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DJ Primary	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:42:00 - [331] Edited by: DJ Primary on 31/08/2007 11:42:39
Promithius Amarr Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:43:00 - [332] Originally by: Lowa Not be too much of an idiot but seriously, what are you doing stacking 700+ppl into one system? We ALL know that aint going to work and its not going to be any fun for anyone. Almost anyway. While I agree that CCP does have some issues 700 people fights have NEVER worked! Someone said that it was managable after reboot with 400 and that I can understand since that has worked several before under good circumstances. But 700...in your dreams! And I'm not talking to any particular side here, those already in the system cant really do much about whats coming but jees guys, come to an arrangement or something. I do hope we will be able to have 700 people battles, thats just so insaine I must do it before I leave this game (tbh I want to do a 1000 man battle for like 5 hours straight or something). Anyway, not sure what to do, spreading the figths over several systems could work but then again that puzzle has to really come together by luck for everyone to be at the right place at the right time with roughly equal forces and that all figths start at the same time so no one can be reinforced... Bah, just give me the fraps already! Cheers, Lowa was not intentional , when you homes are under attack you pull out everyone to defend , we were sitting happy untill the others jumped in..... Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:47:00 - [333] Originally by: Lowa Not be too much of an idiot but seriously, what are you doing stacking 700+ppl into one system? We ALL know that aint going to work and its not going to be any fun for anyone. Almost anyway. While I agree that CCP does have some issues 700 people fights have NEVER worked! Someone said that it was managable after reboot with 400 and that I can understand since that has worked several before under good circumstances. But 700...in your dreams! And I'm not talking to any particular side here, those already in the system cant really do much about whats coming but jees guys, come to an arrangement or something. I do hope we will be able to have 700 people battles, thats just so insaine I must do it before I leave this game (tbh I want to do a 1000 man battle for like 5 hours straight or something). Anyway, not sure what to do, spreading the figths over several systems could work but then again that puzzle has to really come together by luck for everyone to be at the right place at the right time with roughly equal forces and that all figths start at the same time so no one can be reinforced... Bah, just give me the fraps already! Cheers, Lowa I pretty much agree in your points what you forget is that everyone has a lot of friends/naps and so its quiet hard to tell ppl to not come when your are not sure that your are winning anyway - when alliances would try to nap less and fight more there wouldnt be threads of 12 pages whining. But i think its quiet amusing that everytime such a "battle" with 500ppl+ is about to "happen" that there are still ppl that are beliving that this will go smooth and without any lag. I dont think anything gets reimbursed cause "battles" like that have happend before and nothing got reimbursed.
Gharthak Gallente Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:47:00 - [334] Originally by: xBlood I can only hope they will. Mpire/fatal/cow got extremely unlucky today. Node crashed with their capitals on the gate. When logging back in, only a small portion of their fleet was able to get back in. Thus their capitals were relatively defenseless. CCP is at fault here. Unlucky to mpire/fatal/cow, but we all know this is a small loss for you I managed to fraps the entire fight after the node crash, and so when a movie is published with it in, you will see how one sided the fight was. Now: Let's keep this smack free and civil. Well I havnt read all the pages to this thread yet but I kind of disagree here blood. Yeah it sucks people lost capitals and all but its their own faults for logging capital ships into a situation where they knew it could be hostile and they had not secured the gates at all. Lag/Desync = CCP's fault.. Logging in capitals with no eyes/security at gate.. Pilot stupidity.
Gods Coldblood Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:49:00 - [335] Edited by: Gods Coldblood on 31/08/2007 11:49:36 Originally by: Lowa Not be too much of an idiot but seriously, what are you doing stacking 700+ppl into one system? We ALL know that aint going to work and its not going to be any fun for anyone. Almost anyway. While I agree that CCP does have some issues 700 people fights have NEVER worked! Someone said that it was managable after reboot with 400 and that I can understand since that has worked several before under good circumstances. But 700...in your dreams! And I'm not talking to any particular side here, those already in the system cant really do much about whats coming but jees guys, come to an arrangement or something. I do hope we will be able to have 700 people battles, thats just so insaine I must do it before I leave this game (tbh I want to do a 1000 man battle for like 5 hours straight or something). Anyway, not sure what to do, spreading the figths over several systems could work but then again that puzzle has to really come together by luck for everyone to be at the right place at the right time with roughly equal forces and that all figths start at the same time so no one can be reinforced... Bah, just give me the fraps already! Cheers, Lowa While i do agree with what ur saying.. When the mission objective is set and the opposition has fielded 250+ man power fleet, what is there left for us too do when we cant cyno in a cap fleet and spliting are fleet up would have been suicide... I cant see any realistic idea CCP can come up with to stop theses fights... Its the way eve wants to go... I prey for the day technology lets have the fights we are all dying for :p I fear any more ideas CCP come up with to counter the mass blobs will only break this game even further
Gharthak Gallente Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:56:00 - [336] Originally by: Jags Last night was a total cluster****. I understand why TRI joined in and respect them for the size of fleet they brought (110 bs at one stage i think ) Still for the life of me I dont understand why both enemy fleets jumped into BKG at the same time , you mustve known the only outcome was the lagtastic thing we all had to endure last night. Our FC's attempted to avoid the mass jump-in lag and give the node time to sort all of this out by jumping us in group by group of which we had several. Apparently a small group at a time was simply too much.
Director Stoned Band of Developers	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:56:00 - [337] this thread can be summed up by: COW whines: 186 Fatal whines: 42 Fallen whines: 26
Mizerik	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:06:00 - [338] Capt Irr ~ Hey Mate, thanks for telling me at least where I died :P last I saw I was at a PoS, logged into a spot somewhere around planet X then pod. Should have never been near the station unless CCP moved me from my "stuck in space" petition.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:07:00 - [339] Originally by: Gharthak P.S. Good job to all involved both friend and foe. Hats off to M.Pire for having the courage to risk a considerable capital force. Everyone did themselves proud even if things were a bit desynced. Thank m8 good job to you guys as well Can we just pick a non station system and fight over that next time
Saul Reaver UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:17:00 - [340] Edited by: Saul Reaver on 31/08/2007 12:23:16 Edited by: Saul Reaver on 31/08/2007 12:22:48 Absolutely unplayable. I was there from start to finish (if you want too call it that) Staring at a black screen for well over an hour is not what i pay for. I hope all petitions are honoured on BOTH sides. Completely unfair for both sides. Thats all i have too say on the subject. Saul. Also respect to you enemies for "bringing it". If the node didnt crash we would of had some great fun.

Solasta Kovacs FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:18:00 - [341] Edited by: Solasta Kovacs on 31/08/2007 12:19:25 Gah quote has gone mad.... To the fellow who was saying that the problem was the fault of the defending forces for logging capitals back on at an unsecure gate..... I can understand where you;re coming from. The point was though that it was assumed that all people logging on were facing the same problem- we had the numbers at the gate before the node went down and if we just refrained from logging back in after the node was taken down, we essentially were giving up the fight. Had similar numbers managed to log in from each sides, the fight would have built back up nicely as folk logged on. The problem was that our caps logged on and found themselves faced by a large hostile gang with grid already loaded and seemingly playable lag, whilst most of the support was still staring at black screens. 'Tis life in 0.0 battles- one day it goes our way, the next another way. Incidentally, I think we should all leave any tinfoil hattery to the goons and get back to the fight asap....
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:21:00 - [342] Originally by: putukas anybody blue or even remotely blue with RAGOONS are red for us it's very old issue. We have chosen our side, this does'nt make us anyones pet. If anyone in our current blue list will turn ragoons blue they will be red for us. So if we set you blue will you kill yourself? Glad to know we control your game.
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:23:00 - [343] Originally by: Velios Originally by: KIATolon God, bob pets claiming people are jumping in to crash the node, AGAIN. First Goons, now the north. Can you see the one constant in your constant beatings. You. If you dont want people to have to assemble a 500 man fleet, dont put multiple carriers, bubbles, ms's on a gate. Simple. Listen to the lame smack from the totally unrelated to the events goon member, it's really not called for. We are actually holding our own here SUAS, after the lag has cleared we have given good account of ourselves and given just as much as we have received. And as for this "BoB pets" that people find it so easy to label us as... M.PIRE currently have no dealings with BoB, infact we are not even sure of their standings towards us - the only thing we have in common is our passion for fighting you, and anyone that allies themselves with the alliance you are in. Remember SUAS you used to be on my side once, but you found it more convenient to switch sides when you couldn't handle it. I remember being sat next to you in Cache in battleships shooting RA POS's - quite a turn-around for you huh. Would "failed alliances" be a better term instead of BoB pets?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:23:00 - [344] Originally by: Director Stoned this thread can be summed up by: COW whines: 186 CoW whines the most tbh .. they are domestic cattle anyway and cannot even claim Geminate, lol! I was sworn absolute love by Pepperami
Gharthak Gallente Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:34:00 - [345] Originally by: Solasta Kovacs Edited by: Solasta Kovacs on 31/08/2007 12:19:25 Gah quote has gone mad.... To the fellow who was saying that the problem was the fault of the defending forces for logging capitals back on at an unsecure gate..... I can understand where you;re coming from. The point was though that it was assumed that all people logging on were facing the same problem- we had the numbers at the gate before the node went down and if we just refrained from logging back in after the node was taken down, we essentially were giving up the fight. Had similar numbers managed to log in from each sides, the fight would have built back up nicely as folk logged on. The problem was that our caps logged on and found themselves faced by a large hostile gang with grid already loaded and seemingly playable lag, whilst most of the support was still staring at black screens. 'Tis life in 0.0 battles- one day it goes our way, the next another way. Incidentally, I think we should all leave any tinfoil hattery to the goons and get back to the fight asap.... Yeah but that presumption will get a capital fleet killed. Unfortunatly until we see systems with like 12 core processors and huge amounts of solid state memory then processing that many request will simply desync almost all high-end servers. That is a lot of data to process and feed back to people.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:36:00 - [346] Originally by: Neena Valdi Its pretty simple. They jumped to crash the node while the reinforcement is waiting to jump in when the node is back up. Those who jumping in have a priority over those who are trying to log back in. Lame exploiting of game mechanics, if you ask me. But whatever... they won't get BKG. Its all pointless. I don't think anyone else really thinks that was anyones intention. Especially since the node didn't crash, it was reset by CCP. A-WAR might be Recruiting!
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:37:00 - [347] Originally by: Saul Reaver Edited by: Saul Reaver on 31/08/2007 12:22:48 Absolutely unplayable. I was there from start to finish (if you want too call it that) Staring at a black screen for well over an hour is not what i pay for. I hope all petitions are honoured on BOTH sides. Completely unfair for both sides. Thats all i have too say on the subject. Saul. I've been in bigger battles than this or F-T anyway. I jumped in there, after one hour i filed a stuck petition. One hour went by without my stuck petition and then i was killed. Black screen all the way. GL with your petitions, I wish you would be succesfull with them but then again I also wish CCP would be consistent in their petition responses, we wouldn't want them biased now would we? :)
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:48:00 - [348] Originally by: Jags Originally by: Neena Valdi Its pretty simple. They jumped to crash the node while the reinforcement is waiting to jump in when the node is back up. Those who jumping in have a priority over those who are trying to log back in. Lame exploiting of game mechanics, if you ask me. But whatever... they won't get BKG. Its all pointless. No dont agree with that at all. They did what they felt they had to do to get into system. I think it was a feckin bonkers call but thats theirs to make. If the server had held it wouldve been a turkey shoot for us on the TRI gang as we had multiple carriers on the gate and drones going radge left right and centre At lest we got a resemblance of a fleet back on and managed to take down a lot of enemy BS later on in the night unlike our previous dealings with CCP initiated node moves. Next few days will be interesting to say the least lets just pray to the lag Gods to leave us alone for a while It was a turkeyshoot for RZR because you deployed all your drones/fighters and crashed the node on yourself.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:48:00 - [349] Originally by: Darknesss You guys are the ones that blob, on many occassions you put 200+ in a system Seriously, what? RZR brought 15 alliances and 400 people to try and take V7 from cow, hoping that m/fatal wouldn't get involved. You don't think that's blobbing, what about the 300 that attacked BKG when there was no m/fatal here? What about the 400 that sit is s-e when we attacked? Look, you've picked your side as razor again, there's no need to pretend razor are in the slightest bit hard done by up here, they just call everyone to fight their battles. A-WAR might be Recruiting!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:55:00 - [350] Originally by: NO BRAKES Would "failed alliances" be a better term instead of BoB pets? I love it, when exclamation marks talk about stuff like that.

KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:55:00 - [351] Originally by: Velios Listen to the lame smack from the totally unrelated to the events goon member, it's really not called for. We are actually holding our own here SUAS, after the lag has cleared we have given good account of ourselves and given just as much as we have received. And as for this "BoB pets" that people find it so easy to label us as... M.PIRE currently have no dealings with BoB, infact we are not even sure of their standings towards us - the only thing we have in common is our passion for fighting you, and anyone that allies themselves with the alliance you are in. Remember SUAS you used to be on my side once, but you found it more convenient to switch sides when you couldn't handle it. I remember being sat next to you in Cache in battleships shooting RA POS's - quite a turn-around for you huh. How many titans did you tell LV members you guys had in reserve? 3? Actually I "switched" sides when your alliance came up to syndicate and started shooting me.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.31 12:56:00 - [352] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: NO BRAKES Would "failed alliances" be a better term instead of BoB pets? I love it, when exclamation marks talk about stuff like that. ! = exclamation mark
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:01:00 - [353] Edited by: Plutoinum on 31/08/2007 13:03:52 nevermind, misunderstood you. Yes, '!' is exactely what I meant. Look at his portrait.
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:08:00 - [354] Originally by: Neena Valdi Originally by: Jags Last night was a total cluster****. I understand why TRI joined in and respect them for the size of fleet they brought (110 bs at one stage i think ) Still for the life of me I dont understand why both enemy fleets jumped into BKG at the same time , you mustve known the only outcome was the lagtastic thing we all had to endure last night. Its pretty simple. They jumped to crash the node while the reinforcement is waiting to jump in when the node is back up. Those who jumping in have a priority over those who are trying to log back in. Lame exploiting of game mechanics, if you ask me. But whatever... they won't get BKG. Its all pointless. If you really believe that, then quite frankly, well, other people have said it. As darknesss said, we came for a fight, we are going to get one. How hard is that to understand? We don't form up 200+ people just to run away again. We told EVERYONE to jump in, every last person. We had no idea the node would crash, we expected there to be lag/desynch and everything else, but do not accuse us on exploiting the game mechanics. Do not count your chickens with BKG. Sure, noone knows how it will go for anyone, but don't smack before it's obvious.
Dominixa Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:31:00 - [355] Is triumvirate going to be claiming sov here? YouWhat playing any role in the conflict?
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:39:00 - [356] Youwhat aren't involved in this war. As for TRI's situation in this war, well, I have no clue
icmp Caldari Screaming Fist	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:47:00 - [357] Yeah, the node crashed, but who really wants to fight with their spaceships in our spaceship fighting game anyway. We'd rather walk around in stations amirite? Originally by: Maimonides Einotar screaming fist more like screaming devs
Armois Delgato FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:50:00 - [358] Aww Suas, you know as well as I do that the shotty shot in Syndicate was all in good fun.
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.31 13:59:00 - [359] Originally by: Armois Delgato Aww Suas, you know as well as I do that the shotty shot in Syndicate was all in good fun. Taking your stations and dismantling your alliance was fun as well.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.31 14:04:00 - [360] hey w0rmy. I apologise for my early comment, your right both sides do blob. If there was a large war that TRI could get alone we would take it but the only enemies up here to fight have strong relations with other powers. Simple fact is, even though we can get 170 in a gang, We know that COW/FATAL/MPIRE/F-S can get 300. We arent doing this for fear of losing our space, we would relish the challenge. We are a war making alliance, unless someone brings a war to us we will bring it to them, stagnating would destroy us. Lowa, i think asked why we brought 700 to a system. We were backing up RzR/MM who had attacked BKG. If all the defenders have to do is bring 300+ to a system and crash the node to defend it then that would make them near invincible. The servers cant handle it, and i was expecting a massive list of problems to occur, but its either u jump in and go for it or you turn around and go home. Respect to M.Pire FATAL etc. i really do hope TRI can get some good large semi lag free fights with you guys. Dark



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