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Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:21:00 - [31] Sometimes I wonder why no one seems to care about repeat threads? I mean, I can understand a few, but.. is it REALLY that hard to reply to an already established thread, instead of making a new one just to complain and go "OMG I CAN'T LOGIN!? Wtf help!!!" People don't bother to care; they can take the time to ***** but they can't reply to an already established thread, instead of posting the 4,875th repeat thread within 2 days.
Thufir Hawats Minmatar Venus Destiny	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Kittamaru sighs Honestly, if any of you think you could do better, go right ahead. As I highly doubt you could, I say shove it you bloody tossers. Sigh, you still didn't get it, you arrgoant pck, but then I didn't expect you to. I don't have to know how to run a nuclear power station, but I expect the people who do to know what they do, it's their JOB. Originally by:** Matthew People are very fond of saying that Eve is not WoW. Well, Eve is not quake either.
Sockdolager	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Trickarius The servers go down for a few hours once a week during patch day? OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS GOING TO END! Get over it, wait it out, and stop your immature ***ing and whining. If you can't handle doing something else for a few hours a week, maybe you should take a look at your priorities? uh huh, if this clashed with your game time period which you were limited to playing on and you were also quite looking froward to playing at thie time, I wonder if you'd have a different response? The world isn't going to end, duh. immature *ing and whining - but you're *ing and whining about the *ing and whining... guess you're no better than the rest of us huh? ** wit
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:23:00 - [34] It's kind of sad that many people have to resort to flaming, instead of simply making their argument and being mature about it. Even if people DO know what they're doing, and it IS their job.. **** happens. Human error is in everything, and things are going to happen. Or perhaps you disagree?
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Thufir Hawats Originally by: Kittamaru sighs Honestly, if any of you think you could do better, go right ahead. As I highly doubt you could, I say shove it you bloody tossers. Sigh, you still didn't get it, you arrgoant p**ck, but then I didn't expect you to. I don't have to know how to run a nuclear power station, but I expect the people who do to know what they do, it's their JOB. That's why over the last weekend, a nuclear power station in Nevada was hacked into and taken complete control of by ONE PERSON... Granted, the guy was HIRED to do so (thank God) but yeah... so apparently even those people don't. That, and Nuclear Power Plant =/= EvE Cluster.
Tevul	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:24:00 - [36] For the anti-haters let me ask you this. When was the last time a SOE server crashed? Or better yet when was the last time a SOE server crashed over and over and over for several days? Answer #1= A LONG time ago. SO long ago in fact I cant remember when the last one was. Answer#2= LMAO never You tards act like its some huge thing to manage a large data base and yet so many companies do it day in and day out with rock solid reliability.
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Sockdolager The world isn't going to end, duh. immature ***ing and whining - but you're *ing and whining about the *ing and whining... guess you're no better than the rest of us huh? wit <sarcasm> Well, it was mature of you to flame me, that makes your argument(s) that much more credible. </sarcasm> And I'd hardly call it *ing and whining about your ***ing and whining, it's more of pointing out the obvious.
scrapironfish	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Kittamaru Heh, Bau Lau, good point as well... Grammar anyone? Honestly, though, in all seriousness, how many of you know what goes into keeping a server cluster like that operational? It isn't as easy as you would think... that's a LOT of data and information to handle, not to mention when BoB and Goon go at it with like, a thousand ships on each side... what do you think that does to TQ? I do not care! That has nothing to do with me. I pay for a service, and expect it to work. If this game is too big for them to handle then they should have never put it on the market.
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:25:00 - [39] Originally by: Sockdolager Originally by: Trickarius The servers go down for a few hours once a week during patch day? OH MY GOD, THE WORLD IS GOING TO END! Get over it, wait it out, and stop your immature ***ing and whining. If you can't handle doing something else for a few hours a week, maybe you should take a look at your priorities? uh huh, if this clashed with your game time period which you were limited to playing on and you were also quite looking froward to playing at thie time, I wonder if you'd have a different response? The world isn't going to end, duh. immature *ing and whining - but you're *ing and whining about the *ing and whining... guess you're no better than the rest of us huh? ** wit Uhm, if it happens, as it is to me right now, I do other stuff... like, for example, I'm playing Supreme Commander and arguing with you guys.
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Sockdolager uh huh, if this clashed with your game time period which you were limited to playing on and you were also quite looking froward to playing at this time, I wonder if you'd have a different response? Also, I do have somewhat limited playing time, but you don't see me *****ing about it. There are many things to do. If you don't have much time, and can't play your MMO because it's down for a few hours for updates, do something else you enjoy?
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:27:00 - [41] Originally by: scrapironfish Originally by: Kittamaru Heh, Bau Lau, good point as well... Grammar anyone? Honestly, though, in all seriousness, how many of you know what goes into keeping a server cluster like that operational? It isn't as easy as you would think... that's a LOT of data and information to handle, not to mention when BoB and Goon go at it with like, a thousand ships on each side... what do you think that does to TQ? I do not care! That has nothing to do with me. I pay for a service, and expect it to work. If this game is too big for them to handle then they should have never put it on the market. I pay Penndot to fix potholes... it takes time... I pay Taxes to keep my country safe... yet today is the anniversary of a TERRIBLE attack on our civilians... I PAY taxes to ******* LIVE IN MY OWN HOUSE. I don't want to HEAR that you are MAD because you have to PAY FOR A GAME that isn't working 24/7...
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Tevul When was the last time a SOE server crashed? Or better yet when was the last time a SOE server crashed over and over and over for several days? Answer #1= A LONG time ago. SO long ago in fact I cant remember when the last one was. Answer#2= LMAO never Sure SOE's servers are reliable, but they ruin every game that they touch. I'd rather play a great game with iffy reliability at certain times than a horrible game with great reliability.
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Trickarius Originally by: Tevul When was the last time a SOE server crashed? Or better yet when was the last time a SOE server crashed over and over and over for several days? Answer #1= A LONG time ago. SO long ago in fact I cant remember when the last one was. Answer#2= LMAO never Sure SOE's servers are reliable, but they ruin every game that they touch. I'd rather play a great game with iffy reliability at certain times than a horrible game with great reliability. SoE... wtf.. how DARE you compare CCP to SOE...
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Kittamaru I pay Penndot to fix potholes... it takes time... I pay Taxes to keep my country safe... yet today is the anniversary of a TERRIBLE attack on our civilians... I PAY taxes to ******* LIVE IN MY OWN HOUSE. I don't want to HEAR that you are MAD because you have to PAY FOR A GAME that isn't working 24/7... I definitely agree with this one.
Tevul	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Kittamaru Originally by: Trickarius Originally by: Tevul When was the last time a SOE server crashed? Or better yet when was the last time a SOE server crashed over and over and over for several days? Answer #1= A LONG time ago. SO long ago in fact I cant remember when the last one was. Answer#2= LMAO never Sure SOE's servers are reliable, but they ruin every game that they touch. I'd rather play a great game with iffy reliability at certain times than a horrible game with great reliability. SoE... wtf.. how DARE you compare CCP to SOE... Blow me
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:31:00 - [46] Edited by: Trickarius on 11/09/2007 22:32:17 Originally by: Kittamaru Originally by: Trickarius Originally by: Tevul When was the last time a SOE server crashed? Or better yet when was the last time a SOE server crashed over and over and over for several days? Answer #1= A LONG time ago. SO long ago in fact I cant remember when the last one was. Answer#2= LMAO never Sure SOE's servers are reliable, but they ruin every game that they touch. I'd rather play a great game with iffy reliability at certain times than a horrible game with great reliability. SoE... wtf.. how DARE you compare CCP to SOE... Honestly, I don't understand the mentality behind people who like SOE and their games. In my opinion, they run every one of the games they get involved with into the ground. Sure, some of them have tons of subscribers, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the game is GOOD. (ie: World of Warcrap)
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:34:00 - [47] It's like EA games... they're fine so LONG as they stay as a DISTRIBUTER and have NOTHING to do with the creation or upkeep of a game...
scrapironfish	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:34:00 - [48] HAHAH i jsut realized how stupid half the people here are. You guys are totaly missing the point.
Gaige Gamba	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:36:00 - [49] Edited by: Gaige Gamba on 11/09/2007 22:36:27 Originally by: Kittamaru Originally by: scrapironfish Originally by: Kittamaru Heh, Bau Lau, good point as well... Grammar anyone? Honestly, though, in all seriousness, how many of you know what goes into keeping a server cluster like that operational? It isn't as easy as you would think... that's a LOT of data and information to handle, not to mention when BoB and Goon go at it with like, a thousand ships on each side... what do you think that does to TQ? I do not care! That has nothing to do with me. I pay for a service, and expect it to work. If this game is too big for them to handle then they should have never put it on the market. I pay Penndot to fix potholes... it takes time... I pay Taxes to keep my country safe... yet today is the anniversary of a TERRIBLE attack on our civilians... I PAY taxes to ***** LIVE IN MY OWN HOUSE. I don't want to HEAR that you are MAD because you have to PAY FOR A GAME that isn't working 24/7... Fortunately for you, you don't have to hear a thing! It is all pixels on a screen after all. And lol at your argument... "gais, z happening irl, you should all shut up nao kthx nubz! I PAY TAXES, HERE MEE RAWR!!!11" edit: On a side note, I am loving all the nonesensical flames flying around, including my own. Please don't stop. ~ Originally by:** "Straygun" Well server down->troll mode on.
Straygun	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:39:00 - [50] Edited by: Straygun on 11/09/2007 22:40:34 Edited by: Straygun on 11/09/2007 22:39:36 It's OK. Whine and troll as much as you like the mods will prolly just delete all the topics about the server crashes. Then their logs will trully show nothing. As a matter of fact I expect this forum to be locked any second now .
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Kittamaru You based your argument off of "I pay money thus I expect service" I based a counter argument off of "I pay money and sometimes service takes TIME" Just by reading this, it's obvious that the latter makes more sense.
scrapironfish	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:40:00 - [52] I agree "service" takes time. But you have to get service to call it service.
Inevitable Doom	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:41:00 - [53] Hey, you gotta admit these threads are a funny way to pass the time whilst the server is down, especially the people who whine in a creative and humorous way. This game is fantastic, the only reason you guys are moaning so much is because you are hooked on the games complexity, but you have to realise such a game comes at a technological price. The technology to create a completely stable server that never crashes hasn't been invented yet and unfortunately as I'm sure you'll all appreciate being hard core gamers, system crashes have been with us since the very first computer games were invented. When we hand over our subscription fee its not the hardware we are paying for, its the game. I'm sure you'll all agree that a game this good is worth the annoyance of a few crashes and the more times it crashes the more chance the engineers working on the problem will find the cause and fix it indefinately. I'm not on my high horse, I'm just saying be thankful that such a game exists in the first place and be patient with the creative developers who made it possible.
Thufir Hawats Minmatar Venus Destiny	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Trickarius ... but they still manage to do a damn good job with what they handle.... And that's where our opinions diverge. A company the bases its whole existence on one single online game should do better, especially in the QA departement. Right now it looks like a lot of trial-and-error and bandaids (quick and dirty) to fix problems. Originally by: Matthew People are very fond of saying that Eve is not WoW. Well, Eve is not quake either.
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Thufir Hawats Well, you guys are right. Eve != Car, Eve != Power station, but Eve != other MMO also, and EvE != good service. You have to admit that it's getting out of hand since Rev2. Friends of mine have lost stuff, I know of an Alliance that lost the executor corp and is now blocked for far longer than a week but petitions don't help because support is completely overwhelmed by all the issues of the recent "patches". And now crashes several times a day, I wonder how you can stay calm? Did you only want to check some sell orders? Or are you one of those people that always have to take the opposing sides? Anyway, in a way you reached your goal, people are now flaming you instead of CCP. But then it's all in vain because CCP anyway doesn't read these threads, and that's OK because they better fix the problems. Actually, i play EvE quite nicely for a few hours at a time when my university work permits. All without lag or connection issues... I have done this the better part of the last three months. Consider I have been playing eve for a little over two years... i started back when Domi's could field ten heavy drones and thoraxes could fly around with ten small drones chewing thru all sorts of enemies. I have been with CCP thru good and bad and ya know what? Yeah, at times it's frustrating... but that's when I remember these key words. It Is A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If you don't like paying for something that is imperfect, then stop. It's a simple solution isn't it?
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:44:00 - [56] Originally by: scrapironfish I agree "service" takes time. But you have to get service to call it service. That isn't even a smart argument, now you're just back to random bashing without any backing. Tell me you're joking? Service DOES take time, and you can't sit there and tell us that you haven't gotten any service. Just by maintaining 100,000 subscribers, maintaining the servers in an updated condition and regular patching is service enough on a broad level, not to mention fixing the servers when they go down and idiots like you flame and spam the forums with thoughtless threads and posts. Realistically, CCP probably doesn't even get to read any of the threads on here, and all of the whining is no more than a fickle attempt to direct your frustration on others, rather than relax and realize that THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. You get into a car wreck, your car's totaled: your mechanic will have the car fixed in 2 hours? Don't think so. (and don't give me any BS about a temporary rental car, because I anticipate it coming and that's irrelevant in this comparison)
Kittamaru Gallente TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:46:00 - [57] Originally by: Thufir Hawats Originally by: Trickarius ... but they still manage to do a damn good job with what they handle.... And that's where our opinions diverge. A company the bases its whole existence on one single online game should do better, especially in the QA departement. Right now it looks like a lot of trial-and-error and bandaids (quick and dirty) to fix problems. Problem is, CCP is also a relatively small company. They also are doing something that, as far as I can tell, NOBODY has done before. They are pioneering... having this many people on one server able to interact at one time... it's an awsome, new thing. How many of you knew that EvE was around almost eight years ago... and it flopped. HARD. I forget who was the developers at the time... but CCP came and worked their ass off to make the EvE that was released I believe five years ago. I played the ORIGINAL "EvE" beta all those years ago. It's a foggy memory but you know... they have come a DAMN long way since then.
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Inevitable Doom Hey, you gotta admit these threads are a funny way to pass the time whilst the server is down, especially the people who whine in a creative and humorous way. This game is fantastic, the only reason you guys are moaning so much is because you are hooked on the games complexity, but you have to realise such a game comes at a technological price. The technology to create a completely stable server that never crashes hasn't been invented yet and unfortunately as I'm sure you'll all appreciate being hard core gamers, system crashes have been with us since the very first computer games were invented. When we hand over our subscription fee its not the hardware we are paying for, its the game. I'm sure you'll all agree that a game this good is worth the annoyance of a few crashes and the more times it crashes the more chance the engineers working on the problem will find the cause and fix it indefinately. I'm not on my high horse, I'm just saying be thankful that such a game exists in the first place and be patient with the creative developers who made it possible. Good points.
Trickarius	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:49:00 - [59] First 22:00, then 23:00, now 23:30. I'm not going to lie, I'm definitely somewhat frustrated, but I understand, and I'm being patient. Most of my play-time tonight is gone, but there's always tomorrow, right? The more time they have, the less they have to rush, and the better able they are to fix the problem(s).
Jonny Lumi	Posted - 2007.09.11 22:51:00 - [60] Generally, some people seems to think that todays technology is perfect, and does not cause malfunctions on its own. Well. It would be great, but its never gonna happen. Btw, about same time the server crashed, i noticed that also my ISP cut the network from me. Well, i headed out to go buy some cigarettes, and noticed that the nearest cash machine announced "Cannot connect to your bank.". This must be some conspiracy thing.

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