probably be making infinite money off it right now as you double your cash in 12 days so if you had 5bil then you would have 1 trillion in ~50 days.
SencneS Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.08.09 16:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Catherine Altair Edited by: Catherine Altair on 09/08/2007 16:39:41 Edited by: Catherine Altair on 09/08/2007 16:38:14 well there is nothing i could say but your right, if you consider 6 weeks to be a short amount of time then im inexperieced relative to 4 year-old 60M sp characters. But really to say that my knowledge in commerce and economics is entirely inapplicable to EvE is a big disclaim. to me, the only real knowledge one must know about EvE economy is mainly -how items are generated : loots, productions -how productions are performed : BPO from npc's, minerals mined -how items are removed : destruction -how isks are generated : insurance payout, bounty, npc commodity trading -how isks are removed : tax, insurance fees, skill books, npc items etc. the main economy in EvE involves ships, modules, BPO's, minerals really, im pretty sure i know how EvE economy work. i wont say im a leading expert, but i believe very strongly that i can work your investment to return 6% / week as i promise. if you want me to answer your questions please be specific about it about my credibility : well your right its rather hard to prove im not a scam. so if you have any mean for me to prove myself, please do so. and i still consider myself to be largely experienced. while i wont be able to tell you the dps of a ship from its modules and your sp in gunnery or tell you your perfect tanking setup for taking certain rats in your bs. i know all i need to know that is relevant to my venture. i learn very fast. i still have much to learn and what i am doing is also an integral part to my learning as an investor. thats why im going to university. im looking for people who would invest their knowledge as well, though i wont be able to pay you for any advice given :). edit: i only need 1bil. and the reason i max at 5bil is because i dont think theres enough commodity on the market to make a return of 6% per week on more than 5 bil investment. In your words comparing 6 weeks to 4 years doesn't really show economy student studies. You can go to Law School, and study the exact same course as someone who has been practicing law for 20 years. And I would be money in a show down the the 20 years of experience would make you look like a fool even though at the start you both studied the same things. Same for economy - With your mentality there is no difference between hiring a fresh from a Master of Business Degree as CEO, as someone who has been CEO for 30 years. This line right here is why I posted the above - edit: i only need 1bil. and the reason i max at 5bil is because i don't think theres enough commodity on the market to make a return of 6% per week on more than 5 bil investment. If you believe 5bil will get you 6% return per week because you'll have more commodity for sale vs 1bil you are not an economy student. In fact it's basic economics that whatever you're doing if you are planning a 6% return you're only going to get 6% no matter how much you start with. If you can get 6% return on 5bil you should be able to get a 6% return on 1bil. The only reason you ask for more is to secure a 6% return and use your capital to compensate for your losses. If you have 1bil used, that leaves 4bil left over to dividend which would give 14 weeks of buffer before you have to start using your sales. ---------------------------------- Send ISK to SencneS for good Kama!

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