Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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Originally by: fightnkill

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Edited by: fightnkill on 15/09/2007 17:24:46
CCP should focus 100% on fixing the lag before developing the game further on with better graphics and such...

I'm pretty sure that there are Useless pixels that cause a lot of unwanted lags.

I mean 100,000 Asteroids/objects/etc in space don't lag out the system, why does 1000 Players do?

Fix the lag, and if the game is 100% lagless, the losing side will have NOTHING to complain about regarding to lag issues.

Instead of adding better Nodes to sustain the ships and drones in a certain. The ships and drones should be changed in a way where it doesn't create a hell of a lag when mass deployed.

People prefer Average-Decent graphic with less lag then
Perfect graphics with Massive lag.

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Edited by: Sasha Evergreen on 15/09/2007 17:02:36

BOB alts are worried sick, it's the only lag bomb that allows them to defend against a superior ennemy.

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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Originally by: ED 209

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Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off.

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in.

but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in.

but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall

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Of course there weren't any carriers on the field

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Originally by: Smith

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If they made titans useful again we could kill fighters and oversized fleets more easily. Everyone wins. Lets un-nerf the Titans. Kill the LAG bring back the Titans!

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Originally by: ED 209

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Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in.

but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall

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Of course there weren't any carriers on the field

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Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D?

OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1
OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!!

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: ED 209

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Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in.

but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall

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Of course there weren't any carriers on the field

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Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D?

OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1
OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!!

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Sorry mate, I think you're having problems with reading. With writing too - try to use less uppercase letters next time. Helps with blood pressure.

Noone is complaining about ability to field 100 carriers and 1000 fighters.

People are complaining about inability to see, lock or shoot when there are 1000 fighters on the grid.

But I guess that is hard to comprehend.

BoB can't fix it, Goons can't fix it - only CCP can.

As for trolling BoB, it's only because they try to display yesterday's lagfest as a "good fight" or something.

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Originally by: True Ace

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instead of blobing one system maybe u could umm u know, spread that blob across multiple systems. the biggest cause of lag in 0.0 is the player base itself.

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Quote:

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Almost everyone agrees titants were overpowered. They did nothing especially to blobs, as they killed 5 man gangs just as easily. And besides, titans were for all intents and purposes INVINCIBLE.


Goons aren't asking for fighters to be nerfed you ******s, they're asking for the lag and logic behind them to be looked into, so they can cause LESS LAG. How is that a bad thing for ANYONE?

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Thouands of any unit will cause problems no matter what...live with it......

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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it can't be fixed...humans don't have this technology yet. . . .unless you see thousands of players fighting in the same enviroment in some other game..... Only thing we can do is to make sure when we show up to fights we are a functional participants in the fight...not wasting time with shuttles and crap ships...not dropping cans of bm's and crap . . .you know

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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it can't be fixed...humans don't have this technology yet. . . .unless you see thousands of players fighting in the same enviroment in some other game..... Only thing we can do is to make sure when we show up to fights we are a functional participants in the fight...not wasting time with shuttles and crap ships...not dropping cans of bm's and crap . . .you know

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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it can't be fixed...humans don't have this technology yet. . . .unless you see thousands of players fighting in the same enviroment in some other game..... Only thing we can do is to make sure when we show up to fights we are a functional participants in the fight...not wasting time with shuttles and crap ships...not dropping cans of bm's and crap . . .you know

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The Goonfleet thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=590500) about fighters had some very specific suggestions on improving it, though- I'm having trouble seeing how dropping the number of fighters while improving DPS and hitpoints or reworking the code in a bad thing for anyone. Why are people opposed to this?

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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it can't be fixed...humans don't have this technology yet. . . .unless you see thousands of players fighting in the same enviroment in some other game..... Only thing we can do is to make sure when we show up to fights we are a functional participants in the fight...not wasting time with shuttles and crap ships...not dropping cans of bm's and crap . . .you know

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The Goonfleet thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=590500) about fighters had some very specific suggestions on improving it, though- I'm having trouble seeing how dropping the number of fighters while improving DPS and hitpoints or reworking the code in a bad thing for anyone. Why are people opposed to this?

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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it can't be fixed...humans don't have this technology yet. . . .unless you see thousands of players fighting in the same enviroment in some other game..... Only thing we can do is to make sure when we show up to fights we are a functional participants in the fight...not wasting time with shuttles and crap ships...not dropping cans of bm's and crap . . .you know

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The Goonfleet thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=590500) about fighters had some very specific suggestions on improving it, though- I'm having trouble seeing how dropping the number of fighters while improving DPS and hitpoints or reworking the code in a bad thing for anyone. Why are people opposed to this?

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not opposed to it, but with the little info I have and some intuition I can see it won't get much better no matter what new coding or whatever..

my best thought on it is too maybe make 3-4 nodes per system if this can happen "in fighting systems..if the game can detect where there is tons of pilots..reenforce.
make bombs 2x as strong and actually kill things not just damage them.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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not opposed to it, but with the little info I have and some intuition I can see it won't get much better no matter what new coding or whatever..

my best thought on it is too maybe make 3-4 nodes per system if this can happen "in fighting systems..if the game can detect where there is tons of pilots..reenforce.
make bombs 2x as strong and actually kill things not just damage them.

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Just to make it clear, I'm not whining or trolling BoB. Pic is here just to display a 'reality' of EVE gaming these days. So people can get the idea why so many GOONS whine to CCP about fighters.

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Originally by: Ramlir

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I never thought the bias on CAOD would stoop so low as to defend lag to spite your opponents. BoB and pets have truely plumbed new depths.

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Originally by: Diehard Si

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Edited by: Diehard Si on 15/09/2007 17:37:56
Goons want the moon on a stick.

First they moan about titans ( the anti blob weapon effectively )

simple solution - Un nerf the titan then blobs become much less of an issue. Goons, you can't have it ALL your own way.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: NATMav

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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not opposed to it, but with the little info I have and some intuition I can see it won't get much better no matter what new coding or whatever..

my best thought on it is too maybe make 3-4 nodes per system if this can happen "in fighting systems..if the game can detect where there is tons of pilots..reenforce.
make bombs 2x as strong and actually kill things not just damage them.

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1 node per 1 system is the max. They can't spread one system across multiple nodes, which is why throwing hardware at the problem may improve overall peformance of EVE, large blobs in a single system have seen no improvement.

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Originally by: Dagam

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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this pic is a station and not an up to date pic....not any current event . . .wow ....sad....cuz goons and RA never attacked a station with a bunch of fighters

Thouands of any unit will cause problems no matter what...live with it......and don't bring useless lagging ibis and shuttles to fights..less wrecks,less players less lag... you don't need that trash to beat the inferior enemy right?
oh and JV1V was awsome......yeah goons rock...what a good job. Not a lagsploit in sight.....keep crying, it is fueling our jumpdrives

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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: ED 209

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Edited by: ED 209 on 15/09/2007 18:14:09

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex

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Originally by: DeadProphet

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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there weren't even any carriers on the field until RSF jumped them in.

but why should you believe us, we were the ones there afterall

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Of course there weren't any carriers on the field

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Can you read muppet? Seriously, C-A-N Y-O-U R-E-A-D?

OMG TITANS ARE UBER NERF!!!1
OMG CARRIERS ARE UBER NERF!!!

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Sorry mate, I think you're having problems with reading. With writing too - try to use less uppercase letters next time. Helps with blood pressure.

Noone is complaining about ability to field 100 carriers and 1000 fighters.

People are complaining about inability to see, lock or shoot when there are 1000 fighters on the grid.

But I guess that is hard to comprehend.

BoB can't fix it, Goons can't fix it - only CCP can.

As for trolling BoB, it's only because they try to display yesterday's lagfest as a "good fight" or something.

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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So can we all agree that there are problems with extreme lag that need to be dealt with regardless of in-game political affiliation?


yes....is the fix player/ship nerfs....no

Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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So can we all agree that there are problems with extreme lag that need to be dealt with regardless of in-game political affiliation? Does anyone still disagree with that? Can we agree on that basis, then, that the OP is a moron?

If we can agree on these very rudimentary basics, then close thread.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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So can we all agree that there are problems with extreme lag that need to be dealt with regardless of in-game political affiliation?


yes....is the fix player/ship nerfs....no

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Nobody is asking for a drone/fighter nerf, just a change in the number of fighters, with a concurrent buff in health and DPS to go with it. I think we agree here.

Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Dagam

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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this pic is a station and not an up to date pic....not any current event . . .wow ....sad....cuz goons and RA never attacked a station with a bunch of fighters

Thouands of any unit will cause problems no matter what...live with it......and don't bring useless lagging ibis and shuttles to fights..less wrecks,less players less lag... you don't need that trash to beat the inferior enemy right?
oh and JV1V was awsome......yeah goons rock...what a good job. Not a lagsploit in sight.....keep crying, it is fueling our jumpdrives

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Note: BoB also claimed at first t20 didn't cheat and it was just a witch hunt. If you look at the whole picture you will see the pic is indeed 00YZ and at the R97 gate. Is it a surprise BoB lies to themselves and others to make themselves look better?

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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nah..I like a domi with 15 drones....now its 5.. a cap ship you train forever to use properly should have 15 or so . .fix the game ..not the stuff thats already established. I have to train all missle sklls now just to use my damnation again.. Kinda get sick of stuff like that.

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Originally by: Dagam

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Well, that's because you're dumb. 5 drones means you can micromanage them better so it was actually a buff to drones reducing them from 15 to 5. The Damnation is way better in its current incarnation than it was before so I don't know what you're complaining about.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Did I miss the post where Goons explained the useful role that the 50+ noob ships they threw into the system contributed to reducing lag?

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Edited by: General Windypops on 15/09/2007 20:35:59
Did I miss the post where Goons explained the useful role that the 50+ noob ships they threw into the system played in lag reduction?

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Originally by: Shoukei

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Originally by: Dagam

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Well, that's because you're dumb. 5 drones means you can micromanage them better so it was actually a buff to drones reducing them from 15 to 5. The Damnation is way better in its current incarnation than it was before so I don't know what you're complaining about.

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you lose one drone, you lose HUGE amount of DPS. also, less drones there are, easier to grab them and destroy them due to locking times. in no way were the drones buffed, they were nerfed.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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There wasn't even any capital ships camping the gate, they were all repping the pos.

Fight started, carriers stayed at the pos.

HOSTILE CYNO GOES UP (this bit is important, yes, cuz like, wewt, HOSTILE CAPITALS ARE JUMPING IN) (I emphasised the bits that you need to comprehend). So, any sane FC, knowing that a good portion of the 100 or so confirmed and active hostile capital ships are jumping in brings in their counter. In this case, our carrier fleet.

Carriers hit warp, for some it took 15 minutes before they warped. Carriers were ordered to drop fighters when they arrived on grid and NOT before.

Some of us managed to issue the engage command and actually cause some damage.

Now, you can trust the killboard as much as you like, but then you can realise all killboards present are stastics, they don't present a story.

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Originally by: Ms DaisyMae

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Why does nobody believe you?

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Originally by: Shoukei

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Originally by: Dagam

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Well, that's because you're dumb. 5 drones means you can micromanage them better so it was actually a buff to drones reducing them from 15 to 5. The Damnation is way better in its current incarnation than it was before so I don't know what you're complaining about.

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you lose one drone, you lose HUGE amount of DPS. also, less drones there are, easier to grab them and destroy them due to locking times. in no way were the drones buffed, they were nerfed.

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Originally by: Ms DaisyMae

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.

Everyone else will to.

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There wasn't even any capital ships camping the gate, they were all repping the pos.

Fight started, carriers stayed at the pos.

HOSTILE CYNO GOES UP (this bit is important, yes, cuz like, wewt, HOSTILE CAPITALS ARE JUMPING IN) (I emphasised the bits that you need to comprehend). So, any sane FC, knowing that a good portion of the 100 or so confirmed and active hostile capital ships are jumping in brings in their counter. In this case, our carrier fleet.

Carriers hit warp, for some it took 15 minutes before they warped. Carriers were ordered to drop fighters when they arrived on grid and NOT before.

Some of us managed to issue the engage command and actually cause some damage.

Now, you can trust the killboard as much as you like, but then you can realise all killboards present are stastics, they don't present a story.

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Why does nobody believe you?

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Dagam

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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this pic is a station and not an up to date pic....not any current event . . .wow ....sad....cuz goons and RA never attacked a station with a bunch of fighters

Thouands of any unit will cause problems no matter what...live with it......and don't bring useless lagging ibis and shuttles to fights..less wrecks,less players less lag... you don't need that trash to beat the inferior enemy right?
oh and JV1V was awsome......yeah goons rock...what a good job. Not a lagsploit in sight.....keep crying, it is fueling our jumpdrives

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Note: BoB also claimed at first t20 didn't cheat and it was just a witch hunt. If you look at the whole picture you will see the pic is indeed 00YZ and at the R97 gate. Is it a surprise BoB lies to themselves and others to make themselves look better?

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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^^^^ Can you say photoshop

Goons never seize to amaze me you complain about lag this and exploit this when your the worst of the lot for meta/out of game underhand tactics not to mention lag causing tactics to deliberatly crash the nodes to obtain a unfair advantage in a fight... remember LV anybody ? (and before you call me a bob alt i dont care to much for them either) stop *****ing about figher spam causing lag and being unfair if you cant handle alliance warfare then run along back to empire...actually do the community a favor and **** off back to wow

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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^^^^ Can you say photoshop

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Originally by: Shoukei

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i have a solution. remove drones from the game to reduce lag and prevent lag in major fleet battles! once this is done, nodes will magically be able to handle 500 people on the same grid.

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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how would you have proposed that RSF attack a heavily defended deadend system at one specific, crucial time? In that scenario, the "blob" was unavoidable.
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for one i would not of had 100's of peeps jumping in and out of gates to crash the node out

Originally by: Kola XXX

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Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:57:53
Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:56:13
Auto-aggressAutoAuto-aggressing drones-aggressingAuto-aggressing drones dronesing droneAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronessAuto-aggAuto-aggressing dronesressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones.....waaahhhhh

just checking here......we can al fit drones right ? f.o.f. missles? smartbombs ? auto targeters...we can all prime our weapons ? can we stop saying Auto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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how would you have proposed that RSF attack a heavily defended deadend system at one specific, crucial time? In that scenario, the "blob" was unavoidable.

the same way bob did . . .. change tactic..if you thinks its unfair....go capture a dead end system and fortify

Originally by: Kola XXX

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Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:57:53
Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:56:13
Auto-aggressAutoAuto-aggressing drones-aggressingAuto-aggressing drones dronesing droneAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronessAuto-aggAuto-aggressing dronesressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones.....waaahhhhh

just checking here......we can al fit drones right ? f.o.f. missles? smartbombs ? auto targeters...we can all prime our weapons ? can we stop saying Auto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones

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Originally by: 5ATAN

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how would you have proposed that RSF attack a heavily defended deadend system at one specific, crucial time? In that scenario, the "blob" was unavoidable.

the same way bob did . . .. change tactic..if you thinks its unfair....go capture a dead end system and fortify

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:57:53
Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:56:13
Auto-aggressAutoAuto-aggressing drones-aggressingAuto-aggressing drones dronesing droneAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronessAuto-aggAuto-aggressing dronesressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones.....waaahhhhh

just checking here......we can al fit drones right ? f.o.f. missles? smartbombs ? auto targeters...we can all prime our weapons ? can we stop saying Auto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones

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Auto-agressing drones in laggy situations can't tear up an enemy before they load the grid? I could be wrong.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:57:53
Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:56:13
Auto-aggressAutoAuto-aggressing drones-aggressingAuto-aggressing drones dronesing droneAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronessAuto-aggAuto-aggressing dronesressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones.....waaahhhhh

just checking here......we can al fit drones right ? f.o.f. missles? smartbombs ? auto targeters...we can all prime our weapons ? can we stop saying Auto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones

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Auto-agressing drones in laggy situations can't tear up an enemy before they load the grid? I could be wrong.

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there wasn't carriers and fighters at the gate when your guys were tryin to load believe it or not. Don't jump into something you should know is gonna go wrong...there was other options

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 15/09/2007 21:05:10
Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 15/09/2007 21:04:20

Originally by: 5ATAN

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how would you have proposed that RSF attack a heavily defended deadend system at one specific, crucial time? In that scenario, the "blob" was unavoidable.

the same way bob did . . .. change tactic..if you thinks its unfair....go capture a dead end system and fortify

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How about we fix the game, instead? "DEAL WITH IT" when we've already agreed that it sucks isn't really ideal, is it?

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Did I miss the post where Goons explained the useful role that the 50+ noob ships they threw into the system contributed to reducing lag?

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The point is not entirely in reducing lag- if the goal was to reduce lag then no one would show up to fight, period.

The purpose of this whole discussion is in maximizing the ability of human players to play the game in whatever ship they choose to, and how auto-aggressing fighter swarms make this much more difficult. Perhaps fighter code should be modified to reduce lag-inducing calculations, or the number of fighters should be decreased with a corresponding boost to health and DPS, or maybe we could start with eliminating auto-aggression in situations where no one can lock.

Now you're up to speed. :)

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 15/09/2007 21:05:10
Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 15/09/2007 21:04:20

Originally by: 5ATAN

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how would you have proposed that RSF attack a heavily defended deadend system at one specific, crucial time? In that scenario, the "blob" was unavoidable.

the same way bob did . . .. change tactic..if you thinks its unfair....go capture a dead end system and fortify

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How about we fix the game, instead? "DEAL WITH IT" when we've already agreed that it sucks isn't really ideal, is it?

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unfortunately we are dealing with the "now" not the "what would be great" time .

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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You have to shoot at something to aggro drones/fighters, so unless those dreads took it in turn to shoot each carrier (impossible in lag) then autoaggression had ZERO EFFECT on the outcome of the fight.

I mean, you have to able to target and activate a module to trigger the autoagression, which by definition means you're not 100% lagged out.

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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There were absolutely other options in that case. I'm talking in general. Would you answer my question: Can auto-agressing drones in laggy situations tear up an enemy before they load the grid?

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 15/09/2007 21:11:55

Originally by: Butter Dog

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You have to shoot at something to aggro drones/fighters, so unless those dreads took it in turn to shoot each carrier (impossible in lag) then autoaggression had ZERO EFFECT on the outcome of the fight.

I mean, you have to able to target and activate a module to trigger the autoagression, which by definition means you're not 100% lagged out.

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Pretty sure this is untrue.

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:57:53
Edited by: Kola XXX on 15/09/2007 20:56:13
Auto-aggressAutoAuto-aggressing drones-aggressingAuto-aggressing drones dronesing droneAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronessAuto-aggAuto-aggressing dronesressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones.....waaahhhhh

just checking here......we can al fit drones right ? f.o.f. missles? smartbombs ? auto targeters...we can all prime our weapons ? can we stop saying Auto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing dronesAuto-aggressing drones

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Auto-agressing drones in laggy situations can't tear up an enemy before they load the grid? I could be wrong.

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there wasn't carriers and fighters at the gate when your guys were tryin to load believe it or not. Don't jump into something you should know is gonna go wrong...there was other options

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There were absolutely other options in that case. I'm talking in general. Would you answer my question: Can auto-agressing drones in laggy situations tear up an enemy before they load the grid?

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Originally by: ED 209

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Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off.

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Originally by: Shoukei

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Originally by: Dagam

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Well, that's because you're dumb. 5 drones means you can micromanage them better so it was actually a buff to drones reducing them from 15 to 5. The Damnation is way better in its current incarnation than it was before so I don't know what you're complaining about.

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you lose one drone, you lose HUGE amount of DPS. also, less drones there are, easier to grab them and destroy them due to locking times. in no way were the drones buffed, they were nerfed.

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Originally by: Hank Rearden

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Last time the Swarm basically Blackmailed CCP into making game changes to thier advantage threw probably illegal defemation all over the internet.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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I don't get you BoB ******s (maybe not all of you but I haven't met a nice one yet). Why waste money on T2 going into that kind of lag? All your T2 ships didn't win anything in the last 3-4 months.

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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I don't get you BoB ******s (maybe not all of you but I haven't met a nice one yet). Why waste money on T2 going into that kind of lag? All your T2 ships didn't win anything in the last 3-4 months.

Obviously, RaGoons, flying in T1, have more skill then all your T2 pilots since you've been pushed back...oh wait...it was a "strategic maneuver" wasn't it? You got them right where you want them now!

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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I don't get you BoB ******s (maybe not all of you but I haven't met a nice one yet). Why waste money on T2 going into that kind of lag? All your T2 ships didn't win anything in the last 3-4 months.

Obviously, RaGoons, flying in T1, have more skill then all your T2 pilots since you've been pushed back...oh wait...it was a "strategic maneuver" wasn't it? You got them right where you want them now!

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Are you for real? What have goons been doing to gain advantage in this war? Emmm, BLOBING!!!!!! So when BoB adapts to it, (by out blobing them) they are called cheaters, exploiters and the game is now broken, but it was fine as long as goons were using the blob to win, because they have more skill in T1 frigs and shuttles? My god, where did they grow you?

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Maybe you should learn how to read. Please highlight and embolden where I mentioned anything about cheating or exploiting.

If you had any kind of intelligence at all, you'd see all I said was just because you can fly t2, doesn't make you uber, as RaGoons have proven by pushing BoB out using mostly T1 as opposed to BoB's mostly T2. But, for some reason, BoB seem to think they are all powerful because they use mostly T2, and they seem to suffer from some God Complex that they think gives them some right to say "If you don't fly T2 you're a ******* noob, even if you are jumping in to get slaughtered", but meh, whatever.

Continue on little pet/slave/alt.

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Originally by: Sasha Evergreen

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Originally by: Florio

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There were no fighters deployed when you jumped in.

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I trust your killboard more than your word.
Everyone else will to.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Edited by: arkarsk on 15/09/2007 18:14:08
Almost everyone agrees titants were overpowered. They did nothing especially to blobs, as they killed 5 man gangs just as easily. And besides, titans were for all intents and purposes INVINCIBLE.


Goons aren't asking for fighters to be nerfed you ******s, they're asking for the lag and logic behind them to be looked into, so they can cause LESS LAG. How is that a bad thing for ANYONE?

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Originally by: Skelator

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Edited by: Skelator on 15/09/2007 21:19:56

Originally by: ED 209

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Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off.

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Actually ED I think good old Hank above is another Alt of yours and your just starting a flame thread against your worst enemy.

Times must be hard huh?

A Salute 07 to all the BOB and BOB pets that Actually post with their MAINS and do not hide behind Alts!

Those BOB members are the ones who have class and courage as far as I am concerned.


tbh skel I always thought that was evils alt lol,

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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Rabble

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If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.

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Originally by: Kola XXX

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"Existential Poetry"

I have jumped into hostile fleets,
but only loaded a few ships on overview.
I have had hostle fleets jump in on me
and also only loaded a few of hundreds.
Who loads
imo
usually favors the guys comin in . ..
you prolly see the hosties
before they see you..
or at least some of them. . . .. .

would f.o.f.spam,sb's,
or any other auto attack be this same injustice ?
....chance of killing someone
you can't see in any fleet fight
...good chance
...it's not fighters.

I activate guns on guys....
guns never seem to turn on .. .
after the fight i have the killmail ..
.. alot goes on you can't see
but it is same
for everyone.

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Originally by: slip66

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Originally by: Skelator

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Edited by: Skelator on 15/09/2007 21:19:56

Originally by: ED 209

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Sinc they cried and got their way, they have done nothing but make major asses out of themselves, like the threadnought. If anything CCP is going to tell them to **** off.

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Actually ED I think good old Hank above is another Alt of yours and your just starting a flame thread against your worst enemy.

Times must be hard huh?

A Salute 07 to all the BOB and BOB pets that Actually post with their MAINS and do not hide behind Alts!

Those BOB members are the ones who have class and courage as far as I am concerned.


tbh skel I always thought that was evils alt lol,

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Originally by: Machanara

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Has anyone considered that the drones shouldn't be fixed? Maybe the GOONS should just quit as they ALWAYS threaten to do when something doesn't go their way.

Lag would be a lot less without 5000 goons logged onto the servers . I say BAN all the goons in the name of LAG!! Then we can all enjoy Eve without babies AND lag!!

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Originally by: Machanara

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Has anyone considered that the drones shouldn't be fixed? Maybe the GOONS should just quit as they ALWAYS threaten to do when something doesn't go their way.

Lag would be a lot less without 5000 goons logged onto the servers . I say BAN all the goons in the name of LAG!! Then we can all enjoy Eve without babies AND lag!!

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Originally by: Machanara

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Then we can all enjoy Eve without babies

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Originally by: Cyrus Ildemar

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Originally by: Machanara

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Then we can all enjoy Eve without babies

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my wife had a miscarriage

harassment petition filed

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Originally by: Arlenna Molatov

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Originally by: Machanara

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Has anyone considered that the drones shouldn't be fixed? Maybe the GOONS should just quit as they ALWAYS threaten to do when something doesn't go their way.

Lag would be a lot less without 5000 goons logged onto the servers . I say BAN all the goons in the name of LAG!! Then we can all enjoy Eve without babies AND lag!!

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That was me. no alt here. God-d@mn forum settings

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Originally by: Avon

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Edited by: Avon on 16/09/2007 09:09:55
This thread is pointless, and annoying .. a bit like my posting.

We don't know that fighters are causing the lag, and yet they are instantly to blame - probably because they killed people. Oh dear.

I remember the drone numbers reduction, and in all honestly it made no difference at all. CCP we quick to tell us how much reducing drone numbers would decrease lag, but it just didn't work out.

Let's jump right in.
Auto attacking stuff. - You have to attack the owner before they will attack you. To do this you can't be lagged. Thus auto attacking drones/fighters are not responsible for killing lagged fleets. Let's have no more of that silly arguement. (Also, I think some people need to ask around and find out exactly how fighters work compared with drones).

Also, fighters put out a lot more dps (and in some cases have a superior AI) compared with some ships that are brought to fleet battles by our horribly oppressed Goon friends. If the solution to fighter blob lag is to reduce the numbers of fighters by boosting their DPS & HP to compensate, shouldn't the same apply to them? Maybe they should be forced to fly at least an Assault Ship, or HAC?
Silly?
Of course it is, in both respects.
Arguing that fighters cause lag and should be nerfed, whilst maintaining that bringing newbie ships and shuttles is fine, does nothing to further a reasoned discussion. (Which, incidentally, they aren't interested in anyway. Looking at the 'facts' presented in this thread is almost laughable: "Fighters should be nerfed because BoB killed lots of us with them, and they totally lag you out .. although not actually totally because we aggressed people otherwise their fighters wouldn't have attacked (!?mechanics) .. and we used them first in the fight, but that isn't the point, and .. um .. yeah. Er, you are all arrogant snobs who look down on us because we joined the game later than you!!".
Surprisingly, I am sure that isn't the reason why people may look down on you.)

Lag is a huge problem. However, I am quite convinced that fighters are not the cause, simply based on the earlier drone optimisations.
I am all for totally lag free fights. I know they would favour us over our enemies, and I suspect they know it too. However, as the skillsets of their players increase, I think they realise that blob and lag tactics are not optimal, and they get in the way of "better" gameplay.
It would seem that they are becomming victims of their own ethos .. serious business.

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However, I am quite convinced that fighters are not the cause, simply based on the earlier drone optimisations.

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Originally by: Spurty

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The Internet (and CCP internally) needs 100gigabit networks urgently ;-)

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Originally by: Avon

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Edited by: Avon on 16/09/2007 09:09:55
This thread is pointless, and annoying .. a bit like my posting.

We don't know that fighters are causing the lag, and yet they are instantly to blame - probably because they killed people. Oh dear.

I remember the drone numbers reduction, and in all honestly it made no difference at all. CCP we quick to tell us how much reducing drone numbers would decrease lag, but it just didn't work out.

Let's jump right in.
Auto attacking stuff. - You have to attack the owner before they will attack you. To do this you can't be lagged. Thus auto attacking drones/fighters are not responsible for killing lagged fleets. Let's have no more of that silly arguement. (Also, I think some people need to ask around and find out exactly how fighters work compared with drones).

Also, fighters put out a lot more dps (and in some cases have a superior AI) compared with some ships that are brought to fleet battles by our horribly oppressed Goon friends. If the solution to fighter blob lag is to reduce the numbers of fighters by boosting their DPS & HP to compensate, shouldn't the same apply to them? Maybe they should be forced to fly at least an Assault Ship, or HAC?
Silly?
Of course it is, in both respects.
Arguing that fighters cause lag and should be nerfed, whilst maintaining that bringing newbie ships and shuttles is fine, does nothing to further a reasoned discussion. (Which, incidentally, they aren't interested in anyway. Looking at the 'facts' presented in this thread is almost laughable: "Fighters should be nerfed because BoB killed lots of us with them, and they totally lag you out .. although not actually totally because we aggressed people otherwise their fighters wouldn't have attacked (!?mechanics) .. and we used them first in the fight, but that isn't the point, and .. um .. yeah. Er, you are all arrogant snobs who look down on us because we joined the game later than you!!".
Surprisingly, I am sure that isn't the reason why people may look down on you.)

Lag is a huge problem. However, I am quite convinced that fighters are not the cause, simply based on the earlier drone optimisations.
I am all for totally lag free fights. I know they would favour us over our enemies, and I suspect they know it too. However, as the skillsets of their players increase, I think they realise that blob and lag tactics are not optimal, and they get in the way of "better" gameplay.
It would seem that they are becomming victims of their own ethos .. serious business.

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Originally by: Dr Slaughter

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TBH the 10Gb or 100Gb internet isn't going to solve the main issue they have which is:

a. CPU load, and,
b. Node to Node transaction time.

CCP are trying to improve their code to reduce (a) and eventually want to have multiple hosts handle solar systems (which will require very fast host to host communication so they can implement things like shared memory), and,

(b) is already throttled.

Infiniband between blades will make a big difference to (b) but will still be limited by what the CPUs can deal with.

It's a pity they can't use some custom silicon (FPGA's) to handle some of the calculations that the servers run but that's probably just too cutting edge and expensive a solution, and probably won't work anyway. They really need to re-write chunks of the server code so it can run across multiple CPUs and hosts.

Anyway good luck with the lag.. it's here to stay

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Originally by: Civrax

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Drones auto-engage, they just go after a target which means that whoever has the drones out gets the kills. 1000 drones on grid also cause unimaginable lag, CCP fully knows this.

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Originally by: arkarsk

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Edited by: arkarsk on 15/09/2007 18:14:08
Almost everyone agrees titants were overpowered. They did nothing especially to blobs, as they killed 5 man gangs just as easily. And besides, titans were for all intents and purposes INVINCIBLE.


Goons aren't asking for fighters to be nerfed you ******s, they're asking for the lag and logic behind them to be looked into, so they can cause LESS LAG. How is that a bad thing for ANYONE?

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Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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:words:

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Originally by: Dylan Rhade

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Edited by: Dylan Rhade on 16/09/2007 19:27:43
I have sat here and read all 5 pages, from what i can tell it seems to me that Goons jumped in suicide nub ships and shuttles in hops of creating cap desync's for a turkey shoot, then got owned by fighters or whatever, and now they are whining about it.

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Originally by: Ariso

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If you have say 50 carriers with 15 fighters a nice completement of support of say 100 other ships average of 3 drones each. Theres a nice round about ballpark number of 1200 entities around a gate.

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We don't know that fighters are causing the lag, and yet they are instantly to blame - probably because they killed people. Oh dear.

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Originally by: Thargat

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I'm not even sure that fighters and drones will cause that much lag. Since they'r all handled by the server (user input is minimal as it stands today)... one calculation for a drone (h*ll the missions would lag when the rats engage if that was the case, there's alot of rats and missions in some systems)...

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Originally by: Delwin Amber

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Fix the crippling server lag and the natural enemy of the fighter cloud - the Doomsday Device - will come back into play and I think this will all balance out nicely. Lose a few dozens of billions of isk to a DD and you're going to be a lot less likely to use fighter clouds if there's a titan any where within a dozen lightyears.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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All i can say is, try something else aside from blob warfare for once. You will spend less time whining on forums and more time having fun in game.

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Originally by: NATMav

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How do your propose you take down several POS without a blob?

Harsh language?

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Harsh language? No, just common sense to realize that two can play that game. Preferably before the other side makes it painfully obvious by matching the blob.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Harsh language? No, just common sense to realize that two can play that game. Preferably before the other side makes it painfully obvious by matching the blob.

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Ok blame aside can we at least reach a good neutral point that system lag has effectively made the game unplayable for pretty much everybody at this point?

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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Anyone who knows anything about computers can tell the difference between a hardware problem and a software problem.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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Anyone who knows anything about computers can tell the difference between a hardware problem and a software problem.

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Do tell me, what other game handles this many people on the same grid?

What you did right there is made a claim regardless of the fact you have no clue what CCP did on servers or how CCP optimized the servers. You also completely ignored the fact that no other MMO can actually do what eve does.

Sorry, but you are just trying to tip the game mechanics in your favor by nerfing that which you don't actually use. If you did care one bit about lag, you would try to bring less t1 frigs. You would have also petitioned CCP to reimburse LV titan since after all, you did crash the node to kill it.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Do tell me, what other game handles this many people on the same grid?

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What you did right there is made a claim regardless of the fact you have no clue what CCP did on servers or how CCP optimized the servers. You also completely ignored the fact that no other MMO can actually do what eve does.

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Sorry, but you are just trying to tip the game mechanics in your favor by nerfing that which you don't actually use. If you did care one bit about lag, you would try to bring less t1 frigs. You would have also petitioned CCP to reimburse LV titan since after all, you did crash the node to kill it.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Do tell me, what other game handles this many people on the same grid?

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Originally by: Virtuoso DeToure

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No where did I say that Eve's hardware is not impressive. It is indeed very impressive and is probably some of the most technologically advanced out there for an MMO. That does not mean that fighters causing this much lag is not design flaw, in fact is reinforces the idea. If your software does not run properly on top-of-the-line hardware then you need to rethink your design decisions.

No one here is trying to nerf anything. Not one suggestion in the Original Post would nerf fighters. Hell, I'm perfectly fine with you making fighters no-collision and allowing them to bypass the "to-hit" code when firing. That right there would make them quite a bit more powerful while reducing the number of calculations needed for them by a huge amount.

As far as JV1V goes, we brought as much as we thought we needed to get the job done. No one there intended to bring down the node, and in fact we were hoping it did not go down as that would have given the POS a chance to recharge. We bring T1 frigates because we feel t1 frigates are effective. In a lagless battle, give me 100 t1 Frigates over 20 Battleships anyday. I am sorry you do not feel the same, but that is the beauty of a game with this level of depth.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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All I can think atm is that apparently BoB think that CCP might listen to Goons and change something there.

Considering all the **** Goons pulled on CCP (from a CCP perspective at least), I conclude that BoB thinks that Goons have a REALLY good case on getting some changes here.

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Now sc**w BoB and what they think, problem in here is the obvious lag tactics they are using and claiming its game mechanics, well it may be but its broken and needs fixing.

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Do tell me, what other game handles this many people on the same grid?

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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All I can think atm is that apparently BoB think that CCP might listen to Goons and change something there.

Considering all the **** Goons pulled on CCP (from a CCP perspective at least), I conclude that BoB thinks that Goons have a REALLY good case on getting some changes here.

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Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean

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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 17/09/2007 09:49:11

Originally by: Dionisius

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Now sc**w BoB and what they think, problem in here is the obvious lag tactics they are using and claiming its game mechanics, well it may be but its broken and needs fixing.

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Goon have been boasting about blobing and lagging out systems to kill ppl for months since and before the titan nerf and now its not working in there favor they scream for it to be fixed along with there pets and others who have had there asses handed to them by BOB in the past.

And if its about fixing the game why focus on ftrs and not all drones.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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All I can think atm is that apparently BoB think that CCP might listen to Goons and change something there.

Considering all the **** Goons pulled on CCP (from a CCP perspective at least), I conclude that BoB thinks that Goons have a REALLY good case on getting some changes here.

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That is some impressive spin right there, mad props for posting it.

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Stuff

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Originally by: Avon

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The truth is that CCP have a history of making game changes which are likely to improve customer retention, rather than those which would actually be better for the game.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Eve is completely polarised and divided into two huge powerblocks. The latest change to POSses is an improvement in many ways, but with the cynojammers in place and the huge importance of timed events (when do POS come out of reinforced), the need for big blobs to accomplish something far exceeds the capabilities of the servers to handle.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Thanks I was pretty pleased with it myself. You might want to ask yourself if you really believe you are 100% correct here, or that there indeed is an issue.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Thanks I was pretty pleased with it myself. You might want to ask yourself if you really believe you are 100% correct here, or that there indeed is an issue.

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I think you'll find if you read over my posts that I agree that lag is an issue, just not that fighters are the main cause, if at all.
I am in favour of tackling lag by actually seeking the causes and fixing them, rather than pointing wildly and screaming at things I don't like.

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Originally by: sakana

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Is anyone actually disputing the fact there was major major lag? CCP should do the right thing and reimburse all pilots that lost a ship on both sides of the fight.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Stuff

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Disturbance in the force...

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Originally by: Khorian

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Are you all talking about internet lag or hardware lag? I think some people here are mixing this up.

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Originally by: Porks

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Originally by: Khorian

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Are you all talking about internet lag or hardware lag? I think some people here are mixing this up.

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Lag is a bad word for it. It's actually a tremendous cpu load on the clusters, people just call it lag because it means there's a long period of time between choosing to do something and the server actually responding (lag-time as it were).

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Originally by: Plague Black

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EVE is old. It needs to be re-written. Entirely.

Everything else is just hacking or postponing the problems.

Until then learn to live with lag.

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Originally by: Dagam

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Originally by: Avon

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The truth is that CCP have a history of making game changes which are likely to improve customer retention, rather than those which would actually be better for the game.

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Ok Avon, given that you know better than CCP what is actually better for the game, how would you reduce fleet lag? Why is it when a BoB member proposes to reduce fleet lag by adding an option to turn off wrecks, you see both sides agree it was a good idea? But when goons propose less fighters, same dps you get the BoB propaganda machine?

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Originally by: Cyleth

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Less fighters leads to losing DPS faster. With the scenario presented carrier would have 5 fighters. Kill one and its 20% less damage. Now, with 10 fighters kill one and its 10% less damage. Redusing amount of fighters makes mommies and carriers lose their damage faster. And no, hitpoints doesnt matter in that.

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Originally by: Cyleth

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Originally by: Dagam

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Originally by: Avon

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The truth is that CCP have a history of making game changes which are likely to improve customer retention, rather than those which would actually be better for the game.

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Ok Avon, given that you know better than CCP what is actually better for the game, how would you reduce fleet lag? Why is it when a BoB member proposes to reduce fleet lag by adding an option to turn off wrecks, you see both sides agree it was a good idea? But when goons propose less fighters, same dps you get the BoB propaganda machine?

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Less fighters leads to losing DPS faster. With the scenario presented carrier would have 5 fighters. Kill one and its 20% less damage. Now, with 10 fighters kill one and its 10% less damage. Redusing amount of fighters makes mommies and carriers lose their damage faster. And no, hitpoints doesnt matter in that.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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It's intresting to see this version of a "lowkey" threadnaught to accomplish outside of game a meta change to allow the reversal of a ingame answer to blob tactics.

Since the majority of Goon respondents have entered this thread with the appearance of doing what is best to reduce lag in eve I would assume they will eagerly agree to support a reduced system cap on number of players in a system. I think a simple 400 pilot cap will eliminate almost all of these issues.

But of course that wont happen.... because it touches the goons playstyle doesnt it....

Show me a deluge of goons supporting that obvious solution to combat lag.

Im all for improving playability of eve regardless of whos play it affects. If they implement one type of lag reducer to be honest they should implement several and share the pain among parties.

As with all changes and nerfs people will always adapt and find new tactics. I just dont want to see a combat tactic removed or altered simply because someone whines. Instead CCP investigate it. see if it has merit and change what makes sense without pressure.

my .02

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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It's intresting to see this version of a "lowkey" threadnaught to accomplish outside of game a meta change to allow the reversal of a ingame answer to blob tactics.

Since the majority of Goon respondents have entered this thread with the appearance of doing what is best to reduce lag in eve I would assume they will eagerly agree to support a reduced system cap on number of players in a system. I think a simple 400 pilot cap will eliminate almost all of these issues.

But of course that wont happen.... because it touches the goons playstyle doesnt it....

Show me a deluge of goons supporting that obvious solution to combat lag.

Im all for improving playability of eve regardless of whos play it affects. If they implement one type of lag reducer to be honest they should implement several and share the pain among parties.

As with all changes and nerfs people will always adapt and find new tactics. I just dont want to see a combat tactic removed or altered simply because someone whines. Instead CCP investigate it. see if it has merit and change what makes sense without pressure.

my .02

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Since the majority of Goon respondents have entered this thread with the appearance of doing what is best to reduce lag in eve I would assume they will eagerly agree to support a reduced system cap on number of players in a system. I think a simple 400 pilot cap will eliminate almost all of these issues.

But of course that wont happen.... because it touches the goons playstyle doesnt it....

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Originally by: James 315

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Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew

Originally by: Ria Sotori

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It's intresting to see this version of a "lowkey" threadnaught to accomplish outside of game a meta change to allow the reversal of a ingame answer to blob tactics.

Since the majority of Goon respondents have entered this thread with the appearance of doing what is best to reduce lag in eve I would assume they will eagerly agree to support a reduced system cap on number of players in a system. I think a simple 400 pilot cap will eliminate almost all of these issues.

But of course that wont happen.... because it touches the goons playstyle doesnt it....

Show me a deluge of goons supporting that obvious solution to combat lag.

Im all for improving playability of eve regardless of whos play it affects. If they implement one type of lag reducer to be honest they should implement several and share the pain among parties.

As with all changes and nerfs people will always adapt and find new tactics. I just dont want to see a combat tactic removed or altered simply because someone whines. Instead CCP investigate it. see if it has merit and change what makes sense without pressure.

my .02

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Originally by: Avon

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I think it was probably a sarcastic dig about previous system cap accusations.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Since the majority of Goon respondents have entered this thread with the appearance of doing what is best to reduce lag in eve I would assume they will eagerly agree to support a reduced system cap on number of players in a system. I think a simple 400 pilot cap will eliminate almost all of these issues.

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Gonna stun you and say that i agree, but also CCP would have to think wisely how to implement this. "Goon tactics" as you call them make up for lower-sp pilots with numbers, and even though you seem to despise this, the 15$ per month that a goon pays to CCP are as good as yours.

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Gonna stun you and say that i agree, but also CCP would have to think wisely how to implement this. "Goon tactics" as you call them make up for lower-sp pilots with numbers, and even though you seem to despise this, the 15$ per month that a goon pays to CCP are as good as yours.

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I think the referance to goon tactics is to the bringing of useless t1 friggates to a large fleet engagment to bump the numbers up to a level that crashes the node or at least makes the game barley playable.

Everybodys money is as good as anothers but bringing useless ships is a obvious attempt to screw with the game and make more lag/desync.

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Originally by: Ria Sotori

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Im all for improving playability of eve regardless of whos play it affects. If they implement one type of lag reducer to be honest they should implement several and share the pain among parties.

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Gonna stun you and say that i agree, but also CCP would have to think wisely how to implement this. "Goon tactics" as you call them make up for lower-sp pilots with numbers, and even though you seem to despise this, the 15$ per month that a goon pays to CCP are as good as yours.

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I think the referance to goon tactics is to the bringing of useless t1 friggates to a large fleet engagment to bump the numbers up to a level that crashes the node or at least makes the game barley playable.

Everybodys money is as good as anothers but bringing useless ships is a obvious attempt to screw with the game and make more lag/desync.

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Can you repeat please? I couldn't hear you over the sound of your worthless posting.

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Originally by: Orangir

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The RSF could field as many or more carriers than BoB/MC can if we decided to

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Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin

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Originally by: Nahia Senne

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Originally by: NO BRAKES

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Did someone drop a can of bookmarks during the fight yesterday?

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killboards show how many rookie ships and t1 garbage you brought.

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You should know that Goonfleet will pounce on this with the usual rhetoric about how you feel that only 'elite pvpers who have paid their dues and have millions of SP' are 'allowed' in 0.0. And when they do, they'll sound pretty convincing, because that's an arrogant, short-sighted post you just made. Please don't make it easy for them, and try not to make yourself look like the caricature of the arrogant, elitist BoB player that they'd like you to be. You are smart enough to do better.

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Originally by: Dionisius

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Wall of Text

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Originally by: marakor

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Originally by: Cippalippus Primus

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Gonna stun you and say that i agree, but also CCP would have to think wisely how to implement this. "Goon tactics" as you call them make up for lower-sp pilots with numbers, and even though you seem to despise this, the 15$ per month that a goon pays to CCP are as good as yours.

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I think the referance to goon tactics is to the bringing of useless t1 friggates to a large fleet engagment to bump the numbers up to a level that crashes the node or at least makes the game barley playable.

Everybodys money is as good as anothers but bringing useless ships is a obvious attempt to screw with the game and make more lag/desync.

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