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Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.17 21:05:00 - [91] Originally by: Love Ya Originally by: Brunswick2 Edited by: Brunswick2 on 17/08/2007 19:49:50 Edited by: Brunswick2 on 17/08/2007 19:40:57 So, let me get this right, every corp/alliance besides GODS sucks? NO for sure not !!! but Agony defnetly Well, so far, you guys have said: ooh shiney sucks TRI sucks Agony sucks Fire Mandrill sucks etc. So, who exactly do you guys have respect for?
Borasao Ex Coelis Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.17 21:22:00 - [92] I've been to Agony's Basics and Wolfpack classes and found them fun and useful. I recommend their classes to all our recruits and have even paid the class fees for some of our newest members before because I think they're that useful. I learned a few things but, at least as importantly, had a ton of fun doing it. Things we learned were useful later on as well.
Ecatherina W Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.08.17 23:19:00 - [93] Originally by: Love Ya Originally by: Rells Our students reccomendations on this thread are all we need. And how many may i dare ask is yours or your corp mates alts ? Was that the best you could come up with? "It has to be their alts!" Hilarious, when you have flown as many Agony classes as I have (10-15 I think) and heard so many different voices, so many different players seeing 0.0 and trying PVP for the first time. A bit scary that you cannot find a better argument for your case than "they must be alts". Come say that to me and my corpmates, who have completed Agony classes. Or just engage brain and close mouth. Kath *** Ecatherina W *** Empress of the Multiverse DGAF Newbie Guide to Everything Eve
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.17 23:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Brunswick2 Well, so far, you guys have said: ooh shiney sucks shiney = nbsi = vale alliance = xetic = lose hard to argue with that. Originally by: Brunswick2 TRI sucks Proof or stfu. I don't see anyone in this thread saying tri sucks. I've never heard any GODS members speak ill of tri. Originally by: Brunswick2 Agony sucks Personally I don't know them well enough to say anything bad about them. But from what it sounds like they are just another corp that sits their docked refusing to fight unless their is a 100% chance they will win the fight. If this is true than I hope our guys are smacking them. It's a bull** way to play the game. IMO people who play the game only to get good stats are *** ****. If all a corp does is sit their docked until they can massively outnumber their opponents then they are not a pvp corp at all. Ganking does not = pvp. Here's a tip for all you killboard stat *s. Want your corp to have a great long term kill/loss ratio? Then fight at absolutely every opportunity you get. If you have any chance at all to win even if you only have a 25% to win then take the fight . Short term you might take some big losses, however long term it will make very skilled + make the game more fun for all your members. Getting in a fight and losing is usually still more fun than not fighting at all. The more experience you get having real fights the better you will become. The way you become a good (and fun) pvp corp is not to be a raging * only engaging if you know you wont lose. It's to get absolutely as much experience as possible fighting. Originally by:** Brunswick2 Fire Mandrill sucks yep Originally by: Brunswick2 So, who exactly do you guys have respect for? For me personally Id say: DICE Burn eden tri razor () 4s corp ESA PANIC FREGE But that's just my own person opinion. GODS members think for themselves and often our opinions differ on that topic. So their is no consensus on that one. We don't tell our members what they can/can't say unless their is a specific reason for it. So if you do something a GODS member thinks is lame then chances are they'll let you know about it. Doesn't always mean the whole corp shares that opinion. ------>PҼſϚի<------
Christina Bamar Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.17 23:23:00 - [95] Originally by: Ecatherina W Originally by: Love Ya Originally by: Rells Our students reccomendations on this thread are all we need. And how many may i dare ask is yours or your corp mates alts ? Was that the best you could come up with? "It has to be their alts!" Hilarious, when you have flown as many Agony classes as I have (10-15 I think) and heard so many different voices, so many different players seeing 0.0 and trying PVP for the first time. A bit scary that you cannot find a better argument for your case than "they must be alts". Come say that to me and my corpmates, who have completed Agony classes. Or just engage brain and close mouth. Kath Sorry, posted with my alt... jk of course
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.17 23:57:00 - [96] Edited by: Brunswick2 on 17/08/2007 23:57:59 Edited by: Brunswick2 on 17/08/2007 23:57:31 Edited by: Brunswick2 on 17/08/2007 23:57:19 Originally by: pershphanie Well, so far, you guys have said: shiney = nbsi = vale alliance = xetic = lose Nah, shiney = Euphoria Released = pwn Quote: Proof or stfu. I don't see anyone in this thread saying tri sucks. I've never heard any GODS members speak ill of tri. Originally by: The Cursed (GODS member) Asfar as tri goes and there uber allaince who when needed to help take venal was no were to be found b/c they could not fight without there beloved xxAngelxx holding there hand the whole way. Quote: Personally I don't know them well enough to say anything bad about them. But from what it sounds like they are just another corp that sits their docked refusing to fight unless their is a 100% chance they will win the fight. From my experience in TRI, this is basically the opposite of what I've seen them do. I've seen them engage TRI gangs when the advantages were definitely in our favor, and they've done better than could be expected.
Ecatherina W Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.08.18 00:04:00 - [97] Edited by: Ecatherina W on 18/08/2007 00:04:18 Edited by: Ecatherina W on 18/08/2007 00:04:04 Originally by: Christina Bamar Sorry, posted with my alt... jk of course I wish, Bamar, I wish! *** Ecatherina W *** Empress of the Multiverse DGAF Newbie Guide to Everything Eve
The Cursed Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.18 00:38:00 - [98] Respect is a term thrown around in eve losely. I respect you and you and you and you. I personally have nothing against Rells or his corp. I've never said anything bad in local about them. If they dont want to fight owell. I've seen just about every corp i've run up agaisnt hide,dock or smack at some point in time including tri,bob,razor,iron,fla and d2 blaaa blaa so on.Fight and die like a man if you dont want to lose the ship dont fly it. Beer em Good!!!!!! Signature removed. Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions - Petwraith
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.18 12:53:00 - [99] Posting in a Tri thread. Seriously, Tri, get back in your holes, associated trolls ditto. ****, whatever, and gl Agony I respect what you do. --------------------------------------
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy	Posted - 2007.08.18 14:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Rells Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Rells By contrast I have seen a transformation in GODS from the days I flew with them in Forsaken Empire to become a smacktalking corp. lol? REGRETTABLY it is not a joke. I hear people saying things in local in x-7omu that would have at least earned them a stiff talking-to in the F-E gods. Its rather like finding out an old acquaintance you lost touch with has turned to drugs and crime. Bummed me out seriously because I used to have a lot of respect for you guys. Thats a lie for a start, Ive been living in X-7 since Gods moved there and i havent seen you in it once in the whole time Ive or GODS have been there..and Im on EVE ALOT!
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.18 16:36:00 - [101] Edited by: Sever Aldaria on 18/08/2007 16:40:09 Originally by: 3rdD Dave Thats a lie for a start, Ive been living in X-7 since Gods moved there and i havent seen you in it once in the whole time Ive or GODS have been there..and Im on EVE ALOT! Ironic you calling him a lier since both you and GODS members appear on one of Rells' loss mails in X-7. Back on topic, thanks for the endorsements everyone. Stay tuned for a new PVP-Skirmishing seminar as soon as I can get my lazy act together. [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further d
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy	Posted - 2007.08.18 17:13:00 - [102] Edited by: 3rdD Dave on 18/08/2007 17:19:41 Ohhh a whole one time since the weeks ive been here.
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.18 17:35:00 - [103] Originally by: Kyguard cool \o, Kyguard. How's life treating ya? Let us know if you ever want a change of pace. Take care man. [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further d
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.19 06:10:00 - [104] Originally by: 3rdD Dave Thats a lie for a start, Ive been living in X-7 since Gods moved there and i havent seen you in it once in the whole time Ive or GODS have been there..and Im on EVE ALOT! I know for a fact I've seen both you and Rells in local at the same time in x-70 at least twice since I moved out there. ------------------
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.08.19 11:31:00 - [105] Originally by: Evil Pookie What this thread needs is more kill to death ratios Nah...just more pixel-peen extenders "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
WETRAIN Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.19 11:34:00 - [106] Guess i`l be seeing you soon Agony Unleashed. To see what you are really made of.
Templer Relleg Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.19 11:40:00 - [107] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 19/08/2007 11:40:56 I fully endorse this service. Their PVP-Basic class was awesome. I learned alot Mods. Dont delete my post. Im just switching between 2 corps, so im NOT a NPC character damnit!
Jack Cannon STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.19 14:16:00 - [108] Originally by: Brunswick2 From my experience in TRI, this is basically the opposite of what I've seen them do. I've seen them engage TRI gangs when the advantages were definitely in our favor, and they've done better than could be expected. Outside of their home system with certain FC's this is a true statement. Agony's tactics depend entirely on who is the FC. I've seen them log 40 man fleets and run into dead end systems when they outnumbered their opponent. I've seen them avoid fights at all costs to keep their kill/death ratios shiny (cloaks on t1 frigs?). I've also seen some brilliant moves that if executed with your traditional 30m+ sp pvp players would absolutely own anyone out there. With their low sp players and their more rigid style of fighting I think they do a very good job with what they have, especially when roaming. I do not however think they fight in a way I approve of in their "home" system. Understand this is not a criticism of just agony. A lot of alliances have this mentality that you should mobilize only if a direct threat is on your doorstep and otherwise their members sit afk not paying attention to threats in local or surrounding systems. I think this has to do more with station design and overall game mechanics than it does a particular alliance or corp's style of PVP. The reality is that in station systems people bring out their cap ships. If you don't have capital superiority or a way to neutralize your enemy's cap superiority you will lose the fight every time. When I fought youwhat all they ever did was station hug and deploy carriers outside those massive caldari stations that make cap ships invulnerable. So they would bait or we would bait and they would deploy a cap ship and we would deploy a cap ship... more caps would undock... everyone would shoot at each other and redock... zzz after a while you just don't give a crap if there are reds docked up with you because they don't actually want to risk anything they just want to gank. To be fair, pure blind is a playground... like any npc region it's ripe with small gang pvp action. Agony know this and take full advantage of all the game mechanics there in. One thing I will say about agony and a reason to take their course or even just have some fun in their corp is that NO ONE in 0.0 avoids getting ganked like agony pilots. They fly safe and smart and require really unconventional tactics to catch at gate camps. This is why their K/D ratio is as nice as it is. They only lose ships in PVP. I personally don't consider losing ships in pvp to be a loss myself. The freedom to be who you want to be and play the game the way you want to varies from corp to corp... In my experience for new players freedom can do one of two things... you will either be able to explore your abilities in pvp without someone telling you that you are doing it wrong and flourish in that freedom or you will stagnate and never learn anything because you feel directionless. This has to do with the different ways people learn. Think of how many people(myself included) flunked out of high school only to go on to collage and after school become brilliant in their field. These people are out there and they are not the majority. I'd not learn much of anything from agony's particular style of teaching. For 90% of eve players out there... this is the class you should be looking into. It has nothing to do with anyone being a "better" pvper it's totally about the way you learn. There are a great majority of players that are in desperate need of at least an agony basic course. I won't comment about the agony/gods thing as anyone fighting station wars in npc systems for anything other than learning the game mechanics and or having a bit of harmless light hearted fun is wasting their time. Rell's moral superiority+Smack talk+forum=ehonor? I still don't know what ehonor is good for. Is that a faction laser crystal?
Sooshie Gallente Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:07:00 - [109] I partially agree with Jack Cannon. Agony is good if you like to be a passive fighter that is afraid of a good equal balanced fight. They will not fight if winning is questionable to my experience.. A territory holding alliance? Well they would die right away. A alliance with people that like to fly t1 destroyers and frigs? Guess thats for those people. Agony is great if your new to PVP and such I just dont see how peoples interests would maintain much beyond that level.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 03:13:00 - [110] AU was the best part about living in syndicate
Milena Rage The Aftermath Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.20 05:26:00 - [111] the stupid, it hurts.
Killa Bee Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 08:37:00 - [112] Riddle me this. Why do all these self-proclaimed "We are teh ****zle and the rest suxors" Alliances / Corps take so much time and effort to explain why Agony sucks so badly and that we are not worthy ?? Guess we are doing something good then judging on how much effort is put into this.
Grape Juice Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:33:00 - [113] Edited by: G***Juice on 20/08/2007 13:16:38 To be honest, I didn't learn much I didn't already know when I took PvP Basic. The whole class was more or less a review for me. (Like, I know what a Remote Sensor Dampener does already. I know the importance of transversal vs. turret ships. Etc.) But then again, that's why it's called PvP BASIC. However, there were a few times during the class where I said, "ORLY? I didn't know that!" but those were few and far between (I think maybe 2). Granted, I had been playing Eve for over a year at that point. Wolfpacks, on the other hand, was an eye-opener. Most people, myself included, had discounted the destroyers in Eve as usless metal coffins in respect to their PvP capabilities. Wolfpacks showed me otherwise, and looking back on my time thusfar in Agony, around 80% of my kills are in a destroyer. I love them that much, and rarely fly anything else. In response to the "all you do is dock/run!" comments, and to no one person/organization in particular: We engage in battles we feel we will win. We could lose every single one of our T1 frigs/destroyers in a 20-man gang, but if we've killed a HAC or a battleship, we chalk it as a win. Why? Because we traded 20 x 1mil in ships+mods for your 150mil ship+mods. Sure, sometimes we have greater numbers, but depending on the makeup of our respective fleets, we may decide that the risk outweighs the reward, or we might simply have another objective we are trying to accomplish, and engaging you would either delay or prevent that. In regards to not undocking... we do, when we've put our forces together and get some kind of plan to escape your multiple BS/Carrier/HAC gang camping. (Camping in one or two afk pilots doesn't count.) It's a seldom occurance to catch us when we don't want to be caught, especially outside our 'home' station. I'm sorry that I can't empathize with your lack of patience to be disappointed when you manage to kill little or nothing. In any case, crying about why Agony doesn't engage you on your terms to suicide the entire gang is understandable. Funny, but understandable. :)
Rocinantae Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:53:00 - [114] Originally by: Sooshie I partially agree with Jack Cannon. Agony is good if you like to be a passive fighter that is afraid of a good equal balanced fight. They will not fight if winning is questionable to my experience.. A territory holding alliance? Well they would die right away. A alliance with people that like to fly t1 destroyers and frigs? Guess thats for those people. Agony is great if your new to PVP and such I just dont see how peoples interests would maintain much beyond that level. Passive you say? The last alliance/corp I was in I did more pos crap than anything and I only saw the tiny corner of the galaxy we were located in. All of you saying we dont engage are only thinking from your own perspective which is what we find funny. Ive been to muliple regions on far flung field trips since joining Agony. I get constant pvp action also. And weve certainly flew into many gangs that we dont have the numbers to take on but we do it anyway. If were not engaging you maybe its because we think that fighting "the same old way", is boring. And maybe we dont want to give smack talking a-holes the satisfaction. We'd rather go roaming around in gangs than fighting over npc stations. Personally I dont see how someone could maintain interest maintaining poses and holding territory and dealing with all the politics. Agony doesnt have or want territory and is purposely red to everyone. And as you can read we have alot of people that want to kill us. To me thats exciting.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:39:00 - [115] Originally by: Rocinantae Originally by: Sooshie I partially agree with Jack Cannon. Agony is good if you like to be a passive fighter that is afraid of a good equal balanced fight. They will not fight if winning is questionable to my experience.. A territory holding alliance? Well they would die right away. A alliance with people that like to fly t1 destroyers and frigs? Guess thats for those people. Agony is great if your new to PVP and such I just dont see how peoples interests would maintain much beyond that level. Passive you say? The last alliance/corp I was in I did more pos crap than anything and I only saw the tiny corner of the galaxy we were located in. All of you saying we dont engage are only thinking from your own perspective which is what we find funny. Ive been to muliple regions on far flung field trips since joining Agony. I get constant pvp action also. And weve certainly flew into many gangs that we dont have the numbers to take on but we do it anyway. If were not engaging you maybe its because we think that fighting "the same old way", is boring. And maybe we dont want to give smack talking a-holes the satisfaction. We'd rather go roaming around in gangs than fighting over npc stations. Personally I dont see how someone could maintain interest maintaining poses and holding territory and dealing with all the politics. Agony doesnt have or want territory and is purposely red to everyone. And as you can read we have alot of people that want to kill us. To me thats exciting. Well said my friend. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Shrinal Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.08.21 15:51:00 - [116] Originally by: Alias11 AU was the best part about living in syndicate We miss fighting you guys. Smack free is the way to go. Other than that one unfortunate day where your fleet warped home one at a time and never bothered to tell each other that we had a bubble on the gate, we had some great fights.
Lord Ragnet	Posted - 2007.09.04 15:25:00 - [117] well i would just like to say agony did very well in the 4th tournament lmao enough said

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