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Ciaphas Khaine Caldari Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:49:00 - [1] Ive heard of a recent development which nearly made me soil myself. No, I am not talking about any of the wars in the north of the south. I'm talking about the announcement of a T2 COVERT OPS BS. now some of you may be saying "oh that sounds cool, perhaps I will get one". That wasnt my first thought. No, I thought more along the lines of HOLY $h*7, chinese isking farming ravens are going to take over the world! its already hard enough to catch these tricky pieces of crap, but my assumption is that will just get worse with REV III. I for one say NO to proposition L337, the creation of "covert ops battleships" aka Chinese isk farming mobiles of death. BOOST EVERYTHING THAT I FLY! NERF EVERYTHING I DONT!
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:51:00 - [2] uhhh it's not covert ops battleships. --- ---
Senator Palpatine	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:52:00 - [3] Dont worry, they will have low DPS so prob not good for ratting in. Everything to do with T2 Bships will be role-specific, so go do some laundry and clean your drawers, nothing to fear here. Nothing to see here, move along people.
Gonna Change	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Kaar uhhh it's not covert ops battleships. if a "Black Ops BS" is not a cov ops ship, then I dont know what is http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aresbg115dc.gif
Anton Marx Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:57:00 - [5] Where are you guys reading about these T2 Battleships? :} - Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate - [UMCON]Anton Marx
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.07 21:59:00 - [6] Maybe they should be more proactive in banning isk farmers.
Gevuldekoek	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:11:00 - [7] Maybe CCP secretly want ISK farmers to live long and prosper ? maybe they have made a little deal... to think......
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Gevuldekoek Maybe CCP secretly want ISK farmers to live long and prosper ? maybe they have made a little deal... to think...... Maybe CCP is the ISK farmers. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:20:00 - [9] Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:22:00 - [10] where was this t2 bs announcement ?

Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. But a vast majority of them are!
Anton Marx Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Jacob Castillo Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. But a vast majority of them are! And that's racism at its best! - Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate - [UMCON]Anton Marx
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. yeah you are right some are Korean. ________________________________________
Capt Rapace Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Jacob Castillo Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. But a vast majority of them are! And that's racism at its best! It's not racism if it's true.
Golden Helmet Caldari No way I'm going to Deep Core Mining	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Fader Bane Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. yeah you are right some are Korean. Lets not forget the Russians here. I've seen many more Russian isk farmers \ macro miners than Chinese \ Korean or whatever
Keflin Geard Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:40:00 - [16] Why would they need a covert ops BS? A stabbed - cloaked Raven that maintains alignment and logs at the first hint of local rising above one is impossible to catch without a great deal of luck as it is.
icarus braciolini Omen Incorporated Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.07 22:40:00 - [17] alright again where is the evidence of such ships?
fugazii Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:09:00 - [18] i find it funny the whole anti isk farming crowd. 2 years ago omg every russian is isk farmers, now every chinese is one. yet these same people provide no proof to what they claim. when your claim has just as much proof to it as i have to me saying im the 2nd coming jesus, your just spouting baseless racist drivel. and honestly, do you really think ccp care all that much about isk selling in a game where it is legal to do so? aka gtc's.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Statistically speaking i have not met any isk farmers so far that did not speak chinese, and theres a whole bunch of em in fountain ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Gentle Glide Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:16:00 - [20] PROOF or STFU. ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP t20 So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level.

Orator Demosthenes Amarr On The Crown	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:18:00 - [21] Russians farm COMPLEXES, chinese farm RAT SPAWNS. Jesus, if you're gonna be racist, at least figure out your farking stereotypes.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Statistically speaking i have not met any isk farmers so far that did not speak chinese, and theres a whole bunch of em in fountain Your preexisting predilection to judge a chinese person as an isk farmer has made it so that you automatically disregard the possibility of someone who speaks english being an isk farmer, congratulations on your confirmation bias, chummer
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 07/09/2007 23:35:13 Neither a confirmation or denial of what's to be released. Just an idea and suggestion of what's possible... Link Originally by: WarCry Article WarCry: Any word on when we could be seeing Tech 2 Battle Ships, and what they might be like? Noah Ward: Well they are not going to be like uber hacks or you know, they are not just going to be just more damage and more resist. We are really trying to have them fill a certain niche, so what we are planning on having for the Revelations 3 patch is Black Ops battleships, which are more stealth oriented, more for getting behind enemy lines, more recon types of things. Maybe some special features with perhaps their own jump drives, and their own jump portals that will only allow certain ships through.
Vorgoth	Posted - 2007.09.07 23:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Statistically speaking i have not met any isk farmers so far that did not speak chinese, and theres a whole bunch of em in fountain Your preexisting predilection to judge a chinese person as an isk farmer has made it so that you automatically disregard the possibility of someone who speaks english being an isk farmer, congratulations on your confirmation bias, chummer roflmao, a goon posting that line is quality! I wouldnt worry about the chinamen getting into these, they'll most likely require bs5 and some other higher skills.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Keflin Geard Why would they need a covert ops BS? A stabbed - cloaked Raven that maintains alignment and logs at the first hint of local rising above one is impossible to catch without a great deal of luck as it is. For AFK camping mining systems, duh! ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:19:00 - [26] Originally by: Jacob Castillo Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. But a vast majority of them are! A racist at heart...
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Statistically speaking i have not met any isk farmers so far that did not speak chinese, and theres a whole bunch of em in fountain Your preexisting predilection to judge a chinese person as an isk farmer has made it so that you automatically disregard the possibility of someone who speaks english being an isk farmer, congratulations on your confirmation bias, chummer Actually, i have yet to see anyone who speaks english that displays isk farming behavior, hence its not bias but experience, which however yes is limited to fountain. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Lacosya asshats incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Anton Marx But a vast majority of them are! And that's racism at its best! get a dictionary,,,,its not racism, he isnt claiming to be a superior race to the chineese. get over the Politically correct crap
Radicus Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:25:00 - [29] Oh lovely, another skill intensive class that screws over noobs. At least in the BS class of ships they could catch up in a relatively short amount of time to several years old players. Now newer players have effectively no size class in which they can compete without having several (a lot) of level 5 skills and a lot of money.
Gentle Glide Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Radicus Oh lovely, another skill intensive class that screws over noobs. At least in the BS class of ships they could catch up in a relatively short amount of time to several years old players. Now newer players have effectively no size class in which they can compete without having several (a lot) of level 5 skills and a lot of money. Welcome to Eve, BTW. My T2 Battleships (With Battleship V for no reason) will absolutely wtfbbq pwn any BS you throw at me in a "relatively short amount of time" Hell. I can make a t1 cruiser that can kill "relatively new battleship pilots" without much trouble. ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP t20 So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level.

DJDie Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Nick Curso is saying the majority of english drink tea or that most ppl that eat frogs legs are french racist? i agree with a bob member
Radicus Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.09.08 00:47:00 - [32] It isn't so much about that, I bet T2 was designed for putting noobs at a disadvantage. But then again looking at how skill progression works in Eve there's probably no way to not screw noobs. My main beef is that most of the content added is mostly high end stuff, and while that is normal and cool in most other MMOs, other games don't have a strict time restriction on it like Eve does. I don't particularly care though, just something to note.
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Nick Curso is saying the majority of english drink tea or that most ppl that eat frogs legs are french racist? Yes Stereotyping is racism by definition. It's actually astounding the amount of blatant racism you encounter in Eve every day. I blame the ***** crouts. -- Quote:** If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:19:00 - [34] the black ops battleship will have little if no dps and/or tank... making it very bad for isk farming
Captian Internet Lead Bricks	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Statistically speaking i have not met any isk farmers so far that did not speak chinese, and theres a whole bunch of em in fountain Your preexisting predilection to judge a chinese person as an isk farmer has made it so that you automatically disregard the possibility of someone who speaks english being an isk farmer, congratulations on your confirmation bias, chummer Actually, i have yet to see anyone who speaks english that displays isk farming behavior, hence its not bias but experience, which however yes is limited to fountain. High sec mission bots are farmers they just don't know it yet Local Thread 107-b,War without a victor penalties,Navigation Shortcuts
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:33:00 - [36] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 08/09/2007 01:34:03 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 08/09/2007 01:33:40 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 08/09/2007 01:33:27 Originally by: Lacosya Originally by: Anton Marx But a vast majority of them are! And that's racism at its best! get a dictionary,,,,its not racism, he isnt claiming to be a superior race to the chineese. get over the Politically correct crap http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism ok... Not all Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian are isk farmer and not all isk farmers are Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian. Stereotyping Chinese players as isk farmers is racism.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Vorgoth I wouldnt worry about the chinamen getting into these, they'll most likely require bs5 and some other higher skills. Repostin' this to ensure you'll be banned. ___ Junkie Beverage: i use your tears to cyno in my laughter
Fallen Buckshot Amarr InQuest Ascension R i s e	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:43:00 - [38] Ive heard that the Irish Farm ... players ! thats right they camp gates stations whatever and make there isk off others modules .. this is an outrage and should be stopped ! :P
Lacosya asshats incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:52:00 - [39] Originally by: CrispyKritters get a dictionary,,,,its not racism, he isnt claiming to be a superior race to the chineese. get over the Politically correct crap http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism ok... Not all Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian are isk farmer and not all isk farmers are Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian. Stereotyping Chinese players as isk farmers is racism. actually its sterotyping and not racism Main Entry: rac+ism Function: noun 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.08 01:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Anton Marx Originally by: Jacob Castillo Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. But a vast majority of them are! And that's racism at its best! Possibly, but I never said all chinese were ISK farmers. I know plenty that aren't, but I have also yet to meet an ISK farmer that doesn't speak chinese.

CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Lacosya Originally by: CrispyKritters get a dictionary,,,,its not racism, he isnt claiming to be a superior race to the chineese. get over the Politically correct crap http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism ok... Not all Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian are isk farmer and not all isk farmers are Chinese/Korean/Asian/Russian. Stereotyping Chinese players as isk farmers is racism. actually its sterotyping and not racism Main Entry: rac+ism Function: noun 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race doesn't have to be about superiority 2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:09:00 - [42] Are you upset that they are ISK farming or that you can't find them cause they cloak? Are you upset that they are stealing your ISK? Oh wait, rats respawn. Are you upset that they sell ISK on eBay? Oh, can't do that either. Wait, what are you upset about again? I've had corp members in other corps that would npc 24/7. They just liked ISK. Should they be banned cause most of what they do is NPC? You guys all complain about ISK farmers but don't give a reason why. If you are upset about macroing, that's totally different. It has nothing to do with Cloaking Raven. BTW, they you will be able to scan out cloaked ships next patch. And try to give a reason how ISK farming is ruining your game play beside spending 2 minutes looking for a cloaked raven.
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Radicus Oh lovely, another skill intensive class that screws over noobs. i knew someone was going to throw this card into play. tbh im surprised it took you guys a few days to notice it and not seen it any sooner then when it was first published on that site. Originally by: Radicus I bet T2 was designed for putting noobs at a disadvantage. But then again looking at how skill progression works in Eve there's probably no way to not screw noobs. i wouldnt say that they are trying to screw new players over (noobs) its more of a treat being dangled infront of them and if they want to go for it then they'll need to put the effort into training for it. thats how its always been since i first started playing this game. skill requirements based off of those mentioned in that written interview should be very easy to guess so it should be pretty easy to be prepared and ready to skill up the ship skill to jump right into them. anyway what i got from another thread in this forum is that there will be 20 new t2 ships in Rev 3. if they are doing 2 types of T2 bs im interested to see what the other 3 ship types are Originally by: Brunswick2 the black ops battleship will have little if no dps and/or tank... making it very bad for isk farming if it follows suit of its lower class recon - cov-ops ships then yea it more then likely will. all i can say is lets wait and see what they have for us to play with in november when they release Rev 3 ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Thargat Caldari S-44	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:21:00 - [44] Edited by: Thargat on 08/09/2007 02:22:47 edit: baaad things happened.... wierd.... posted with my main with another account... and... weird... deleted... There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:50:00 - [45] Chinese is a nationality, not a race, human is a race. And I hate all humans equally. Also the PC crap needs to stop. I could give a very good example of something that is blindly true, but people get called racists for stating despite it being obvious, but I won't derail this thread (more than others have already) or turn it political/religious. Also, I thought the comment about T2 BS was something like 'Carebears will like it', meaning CCP may be thinking of breaking their vow of 'no bigger HACs' once again. Now far be it for me to deny Caldari their Torp-spewing version of the Cerb/Nighthawk, or Gallente some sort of BS with moros-grade Drone DPS, but if CCP pull that crap and just give us some bigger combat ship that'll be horribly lame. Hopefully T2 BS are just the flagships. Give them both bonuses to gang links, and outright gang bonuses, like you find on the Titans (just not as large obviously). It could go like this: Amarr: 3% cap max per level Caldari 3% shield HP per level (resists would be covered by gang mod afterall) Gallente: 3% drone damage(or whatever) per level Minmatar: 3% reduction in duc... sigradius, or velocity boost. It would be the big brothers to the Commandships, and you could give them alittle lower resists, and make them only as good for combat as their T1 counterparts.

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.08 02:56:00 - [46] There were several psots where corp/alliance tickers were not showing. I have removed them. The rules for this forum are still in place, please abide by them to continue posting. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Nebuchadnezzar I Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.08 03:17:00 - [47] I agree with wiggly on both the offtopic discussion of the CAOD derailers and the ontopic issue. In any case its all speculation. CCP may yet change their minds a few times - a covert BS tho sounds quite unlikely really, even ccp isnt THAT silly? :p
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.08 03:30:00 - [48] If you have a problem with ISK farmers, you can just say "ISK Farmers". You don't have to single out a nationality. It's wrong. If you can't see that, then I feel sorry for anyone that you have to deal with in life. On topic though, I haven't seen anyone make a valid point how NPCing - Cloaking - ISK Farmers are ruining the game for anyone. If they cloak, you can't kill them, just the same as if they were banned, YOU CAN'T KILL THEM. Rats respawn, so they aren't taking any resources of the game. What are they actually doing other then appearing neutral in local and not on scanner? If you don't want recon battleships, please give a better reason then ISK Farmers, it's a lame reason.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.08 03:57:00 - [49] LOL at the "Ohnoes! Racism" crowd! _________________________________________________________
Jack Cannon STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.08 04:24:00 - [50] Isk farmers are not hard to kill... They are highly predictable to the point of their own idiocy. Catching one just requires massive amounts of patience and a trained team and or gaggle of alts. I'd say a properly set up 3 man team can do it without issue all day long in 00% safety if you know what you are doing... it's boring as F*** but I know people who are patient enough and make quite a good living depriving them of their loot. Isk farmers are not the most difficult players to catch you just have to know how they operate. Once you do you can farm them until your heart's content... oh and if they hire mercs to gank you... just tell them who they are supporting... most self respecting mercs will help you gank them after learning of this information. :lol

Pandora's Child InterMind Unlimited	Posted - 2007.09.08 04:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Kozak If you have a problem with ISK farmers, you can just say "ISK Farmers". You don't have to single out a nationality. It's wrong. If you can't see that, then I feel sorry for anyone that you have to deal with in life. On topic though, I haven't seen anyone make a valid point how NPCing - Cloaking - ISK Farmers are ruining the game for anyone. If they cloak, you can't kill them, just the same as if they were banned, YOU CAN'T KILL THEM. Rats respawn, so they aren't taking any resources of the game. What are they actually doing other then appearing neutral in local and not on scanner? If you don't want recon battleships, please give a better reason then ISK Farmers, it's a lame reason. They create inflation in the eve economy. Despite what people think this actually has the effect of raising prices in the eve economy. However, until the eve economy is truely free market you will never see their impact significantly effect prices in eve since the overall value of items entering the game is tightly controlled by CCP. The more they farm the more CCP can just nerf rat spawns/complexes (which they already have IMHO) that's my two cents.
Rudy Metallo Feral Instinct	Posted - 2007.09.08 04:50:00 - [52] Nuff said. Say what?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Pandora's Child Originally by: Kozak If you have a problem with ISK farmers, you can just say "ISK Farmers". You don't have to single out a nationality. It's wrong. If you can't see that, then I feel sorry for anyone that you have to deal with in life. On topic though, I haven't seen anyone make a valid point how NPCing - Cloaking - ISK Farmers are ruining the game for anyone. If they cloak, you can't kill them, just the same as if they were banned, YOU CAN'T KILL THEM. Rats respawn, so they aren't taking any resources of the game. What are they actually doing other then appearing neutral in local and not on scanner? If you don't want recon battleships, please give a better reason then ISK Farmers, it's a lame reason. They create inflation in the eve economy. Despite what people think this actually has the effect of raising prices in the eve economy. However, until the eve economy is truely free market you will never see their impact significantly effect prices in eve since the overall value of items entering the game is tightly controlled by CCP. The more they farm the more CCP can just nerf rat spawns/complexes (which they already have IMHO) that's my two cents. There are too many holes in your argument. First of all, everyone that ever killed an NPC and bought stuff from the market creates inflation. Second, everyone keeps mentioning ISK farmers from Asia. SOme of those farmers may make ISK to sell for real money. The only viable way to do it is through third party companies (Not eBay) or for them to buy timecards in game and sell them on eBay or third party companies. The timecard trade is very profitable for CCP and doesn't hurt the average player in anyway and does not interfere with the economy. You guys really need to come up with better arguments against ISK Farming. There really isn't anything wrong with it, it doesn't hurt the average player in anyway. Marco Mining does, focus on them. The only argument that eveyone seems to have is that they cloak. Heh, and that's just silly.
Scav Silver Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:20:00 - [54] So?? <scratchin' head> Chinese are better at isk farmin', and the Russians are better at complexes, and the Irish just gate camp, and English drink tea and the French just like thier frog legs.. So?? Where does this leave us?? And what happend to the T2 BS topic?? This thread has no point.. ------------------------------------------------------------- "Scav est procul Porta!!" -=Pimary=- "Tonight you dine in....BKG?" -=Ashemi Darkhold=-
MrMajIc VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:34:00 - [55] Em CCP does act on farmers but it takes them ages. Proof is the ZDK9 group of venal...where are they now? well my isk farmer spy who speaks limited english tells me the GM has "GM not able to work!" them over 35 ravens all tied into them have been removed. but sadly they got 15 more accounts all returned. DOH
Avalon Champion Gene Works FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:41:00 - [56] But back on topic. My understanding was that CCP pulled T2 BS from the game anyway as of last patch, as they've removed the invention tab from the majority of the BS BP's. Therefore useless thread, except to ***** about ISK farmers.
Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 05:56:00 - [57] Edited by: Angor on 08/09/2007 05:56:31 Cloaking BS's with jump drives/jump portals lmao. What next, battleships with doomsday's? _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion	Posted - 2007.09.08 06:10:00 - [58] Black Ops or Covert Ops? Oh, and some guy from CCP said it in an interview as an idea for things that might come along later. No details.
ED 209 Old Detroit Crime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.08 06:12:00 - [59] The problem could easily be solved by building another railroad.
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 06:14:00 - [60] i think when you have lived in a largely "isk farmer" inhabited area, you do just end up calling them chinese because that is what 9/10 they are, and there isnt 1, or 2, theres a ****load of these guys

Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.08 07:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Nice fakepost. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:24:00 - [62] Originally by: ED 209 The problem could easily be solved by building another railroad. Who got your stuff? RKK?
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:33:00 - [63] Edited by: pershphanie on 08/09/2007 08:41:41 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. /signed its hella weak that anyone in this game who speaks any sort of asian language is automatically thought of as an isk farmer. question 4 everyone - Do you dislike isk farmers or do just dislike that they're Chinese? If its all isk farmers that you dislike then why bother to prefix the term "isk farmer" with "chinese"? ------>PҼſϚի<------
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:37:00 - [64] Originally by: Toffles Maybe they should be more proactive in banning isk farmers. Banning isk farmers only slow them down a bit. To be really effective, it's the isk buyers you need to ban... ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Toffles Maybe they should be more proactive in banning isk farmers. Banning isk farmers only slow them down a bit. To be really effective, it's the isk buyers you need to ban... I'm shocked anyone would buy isk at all being that they can get it safely from time cards. Why do ppl buy isk for cash? ------>PҼſϚի<------
Lady Caeser Open Fist of Castallus	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:50:00 - [66] Edited by: Lady Caeser on 08/09/2007 08:54:01 T2 Black Ops BS is something I'd probably be able to fly very soon if not immediately, so would be cool to check it out. Its going to require something like Battleship 5, Cloaking 4/5 and Covert Ops 5 in all likelihood. The way the 0.0 isk farmers operate is that they'll farm for maybe 6 months then send all the isk to their main/boss whatever and when its sold it'll be flagged and the account banned, but that doesn't matter because they'll already have self destructed their ship for the insurance money and be ready to setup a new account through a different proxy. The thing thats important here is 6 months is not going to be enough time for the isk farmers to get into these ships. They don't need them either, they're already invincible via the logoff button. The racism thing may seem harsh, but nobody hates chinese people! The simple fact is its only viable to farm isk in places like china because the cost of living is like 1/8th of that in the U.S.A and places where the EVE players live, a U.S.A isk shop couldn't support itself, so rather than saying that all isk farmers are Chinese, its more likely they work in China (but could be any nationality and that is really irrelevent). -------------------------------------- What are you looking at? --------------------------------------
Agnst Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.09.08 08:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. Ofc not, don't forge ze RUSSIANS!
Kirah Ovai Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:14:00 - [68] The bigotry is strong in this thread. Why don't all the omfg-ze-farmers-will-ruin-eve quit the game already. Clearly the chinese are out to get you. And I better stop running missions, lest I be accused of being an "isk farmer"
Fraps Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:15:00 - [69] Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:16:09 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. I love how some random person wil call racism when its not even a valid claim. look it up nub, racism is more of a hate of another race for nothing more than the fact that they are of that race. the k-k-k( who knew three ks in a row gets filterd) hates black people thats racism. the fact that 99% of isk farmers are of chinese decent is not racism its fact. they flood every game, that is there job, if they could get away with it in other countries they would. china just happens to have the lowest wage and the lowest human rights standards of any modern age country. thus thats where the the isk or gold or credit or whatever farmers propigate. calling it racism is a disrespect those who have devoted there lives to stomping such an ugly practice. I would think that once you reach an age where you stop using shock words simply because you can is when you will actually make sense and hopefully a difference. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Fraps Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:19:00 - [70] Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:20:18 Originally by: Kirah Ovai The bigotry is strong in this thread. Why don't all the omfg-ze-farmers-will-ruin-eve quit the game already. Clearly the chinese are out to get you. And I better stop running missions, lest I be accused of being an "isk farmer" see my post above, get an education... isk farming is the practice of making isk or any in game currency for the purpose or selling said currency in a real world market. if thats your plan, then yes you are isk farmer and you should be banned. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!

Plague Rexus Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:22:00 - [71] Originally by: Fraps Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:16:55 Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:16:09 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. I love how some random person wil call racism when its not even a valid claim. look it up nub, racism is more of a hate of another race for nothing more than the fact that they are of that race. the k-k-k( who knew three ks in a row gets filterd) hates, black people thats racism. the fact that 99% of isk farmers are of chinese decent is not racism, its fact. they flood every game, that is there job, if they could get away with it in other countries they would. china just happens to have the lowest wage and the lowest human rights standards of any modern age country. thus thats where the the isk or gold or credit or whatever farmers propigate. calling it racism is a disrespect those who have devoted there lives to stomping such an ugly practice. I would think that once you reach an age where you stop using shock words simply because you can is when you will actually make sense and hopefully a difference. Absolutely signed, another guy made the point that its simply being nasty or rude to another race, well thats it then i had better be nice to everyone i meet who isnt english for the rest of my life. By shouting racism whenever a valid opinion is formed you guys are squashing free speech and propagating ridiculous political correctness. I say get some common sense. The only reason this has cropped up is because isk farming is a negative in the eve community, nobody would say a damn thing if we made the valid point that most russians/eastern europeans seems vicious and efficient in pvp. Nobody is going to contest chinese or korean human rights abuses by calling someone racist if they say it. Oh and about the thread, they should just come up with newer scanners.
Fraps Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:23:00 - [72] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Toffles Maybe they should be more proactive in banning isk farmers. Banning isk farmers only slow them down a bit. To be really effective, it's the isk buyers you need to ban... mmmm devils advocae here. maybe CCP should stop supporting isk farming with there vaildation of game cards for isk. pick a side, either make a supported exchange of real world currency for isk or stop supported the exchange all together. Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Ricco Lonestar Minmatar SuX ltd.	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:30:00 - [73] Geeezz cloacked masochistic Chinese leatherboys. Yieks!! P.s. They hack our governments,don't let them hack you!
Annerinas Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Fraps Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Toffles Maybe they should be more proactive in banning isk farmers. Banning isk farmers only slow them down a bit. To be really effective, it's the isk buyers you need to ban... mmmm devils advocae here. maybe CCP should stop supporting isk farming with there vaildation of game cards for isk. pick a side, either make a supported exchange of real world currency for isk or stop supported the exchange all together. Step 1. Enter Trade Channel. Step 2. Say Hi. Step 3. Wait for ISK evemail. Pricing does not add up. They're not buying and reselling cards for isk then selling isk for cash. The ones buying the cards are players who may've otherwise bought the isk and so fueled even MORE farming. Removing the GTC trade will make it worse, not better. You'll have a isk value rise, which will mean more farmers to meet the demand. Its simply the price of playing a game like this. Be glad you can still enjoy the content. Some games (particularly harder Korean grind games) have it so bad you wont even be allowed near some of the content, because its 24/7 camped and guarded. As for the OP, well I seriously doubt CCP will add a cloaking battleship and not a cloaking hunter. They don't like farmers any more than we do and wouldn't want a cloaked BS in every major belt system in the game. The claim that they want the farming accounts is undermined by the fact that GTC trade quite adequately provides them with accounts. Accounts which wont generate nearly as much PR and customer service costs.
Darth Plague Amarr Centurians	Posted - 2007.09.08 10:29:00 - [75] I see ppl making remarks about race so I have a question scince when did the chinese become a race unto their own.I thought they were part of the Asian race of which in general I like asians .But becuase of the play style of alot of the chinese I dislike them because they have ruined countless other games.
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.09.08 12:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Fraps Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:29:53 Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:29:08 Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:16:55 Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:16:09 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. I love how some random person wil call racism when its not even a valid claim. look it up nub, racism is more of a hate of another race for nothing more than the fact that they are of that race. the k-k-k( who knew three ks in a row gets filterd) hates black people, thats racism. the fact that 99% of isk farmers are of chinese decent is not racism, its fact. they flood every game, that is there job, if they could get away with it in other countries they would. china just happens to have the lowest wage and the lowest human rights standards of any modern age country. thus thats where the the isk or gold or credit or whatever farmers propigate. calling it racism is a disrespect those who have devoted there lives to stomping such an ugly practice. I would think that once you reach an age where you stop using shock words simply because you can is when you will actually make sense and hopefully a difference. im drinking so expect more edits for grammer and after thoughts. though in know way am i saying my grammer will be anywer this side of the galaxy near correct. in fact it may get worse. Fraps wins the forums.
consider telos Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 12:26:00 - [77] I doubt you will see isk farmers in black ops bs anytime soon. The t2 bs's most likely will have high sp requirements. You'll probably need command ship or force recon plus bs level 5. I can't see the isk farmers having sp allocated in these areas. Especially command ship.
Mallick Northern Intelligence Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.09.08 12:38:00 - [78] Americans are fat - OMFG RACISM!
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.09.08 12:46:00 - [79] Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 08/09/2007 12:48:06 Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 08/09/2007 12:46:34 Look there seems to be confusion over the TERM racism so lets define it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism Now I'm not a wikipedia fan really but I'm sure most of you are so I'm using their definition here. Some salient points: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement 2. As racism carries connotations of race-based bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping or discrimination, the term has varying and often hotly contested definitions. Now can we argue our points around this framework of understanding? I'm not suggesting burning a cross on some guys lawn is the same as calling every raven in a belt a Chinese ISK farmer, but racism allows no degrees. Discuss from here now you are better informed. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.08 12:56:00 - [80] Originally by: Angor Edited by: Angor on 08/09/2007 05:56:31 Cloaking BS's with jump drives/jump portals lmao. What next, battleships with doomsday's? Cloaking BSs with jump drives/jump portals would be amazing.

Kirah Ovai Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.09.08 13:00:00 - [81] Originally by: Fraps Edited by: Fraps on 08/09/2007 09:20:18 Originally by: Kirah Ovai The bigotry is strong in this thread. Why don't all the omfg-ze-farmers-will-ruin-eve quit the game already. Clearly the chinese are out to get you. And I better stop running missions, lest I be accused of being an "isk farmer" see my post above, get an education... isk farming is the practice of making isk or any in game currency for the purpose or selling said currency in a real world market. if thats your plan, then yes you are isk farmer and you should be banned. Why thank you for the tip, I think I'm off now to inscribe for "mmorpg lingo for beginners" at the local uni. Maybe then I can have a conversation on the interwebs with highly educated people such as yourself without embarrassing myself.
General StarScream Cybertronic Decepticons	Posted - 2007.09.08 14:31:00 - [82] HEy ciaphas Khaine, i dont think its right of you to box the chinees people like that. theres alot of gamers from china that play for fun. maybe you should limet your self to the term Isk farmer, insted of boxing People like that. thats just wrong, and you should know it.
Sidrat Flush Caldari Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.09.08 14:39:00 - [83] Why does GTC trading for ISK have such a negative opinion. Some people don't have credit cards to use every month. Some people may not have the cash at the right time to continue their subscription. Some people sell ISK for dollars/Pounds. Some people sell GTC for ISK. (this is the camp I'm in btw) Some people ( me ) don't have the time or the inkling of an idea to spend mining/ratting and refining to buy the next shiny toy - in my case I haven't actually needed anything that expensive or in fact needed to replace anything, but still even miners want ISK to get a new bpo of something or other. What I'm saying is there are customers for both trades, and believe me they are two different trades. One set of customer has money but no ISK (which is lets face it, practically free anyway), the other set of customer has ISK but no money, or access to use money online atleast. It'll be interesting to see IF the Doctor can shed the light on the economic impact of what macro ratters/miners do to the economy. I know they exist in 0.0 as well as empire, but even new players can't mine that much tritanium required to keep an a corp/alliance in ships! I wonder do NPC corps sell the low end minerals? Life is about memories the more the better. End Slavery.
busta nut Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.08 14:48:00 - [84] maybe you should all just lighten up tbfh
Bluudbath	Posted - 2007.09.08 14:53:00 - [85] just a fact in most mmo asian's make up the majority of isk/gold farmers period. no racism involed.
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.09.08 15:06:00 - [86] beh! Isk farmers.. hmm.. Now that ive lived with them for a while i just dont care anymore. The local babelfish smack is just funny. The mission hauler isk farmers just.. well, some parts of the game universe was really empty. Now i just consider them to be npc's. The only thing that bothers me is the ones who mines out all the ore. And a simple way to fix that is increase ore respawn.
Privious Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 16:10:00 - [87] WTB Thread lock BPO 7 bil. --------- When the pin is pulled Mr. Grenade is not our friend.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.09.08 18:40:00 - [88] Wait.. play.. whine..
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.09.08 18:44:00 - [89] What's so bad about racism?
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.09.08 18:58:00 - [90] oh look it's the PC parade -----

Xlander Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.08 21:37:00 - [91] Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 08/09/2007 12:48:06 Edited by: JeanPaul Sartre on 08/09/2007 12:46:34 Look there seems to be confusion over the TERM racism so lets define it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism Now I'm not a wikipedia fan really but I'm sure most of you are so I'm using their definition here. Some salient points: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement 2. As racism carries connotations of race-based bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping or discrimination, the term has varying and often hotly contested definitions. Now can we argue our points around this framework of understanding? I'm not suggesting burning a cross on some guys lawn is the same as calling every raven in a belt a Chinese ISK farmer, but racism allows no degrees. Discuss from here now you are better informed. The problem with Wikipedia is that it's user defined so anybody can put anything they want in to it but that doesn't make it legit. Here is the exact definition of Racism from Dictionary.com: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Since you say you don't like wikipedia I'm guessing it's because of that fact. As you can see in the dictionary definition of Racism it says nothing about stereotyping so who is to say that the wikipedia definition is even correct? Beyond that you are missing the main point of those of us that don't believe calling Chinese people Isk Farmers is racist. That point is the fact that the Chinese are NOT a race. I have been to and lived in China and I saw dozens of different races that make up the Chinese people with dozens of different languages. In fact the Mandarin language is not even called Mandarin or even the Chinese language in China, there it is called the common language. Although the majority of people in China are Asian (which is a race) not all are so by defining somebody as Chinese you are defining them by their Country not their race. There are many races in China just like every other Country in the world so lets get off the term racist because it's ridiculous. Now the op I'm quoting here although he's misguided in his definition of racism did bring up the correct word that all the wanna-be PC folks in this thread meant to say which is stereotyping. By putting Chinese in front of isk farmer the op of this thread is stereotyping because not all isk farmers are Chinese and not all Chinese isk farm. That being said, so what! Everybody I know, see on TV, hear on the radio, read of etc stereotypes. It's a common and accepted form of attack in our society. I'm stereotyped on these boards all the time by people that call my alliance a 'pet' of another. Where are all the PC police from GoonSwarm to save me when folks in their own alliance are saying such horrible 'racist' things about my alliance
Karanth Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.08 22:16:00 - [92] Originally by: General StarScream HEy ciaphas Khaine, i dont think its right of you to box the chinees people like that. theres alot of gamers from china that play for fun. maybe you should limet your self to the term Isk farmer, insted of boxing People like that. thats just wrong, and you should know it. Isn't there a server known as "Serenity" for just that purpose? For a government that is so anal about making sure they know what their citizens can access on the internet, they sure do fail hard at it. Free beer for those who mod my sig! There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. I'll see your beer, and raise you a goat kebab -Tirg I'll take that pint and raise you two -Timmeh I bet 2 goats, 1 pint and a bag of slugs -Lordharold I grab it all, cook it/eat and drink it all and say thank you. -Pirlouit I'll call your bluff, and go all in on 3 locks of Hutch's hair. -Incognus I'll see that bet, depending on where the hair came from. -Rauth pushes the other mods out of the way Mmmm, bree - Karass Bree & goat kebabs!!! I'm in!! - Yips IT WAS ME, MUHAHAHA. -Hango How did I miss free BREE!!? -Kaemonn always fashionably late - Deckard Better late than never! -Sahwoolo
Hank Rearden Gallente Hooded Monk Mining Industries	Posted - 2007.09.08 23:29:00 - [93] To all you wanabee reacism whistleblowers I agree with another poster, your so blind and your actions so cheep that you do a huge disservice to people that have actually endured hatred and others who have worked against real hatred. Just for one moment think instead of feeling and you will notice that you dont know the race of any person posting hear so the person who wrote "chinese isk farmers" even had they written asian isk famers might have been asian so what does that make them? The point is you dont know who your talking to or what your talking about so spare use repeating dogma that you saw on the loacal news channel while sitting on your ass eating potato chips wondering if that was a fart coming out or you just soiled yourself.
K'Bar Caldari Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.08 23:32:00 - [94] Originally by: Mallick Americans are fat - OMFG RACISM! And yet, we are still better than you.
K'Bar Caldari Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.08 23:34:00 - [95] Originally by: Hank Rearden To all you wanabee reacism whistleblowers I agree with another poster, your so blind and your actions so cheep that you do a huge disservice to people that have actually endured hatred and others who have worked against real hatred. Just for one moment think instead of feeling and you will notice that you dont know the race of any person posting hear so the person who wrote "chinese isk farmers" even had they written asian isk famers might have been asian so what does that make them? The point is you dont know who your talking to or what your talking about so spare use repeating dogma that you saw on the loacal news channel while sitting on your ass eating potato chips wondering if that was a fart coming out or you just soiled yourself. Excellent post!!! (2 thumbs up)
Elisa Day Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.09.09 00:30:00 - [96] Edited by: Elisa Day on 09/09/2007 00:34:08 If we're done talking about what is racism and what is not, then a hint for one of the new T2 ship types that may or may not exist, is the new description of the "Flagships" skill. It changed a while ago, but instead of speaking of the old T2 bs "flagships" the "new" description reads as follows: Quote: Skill at operating Wing Command Carriers. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2007.09.09 01:00:00 - [97] Originally by: Golden Helmet Originally by: Fader Bane Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Maybe we can tone down the racism a little bit? Not every isk farmer is Chinese and not every person from China is an isk farmer. yeah you are right some are Korean. Lets not forget the Russians here. I've seen many more Russian isk farmers \ macro miners than Chinese \ Korean or whatever In Soviet Union, ISK farms you! The next revolution won't be televised; it'll be pod-cast.
Rudy Metallo Feral Instinct	Posted - 2007.09.09 04:09:00 - [98] Originally by: Elisa Day Edited by: Elisa Day on 09/09/2007 00:34:08 If we're done talking about what is racism and what is not, then a hint for one of the new T2 ship types that may or may not exist, is the new description of the "Flagships" skill. It changed a while ago, but instead of speaking of the old T2 bs "flagships" the "new" description reads as follows: Quote: Skill at operating Wing Command Carriers. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts. TO HELL WITH YOU AND YOUR ON TOPIC POSTS! Say what?
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.09 06:15:00 - [99] Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 09/09/2007 06:15:59 On the topic: Yep, when I read about the possiblity of a Covert Ops Battleship, my thought too was "damn isk farmers are gonna cream themselves....." While a Covert Ops BS would have uses for real players too, I'd really like to see some anti isk farmer tools that would make it usless to isk farmers. (easier said than done, I know, but its still what I'd like to see....) On the "other" topic of this thread: Usually (almost always, although admittedly not 100% of the time) the morons that cry "racism" or "sexism" are in truth the REAL filthy bigots. Fortunately present day society seems to be beginning to wake up on this issue. The race husslers have numbered days. Already they are taken less and less seriously. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.09.09 06:28:00 - [100] Did it occur to any of you chaps who immediately accuse foreigners of ISK-farming that it might merely be that the ones who speak English simply are better at communicating their excuses and cover stories than their counterparts for whom English is a second language? Yes, we've all seen our fair share of non-english speaking ISK farmers all across EVE, but seriously, what makes them annoying is that they are farming isk. Does "Chinese", "Russian", or any other nationality need to enter into it? Just say "Macrominer" or "Isk Farmer" and leave it at that. Yes, we all say it. It's an association that is bred into us by playing MMOs. It's all over the place and the (often notably hilarious) broken english we get in local from them only serves to reinforce the stereotype. However - and please take this in the spirit it is intended, and not as a holier-than-thou flame as I'm not any better than anyone else on this - why don't we try some self-moderation on this and make a conscious effort to stop the national stereotyping (both regarding Isk farmers and also in general given that it's supposed to be a forum rule anyhow)? Because believe it or not, there are American (and other english-speaking) ISK-farmers out there too. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.

Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.09 06:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 09/09/2007 06:15:59 On the topic: Yep, when I read about the possiblity of a Covert Ops Battleship, my thought too was "damn isk farmers are gonna cream themselves....." While a Covert Ops BS would have uses for real players too, I'd really like to see some anti isk farmer tools that would make it usless to isk farmers. (easier said than done, I know, but its still what I'd like to see....) On the "other" topic of this thread: Usually (almost always, although admittedly not 100% of the time) the morons that cry "racism" or "sexism" are in truth the REAL filthy bigots. Fortunately present day society seems to be beginning to wake up on this issue. The race husslers have numbered days. Already they are taken less and less seriously. Oh Sergeant Spot, how the mighty have fallen. Quote: For the record, I don't normally forum war. But now and then I see some argument where one side has a basic thrust so incredibly stupid as to be insulting by its mere existance, even if it has no impact on me or my play. I then take a bit of fun riping the idiot's argument to shreds. (Pure ego on my part, but I admit it to myself.) In this case, added to the stupidity of the Goons attempting to defend the undefendable, is the wretchness of the whole thing. ABOVE ALL, their attempts to blame BoB for calling them on the issue warrents extreme abuse. Their attempts to defend the issue by blaming BoB only dig them deeper. While I expect to be to busy in game to really do serious forum fighting, I'll be sure to kick the goons around a bit now and then. Despite your admission that you don't "forum war," I found eight pages of polemic, and not the satiric kind which you still don't grasp in the least, but the genuine keyboard smashing rage kind. And generally when you're trying to get your Socratic irony on, it's advisable to play it straight the whole way through. It just comes off as petualant anger when you go from high mocking to outright namecalin nd yuor posts turn into' this hasty mes of typos. ___ Junkie Beverage: i use your tears to cyno in my laughter
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Sergeant Spot STUFF HE SAID Oh Sergeant Spot, how the mighty have fallen. Quote: . STUFF HE SAID I always find it creepy when people dig this stuff up on other people....no offense "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.10 08:00:00 - [103] Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 09/09/2007 06:15:59 On the topic: Yep, when I read about the possiblity of a Covert Ops Battleship, my thought too was "damn isk farmers are gonna cream themselves....." While a Covert Ops BS would have uses for real players too, I'd really like to see some anti isk farmer tools that would make it usless to isk farmers. (easier said than done, I know, but its still what I'd like to see....) On the "other" topic of this thread: Usually (almost always, although admittedly not 100% of the time) the morons that cry "racism" or "sexism" are in truth the REAL filthy bigots. Fortunately present day society seems to be beginning to wake up on this issue. The race husslers have numbered days. Already they are taken less and less seriously. Oh Sergeant Spot, how the mighty have fallen. Quote: For the record, I don't normally forum war. But now and then I see some argument where one side has a basic thrust so incredibly stupid as to be insulting by its mere existance, even if it has no impact on me or my play. I then take a bit of fun riping the idiot's argument to shreds. (Pure ego on my part, but I admit it to myself.) In this case, added to the stupidity of the Goons attempting to defend the undefendable, is the wretchness of the whole thing. ABOVE ALL, their attempts to blame BoB for calling them on the issue warrents extreme abuse. Their attempts to defend the issue by blaming BoB only dig them deeper. While I expect to be to busy in game to really do serious forum fighting, I'll be sure to kick the goons around a bit now and then. Despite your admission that you don't "forum war," I found eight pages of polemic, and not the satiric kind which you still don't grasp in the least, but the genuine keyboard smashing rage kind. And generally when you're trying to get your Socratic irony on, it's advisable to play it straight the whole way through. It just comes off as petualant anger when you go from high mocking to outright namecalin nd yuor posts turn into' this hasty mes of typos. Not sure what you mean. In the first quote of me, I'm slamming race husslers. In the 2nd quote, I'm slamming goons for NEVER actually addressing the issue of many of their members, over extended time, repeatedly mocking the real life death of a player. Heck, I was convoed three times myself before I even knew there was an issue. Not sure what relationship you see. Are you saying that race hussling is ok, and/or are you saying its ok to mock the real life death of players or their family members? As for me forum warring, if you read what I posted, you'll find my posting history fits it well. Months with nothing, and then I stomp on an idiot. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.10 08:16:00 - [104] Edited by: Martin VanBuren on 10/09/2007 08:17:32 Originally by: Sergeant Spot Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Sergeant Spot Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 09/09/2007 06:15:59 On the topic: Yep, when I read about the possiblity of a Covert Ops Battleship, my thought too was "damn isk farmers are gonna cream themselves....." While a Covert Ops BS would have uses for real players too, I'd really like to see some anti isk farmer tools that would make it usless to isk farmers. (easier said than done, I know, but its still what I'd like to see....) On the "other" topic of this thread: Usually (almost always, although admittedly not 100% of the time) the morons that cry "racism" or "sexism" are in truth the REAL filthy bigots. Fortunately present day society seems to be beginning to wake up on this issue. The race husslers have numbered days. Already they are taken less and less seriously. Oh Sergeant Spot, how the mighty have fallen. Quote: For the record, I don't normally forum war. But now and then I see some argument where one side has a basic thrust so incredibly stupid as to be insulting by its mere existance, even if it has no impact on me or my play. I then take a bit of fun riping the idiot's argument to shreds. (Pure ego on my part, but I admit it to myself.) In this case, added to the stupidity of the Goons attempting to defend the undefendable, is the wretchness of the whole thing. ABOVE ALL, their attempts to blame BoB for calling them on the issue warrents extreme abuse. Their attempts to defend the issue by blaming BoB only dig them deeper. While I expect to be to busy in game to really do serious forum fighting, I'll be sure to kick the goons around a bit now and then. Despite your admission that you don't "forum war," I found eight pages of polemic, and not the satiric kind which you still don't grasp in the least, but the genuine keyboard smashing rage kind. And generally when you're trying to get your Socratic irony on, it's advisable to play it straight the whole way through. It just comes off as petualant anger when you go from high mocking to outright namecalin nd yuor posts turn into' this hasty mes of typos. Not sure what you mean. In the first quote of me, I'm slamming race husslers. In the 2nd quote, I'm slamming goons for NEVER actually addressing the issue of many of their members, over extended time, repeatedly mocking the real life death of a player. Heck, I was convoed three times myself before I even knew there was an issue. Not sure what relationship you see. Are you saying that race hussling is ok, and/or are you saying its ok to mock the real life death of players or their family members? As for me forum warring, if you read what I posted, you'll find my posting history fits it well. Months with nothing, and then I stomp on an idiot. double you tee eff is race hussling. This is probably the dumbest term I have ever heard. Also sergeant spot unlike the cool, ironically hip and humorous racism of goonswarm you are just the sort of insane, blue-collar racist you see on tv talking about how muslims need to be exterminated and mexicans should be shot at the border. By the way it's spelled hustling.
Sapphrine 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.09.10 08:20:00 - [105] can we close this thread, transport the 3 or so relevant posts to a new thread and start again minus all the irrelevance? I really dislike the 'signal to noise ratio' of this forum :P
forumus trollus Minmatar We live under bridges inc.	Posted - 2007.09.10 08:24:00 - [106] This thread is like a magical river of chocolate. I swim in it and drink it up. I enjoy the taste
Tiberius Decius Daedalus Initiative Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.10 13:39:00 - [107] 我是买isk。仅5元，为10亿冰岛克朗。你购买，现在给你的特殊处理。 but in all seriousness i get along well with some of the chinese players in the game, there are actual chinese pvp corps out there. I even know a chinese corporation that gets accused so heavily of isk farming, actually has 3 dreadnoughts and a carrier. Lay off the chinese love'n spread the blame for a better world

Valorem Amarr Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.10 14:04:00 - [108] This thread has deteriorated into a racism topic and, as such, will be locked. Please remember that people from all countries on Earth play Eve and racist comments and topics will not be tolerated. Valorem forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website



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