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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.03 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: The Socialworker
just what i was going to post evil synns. Down on your blocks - marks... set ... -stop- you loose , and then you spit in the dirrection of the referee, understandable in my book. The Oxford v Cambridge boat race has run 152 times. Referees mess up sometimes, but they let the best team win out in the end after restarts. (I have no alliance affilitation here)
There are false starts in athletics all the time. Usually, in most events, the race will be restarted. If the offender re-offends and commits another false start, they are disqualified. If the offender kicks the referee in the face, he is likely to be arrested and banned from the sport indefinitely.
In this Tourney, it appears that moving before the signal results in a small points penalty. Destroying enemy ships before the signal (which is what HI did) results in a match forfeit (according the GM Nova). Ganking Eve TV staff, being uncooperative, and generally causing hassle for the GMs seems to result in a complete disqualification.
That sounds most fair to me. The official line is that if they'd just gone "Oh dear, that wasn't the start? Sorry..." they would have just forfeited the match and been able to continue to play the rest of their group (and in theory they could still have scored enough points to go through to the next round).
It was them who made the initial mistake, and them that made matters worse. They've got no-one to blame but themselves.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2007.09.03 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: jeffb
What the **** are you talking about? The guy is supposed to ignore the countdown in local from the GM running the event and triple check with his team, the other team and who knows else? If the GM wasn't ready to start a 10 second countdown, he shouldn't have started a 10 second countdown.
Noone told him it was their countdown, infact it wasnt there countdown either. So 1 guy only assumed that it was his countdown. The Countdown was for the stale game in another arena. Read up before you make assumptions and throw around wild scenarios. The only thing a gm could have prevented was that he could have said in local "watch out arena x vs y this is your countdown".
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How are you even trying to compare an internet spaceship camera to a real life soccer rule? Its hilarious that they blew it up, maybe you should go ride a bike or something. People can cry about it or they can just spawn another one and move along in probably less time than it took to pop.
Violating the eula? Give me a break.
Well why cant i compare a poker game to internet spaceships, or a soccer game ? Both are hobbies and freetime games for many ppl. Both take alot to setup same as all the "e-sport" events. Ever seen how popular they are in asia ? Rules are there in both "games" and if broken a referee will make a judgement call. By joining the tourney you accept that beforehand.
As for violating the eula, maybe you should read up on the stuff you clicked ok ok ok on. Harassing / griefing volunteers, other players and gm staff during an event can get you tempbanned and excluded from events pretty quick.
Especially if its a high profile and public thing like evetv i would guess.
As far as the other guy is concerned who rambles on about different punishments for different alliances. How did Interrepid and Goons get different punishment. Both got 0 points out of it. Interepid even got -50 because it went unnoticed (they lost anyways). However it wont change anything in their groupranking.
So the only case u might debate here is the fight of MC vs Nebula Rasa, where MC got one of their ravens killed because the GM mixed up the lock on the returning maulus. Trading a frig for a bs hardly makes it unfair to anyone but MC who won in the end. But like in sports sometimes the wrong guy gets the yellow or red card. Hindsight is always 20/20.
So far the ruling was pretty easy to understand. More points = DQ, Moving ship = -10 per ship, Shooting before the go = DQ, killing an evetv ship = ban from tourney. Disconnecting = heal 0
If they stick to those rules till the end it looks like a good game and pretty easy to understand too !
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Owi
Es and Whizz
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.09.03 19:22:00 -
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Just one more point to think about ..
Why the cammera was targeteable ?
What if someone who fights in this tournament have autotarget on and gets cammeratargeted by it and in the fire of the fight he kills the camera by misstake ?
TO much GM faults and few alliances had to pay with dq or penalties ...
im out here.. GL every left Alliances in this Tourney !
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.09.03 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Owi
Just one more point to think about ..
Why the cammera was targeteable ?
What if someone who fights in this tournament have autotarget on and gets cammeratargeted by it and in the fire of the fight he kills the camera by misstake ?
TO much GM faults and few alliances had to pay with dq or penalties ...
im out here.. GL every left Alliances in this Tourney !
Camera was targetable because we had a bluescreen and a race to catch back up. We forgot to tell the GM's to use their voodoo magic on us and make us untargetable again. That part was most certainly not the GM's fault.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: jeffb
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Edited by: Kcel Chim on 03/09/2007 15:34:25This 1 pilot, albeit unsure of the situation as he was and knowing the rules beforehand, thought that getting a first shot in was more important then checking back or wasting 1 second despite having 3 fastlock mods fitted ?
With the huge amount of damps in the matches so far, its pretty fair to say that whoever gets locks/damps first has a huge advantage. When the people running the event aren't clear about what is going on, this is the kind of stuff that happens.
Killing the camera ship is a non-issue, they can respawn it with little effort at all.
Cant get much clearer then STOP in local. Normally things start with GO so ya thats a real hard one to get mixed up on. Id imagine FC calling the targets would also be a clear indication to start locking. If it was nerves or a lack of discipline it doesnt much matter as rules are rules. Blowing up the camara guy was a smack in the face and totally uncalled for.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.03 23:33:00 -
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RogueWing your sig is hilarious.
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RogueWing
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.04 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate
RogueWing your sig is hilarious.
Thank you.
But I didn't make it. A pilot from You What is the creator....I just stole it from him. :)
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Kirenna Zhon
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Posted - 2007.09.04 01:57:00 -
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I don't think many people are arguing that killing the cameraman was called for. I personally don't think it is either. But the fact remains that in a matter of seconds he could have another ship, be in it, and immune to locking again. And what if it happened to be a case of them locking one of HI's pilots, who was already upset, and now had autolock going? Not saying it was right, but I can see how someone with less aggression control would see this as an opportunity to lash out; it's called a crime of opportunity. Not right, but can be reasoned as to why.
And too many people are reasoning the false start too much in 20/20 view. Imagine you're in the pilot's chair, and the GM says "5 minutes left" 5 minutes before your match is starting. Then imagine that you have no idea that there's another match going on in the system. Then imagine that someone actually queries the GMs as to the meaning of the statement, even though you don't know what they're talking about yet. In fact, when I first read the transcript, it appeared to be nothing but smack. "is that until match start for us or match end for them?" can easily be seen as "This is going to be so easy that we'll win when the countdown ends." Take a step back and read it again with that in mind.
Finally, imagine you're in that seat again, and the countdown is down to 5 seconds. 4 seconds. 3 seconds. 2 seconds. 1 second. You prep your modules now and hover your mouse over "lock". At 0 seconds left, you've anticipated the engage command, whether it be "GO" or "FIRE" or "BEGIN", and your finger instinctively clicks it. There's no going back now. But at click 0, there's no command yet. You begin to sweat. At click -1, your lock is complete, your cruise missiles are en route to your target; and your stomach sinks as you read "STOP!" The damage is done, and now the GMs are breathing down on you.
The tension is building as the ruling is being decided. Now imagine you've just been told that instead of restarting the match with a fresh ship for the victim and/or losing points, your team has been removed from the match. Now imagine someone locks you, and your ship autolocks back. You're upset, and rightfully so, but you're not thinking straight because of this ordeal that just happened to you; You fire. There's shock among all who are watching; time stands still. In a matter of a few volleys, the cameraman is in a pod, and the GMs are swiftly passing further judgement that you're not fit for tournament play.
Now imagine you're reading the forums and there's people passing more hastily passed judgement on you without considering the situation. You're even more upset; rightfully so. HI's been given the short end of the stick, and I want you to at least see another point of view from someone who really isn't affected by the situation. I merely am able to see a point of view that many are ignoring and feel the responsibility to pass it on.
All parties should remember to never ignore another point of view, lest you be labeled blind.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.09.04 02:27:00 -
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Everything has been said and what is done is done, so is this thread.
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