Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: sableye

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people fear change

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Originally by: Zephite

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Originally by: sableye

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people fear change

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Bingo. People fear that Eve could turn out to be like all those other fantasy rpg's with the release of walking in stations.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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I also like to wear boxer-shorts that are pink, yes pink, and have little glow in the dark alien heads on it, and it does not detract from my masculinity.

So, there.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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I also like to wear boxer-shorts that are pink, yes pink, and have little glow in the dark alien heads on it, and it does not detract from my masculinity.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
You all obviously need more accounts!

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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No. It's because they cannot see what it will add to the game apart from eye candy, and Eve is so much more than just another game filled with meaningless eye candy.

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Originally by: Xaen

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I don't hate it, I just don't care about it even slightly.

I'd rather have one spelling/display error corrected in in game text than have ambulation.

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Originally by: Shiodome

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i guess because people would prefer CCP to fix the existing problems with the game before adding new ones.

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Originally by: Makoto Priano

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As they're already developing this for the WoD MMOG, it makes sense developmentally to make it compatible with EVE.

Further, I like the idea of owning my own club, and having a snazzy corporate office for PTSSS. In fact, I'm left wondering how I'm going to brand it all! Do I do a smokey gambling joint? A clean-cut corporate club? A dark and intimate club with private rooms for Caldari loyalists or corporate meetings? Or do I do opulence?

Further, how do I make money on this all? ;D

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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See, if these whiners would take the time to read dev blogs and interviews and such, they would realize that ambulation is much, much more than walking eye candy. The concepts of corporate offices with npc greeters that will run through a programmable dialog tree, personal stores, bars, casinos, ect are going to open up whole new areas of game play.

It's going to be *****in' and I can't wait.

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Originally by: Makoto Priano

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As they're already developing this for the WoD MMOG, it makes sense developmentally to make it compatible with EVE.

Further, I like the idea of owning my own club, and having a snazzy corporate office for PTSSS. In fact, I'm left wondering how I'm going to brand it all! Do I do a smokey gambling joint? A clean-cut corporate club? A dark and intimate club with private rooms for Caldari loyalists or corporate meetings? Or do I do opulence?

Further, how do I make money on this all? ;D

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Originally by: Dristra

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Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Corporate offices - already exist

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Whole new areas of gameplay - where?

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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hookers, and beer?

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: Dristra

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Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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It is not free of charge, we pay a monthly sub fee, which funds development (all development). Some people would prefer that that money was used to augment the team that fixes bugs, lag, etc rather than hiring a new team to do ambulation.

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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stuff

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Corporate offices - already exist

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An icon with your corp name and description under some tab in station is hardly what I, nor CCP, have in mind.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website

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In game, in station greeters will market to the casual browser. Your website will only get hits from corp members, war targets, or people you send that way. Also, IGB and OOG links take away from immersion.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol

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This is the attitude that kills me. Where has is ever been stated that stores can only sell clothes and puppies and sunshine? Why not battleships, implants, hookers, and beer?

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites

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The immersion issue again, as well as the added security that will come with a CCP endorsed gambling venue. Harder to scam.

Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Whole new areas of gameplay - where?

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By areas, I meant types.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Fixing bugs is not a problem solved by simply throwing more people at it, in fact it can have the opposite effect of slowing things down or introducing even more bugs.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Meh..

Reasonable responses and that's why I'm undecided.

IF:-

Shops can sell all commodities - that would rock tbh, cos you could hook people into being regular buyers for your sets of stuff or customized (rigged) ships

Decor costs real cash - that would rock cos if you're filthy rich like me you can show it off

CCP eventually introduce bipedal combat - r0xx00r!

So yeah, there is potential but it's still a worrying development for the reason that it could all just go Sims up!

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Originally by: Tunak

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Talking out of ass

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Originally by: Tunak

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They could be working on other things or they could be fired and the money used to hire people who could add meaningful content to the game.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Read a few articles on the features of ambulation before you open your ass checks to spew your ignorant babble please.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Fixing bugs is not a problem solved by simply throwing more people at it, in fact it can have the opposite effect of slowing things down or introducing even more bugs.

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Correct not "simply", but more resources being made available to bugs makes it much easier to solve them. Also, while it "can" have the opposite effect, it doesn't have to if those resources are properly managed and the scope isn't allowed to creep into new features.

Basically, the issue is that the "resources" should remain focused on the current issues, before they are freed up to start creating new features.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Read a few articles on the features of ambulation before you open your ass checks to spew your ignorant babble please.

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Links please.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Originally by: Xaen

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I don't hate it, I just don't care about it even slightly.

I'd rather have one spelling/display error corrected in in game text than have ambulation.

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You say you don't care for it even slightly, yet in this and the "will ambulation work with dx10 only" you post, just to tell us you don't care, oooo, the paradox.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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How do you know said resources are not being properly managed? Fixing bugs does not work to any set time scale.

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As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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Because people have a stunning lack of understaning about how software development works. They have the notion that adding more chefs will infact make the broth better. They are computer gamers! They prbably even looked at a PHP for dummies book once! Of course they know more about software development than profesionals who stake there wages on it!

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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Because people have a stunning lack of understaning about how software development works. They have the notion that adding more chefs will infact make the broth better. They are computer gamers! They prbably even looked at a PHP for dummies book once! Of course they know more about software development than profesionals who stake there wages on it!

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I'll wager my bloated software professional wage that I know more about it than you.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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Because people have a stunning lack of understaning about how software development works. They have the notion that adding more chefs will infact make the broth better. They are computer gamers! They prbably even looked at a PHP for dummies book once! Of course they know more about software development than profesionals who stake there wages on it!

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I'll wager my bloated software professional wage that I know more about it than you.

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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That wasnt actually aimed at you But you must know what it is like to drag more staff onto a project that is allready behind schedule?

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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As for the rest it's been stated constantly from the start that the people and resources involved in development have little or nothing to do with those involved in bug fixing as they often require completely different tools and skills (you wouldn't want the graphics designer fixing code bugs unless you were bonkers).

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That's not a valid argument. If they don't have the tools or skills to work on bugs they can be fired and the money can be used to hire people or buy tools.

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Originally by: Xaen

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A better analogy for software engineering is: Nine women can't make a baby in one month. Same goes for any smallish software project. Bigger (vastly more complex) ones can go faster with more people.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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It's a perfectly valid argument . . .

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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When you consider the fact that as far as I am aware ambulation is allmost a sidetrack of code that is in development for another non eve project, that money is allready factored in and being spent. Ambulation allows that money to work for eve aswell as the other game in development.

Ambulation will help attract more gamers = more money = more staff if and when they are needed.

Of course I have no idea what sort of cash flow CCP have so maybe it is a moot point

It seems to me at least that we should all be pleased. CCP are throwing the eve online userbase a bone. Unless my drunken mind is playing tricks and ambulation has nothing to do with any other development projects.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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It's a perfectly valid argument . . .

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No it's not. Your argument relies on the stipulation that the ambulation people can only be working on ambulation. They could be doing _something_ else.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Rebuttal

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Originally by: Tunak

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no new content ... no functionality gain ... current system ... complete waste ... what's the point ... not new content ... with text chat for literally decades. Once again no new functionality.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Custimization of ship exterior should be placed way in front of having fashion shows.

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.

Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.

If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.

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Originally by: Azrael Maxim

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Its going to be great, I just think back on games like privateer and freelancer, especially privateer 2 with filmed footage of stations and bars with Clive Owen playing you that was just awesome.

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Originally by: Sister Impotentata

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Ambulations? Lemme gotta tell you 'bout ambulations. Seems like every time I'm about to dock, along comes one of these ambulations with the lights aflicker and the sy-reens blaring. And I gotta pull over and miss a cycle or else CONCORDE gonna gimme a hard time and then my insurance goes up for six years. All because of ambulations.

Don't even get me started on Absolutions. That's Amarr only and not for a couple patches.

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Originally by: zeeZ Exus

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Since you don't seem to care about that odd stuff called immersion and roleplayers (zomg yes, backstory and news are a waste of our money too)

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Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.

Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.

If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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yet they want to attract another 50,000 sims online morons to their game

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Edited by: Wild Rho on 14/09/2007 21:51:11

Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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It's a perfectly valid argument . . .

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No it's not. Your argument relies on the stipulation that the ambulation people can only be working on ambulation. They could be doing _something_ else.

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Except ambulation is being developed by the team working on CCPs new MMO with the ambulation project being a bonus addition to Eve since the technology's there and being developed.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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thoughtless fan boi babble

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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or

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So being repeatedly told by CCP staffers that a different group is working on Ambulation is not OK?

Because, you know...that is where those of us that PAY ATTENTION got that kind of info.

And what does reading comprehension have to do with psychology?

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Originally by: BubbaZanetti

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Originally by: zeeZ Exus

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Since you don't seem to care about that odd stuff called immersion and roleplayers (zomg yes, backstory and news are a waste of our money too)

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You realize ambulation is going to be the worst possible thing ever for immersion and role play, right?

Go play any other mmo with avatars representing characters.

Inevitably you find ******** asshats dancing, jumping, corpse humping, lolzor'ing, standing in fire, running in circles, playing hopscotch, and any other of a number of completely assinine things.

Even with CCP having sworn they won't put in any dancing emotes, people will find a way to be ******* morons. Someone will find a way to get twenty guys line dancing on the concourse in Jita IV 4.

I play this game largely because I don't have to put up with stupid crap like that. It's just cut throat economics and blowing people up. No dumbass "social interaction."

The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

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Originally by: Giatshi

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SWG Praise

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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.

Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.

If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.

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So being repeatedly told by CCP staffers that a different group is working on Ambulation is not OK?

Because, you know...that is where those of us that PAY ATTENTION got that kind of info.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.

Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.

If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.

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You don't need to walk their offices to know they don't have enough resources working on bugs and lag, all you need to do is attempt to log into Jita or engage in fleet warefare.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Edited by: Wild Rho on 14/09/2007 21:51:11

Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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It's a perfectly valid argument . . .

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No it's not. Your argument relies on the stipulation that the ambulation people can only be working on ambulation. They could be doing _something_ else.

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Except ambulation is being developed by the team working on CCPs new MMO with the ambulation project being a bonus addition to Eve since the technology's there and being developed.

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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Do we really need more dudes that drool over guys playing as (simulated) females?

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Originally by: BubbaZanetti

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Originally by: zeeZ Exus

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The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.

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*Hugs Bubba* Will you marry me bubba?

Originally by: judes23

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Ambulation - what does this word mean?

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Originally by: judes23

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Ambulation - what does this word mean?

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Originally by: judes23

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Ambulation - what does this word mean?

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Originally by: Dristra

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Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...
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Yes, but they spend money on it that could be spend on fixing what we have, and I dont have any need to be able to leave my pod, for me EVE is all about flying a spaceship, trying to kill another spaceship

Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or

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Sounds like the stations should be compact enough that we can comport ourselves like rational people, not marathoners.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Why do people hate ambulation? Why is this?

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Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Sorry, what? Let's check that list again..

Corporate offices - already exist
NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website
Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol
Bars - looool - drink pixels and pretend they're tasty!
Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites
Whole new areas of gameplay - where?

Don't get me wrong, I'm undecided, but I have yet to see what it will add to strategic gameplay.

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: Dristra

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Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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It is not free of charge, we pay a monthly sub fee, which funds development (all development). Some people would prefer that that money was used to augment the team that fixes bugs, lag, etc rather than hiring a new team to do ambulation.

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Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...

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Originally by: Petrothian Tong

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guys..

remember, CCP is working on WOD (World of Darkness? some vampire MMO)..


This is just a testbed for them... and it has potential for eve too...

If they get this right, think what it could lead to... planetary warfare...

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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker

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well in theory a perfect game would allow full planetary space and station warfare to all mingle. fine an enemy corp base hidden on a moon, have your more FPS skilled players plant a becon and have someone in their orbiting dread bombard that location when the dropship clears the surface....

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Originally by: Patch86

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Which is *******s really. Not only does Ambulation have little or no effect on the current EVE game, but it is something new and extra. For FREE.

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Originally by: Tauscha Vald'or

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Sounds like the stations should be compact enough that we can comport ourselves like rational people, not marathoners.

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Are you familiar with something called planetside? It was a giant planetary warfare MMO. It was cool and all but it's not EVE and if you want that you should just play it and leave EVE alone.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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If you'd like to see how well that idea has flown in the past, do some searching for Battlecruiser 3000AD, a legendary bomb of a PC game.

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Originally by: Grendelsbane

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People whine about it because

(1) They want CCP to devote time to fixing things now rather than making new things. This is at least understandable.

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(2) They're too unimaginative to understand the communications possibilities you can build into something like that.

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(3) They too poor/lazy to get a new PC that can handle the sort of graphics they're showing.

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Originally by: Mostinius

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Aye, true - I was thinking BC3000 myself. However, I was thinking of it as it should've been, rather than as it was. BC3000's problems didn't come of it being a bad idea, but from it being produced by a guy trying to do the bedroom-coder thing with a pretty epic concept. The game was riddled with bugs and the creator either didn't have the skill or the time to resolve them. The company's unapproachable attitude and (in many people's experience) refusal or inability to provide customer support didn't help that game or its variants either.

BC3000 was a great idea, and if anyone were able to produce a solid, working version of it then I'm sure it would sell well. Perhaps they might need to choose a different name, though. I suggest Battlestar Galactica, if anyone's thinking about it... It's about time there was a decent game there.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: Mostinius

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Aye, true - I was thinking BC3000 myself. However, I was thinking of it as it should've been, rather than as it was. BC3000's problems didn't come of it being a bad idea, but from it being produced by a guy trying to do the bedroom-coder thing with a pretty epic concept. The game was riddled with bugs and the creator either didn't have the skill or the time to resolve them. The company's unapproachable attitude and (in many people's experience) refusal or inability to provide customer support didn't help that game or its variants either.

BC3000 was a great idea, and if anyone were able to produce a solid, working version of it then I'm sure it would sell well. Perhaps they might need to choose a different name, though. I suggest Battlestar Galactica, if anyone's thinking about it... It's about time there was a decent game there.

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Agreed. It was a great idea that was hampered by a decade + dev cycle. If you were to take some pros and recode it nowadays, and call it "Warship 3100CE", I'd buy it.

The real underlying problem that comes in is that your average capital ship could pretty much sterilize a planet in short order. Hell, a titan can just fly near a planet and wreak untold destruction. I don't care what mechanic you put in place to discourage this sort of behavior, someone will grief regardless. So, picture your little spy op, where you're breaking into a corporate building to steal a blueprint or war plans, and suddenly... some jerk-off with a few bil to burn melts the entire continent. And if you don't allow this level of interaction, you're basically playing Planetside + EVE.

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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Jita is a VERY bad example to use for this argument. I don't see why 500-600 idiots who mostly sit around idle in one system and then come onto the forum to cry about the lag there should be a top priority to CCP.

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That aside, how do you know they don't have the right amount of resources working on those problems? Don't you think if it was a simple matter of throwing more people onto it, it would have been fixed a LONG TIME AGO?

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Unlike some people on these boards, i am not going to pretend I am an expert but something tells me it is a bit more complicated than simply adding more people.

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Maybe that is how you guys fight your battles in game {by throwing vast numbers of bodies into the fray} but that doesn't mean it is the way to fix EvE's lag problems.

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Originally by: Grendelsbane

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(2) They're too unimaginative to understand the communications possibilities you can build into something like that.

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Originally by: shaunc

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i remember reading a dev interview where it was stated ambulation was optional, you would still be able to do everything as you do now, you'll just have the option to walk in station IF you want to.

so there you go. nothing is being forced on anyone, if you dont want to take part dont, if you do, do.

Lets just wait and see what they come up with before ripping the a*se out of it

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Originally by: Harm Gently

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Edited by: Harm Gently on 14/09/2007 20:41:13
If it's done badly, we'll just end up with a whole bunch of ppl docked up forever and kind of playing another game. This would be almost like sharding the server but we'd end up with thousands of different shards, which none of us really wants, do we?

At least, thats my worst fear about it.
However, they might have said this isn't going to be the case already. I don't know since I havent read much about it.

Edit: spelling

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Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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No. It's because they cannot see what it will add to the game apart from eye candy, and Eve is so much more than just another game filled with meaningless eye candy.

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See, if these whiners would take the time to read dev blogs and interviews and such, they would realize that ambulation is much, much more than walking eye candy. The concepts of corporate offices with npc greeters that will run through a programmable dialog tree, personal stores, bars, casinos, ect are going to open up whole new areas of game play.

It's going to be *****in' and I can't wait.

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Sorry, what? Let's check that list again..

Corporate offices - already exist
NPC greeters - no function that isn't covered by a website
Personal stores - selling what exactly? Clothes? lol
Bars - looool - drink pixels and pretend they're tasty!
Casinos - Yeah maybe but again already covered by IGB sites
Whole new areas of gameplay - where?

Don't get me wrong, I'm undecided, but I have yet to see what it will add to strategic gameplay.

Now if you're into roleplaying, which I am, then it may add something, but Eve has always been more than mere pantomime.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto

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Because we already have enough "players" in this game that think of it as nothing more than a chatroom with a fancy gui. They also think that the only point to gaming is to hit on dudes that pretend to be chicks online.

This is why they create BS terms like "pvp" so they can then deem themselves "non-pvpers" and thus non-combatants(as if such a role could ever exist in a video game). This allows them to go hit on dudes all the time instead of actually playing.

Do we really need more dudes that ..

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Originally by: DubanFP

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Honestly I don't complain about ambulation. It really is just eye-candy, but as long as it's not taking away from EVE there's no point complaining about it either. It's there for those who use it, and yet easily ignored for those who don't use it.

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Originally by: Missy X

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Ambulation will be the best thing that ever happened to EVE. It will completely revolutionise the way that the game is played (even if optional), in many, blatantly obvious ways which do not need clarification.

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Quote:

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Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Originally by: Petrothian Tong

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guys..

remember, CCP is working on WOD (World of Darkness? some vampire MMO)..


This is just a testbed for them... and it has potential for eve too...

If they get this right, think what it could lead to... planetary warfare...

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Are you familiar with something called planetside? It was a giant planetary warfare MMO. It was cool and all but it's not EVE and if you want that you should just play it and leave EVE alone. If planetary warfare were to be realistic in any way than a single Dreadnought could utterly devastate and depopulate a fully developed world in a few hours so there wouldn't be much of a point...Oh the enemy has routed our fleet and we have to withdraw from this system, well then order the capitals to destroy that world on our way out...basically every fight for a major planet would end that way.

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Originally by: Big Al

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Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Whenever ambulation is brought up, there is a torrent of whines, and people almost claiming that they will quit eve if ambulation arrives.

Why is this?
Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Because people will whine about anything. And seems to have this idea that only one thing can happen at a time. And if it isn't the one thing they want, then the temper tantrum comes.

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Originally by: Dristra

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Ambulation is developed by a different group than the people in charge of fixing drones, lag, and the ui anyways...

So it is basicaly just more content, free of charge.

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Originally by: Erlik Draknor

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Because they need to fix the lag and bugs before working on some worthless add on bull**** wow like content.

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 16/09/2007 06:46:30
Hmm let's see:

1. It adds nothing realy meaningfull to the game. Just a prettier graphical chat interface.
2. It has to run somewhere. Means CCP has to spend money on it. Means spending money on a feature that is optional. Do you see the wasted resource ?
3. It has to be integrated with EVE, just because it will use EVE data (corp info, station info, avatar info, chat channels etc.). This means a lot more bug entry points will exist. Even if they are handled by that separate team that's creating Ambulation, they will be seen as EVE bugs. So expect lot more whines and petitions etc. Also more management resources are needed just to sort them out.
4. It is a sidetrack from the main EVE theme. And as such is not needed. If you want a full body avatar, feel free to pick any other MMO out there. We do not need more WoW kiddies here.

that's all atm ...

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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CCP didn't have to hire these people.

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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more people to fix lag

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Originally by: Jeff Strain

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Finally, you can make everyone happy, but you can't make everyone happy all the time. It is risky to try to make decisions that appeal to all players equally. Don't fall into the trap of making decisions based on what causes the least amount of pain, because this can lead to a game that is just kind of "okay" and doesn't really excite anybody. When you have a large, active, and passionate player base, every decision you make, every change to the game, no matter how convinced you are that it makes the game strictly better, will **** someone off, and they'll post about it, blog about it, rant to the press about it, loudly and publicly predict that this is the "beginning of the end" of your game, and send hate mail to your community and support teams. MMO developers have to have thick skins, but always remember that if one of your players is angry with you, it is because he really cares about the game, and that's much healthier for you than apathy. Go with your instincts and make the right decision for your game.

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Originally by: Missy X

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Ambulation will be the best thing that ever happened to EVE. It will completely revolutionise the way that the game is played (even if optional), in many, blatantly obvious ways which do not need clarification.

The only thing that I worry about is will the servers be able to handle the extra subscriber load that ambulation will generate? For every person that I know personally who is (needlessly) upset about ambulation, I know another three who wish to become EVE subscribers but steadfastly refuse to do so until ambulation arrives.

And anyone who says "fix the game before adding new stuff" is just frankly not thinking before they type. Big games companies don't work like that, and we ALL know this, because it's been discussed ad infinitum elsewhere. Getting the "new stuff" guys to do what the "bugfix" guys do would be like getting your plumber to do your accounting. Sure, some plumbers are accountants too - but you're more than likely to just wind up with ***** on your tax return.

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Originally by: Roy Batty68

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I'm not reading this entire thread, so sorry if this has already been said.

I think the Walking in Stations thing is necessary for EVE to really grow out of its niche market some.

I think it will definitely make the game more appealing to a wider sector of MMO subscribers.

I believe CCP when they say that ambulation environments will be run on separate servers or nodes and therefore will not add to lag.

However
The game already has performance issues. Appealing to more players is likely to lead to greater numbers of concurrent logins. More logged on at the same time, given the current conditions, is still likely to lead to more lag issues even if they aren't directly related to walking an avatar around.

New subscribers may be drawn in by the flashy new avatars, but CCP has said that this waling in stations thing is going to be totally optional content. That pretty much says to me that it will be far and away from being the "main game". The primary content of the game will still be flying and dying in space. So... new people come to the game, ooo and ah over the avatars, get bored with that and jump in a ship. Great. Ambulation environments run lag free but now there's more people in game and likely more clogging up the same old systems.

What if 2 months after ambulation release the new concurrent login record is 60K? Does anyone here think there will be less lag?


Ambulation looks cool. I think it's a necessary evolutionary step for them to take. I just don't think their servers are ready for it.

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Originally by: Terianna Eri

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For all of you worried about people doing silly, unusual, immature things:

We are pod-pilots. In-game, we kill hundreds of thousands of people on a regular basis. We are immortal until our minds cannot be cloned.

Who is to say that we wouldn't all be rather warped because of that?

I'm INCREDIBLY excited for this, for any number of reasons. The biggest is that I'm endlessly fascinated by the sense of scale in EVE, and I want to get out of my pod, turn around, and look at my battleship that's three times the length of the empire state building and roughly as tall.

If you don't think that's cool, and don't want the experience of walking around the stations, fine, don't. But if CCP is going to be developing the technology ANYWAY, and if EVE can support it ANYWAY, then, well, why the hell not?

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Originally by: Usarua

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Of course, those of us prognosticating its lifespan on the attention of core Eve players will be proven correct

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Originally by: Hasak Rain

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I also love these posters who try to act like they know exactly how CCP runs their shops and how many people they have working on each part of the game.

Until you show me a picture of you in their offices or HQ, just shut up about how they are allocating their manpower. You are just as idiotic as all the armchair Psychologists on this board.

If half of you were actually what you pretended to be, you might actually be able to get a real job.

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Originally by: zeeZ Exus

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Originally by: Usarua

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Of course, those of us prognosticating its lifespan on the attention of core Eve players will be proven correct

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Funny how everyone seems to be able to predict the future these days. Pics or it didn't happen? Oh wait.. it hasn't happened yet, my bad

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Originally by: BubbaZanetti

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Originally by: zeeZ Exus

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Since you don't seem to care about that odd stuff called immersion and roleplayers (zomg yes, backstory and news are a waste of our money too)

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You realize ambulation is going to be the worst possible thing ever for immersion and role play, right?

Go play any other mmo with avatars representing characters.

Inevitably you find ******** asshats dancing, jumping, corpse humping, lolzor'ing, standing in fire, running in circles, playing hopscotch, and any other of a number of completely assinine things.

Even with CCP having sworn they won't put in any dancing emotes, people will find a way to be ******* morons. Someone will find a way to get twenty guys line dancing on the concourse in Jita IV 4.

I play this game largely because I don't have to put up with stupid crap like that. It's just cut throat economics and blowing people up. No dumbass "social interaction."

The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.

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Originally by: Usarua

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since its still going to be mainly a space shooting strategy and numbers crunching game, its not getting out of its niche with a 10% dilution. in fact, it may attract the wrong type of people, or even those ill informed of what the game really is. as such, they'll likely play for a little while, and then get bored and leave. the CAPITAL CCP has spent on this project isnt justified by the returns. people who play the game for what it is will play. those that come because "ooh cool its a new feature in a game I didnt want to play before it got put in" will still play a bit and leave.

and hasnt the Pbase risen from a few thousand to around 150k? its having no trouble growing in its "niche", and I for one dont want the singularity of this game to be compromised because of a few whiners who say they want "ambulation" because they're teenagers who dont know what they really want, except some excuse to play a game they arent interested in. imo, people who lie to themselves generally arent the ones to get reliable product enhancement ideas from.

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Originally by: Xaen

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Originally by: milinkoee

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Originally by: MITSUK0

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Because people have a stunning lack of understaning about how software development works. They have the notion that adding more chefs will infact make the broth better. They are computer gamers! They prbably even looked at a PHP for dummies book once! Of course they know more about software development than profesionals who stake there wages on it!

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I'll wager my bloated software professional wage that I know more about it than you.

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A better analogy for software engineering is: Nine women can't make a baby in one month. Same goes for any smallish software project. Bigger (vastly more complex) ones can go faster with more people.

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Originally by: Usarua

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You realize ambulation is going to be the worst possible thing ever for immersion and role play, right?

Go play any other mmo with avatars representing characters.

Inevitably you find ******** asshats dancing, jumping, corpse humping, lolzor'ing, standing in fire, running in circles, playing hopscotch, and any other of a number of completely assinine things.

Even with CCP having sworn they won't put in any dancing emotes, people will find a way to be ******* morons. Someone will find a way to get twenty guys line dancing on the concourse in Jita IV 4.

I play this game largely because I don't have to put up with stupid crap like that. It's just cut throat economics and blowing people up. No dumbass "social interaction."

The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: Usarua

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since its still going to be mainly a space shooting strategy and numbers crunching game, its not getting out of its niche with a 10% dilution. in fact, it may attract the wrong type of people, or even those ill informed of what the game really is. as such, they'll likely play for a little while, and then get bored and leave. the CAPITAL CCP has spent on this project isnt justified by the returns. people who play the game for what it is will play. those that come because "ooh cool its a new feature in a game I didnt want to play before it got put in" will still play a bit and leave.

and hasnt the Pbase risen from a few thousand to around 150k? its having no trouble growing in its "niche", and I for one dont want the singularity of this game to be compromised because of a few whiners who say they want "ambulation" because they're teenagers who dont know what they really want, except some excuse to play a game they arent interested in. imo, people who lie to themselves generally arent the ones to get reliable product enhancement ideas from.

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This. EVE is still very much a word of mouth game. Everyone here agrees that ambulation will be fluff and that the meat of the game will still be in space. What we're fixing to walk into is a game where there's this great but pointless walking-around-in-a-space-station sim, and the unpolished shoot-things-in-space game that it's tacked on to. We get trial players lured in by the ambulation, only to have them undock and go, "WTF?" They quit in short order, and promptly tell their friends that EVE is garbage. Without ambulation, they wouldn't have picked up the game in the first place. So instead of them never playing and having a net effect on non-player perception of zero, now they have a brief effect of +1 and a long term effect of -1.

It's funny how the players of one of the most brutal and unforgiving games on the market are facing a potential paradigm shift, and all they see are rainbows and unicorn farts.

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Originally by: Usarua

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It's sad that the anti anti-ambulation people are not even bothering to read our logical inferences but merely respond with things like if you dont like it dont do it. they're not concerned at all with the effect on the game as a whole, from both a growth and gameplay standpoint. that shows who really cares doesnt it?

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Originally by: Moridin920

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Originally by: Usarua

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You realize ambulation is going to be the worst possible thing ever for immersion and role play, right?

Go play any other mmo with avatars representing characters.

Inevitably you find ******** asshats dancing, jumping, corpse humping, lolzor'ing, standing in fire, running in circles, playing hopscotch, and any other of a number of completely assinine things.

Even with CCP having sworn they won't put in any dancing emotes, people will find a way to be ******* morons. Someone will find a way to get twenty guys line dancing on the concourse in Jita IV 4.

I play this game largely because I don't have to put up with stupid crap like that. It's just cut throat economics and blowing people up. No dumbass "social interaction."

The very ******* second someone "hugs" me, I'll be cancelling my accounts, and yeah, you can have my stuff.

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i am also a fan of all the lack of what you state this game does not have, and all that you state this game does have. GG its too late... maybe after it goes sour for a few months, a petition can be raised to remove it. lets wait it out

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Originally by: Moridin920

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Edited by: Moridin920 on 16/09/2007 09:38:10

Originally by: Usarua

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It's sad that the anti anti-ambulation people are not even bothering to read our logical inferences but merely respond with things like if you dont like it dont do it. they're not concerned at all with the effect on the game as a whole, from both a growth and gameplay standpoint. that shows who really cares doesnt it?

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I actually am looking at it from a growth and gameplay standpoint. It's just that you are making assumptions and drawing conclusions without ANY evidence whatsoever beyond those assumptions. And that's ridiculous.

Why do you think ambulation will be presented as something totally different from Eve? Seriously, who is going to not know ambulation is a TINY part of Eve within 5 minutes?

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Originally by: Usarua

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: Usarua

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since its still going to be mainly a space shooting strategy and numbers crunching game, its not getting out of its niche with a 10% dilution. in fact, it may attract the wrong type of people, or even those ill informed of what the game really is. as such, they'll likely play for a little while, and then get bored and leave. the CAPITAL CCP has spent on this project isnt justified by the returns. people who play the game for what it is will play. those that come because "ooh cool its a new feature in a game I didnt want to play before it got put in" will still play a bit and leave.

and hasnt the Pbase risen from a few thousand to around 150k? its having no trouble growing in its "niche", and I for one dont want the singularity of this game to be compromised because of a few whiners who say they want "ambulation" because they're teenagers who dont know what they really want, except some excuse to play a game they arent interested in. imo, people who lie to themselves generally arent the ones to get reliable product enhancement ideas from.

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This. EVE is still very much a word of mouth game. Everyone here agrees that ambulation will be fluff and that the meat of the game will still be in space. What we're fixing to walk into is a game where there's this great but pointless walking-around-in-a-space-station sim, and the unpolished shoot-things-in-space game that it's tacked on to. We get trial players lured in by the ambulation, only to have them undock and go, "WTF?" They quit in short order, and promptly tell their friends that EVE is garbage. Without ambulation, they wouldn't have picked up the game in the first place. So instead of them never playing and having a net effect on non-player perception of zero, now they have a brief effect of +1 and a long term effect of -1.

It's funny how the players of one of the most brutal and unforgiving games on the market are facing a potential paradigm shift, and all they see are rainbows and unicorn farts.

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yeah thats exactly what I was saying its wasting time and RESOURCES, drawing in those who wont stay and will alienate more people as word of mouth becomes more negative by a larger group of people. I have many friends who wouldnt stand this game, even though I like it. now, if one of those friends had come to the game through misconceptions, thought it was garbage and told me so, I might not have joined mightn't I?

the only reason Im here now is because I saw a single advert of space ships and space fighting ship to ship. I kept at it to discover its depth and its complexity, and really start enjoying myself. in my scenario above, none of this would be true.

It's sad that the anti anti-ambulation people are not even bothering to read our logical inferences but merely respond with things like if you dont like it dont do it. they're not concerned at all with the effect on the game as a whole, from both a growth and gameplay standpoint. that shows who really cares doesnt it?

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Originally by: Moridin920

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Edited by: Moridin920 on 16/09/2007 08:04:41

Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 16/09/2007 06:46:30
Hmm let's see:

1. It adds nothing realy meaningfull to the game. Just a prettier graphical chat interface.
2. It has to run somewhere. Means CCP has to spend money on it. Means spending money on a feature that is optional. Do you see the wasted resource ?
3. It has to be integrated with EVE, just because it will use EVE data (corp info, station info, avatar info, chat channels etc.). This means a lot more bug entry points will exist. Even if they are handled by that separate team that's creating Ambulation, they will be seen as EVE bugs. So expect lot more whines and petitions etc. Also more management resources are needed just to sort them out.
4. It is a sidetrack from the main EVE theme. And as such is not needed. If you want a full body avatar, feel free to pick any other MMO out there. We do not need more WoW kiddies here.

that's all atm ...

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1. Read some stuff about it before you say that. It's actually adding a lot more to the game than just 'walking around'. It's too much to go into here, but I will give you this link:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/11410
The second page is the part you want, I think.

2. Irrelevant. They are paying the creative and new development part of the team anyway, and that group isn't working on bug fixes. Would you rather the creative/new design team sat around getting paid and not doing anything? The only 'wasted' resource here is that they are buying new servers.

However, I think since CCP manages their own finances and hiring and purchases, and whatnot, they are much more qualified than anyone here to say what is a waste of resources.

3. Petitions for what? Lost ships? How will the ambulation code cause your ship to get killed by rats? The codes have nothing to do with each other. In C++ it would just be like the main() calling the Ambulation(); function. The ambulation(); isn't going to be able to mess with the SpaceFlight(); stuff. Plus, they are using separate servers for the ambulation stuff (apparently).

That's like saying the forums cause bugs in-game because they use character names, corp + alliance names, and race.

4. It's not a sidetrack. It's an evolution and an addition. The main EVE theme is space. If anything, it's going to broaden the market a little bit, and we can nab some of those WoW players. Then, CCP will be able to use that influx of money/resources to pay for more management, hardware, etc., which would alleviate any problem that could be caused as you mention in your 3rd point (but I still don't think it will cause many problems).

Saying we don't need more WoW kiddies is just silly. Kids almost never play this, it's too complex. Fine. But, like it or not, there are a lot of people above the age of 14 who play WoW.


That's how I see it, anyway.

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Moridin, I know this is speculation and borderline doomsaying, but try to follow me here.

WoW is dying. Yeah, good one, right? Seriously. The next expansion is going to do a triple front flip while jumping the shark. They're ignoring and insulting large portions of their subscriber base, and continuing to cater to the 1%. Think Trials of Atlantis for DAoC or NGE for SWG times ten. It's going to be ugly, and the end result is that multiple millions of their players are going to go open market. EVE is one of the top ten MMOs in the US and Europe. It's inevitable that we're going to get some of those players. The concept that a subset of those new players will be attracted by ambulation while simultaneously having little understanding of the fundamentals of EVE is not far fetched. Now, take CCP's track record for fixing long-standing game problems and compound it by the new problems presented by a game population that potentially doubles overnight. The fact that ambulation is so immaterial and housed on separate servers will actually enhance the shock, disappointment, and anger when these people hit space and see what the game's all about and where the deficiencies lay. This is the mysterious bad publicity that seems to materialize from nowhere.

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Originally by: Malcanis

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So in essence: Ambulation will be nifty and good-looking, as far as it goes The real problem is that EvE is rubbish.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Edit: s-c-h-m-u-c-k is censored? What gives?

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Probably a curse or bad word in some language/dialect. Tho German is the only one that I know the word and it's not any of that.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Probably a curse or bad word in some language/dialect. Tho German is the only one that I know the word and it's not any of that.

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It's the Yiddish word for a specific portion of a certain male-only body part. However, it's also a German surname and a mild derogatory term in English.

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Nullity

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Personally, I like the idea of Ambulation, but I'd rather there be actual content to go with Ambulation before they implement it. Why get out of your ship if you can't walk up to people and shoot them like you can in space?

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Hugh Ruka

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Originally by: Nullity

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Personally, I like the idea of Ambulation, but I'd rather there be actual content to go with Ambulation before they implement it. Why get out of your ship if you can't walk up to people and shoot them like you can in space?

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that content would make for a full standalone game, which ambulation is a basis for (the vampire rpg). so ambulation+content = standalone game only marginaly related to EvE (story, universe). but not as an EvE accessory which we most definitaly do not need.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Edited by: Amarria Black on 16/09/2007 11:03:59

Originally by: Malcanis

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So in essence: Ambulation will be nifty and good-looking, as far as it goes The real problem is that EvE is rubbish.

Gotcha.

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Not rubbish, but certainly not flawless. This leaves us with two scenarios:

1) Ambulation is half-assed. All the time, effort, and money put into it is truly wasted.

-OR-

2) Ambulation is well polished. This throws into even starker contrast the flaws present in the rest of the game.

Neither one is a position of net gain. I'd hate to be the poor marketing sod asked the question, "Ambulation is a true joy to experience, but POS warfare is still plagued with poor implementation. How do you account for this?"

Edit: s-c-h-m-u-c-k is censored? What gives?

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Edited by: Amarria Black on 16/09/2007 11:03:59

Originally by: Malcanis

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So in essence: Ambulation will be nifty and good-looking, as far as it goes The real problem is that EvE is rubbish.

Gotcha.

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Not rubbish, but certainly not flawless. This leaves us with two scenarios:

1) Ambulation is half-assed. All the time, effort, and money put into it is truly wasted.

-OR-

2) Ambulation is well polished. This throws into even starker contrast the flaws present in the rest of the game.

Neither one is a position of net gain. I'd hate to be the poor marketing sod asked the question, "Ambulation is a true joy to experience, but POS warfare is still plagued with poor implementation. How do you account for this?"

Edit: s-c-h-m-u-c-k is censored? What gives?

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Well I was teasing you just a little I admit. And I'll readily agree that POS warfare is not the shining jewel of EvE. But as others have said, not doing ambulation isn't likely to make any difference to the bugs in the game. The team that are doing the programming are working on the White Wolf thing; the vast majority of EvE-specific work will be from the graphic artists & such. These are not the guys who have anything to do with fixing bugs. A case might be made that they should be making Caldari ships look less fugly, but that's pretty much fluff too. Really, the opportunity cost to SpaceshipsEvE is much less than some people are making out, apart from the dead African children, of course. (If simply throwing more people and money at the problem was a solution, Vista would be bug-free...)

On the other hand, Ambulation has potential to open up a new dimension in the game, and one that will cater directly to those people who aren't interested in AllianceFleetPOSblobSupercapLagfest style activities. And it might not suck! (OK, this is CCP we're talking; it will be great in ways which no other FPS MMORPG is, but will also have 2 or 3 or 10 outstandingly and universally annoying flaws which will be ignored for years).

Now I agree that attracting a large influx of WoW-grown n00bs who threaten to call the police when their Bantam gets pwned trying to mine in lo-sec is a worry. But trying to avert that by keeping the game narrow and stale isn't the solution IMO.

PS For the life of me I can't think of a good way to reform POS warfare, and maybe CCp can't either. That's not to say they shouldn't do anything else until someone has a good idea though.

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Originally by: Aravel Thon

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Originally by: Nith Batoxxx

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Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............

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I am so so terribly sorry...

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Originally by: Malcanis

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Well I was teasing you just a little I admit. And I'll readily agree that POS warfare is not the shining jewel of EvE. But as others have said, not doing ambulation isn't likely to make any difference to the bugs in the game. The team that are doing the programming are working on the White Wolf thing; the vast majority of EvE-specific work will be from the graphic artists & such. These are not the guys who have anything to do with fixing bugs. A case might be made that they should be making Caldari ships look less fugly, but that's pretty much fluff too. Really, the opportunity cost to SpaceshipsEvE is much less than some people are making out, apart from the dead African children, of course. (If simply throwing more people and money at the problem was a solution, Vista would be bug-free...)

On the other hand, Ambulation has potential to open up a new dimension in the game, and one that will cater directly to those people who aren't interested in AllianceFleetPOSblobSupercapLagfest style activities. And it might not suck! (OK, this is CCP we're talking; it will be great in ways which no other FPS MMORPG is, but will also have 2 or 3 or 10 outstandingly and universally annoying flaws which will be ignored for years).

Now I agree that attracting a large influx of WoW-grown n00bs who threaten to call the police when their Bantam gets pwned trying to mine in lo-sec is a worry. But trying to avert that by keeping the game narrow and stale isn't the solution IMO.

PS For the life of me I can't think of a good way to reform POS warfare, and maybe CCp can't either. That's not to say they shouldn't do anything else until someone has a good idea though.

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Originally by: Shiodome

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i guess because people would prefer CCP to fix the existing problems with the game before adding new ones.

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Originally by: Honethite

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Edited by: Honethite on 16/09/2007 20:16:39
If that PAX interview is anything to go by, it seems Ambulation will add some incredible features to Eve, opening your own shops in space stations, customising it's appearance and placing your goods for sale around the shop, yes please!

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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For the record: I was aware you were ribbing me, and I countered with facetious pwnage. The slow troll penetrates the shield.

I'm aware of all the benefits of ambulation. In all honesty, I like it. It has great potential to expand the existing game, while also bringing in the new blood we need. Hell, I'd love it if it was CS in space. Let's see how those CS kiddies like it when their respawn point is 5 systems and two gatecamps away. I'm really just giving the solid business background to the negatives. Too much of the discussion on the big topics devolves into "ME LIKEY" or "JOO R DUM, IT IS SUCK."

My arguments are somewhat selfish. If business suddenly spikes and then, six months later, completely tanks, CCP could potentially make some business decisions with money that they simply don't have. We're talking the potential, however far-fetched, for CCP to no longer be solvent and this game to shut doors, and over something so stupid as walking around in a facking station. Add this to the problems with the existing game that you're essentially ignoring to implement some frippery, and you've got a recipe for bad. I advocate the conservative route, if only because safe growth is guaranteed growth. I remember 2003; who wants to jeopardize what we've already become?

As to fixing POS combat: it all comes down to sovereignty requirements. They're the linchpin that keep it between untenable zergfest and unending bore.

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Originally by: Jenna Shame

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You mean instead of hitting the market tab and seeing all of what I'm looking for, for sale for several systems, I can go find WCS's on a shelf?

You and I sir have very different definitions of 'incredible'.

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Originally by: Jenna Shame

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Originally by: Honethite

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Edited by: Honethite on 16/09/2007 20:16:39
If that PAX interview is anything to go by, it seems Ambulation will add some incredible features to Eve, opening your own shops in space stations, customising it's appearance and placing your goods for sale around the shop, yes please!

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You mean instead of hitting the market tab and seeing all of what I'm looking for, for sale for several systems, I can go find WCS's on a shelf?

You and I sir have very different definitions of 'incredible'.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Originally by: Usarua

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since its still going to be mainly a space shooting strategy and numbers crunching game, its not getting out of its niche with a 10% dilution. in fact, it may attract the wrong type of people, or even those ill informed of what the game really is. as such, they'll likely play for a little while, and then get bored and leave. the CAPITAL CCP has spent on this project isnt justified by the returns. people who play the game for what it is will play. those that come because "ooh cool its a new feature in a game I didnt want to play before it got put in" will still play a bit and leave.

and hasnt the Pbase risen from a few thousand to around 150k? its having no trouble growing in its "niche", and I for one dont want the singularity of this game to be compromised because of a few whiners who say they want "ambulation" because they're teenagers who dont know what they really want, except some excuse to play a game they arent interested in. imo, people who lie to themselves generally arent the ones to get reliable product enhancement ideas from.

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This. EVE is still very much a word of mouth game. Everyone here agrees that ambulation will be fluff and that the meat of the game will still be in space. What we're fixing to walk into is a game where there's this great but pointless walking-around-in-a-space-station sim, and the unpolished shoot-things-in-space game that it's tacked on to. We get trial players lured in by the ambulation, only to have them undock and go, "WTF?" They quit in short order, and promptly tell their friends that EVE is garbage. Without ambulation, they wouldn't have picked up the game in the first place. So instead of them never playing and having a net effect on non-player perception of zero, now they have a brief effect of +1 and a long term effect of -1.

It's funny how the players of one of the most brutal and unforgiving games on the market are facing a potential paradigm shift, and all they see are rainbows and unicorn farts.

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Originally by: Amarria Black

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Edited by: Amarria Black on 16/09/2007 11:03:59

Originally by: Malcanis

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So in essence: Ambulation will be nifty and good-looking, as far as it goes The real problem is that EvE is rubbish.

Gotcha.

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Not rubbish, but certainly not flawless. This leaves us with two scenarios:

1) Ambulation is half-assed. All the time, effort, and money put into it is truly wasted.

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2) Ambulation is well polished. This throws into even starker contrast the flaws present in the rest of the game.

Neither one is a position of net gain. I'd hate to be the poor marketing sod asked the question, "Ambulation is a true joy to experience, but POS warfare is still plagued with poor implementation. How do you account for this?"

Edit: s-c-h-m-u-c-k is censored? What gives?

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Originally by: Honethite

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-Players will also be able to walk around the interior of their own ships.

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-Players will have access to a huge variety of clothing and accessories to wear on their characters and be able to swap between as many different outfits as they care to buy.

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-Venues are simply stores within the game where players will be able to socialize, browse, shop, and gamble.

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-In addition to gambling, there will be a variety of liquor and other alcoholic beverages to drink and tobacco to smoke.

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-There will be a number of places for your new avatars to walk around and strut their stuff. First, corporations will be getting meeting rooms.

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-Potential applicants can come and meet with current corporation members. Also, an NPC can be set up with simple corporation information and answers to commonly asked questions in case no one is handy to talk to them.

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Yes, I do find them to be incredible features. But let's just hope CCP will allow players such as yourself to 'hit the market tab and see all of what I'm looking for' with no interaction at all with the new Ambulation features.

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