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HaulandHaul
Gallente Caldari Deep Space Ventures Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:08:00 -
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chribba for president! euhm, i mean, mining capital. *snip* Modifying another player's signature graphic to insult them is trolling. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) |
Silver Night
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 05/09/2007 19:51:33
In what way is giving him a unique statue or ship or something less favoritism than giving him a ship everyone has access to simply in a place that not everyone can get it?
While generalities about favoritism being bad, slippery slopes etc are all well and good, this is a single specific case. It is unlikely to the point of impossibility that someone else will contribute as much of their time and money as Chribba has to this community. And with such renown and success.
Additionally, he is acknowledged as one of the single most neutral parties in the game. So aside form favoritism attached specifically to him, what tin foil hattery? He isn't in an alliance, or even a corp with more than one person. It favors no party with a real or unbalancing advantage. A single Rorqual isn't going to do anything at all to the economy really. And if it did, they could simply ask him to stop using it. Its not like they are giving it to him in secret. If they do give it to him, it would likely be public, and in the form of a reward for services rendered to the community.
Finally, Chribba essentially pays out of his own pocket and gives up his own time to do things that a) someone at CCP should be getting paid to do(ie eve-search. lets face it, its older than and vastly superior to the built in search engine), or that in an ideal world CCP would do themselves (Eve-files, nuff said). So, instead of paying him tens of thousands of dollars (or Pounds, or Euros or whatever) a year as a CCP employee, they can simply grant one small request of his that, despite the nay sayers, would have no dire effect on the game.
The problem with the favoritism argument is that it assumes there are others anything like Chribba who would be missing out, just because CCP likes him more. Chribba is unique. Therefore, it isn't favoritism at all. If there were more people like Chribba, they would deserve Rorquals too.
Abstract ideals aside, the reality is that Chribba may be both the most valuable and most valued member of the community. Including any one of the Devs. Barring maybe Eris . A Rorqual is less than he deserves, but its all he asks for. Denying it to him is the worst kind of ungratefulness. And that applys to people who use his services and then say he doesn't deserve it. You are literally spending his money and time, and you have the gall to deny him such a truly small thing.
Edit: And just to spit in the face of those who would call it spam,
/signed.
It isn't spam, it is an indication of support for a pillar of our little community. And also distills my wall of text for those who aren't so hot on reading long posts on page ten --------------
Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.09.05 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/09/2007 19:55:09
Originally by: Silver Night All the right stuff.
This is correct.
Oh, by the way, when you want something to be done through a secure third party (and which involves tons of ISK), who is the secure third party? Chribba, right?
Make a RP event to escort his Rorqual through 0.0 sec, I guarantee it would be the largest, most node-crashing fleet fight in EvE so far. Also very one-sided
Anyway, /signed.
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske The second you start equating time spent playing a game with lost time and money is the second you need to ask yourself "Why am I playing?". Seriously |
Silver Night
Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/09/2007 19:55:09
Originally by: Silver Night All the right stuff.
This is correct.
Oh, by the way, when you want something to be done through a secure third party (and which involves tons of ISK), who is the secure third party? Chribba, right?
Make a RP event to escort his Rorqual through 0.0 sec, I guarantee it would be the largest, most node-crashing fleet fight in EvE so far. Also very one-sided
Anyway, /signed.
I second this. Let the community decide democratically if it is favoritism. The thing about being the biggest carebear in Eve is, I bet that some of the nastiest pirates and 0.0 PvPers would fight for the chance to eviscerate anyone firing on him. And of course the dirtiest forum *****s. Cause where would they be without Eve search? --------------
Director. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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THEGREAT LOBO
Trouble Every Day
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/09/2007 19:55:09
Originally by: Silver Night All the right stuff.
This is correct.
Oh, by the way, when you want something to be done through a secure third party (and which involves tons of ISK), who is the secure third party? Chribba, right?
Make a RP event to escort his Rorqual through 0.0 sec, I guarantee it would be the largest, most node-crashing fleet fight in EvE so far. Also very one-sided
Anyway, /signed.
I would love to be at an event like that. Defend Chribba's Rorqual from 0.0 to empire(only the low sec part, im a blinky red) from other people.. would be a lot of fun ---------------------------------------------
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Laura Steel
Minmatar Independent Interspace Industiers Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:28:00 -
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Who the hell would attack it? ----
Darn exclamation mark! I have brown hair, green eyes and a nice tan :) |
THEGREAT LOBO
Trouble Every Day
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:30:00 -
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I think the devs should have a go, since there the ones that don't want him to have it :P ---------------------------------------------
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DaMiGe
Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:37:00 -
[278]
Chribba deserves a Faction Rorqual called the Chribbanator!
Chribba for president ---> My vids <--- latest movie = DaMiGe Control 2 |
Jinx Denton
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:55:00 -
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I vote Chribba be awarded for his contributions to the community and the game. Be it a rorqual, a statue or some infinitely large rock of dense veldspar in Amarr.
At any rate I wish to see some official thanks from CCP for what this man has done for their game.
Going to the fanfest? Check my Fanfest Guide |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.09.05 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Denton At any rate I wish to see some official thanks from CCP for what this man has done for their game.
Like when he recieved the EON award and almost all CCP staff came to congratulate him?
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Jinx Denton At any rate I wish to see some official thanks from CCP for what this man has done for their game.
Like when he recieved the EON award and almost all CCP staff came to congratulate him?
The EON awards were crap, and everyone knows that. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.09.06 00:55:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Silver Night
In what way is giving him a unique statue or ship or something less favoritism than giving him a ship everyone has access to simply in a place that not everyone can get it?
While generalities about favoritism being bad, slippery slopes etc are all well and good, this is a single specific case. It is unlikely to the point of impossibility that someone else will contribute as much of their time and money as Chribba has to this community. And with such renown and success.
Additionally, he is acknowledged as one of the single most neutral parties in the game. So aside form favoritism attached specifically to him, what tin foil hattery? He isn't in an alliance, or even a corp with more than one person. It favors no party with a real or unbalancing advantage. A single Rorqual isn't going to do anything at all to the economy really. And if it did, they could simply ask him to stop using it. Its not like they are giving it to him in secret. If they do give it to him, it would likely be public, and in the form of a reward for services rendered to the community.
Finally, Chribba essentially pays out of his own pocket and gives up his own time to do things that a) someone at CCP should be getting paid to do(ie eve-search. lets face it, its older than and vastly superior to the built in search engine), or that in an ideal world CCP would do themselves (Eve-files, nuff said). So, instead of paying him tens of thousands of dollars (or Pounds, or Euros or whatever) a year as a CCP employee, they can simply grant one small request of his that, despite the nay sayers, would have no dire effect on the game.
The problem with the favoritism argument is that it assumes there are others anything like Chribba who would be missing out, just because CCP likes him more. Chribba is unique. Therefore, it isn't favoritism at all. If there were more people like Chribba, they would deserve Rorquals too.
Abstract ideals aside, the reality is that Chribba may be both the most valuable and most valued member of the community. Including any one of the Devs. Barring maybe Eris . A Rorqual is less than he deserves, but its all he asks for. Denying it to him is the worst kind of ungratefulness. And that applys to people who use his services and then say he doesn't deserve it. You are literally spending his money and time, and you have the gall to deny him such a truly small thing.
I agree wholeheartedly. CCP, give Chribba his toy, he does allot for the community as a whole, and deserves his Veldmobile as a small reward. Make it a Chribba Issue Rorwhatever it is, and code it so it can only mine Veldspar.
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Scott Ryder
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Posted - 2007.09.06 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Daaxe
Why exactly does chribba deserve it??
What has he done for us????
Evesearch? Evefiles? What would eve be without evesearch and evefiles? :o Where would you host the Curzon dax songs? Where would you host your avatars and most importantly where would you host and preserve the pictures taken during battles wich are worth mentioning? He is one of the very very few people that is trusted by the entire comunety and is often chosen as a third party for ms sales and stuff like that.
Pardon my english but please think before posting.
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Ket Halpak
Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ket Halpak on 06/09/2007 08:22:23 CCP 4tl on this one, nearly 300 posts, 99% of them saying give chribba the Rorqual, people from every corner of the eve universe and still no reponse.
Give Chribba his Rorqual!
EDIT: This is the first time I have said CCP 4tl and will more than likely be the only time, I suppor CCP in 99% of things they do, but they have really droped the ball on this one. _ This is a dev trap sig. It has beer in it. Lets see how many we can catch :) *Free Beer, Don't mind the spikes* |
Filthy Pierre
Gallente Laughing Fox Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.06 08:33:00 -
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Chribba I don't know personally, but I've used the services he's created for the community and I know he seems to be one of the most trusted and respected individuals in the game.
CCP - give the man a break - he deserves it for all that he has done for us and for *you* at his own expense out of his love for your game.
And, CCP, if you can't see your way clear to that, I'll invoke that terrible curse upon all your male devs that involves Brennevin, roofies and waking up with your underwear on back to front in the morning....
FP
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Jinx Denton At any rate I wish to see some official thanks from CCP for what this man has done for their game.
Like when he recieved the EON award and almost all CCP staff came to congratulate him?
The EON awards were crap, and everyone knows that.
So it isn't a matter of saying "thanks for your hard work", but more of "No i want THIS candy."
Originally by: Ket Halpak Edited by: Ket Halpak on 06/09/2007 08:22:23 CCP 4tl on this one, nearly 300 posts, 99% of them saying give chribba the Rorqual, people from every corner of the eve universe and still no reponse.
Well, in your own words, overexaggeration 4tl.
Majority maybe, 99%, never.
And mostly people arn't against rewarding chribba, just against giving him a ship where one shouldn't be.
Veldspar belt, sure. Statue, sure. A luxury yacht or some sort of "useless" ship, sure. Own freakin station somewhere that only buys veldspar, sure!! Give the man his due respect and reward for dishing out cash.
But no rule breaking.
Can't see what's so hard to understand about that.
Noone even TRIES to understand it, just goes on about "No you hate Chribba! Give him ship!"
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:32:00 -
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Whos chribba ? what has he done to deserve this ? (I suspect nothing)
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Kirjava
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings Whos chribba ? what has he done to deserve this ? (I suspect nothing)
THIS
Hope that answers it. To put it into perspective - all those forum signatures? 90% plus are hosted on that website, all the eve applications and pictures linked onto these forums are also hosted there by the millions. He is also the most neutral peep in Eve - this means you can leave a titan beside the man in his pod with skills to fly it and he won't eben show info on it without you asking him to (this IS how motherships sucha s the Nyx and should it happen titans are sold as they cannot dock). What I am wondering right now is "where is Chibbra?". We have all sighned an epic thread and he did start the first page - but wheres he bugered off to I wonder....
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WrathchildeVOTF
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Steve Hawkings Whos chribba ? what has he done to deserve this ? (I suspect nothing)
THIS
Hope that answers it. To put it into perspective - all those forum signatures? 90% plus are hosted on that website, all the eve applications and pictures linked onto these forums are also hosted there by the millions. He is also the most neutral peep in Eve - this means you can leave a titan beside the man in his pod with skills to fly it and he won't eben show info on it without you asking him to (this IS how motherships sucha s the Nyx and should it happen titans are sold as they cannot dock). What I am wondering right now is "where is Chibbra?". We have all sighned an epic thread and he did start the first page - but wheres he bugered off to I wonder....
Honestly, I think he's doing the smart thing, and staying out of this. It probably embarrasses him a bit also.
but I do want to bring up a point mentioned earlier. Chribba was not and is not asking for a gift. From my understanding, he legitimately owned the PoS, the LSAA, and all of the components/minerals, BPO, and commenced production of his own Rorqual.
The only "gift" we, the majority of the EVE community, are asking is that CCP has the integrity to honor their own word, and allow this job to complete where it was commissioned at.
I find it absolutely disgusting that this situation was handled in the manner it has been. Now it's time that CCP re-interpereted their own intentions, much like they did with the trade forums, and belay their actions in this matter.
Or we all have to admit that nothing you are told by CCP, no matter by whom, is worthy of trust, as they may capriciously renege on their word.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:35:00 -
[290]
rabble rabble rabble.
/signed.
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Big Pick
Caldari Task Force Ranger
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:44:00 -
[291]
Chribba never fades.
/signed
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David Bonesaw
Gallente Parental Advisory WhoCares.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:53:00 -
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/signed
come on CCP give Chribba his Chribba Issued Rorqual or make him CEo of the ORE Corp
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Zephyrys
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.06 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: WrathchildeVOTF
The only "gift" we, the majority of the EVE community, are asking is that CCP has the integrity to honor their own word, and allow this job to complete where it was commissioned at.
CCP ruled that the remaining high sec Arrays would stay so long as the ships they produce went immediatly to lowsec upon completion. Chribba has stated his was intended for high-sec. A flat out disregard for CCP's set rules regarding the construction of capitals in high sec. There were sell orders for Roq's advertising them for high-sec.. so at least 1 of the other arrays ships could have possibly ended up in high sec... where CCP dosen't want them. Solution.. unachor the arrays and send them out of empire where everyone elses is.
Don't tell me you are gullible enough to believe that upon seeing 1 Roq in highsec.. that others wouldn't do what they could to sneak more by and not take them to lowsec.
CCP decided not to take the chance of these ships having access to high sec. Did this screw up Chribbas plans to use his Roq in high sec, in complete disregard for CCP's rule that they all get moved to lowsec.. yes Will CCP allow him to have the capital in high sec, showing favoritism, in light of all the recent alligations of CCP corruption and favortism towards players.. hell no.
Does Chribba do alot for the eve community? Apparently so Does he pay thousands of dollars of his own money to provide that service to the community.. maybe (you don't really think he dosen't get donations and sponsorship do you?) Does he deserve recognition of his works for EVE.. yes.. and he got it.. the EON award.
Does he deserve in game freebies and favoritism due to something he does of his own volition outside of game? No
Originally by: WrathchildeVOTF
I find it absolutely disgusting that this situation was handled in the manner it has been. Now it's time that CCP re-interpereted their own intentions, much like they did with the trade forums, and belay their actions in this matter.
Nothing to belay.. its already been handled.
Originally by: WrathchildeVOTF
Or we all have to admit that nothing you are told by CCP, no matter by whom, is worthy of trust, as they may capriciously renege on their word.
Welcome to the land of the MMO company.. where NOTHING is set in stone.. ever. -------------- Active Miner improvement Threads = 5 Active Miner improvement Threads with Dev Response = 0
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NIKNAK
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava We have all sighned an epic thread and he did start the first page - but wheres he bugered off to I wonder....
This is an epic thread alright... epic "Whine" thread from someone that's acting like a spoiled child that has had his toy's taken away.
Chribba and the other LSAA owner's started to build rorq's in Empire (an exploit incase you didn't already know) and CCP acted quickly in unanchoring the LSAA's and told the owner's in a "confidential GM/DEV message" which Chribba felt the need to display in his original post that they could still have the ship's when the production time had elapsed but they would need to choose a low sec system for the GM/DEV's to spawn the ship's in.
Chribba obviously wouldn't accept this so he made this "Whine" thread knowing that it would attract all his fanboi's to it like a plague of locust's to do his whining for him, although I imagine it's falling on deaf ear's in the CCP offices.
I don't see where CCP owe him anything ingame for out of game stuff he decided to do out of his own pocket, if anything it's you fanboi's that should reward him by maybe donating to his paypal. Although someone already mentioned he has sponsor's for the site so perhap's it doesn't cost him anything?
Anyway a rorq in empire is an "exploit" and if sanctioned by CCP it's just T20 and co all over again and we don't really want that do we?
NOT signed!
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Clorthos
Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.09.06 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: NIKNAK Chribba and the other LSAA owner's started to build rorq's in Empire (an exploit incase you didn't already know) and CCP acted quickly in unanchoring the LSAA's and told the owner's in a "confidential GM/DEV message" which Chribba felt the need to display in his original post that they could still have the ship's when the production time had elapsed but they would need to choose a low sec system for the GM/DEV's to spawn the ship's in.
It was not an exploit according to the devs and patch notes about the subject, stop calling things that they are not. The mail sent to the CEO's put 100% of the blame on the LSAA owners not the devs making the desecion last november when the patch was set, AND when we asked in mails and petitions about the rules of putting them up.
Originally by: NIKNAK Anyway a rorq in empire is an "exploit" and if sanctioned by CCP it's just T20 and co all over again and we don't really want that do we?
NOT signed!
You do realise that there is a huge difference between spawning tech 2 bpo's for your friends under the guise of a event that no one else could enter, and using game mechanics that were known about and apperently not thought about with the introducton of the new ship?
The real solution to this was to not allow them at all, but once they did and when they sanctioned the building of ships in empire they OWE it to the LSAA owners to tell them ahead of time, regardless of what everyone is thinking this is CCP's fualt and not the shipyard owners. And all of the shipyard owners will agree that taking them down is not the issue, but how CCP has gone about it and how they have treated the shipyard owners as the ones that have caused this issue when they operated under thier guidelines.
Chibb needs a giant veldspar rock outside the main amarr station that is bm's system wide and will never run out of ore, the ore capital ship in high sec is next to useless.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2007.09.06 18:12:00 -
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Wrangler et. al., I hope you see the mess you've started and make amends quickly, before the mob gets to have thier day with you at fanfest. The man deserves a little leeway considering the chunk of change he lays out for us that YOU don't have to. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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Big Pick
Caldari Task Force Ranger
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Posted - 2007.09.06 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: SSgt Sniper Wrangler et. al., I hope you see the mess you've started and make amends quickly, before the mob gets to have thier day with you at fanfest. The man deserves a little leeway considering the chunk of change he lays out for us that YOU don't have to.
Yall better start sharpnin' yer pitchforks, looks like theres gonna be a big fuss!
Let's git-er-done for Chribba!!!
*Sharpens ye-olde pitchfork*
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LogixCraft
Gallente Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:36:00 -
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Give the man his ship back, it's not like we are all asking for our own high sec capital.
He deserves it, I remeber when I was a noob to eve and I heard the stories of the veldnaught, it made me strive for low-sec/0.0 to get my own Moros which I'm attempting to afford now :P
Add more inspiration to eve, let the Chribba fleet live! Rorqual in high-sec, let it happen, let the stories continue! ----------------------------- Why don't the mods love my sig!?!
Show some love: (<-- see that, it means you can mod my sig and show love, or sell your soul for a cookie.) |
Lord Dynastron
Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:29:00 -
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Give him his Rorq in the system in which is was built. The mob has spoken... and continues to speak.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:55:00 -
[300]
u big meanies
signed
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