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Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:23:00 - [1] i have taken a BS into a mission reciently and i do believe you all will want to have 1 large smart bomb because if you need to warp out i noticed the friggates ram your ship so your BS will not allign properly. and patition will not remburse for this reason. bung holes!
Doragee Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:32:00 - [2] Lol - never needed any smartie...simply don't fly bigger missions to early... --
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:41:00 - [3] i can defete level 5 missions and i was in the level 4 mission to help a corp mate and we all die because friggates or a bug in mission bounces your ship around when you need to leave.
Hads Snappingturtle	Posted - 2007.09.17 13:16:00 - [4] I don't believe you.
Lagerstars Caldari Brains For The Brainless Ltd	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:34:00 - [5] Sounds more like they were trying to orbit something you were too close to and hit your ship as a result - bit like Drones getting in the way and bumping ships too close to you when they just orbit yourself ----------------------------------------- - This space intentionally left blank -
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:46:00 - [6] Or were you just scrammed? Level 4s do have scramming frigates and cruisers..... Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Emporors Champian i can defete level 5 missions and i was in the level 4 mission to help a corp mate and we all die because friggates or a bug in mission bounces your ship around when you need to leave. So you cannot spell your own name, much less other words, you have to warp out in a lvl4, but you can defeat lvl5s? Somehow I find it hard to believe you are anything but a troll... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Mr Cleann	Posted - 2007.09.17 16:57:00 - [8] Edited by: Mr Cleann on 17/09/2007 16:58:21 If you use a bomb on your bs to clear ships, which isn't a bad isn't a bad idea. Make damn sure that no one that is in a different corp is near your ship. Same with loot cans owned by a diff corp. If you let that bomb go and it hits one of them. Then it wont matter if the npc rats kill ur ship. Cause concord will help them.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.09.17 18:25:00 - [9] no i was no was not warp jammed my speed indicater said warping... plus they were trying to warp scram me but i had stabs on including a sencer booster to counter stab effects. had an alt ship remotely reping 2 bs because was fitted mith all mids and lows having energy replenish mods so the support will never stop. we decide to refit our shipps because the npc frigates had been webbed with 8 medium guns on it and 10 medium drones on it from 2 bs and the npc drones were out reping the damage. and both bs pilots have 2 million skill points in drone skills. and have 6 million skill points in gunnery and 3 million skill points in tanking skills. this was crazy and the raven with T2 torps wasnt able to kill anything either. so i group warp out to set fleet bonus and refit for optimal damage and my suport ship flew away leaving me and a raven webbed behind. this is when we started to slowly die and 3 minuts later the raven died and 15 minutes later my rokh died.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:24:00 - [10] so you see there must be some sort of bug or whatnot in the mission
Xanidra LifeLine Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Emporors Champian Edited by: Emporors Champian on 18/09/2007 10:25:03 plus they were trying to warp scram me but i had stabs on including a sencer booster to counter stab effects. you lose eve! you can do level 5, but feel the need to fit stabs in a level four that already has someone init.
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc	Posted - 2007.09.20 02:49:00 - [12] eve wins u
CaptBruno	Posted - 2007.09.20 03:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Emporors Champian Edited by: Emporors Champian on 18/09/2007 10:25:03 no i was not warp jammed my speed indicater said warping... plus they were trying to warp scram me but i had stabs on including a sencer booster to counter stab effects. had an alt ship remotely reping 2 bs because was fitted mith all mids and lows having energy replenish mods so the support will never stop. we decide to refit our shipps because the npc frigates had been webbed with 8 medium guns on it and 10 medium drones on it from 2 bs and the npc drones were out reping the damage. and both bs pilots have 2 million skill points in drone skills. and have 6 million skill points in gunnery and 3 million skill points in tanking skills. this was crazy and the raven with T2 torps wasnt able to kill anything either. so i group warp out to set fleet bonus and refit for optimal damage and my suport ship flew away leaving me and a raven webbed behind. this is when we started to slowly die and 3 minuts later the raven died and 15 minutes later my rokh died. i was laughing so hard it took me 15 minutes to finish reading this stuff just for kicks what mission were u and your imaginary friends doing
Frumushika	Posted - 2007.09.20 10:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Leandro Salazar So you cannot spell your own name, much less other words, you have to warp out in a lvl4, but you can defeat lvl5s? Somehow I find it hard to believe you are anything but a troll... Out of interest, do you believe everyone in the world has English as their first language?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 11:13:00 - [15] No of course not but even if he is a non-native speaker (just like I am btw) he has horrible mistakes in there that make any babelfish translation look like shakespeare. In my experience people with this kind of horrible spelling are usually stupid, lazy and/or intentionally annoying native speakers. And I DO expect people to at least have the brains/dedication/decency to check the spelling on their very character name... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Garan Savlar Gallente Twilight Operations	Posted - 2007.09.20 11:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 11:17:33 No of course not but even if he is a non-native speaker (just like I am btw) he has such horrible mistakes in there that they make any babelfish translation look like shakespeare. In my experience people with this kind of horrible spelling are usually stupid, lazy and/or intentionally annoying native speakers. The inconsistency in his misspelling supports that theory in this case as well. And I DO expect people to at least have the brains/dedication/decency to check the spelling on their very character name... Errr ... "shakespeare" has a capital "S". ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 12:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 12:50:43 Originally by: Garan Savlar Edited by: Garan Savlar on 20/09/2007 12:22:27 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 11:17:33 No of course not but even if he is a non-native speaker (just like I am btw) he has such horrible mistakes in there that they make any babelfish translation look like shakespeare. In my experience people with this kind of horrible spelling are usually stupid, lazy and/or intentionally annoying native speakers. The inconsistency in his misspelling supports that theory in this case as well. And I DO expect people to at least have the brains/dedication/decency to check the spelling on their very character name... Errr ... "shakespeare" has a capital "S". Tyvm I don't expect 100% correctness obviously. But I expect people to at least TRY to make their posts intelligible and pleasing rather than hurting to other peoples eyes/minds. Which the op clearly does not. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Garan Savlar Gallente Twilight Operations	Posted - 2007.09.20 13:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 12:50:43 Originally by: Garan Savlar Edited by: Garan Savlar on 20/09/2007 12:22:27 Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 20/09/2007 11:17:33 No of course not but even if he is a non-native speaker (just like I am btw) he has such horrible mistakes in there that they make any babelfish translation look like shakespeare. In my experience people with this kind of horrible spelling are usually stupid, lazy and/or intentionally annoying native speakers. The inconsistency in his misspelling supports that theory in this case as well. And I DO expect people to at least have the brains/dedication/decency to check the spelling on their very character name... Errr ... "shakespeare" has a capital "S". Tyvm I don't expect 100% correctness obviously. But I expect people to at least TRY to make their posts intelligible and pleasing rather than hurting to other peoples eyes/minds. Which the op clearly does not. Yeah I know what you mean and I agree with you. ------------------------------------------------ Faugh-A-Ballaugh!
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.09.20 14:42:00 - [19] HAHA you fit stabs in combat Originally by: Karanth Wimps play empire. Real men play in 0.0. Hardcore masochists live out in drone space.
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:31:00 - [20] I can't believe no one else said this before me: Pics or it didn't happen! <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
Destiny Calling Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.21 06:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Emporors Champian Edited by: Emporors Champian on 18/09/2007 10:25:03 no i was not warp jammed my speed indicater said warping... plus they were trying to warp scram me but i had stabs on including a sencer booster to counter stab effects. had an alt ship remotely reping 2 bs because was fitted mith all mids and lows having energy replenish mods so the support will never stop. we decide to refit our shipps because the npc frigates had been webbed with 8 medium guns on it and 10 medium drones on it from 2 bs and the npc drones were out reping the damage. and both bs pilots have 2 million skill points in drone skills. and have 6 million skill points in gunnery and 3 million skill points in tanking skills. this was crazy and the raven with T2 torps wasnt able to kill anything either. so i group warp out to set fleet bonus and refit for optimal damage and my suport ship flew away leaving me and a raven webbed behind. this is when we started to slowly die and 3 minuts later the raven died and 15 minutes later my rokh died. FRom reading most of that, I thought you flew Amarr
Will Farva Caldari The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.09.21 08:13:00 - [22] This is truly amazing, there are surely 10k+ players in EVE who can solo any mission of level 4. To me it would seem that a pilot able to pwn level 5 missions should have wits enough to sort out a level 4 as well, not to mention fitting correct hardeners a decent tank etc. Hell, even a few months old toons can handle most level 4 missions comfortably in a passive Drake with no issues at all. Having run quite a few level 4 myself, I have never seen NPC frigs (or anything else) bump me or anyone else. Concerning damage, unless you folks fitted snowball launchers, BS's should have no problem at all in dealing with the NPC's in these missions. Certainly not with drones! This is either a pointless whine, trolling or both. ___________________________________________ The truth is in the eye of the be(er)holder
Crystalium Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2007.09.21 08:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Emporors Champian ... I'm .. amazed .. Lvl 5 are slightly harder than lvl 4 .. I'm a pure carebear, i mean, i've done lvl4 for 1 year now, never LP running, and the only mission i find "hard" is enemies abound (surely because i refuse it each time because of the standing) So .. if you're able to do lvl 5, but that with 3 bs (2 of them with 2M in drones and you don't manage to kill a freg ?!) you fail in lvl 4 .. it's really hard to believe .. What mission was this difficult ?
Sendraks Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.21 08:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Will Farva Concerning damage, unless you folks fitted snowball launchers, BS's should have no problem at all in dealing with the NPC's in these missions. Snowball launchers! Crap, so thats where I've been going wrong on level 4 missions.
James Santiago	Posted - 2007.09.21 13:39:00 - [25] Eh, this post could be some thinly veiled ploy to try and increase the number of people using smartbombs in missions, which is now an incredibly bad idea given the prevalence of cloaked recons that try to intentionally get hit by smartbombs in order to draw a concord response.
Sparkius Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.21 14:31:00 - [26] Originally by: James Santiago Eh, this post could be some thinly veiled ploy to try and increase the number of people using smartbombs in missions, which is now an incredibly bad idea given the prevalence of cloaked recons that try to intentionally get hit by smartbombs in order to draw a concord response. Good call. I'll second this as the most reasonable explanation for the amount of nonsense in the OP. <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." - Anoymous
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.09.22 11:36:00 - [27] i was also part of this adventure and i am a very old charictor. i had the most skill points and still noticed that my corp members got webbed so bad they were traveling 4ms and the friggates were ramming the battleships. champian and i were merly assisting a player that has difficult time with level 4 missions and also to speed mission where we kill and move to next mission no delays we were turning out level 4 missions in under an hour till we ran into (silence the informant) when my and champions drones together were not killing the drones we thought that to be impossible to i ordered a tacktical withdraw to refit and i was gang warped away and i was the one keeping the damage off them. they stay behind because they were ramed over and over. normaly champion and i can sit back in a level 4 mission and let the drones kill it all thats how much exp in drones but a stupid frig would not die. knock it dow to 20% shilds and not even 1 sec later 100% shilds. i think the bug in this mission was the stacking slowing ship to 4ms is ovver stacked on webbes and the friggs reping shilds like that if over stacking of remote shild repers. i do missions for angel cartel so i spend much time in 0.0
Emperors Righthand	Posted - 2007.09.22 11:54:00 - [28] i was in the mission also i was not fighting but i did get to see everything i was there to salvageas the wreaks drop. when the frigates were orbiting the battleships you see them collide then the bs would spin the opposite direction of the warp out point. why do you guys act like children and challenge somones spelling or gramer then come to find out you also mis-spell words? if your albe to raed tihs tahn you need to sotp ricdlunig poeple and be hpapy you are cpaalbe of cmoperehiotn.
Harris Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.09.22 15:49:00 - [29] Edited by: Harris on 22/09/2007 15:51:37 The post is being flamed as it seems very unlikely to have occured given the 'experience' that the OP states he has. I can however appreciate that you all weren't set up for the mission 'solo' and relied on each other to try and whiz through it. I can also appreciate that there are, on occasions, NPCs that just don't seem to want to die. For the record then, it isn't a smartbomb that you need. It is a bit of nous. 1) If your drones don't seem to want to hit the frigs, then recall them to orbit and then reassign them. They are more likely to intercept the frig rather than follow it around. I believe that was your problem. 2) Don't get blase about missions, fit for them properly and you won't get your fingers burnt next time. 3) Don't let your support leave before you do if you rely on it. Also, if it took you three minutes to die - (and 2 minutes for the first ship) then why didn't the support come back to boost you again? 4) English is my first language, I am confident that you speak it better than I do your first language. (unless your first language is German then that's a fact) - take time to correct basic spelling errors - or prepare your post in "word" or something similar with a spell check, to avoid needless flame.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This	Posted - 2007.09.24 01:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 24/09/2007 01:50:23 NPC's don't ram player ships. They simply don't. I call shenanigans. On spelling: I wish everyone used Firefox (and it's inline spell-checker). Then we wouldn't have to wade through nearly incomprehensible posts, even from non-english speakers. __________________________________________________ FOLD. The Ultimate PVP. It really is Us vs. Them. clicky
Nabar Phargal Gallente Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.09.24 02:05:00 - [31] Would rats orbiting a different target have a chance of hitting a player ship? If a rat that was targetting you runs into you, that's no NPC.
Irob Urore Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.24 06:48:00 - [32] Originally by: James Santiago Eh, this post could be some thinly veiled ploy to try and increase the number of people using smartbombs in missions, which is now an incredibly bad idea given the prevalence of cloaked recons that try to intentionally get hit by smartbombs in order to draw a concord response. QFT. dont fall for it noobies.
Kur'Dekaija Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.09.25 09:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Nabar Phargal Would rats orbiting a different target have a chance of hitting a player ship? If a rat that was targetting you runs into you, that's no NPC. I have no idea if the op is lying or not but NPC ships do bump ppl if they are orbiting another player, I experience it a lot when I'm in a corp mining op, npc orbit the tanker and bump the others if the others are in the line of the npc orbiting rout. Since they were working in groups and prolly staying close to each other with remote boosting etc. Then its possible that the npc frigs bumped them when they were trying to get out.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 09:52:00 - [34] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 25/09/2007 09:54:06 Originally by: Irob Urore Originally by: James Santiago Eh, this post could be some thinly veiled ploy to try and increase the number of people using smartbombs in missions, which is now an incredibly bad idea given the prevalence of cloaked recons that try to intentionally get hit by smartbombs in order to draw a concord response. QFT. dont fall for it noobies. all the people that claim to be with him do the same spelling mistakes, which makes me believe that they're his alts. This is just a badly thought and executed plan to suggest people to fit smartbombs. Weaklings, too weak for 0.0 or even for low sec, have to resort to this to get a killmail If this isn't a cunning plan to get people to use smartbombs for that reason, then the OP is simply stupid and beyond help. I suggest trying www.teletubbies.com where you'll find cute flash games that will suit your skill level.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.09.25 11:33:00 - [35] yeah you are also one of my alts because you make mistakes too. oh and the npc ships were not orbiting anything but my ship there was nothing in space like wreaks or asteroids or collidable objests and no friendly ships within 13km that is when the support ship left. the support ship was not going to return intime to support us again because he had to fly through acceleration gates. you know i was alive long enough he could have come back i wonder why he didnt try hmmmm. though i did say i was poped when i still had 28% shilds hehe. i wonder what the reason to critique spelling. we need a ban for those people reported to hurass others. forinstance i would be willing to be banned if i can kick these people in the teeth and spell (you got stomped) with thier blood.
Ritzy	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Sparkius I can't believe no one else said this before me: Pics or it didn't happen! What he said.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:32:00 - [37] come lose a bs for yourselfs... was in gulfonoldi level 4 agent in silence the informant mission. be sure to be over confadent and not pre allign. when you start to dye in the second stage. and you wish to warp but you cant align to anything because your webbed by 2 or more drones and you are being rammed by friggates you come back here and tell me im lieing or you want pics!
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.01 11:48:00 - [38] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 01/10/2007 11:49:16 After all your incomprehensible rambling, the only thing I can really deduct is that you died of incompetence and nothing else. Doesn't surprise me, if you don't feel it is worth the effort to make your posts less insulting to intelligent eyes, why should you feel it is worth the effort to learn every detail about missioning... Most likely you were scrammed after you already initiated warp, which means there is no voice message and your speed gauge just says warping but nothing happens. And the only one harassing anyone here is you with your abysmal and intentionally (or at least extremely negligently) wrong spelling. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:39:00 - [39] Edited by: Strife Phoenix on 01/10/2007 12:39:32 Why are you bringing logistics to Lvl4 missions.. waste of resources if you ask me. Oh and btw. Just because a man isn't wearing a shirt does not mean he is homosexual. Also, real men play eve nude! :D Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Koppite	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:04:00 - [40] let me get this right...you couldnt take the frigates out on a lvl4 mission in a rokh in the 15minutes of life your ship had left...are you making this all up or what..please tell me how u failed to blow up all the frigs within 15 minutes ?
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.10.01 20:24:00 - [41] Fraps or STFU. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Elrich Zann Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2007.10.01 21:16:00 - [42] Had you posted this a year or so ago I might have found it mildly possible (though not the bumping part) since 'Silence' had a known problem in the second area of drones causing full aggro or the second person warping in pulling the other groups onto them. However the mission been fixed for quite some time and the 'need for speed' nerfed the number of NPC's you encounter by quite a bit. 1) I have never seen an NPC frigate in a lvl 4 mission bump me. This seems very improbable since they always orbit and tend to move faster than any battleship and thus can easily keep range, especially a webbed battleship. 2) Normally if you're getting bumped around it's because you're getting hammered by cruise missiles, they can knock you out of alignment. However, the second area of 'Silence' just doesn't have that much DPS. While it can be a challenging mission for newer players, a simple omni-tank setup can run the mission without breaking a sweat. 3) While I agree that newer players need to pre-align and be ready for warp. If your listed SP are even remotely accurate, you should walk through that mission without a worry. You should not worry about warping out, kill the BC's and Battleships and there is no way the cruisers and frigates can break the tank on a battleship that has been setup for lvl 4 missions. Never mind one that has logistics help. 4) Lastly, one smartbomb would not have saved you. If your tank had failed (and I really can't imagine how), you would not have enough cap to run the smartbomb long enough to kill off the frigates. 5 Light drones are far more valuable. This warning of yours is really not all that helpful. If you are having problems with missions like this, it would be far better to join the 'lvl4' channel in game and ask for help.
SgtDeaux	Posted - 2007.10.01 22:15:00 - [43] Bullshift.. You are CLEARLY making this up. Try posting it over in the "was born yesterday noob area"
Bon Hedus Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.10.02 12:34:00 - [44] And beyond what everyone else is saying... use drones, not smarties If your ship was properly tanked for the mission you could have walked it solo. If your ship supposedly lasted 15min after the last corpie died, if you were using drones, you would have cleared the scramming/bumping frigs and wouldn't have had to worry about them dying as you had full agro on your ship. As said before... I say shenanigans! -------------------------------------- Heavy Lag Spike II belonging to EvE Cluster Node #0815 hits your Connection, wrecking your latency to 998ms
Altaree Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.02 13:22:00 - [45] So, you nerfed your setup with WCS and sensor boosters, used torps on frigs, can't solo a l4 and you expected sympathy. hehehe. I am still giggling at this one. Thanks for brightening my day!
FishtheMoose Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:26:00 - [46] Don't forget the cargo expanders!
Cmd Criton Caldari Zooner Corp SynchronizerZ	Posted - 2007.10.02 14:47:00 - [47] Edited by: Cmd Criton on 02/10/2007 14:48:36 OMG This posting is awsome. We have lousy weather outside and it's cold, but this made my day. Thnx Back on topic and i am not trying to troll or take part in any spelling debate, but there is a very important matter to consider... Smart bombs as the OP suggested are aoe damage and therfore can cause damage on structures you are not supposed to damage and hence can cause you to loose your ship to concord or at least loose standings Imagine trying to escape from webbing, bumping and ueber repping NPC frigs just to find yourself getting ganked from concord at the next station or gate **************************** Great minds think alike**
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.02 17:27:00 - [48] I lolled CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Slade Trillgon	Posted - 2007.10.02 19:43:00 - [49] I am new to EVE and was wondering if there is a link to a page that has recommended ship builds for differing missions or is that part of the learning curve. As for the spelling problems, English is not exactly a language you want to bolster as one that actually knows how to spell within its own context. Watch a little of Galligers comedy and you will see how ridiculous our language is. I was taught how to speak phonetically, unfortunately, plus I am dyslexic and I do not have a problem reading most of the feeds even with misspellings. CEUONNITD LKUC AND HPAPY HNTUNIG!!!
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:17:00 - [50] i still get bumped in the mission to this day i have had more experience with this same mission. now i kill the 2 webbers that attack me first thing. im in poor shape and pree alligned when the webbers die but i make it out! when i return i snipe the other 2 web drones by the time they are dead i can beat the mission like it was a level 1 mission because the friggats dont affect my course when my ship is moving fast. and if you know anything about this mission there are no warp jammers and i had warp core stabs fitted. so no i was not warp jammed. just happen to have a low speed like 20ms and when i started to allign my ship was knocked backto its original spot from frigates ramming me. someone mention cruse missiles can bounce you arround ah yes i do know it can slightly adjust your ship buti cant immagine that they were the cause because i was still bumped when no missiles hit me. please if you doubt me come to teonusude system, here we will gang up and i will let you go alone into mission second area and see how well you pan out with the constant ramming. you have to be in bs tho if your in a battlecrusier they wont ram you. i do not know why the figgates die easier now but they do they dont rep like they did on that day but you still will die in mission with bs if you do not prealign in the 3 seconds you have unwebbed. and no i will not come save you.
Haldir Ravenclaw Ordo Occultus Deus Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.08 02:40:00 - [51] To cut a long story short... NPC's do not ram ships. At all. Ever. As soon as they agro you they'll come towards you and orbit you at a certain distance. No if's or but's, they just do. Hell, I've run so many missions in my time (and same for alot of people here) to know this. Originally by: "Emporors Champian" you have to be in bs tho if your in a battlecrusier they wont ram you. Why would rats be specific to ramming you (which, I repeat again, don't) depending on the ship you were in? We all learn from mistakes, but this just sounds out of this world I'm afraid.
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.10.08 05:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Haldir Ravenclaw We all learn from mistakes, but this just sounds out of this world I'm afraid. Some of us learn from our mistakes, the most fortunate learn from those of others. Some people... seem doomed to repeat them. To the OP and his multitudinous (see, big words make you look smart, but only if you spell them right) alts, if you can't SOLO Lv4's in a Rokh, WTH are you doing even thinking about lv5s. ---------- Signature core stabiliser II activated. This sig is immune to mod tampering! Rawr! EVE Tracking Guide
pandymen Caldari Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.10.08 09:19:00 - [53] Edited by: pandymen on 08/10/2007 09:20:25 It's quite simple. I think this guy is one of the many seemingly korean (the 4 gangs i've seen by me have been so far) groups of ninja salvagers who are going to sit cloaked next to missioners in hub systems and hope they use smarties. The facts don't check out. And if he was a noob, he wouldn't bother suggesting anything on the forums. He simply wants this thread to get people to use smarties. Edit: And for hte love of god...don't fit stabs when you mission. Half of your problem, if you actually do lose ships, is that you take forever to lock frigs in your BS cuz of the stabs. Any mission that includes jamming/damping ships means you get pwned.
Vorok Silver Aria	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:50:00 - [54] It would be funny if this turned out to be true and a GM was doing it as revenge for a poorly spelled petition.
McScruff Grudjorn Logistics	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Emporors Champian please if you doubt me come to teonusude system, here we will gang up and i will let you go alone into mission second area and see how well you pan out with the constant ramming. you have to be in bs tho if your in a battlecrusier they wont ram you. Translation: Please come to Teon and ask us about this, we will then invite you into our group and take you on a mission and proove to you that you need to fit smartbombs. Don't forget the smartbombs so you'll survive. Don't worry we'll be there to help loot yo.. save you. Remember, Bring a battleship so we get more loo.. so it will work. ______________________________________ Warning: May contain traces of sarcasm
Elrich Zann Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2007.10.09 22:15:00 - [56] Ran the mission today, got full aggro on the second room and calmly motored to gate @ 2m/s since all 4 spider drones webbed me. ALL frigates happily circled me at between 8673m and 8674m. NONE ever approached close to me, there was no bumping as I let them all live until the end. All 4 spider drones webbed me and circled happily @ 7586m. Tank was invul field (C. Navy), kinetic hardner (t2), and Thermal Hardner (t2). DPS was easily tanked (4 battleships and maybe a dozen cruisers). No smartbombs needed.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.10.09 22:25:00 - [57] I demand my 5 minutes wasted on this thread back ! What a pathetic attempt at manipulating player behaviour for personal gains from the hordes of misspelled name alts... DISGUSTING. _ 1\|2\|3
the blender Viper Intel Squad	Posted - 2007.10.10 11:49:00 - [58] God my eyes bleed from the stupidity, this OP is so full of crap it's untrue. Never in many hundreds of lvl4 missions (and I mean hundreds, my faction standing is 9.25), have I ever been bumped by NPC frigs, even in the hardest COSMOS missions where the NPC's are buffed to hellish levels. And I find it interesting that the OP had an ISK farmers fit, seems farming players in missions is the new macro mining. Will we get badly worded ransome demands from Mr. Happy lucky Funtime and Macroed Smack in local. I can't wait, shame I live in 0.0 now eh :)
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.10 17:35:00 - [59] This, and the beyond obvious alt posts that verify the truth of Emperorosororsors Chamapoappapaina (My spelling slightly more accurate than the OP's) has cheered me up immensely.
Gartel Reiman Project F3	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:08:00 - [60] Amongst the atrocities towards the English language and general comedy, we have: Originally by: Emporors Champian and if you know anything about this mission there are no warp jammers and i had warp core stabs fitted. plus Quote: if you doubt me come to teonusude system So you knew there were no warp jammers in the mission - and you were in highsec... but you still felt like fitting WCS to your ship for the fun of it? If this isn't some thinly veiled lie to get others popped, then you definitely, definitely lost your ship to incompetance.
Lugburz	Posted - 2007.10.10 20:53:00 - [61] Edited by: Lugburz on 10/10/2007 20:57:13 HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!! Silence the informant? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! noob try http://home.broadpark.no/~tijohann/eve/missions/ next time
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.10.28 19:50:00 - [62] i was the the support i remote rep and energy transfer this set up we sue for level 4 or 5 mission and never change it for any reason this set up was pure cake walk for speed not from fear. we do most missions in half hour to hour tops with this set up each one of us could solo this mission normaly except the salvager. we all were doing damage to npc ships but the damage was reped in a blink of an eye it was not down to 30% shilds then 40% then 50% it went from 30% to 100% bam as fast as you blink. the attack ships had enough tank to survive most missions and im there to make sure they dont die or use to much cap but supporting them when we all warp in we sat still not allign or anything because w just that hard to kill so did not worry then when we saw we not doing damage w were thinking bug... or lag.... or re equip damage type. the tank would have held up till down time but we were not killing anything so i said for everyone to warp and i hit gang warp well i with the support ship warped off and the salvager warped and the heavy hitters stay to die. i have 30 mill skill points champ has like 25 mill and brute had 14 mill and salvaer had 9 mill we defenatly had the skill and the ships all were fully t2 fitted rokh and faction fitted navy raven with my fully T2 fitted malestrome for support. this set up has stood the challenge of 13 level 5 missions. but die in retreat from a easy level 4 mission believe us or not thats on you but thats not any lie or exaduration of any kind. we now just simply speed tank this mission to avoid any further heavy loss. an inty can buzz about fast enough to absorb all damage and any ship can kill the rest of mission i know because we have beated this mission with an inty and a interdictor. not very time effecient but achievable
Astronoe Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.29 00:43:00 - [63] lil' Wall Of Text !
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.10.29 01:49:00 - [64] I have never seen NPC ships bumping player ships, and I have never seen NPC repper drones (or any other kind of drones) in any lvl4 mission. If it is as you say, and you see it every time you do the mission, simply fraps it, and post the movie. I am sure you will clear all the missunderstandings, and get appologies from anyone in this thread who didnt believe you. The only mission where I have seen that kind of repping for NPCs is in "Break their will", but thats a lvl3 mission. And I doubt that mission could break the tank of a rokh even if it had a very creative fitting.
HexterBexter Gallente Auscan Skyes Limited	Posted - 2007.10.29 05:56:00 - [65] Why didn't your support ship come back if you were having trouble... Someone quietly drown this thread please and let us get on with out lives...
Azirapheal Amarr The Bastards	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:05:00 - [66] wts english spelling skillbook (rank 0)
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:42:00 - [67] I have been bumped by an NPC ship before. It does happen. In a level 3 mission, Intercept something or other, I was just sitting there in my Drake, when I was rammed by an NPC hauler, repeatedly. I've also been bumped by NPC frigates while attempting to warp out. It didn't really matter, because I was warp scrammed anyway, but they did bump into me. PS - Fitting warp stabs on a combat ship of any kind is a good way to lose your ship. Fitting one automatically makes your tank or your DPS worse. Fitting a sensor booster to compensate for it makes either of those things even worse. The only ships that should ever have warp stabs fitted on them are haulers and other transport ships (e.g. on your frigate if you are running low sec courier missions). Ships that have absolutely no reason to engage in any aggressive behavior. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:01:00 - [68] T1 scout drones and good drone skills are your best friend. Why T1? Because they are cheap and chances are they are free because they are often dropped as loot. If a T1 drone pops, who cares. I know this is not a great thing for Gal mission runners with all the nasty drone aggro things and what not and the fondness for expensive T2 drones, but consider this ... Warp to the mission with a bunch of cheap drones and your biggest tank. Smack down all the scrambling frigs and then warp out. Leave the cheapo freebie drones behind and go and get your big nasty t2 drones and come back and take out whatever is left. The cost of the cheapo drones is less than what the average caldari pilot spends in missiles by a long shot. -AS
Tappits Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.10.30 19:28:00 - [69] Originally by: SpawnSupreme i was also part of this adventure i had the most skill points and still noticed that my corp members got webbed so bad they were traveling 4ms and the friggates were ramming the battleships. champian and i were merly assisting a player that has difficult time with level 4 missions and also to speed mission where we kill and move to next mission no delays we were turning out level 4 missions in under an hour till we ran into (silence the informant) What so there were 3 of you and you can only do 1 L4 mission per hour? Wtf? I can solo Angel ExtragavanzaÆs 6 rooms in 1h 4min so wtf are you doing wrong. O and ncpÆs donÆt ram you and you think that getting webbed to 4m/s is bad but you run L5Æs come on. O and just because you had the most SP? What does that mean? SP is not every thing. You F A I L ! ! -I suck at pvp but that does not stop me from poping your pod :)
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.10.30 19:30:00 - [70] I am unimpressed. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Mal Foronzonost	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:21:00 - [71] This thread is long ..... I feel guilty for posting on page 3 - oh well my noob advice would be to r-click on your ship cancel your failed warp attempt try to steer away from what ever obstructions are bumping you (assuming its not really the drones) and then try to warp again then again the op mentioned alt support ships (presumably flying in some kind of obit or match distance formation) in that case its possible the npc drones were in orbit/ around/ had aggro-ed one of these support ships and that they were in fact bumping the BS - in this case the solution may have been to atl back to the support ship - stop orbiting or keeping at distance - warp that ship out - alt back to the Bs and then warp that out too - (sorry if some one already said this - I didnÆt read the whole of page 2 and 3 - this thread is already rather long ) (spell checked using Microsoft Word )
K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:39:00 - [72] Originally by: Emperors Righthand i was in the mission also i was not fighting but i did get to see everything i was there to salvageas the wreaks drop. when the frigates were orbiting the battleships you see them collide then the bs would spin the opposite direction of the warp out point. why do you guys act like children and challenge somones spelling or gramer then come to find out you also mis-spell words? if your albe to raed tihs tahn you need to sotp ricdlunig poeple and be hpapy you are cpaalbe of cmoperehiotn. WTB cmoperehiotn. Sincerely, K'reemy ---
K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:42:00 - [73] Originally by: Mr Friendly On spelling: I wish everyone used Firefox (and it's inline spell-checker). Then we wouldn't have to wade through nearly incomprehensible posts, even from non-english speakers. QFT and /Signed Sincerely, K'reemy ---
Lugburz	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:04:00 - [74] HAHAHAHHAHAHA... still funny 3 ships, one lvl 4.... you sure it wasnt a lvl 5?
Brute Fighter3	Posted - 2007.11.04 11:58:00 - [75] my poor navy raven! stupid friggs ramming me only reason i lost it. my poor faction items... half lost and almost lost other half to time out i plea for help in local and got more players to help out. my corp mates did not wanna go back in there so the guys that went into my mission, 1 die and the others quit! and i could not get my faction items so i had to cancel mission after i book mark in my pod. the grab my items. sure glad to see we were not the only people to be rammed. we have learn a neat trick since then... if you double click in space 170 degree from current headding your ship turns at its fastest and then double click again when your front is alligned with something then start warp. if you practice you can get your ship to spin like a top lol, fast... start out at 0ms then d/c behind you then again and again. try it hehe
Barter Town	Posted - 2007.11.04 17:04:00 - [76] Empororses Chaggala-- the solution is to have nothing but smartbombs in high slots and barrel roll through the entire mission. Also don't forget to make a few other alts to spam your bull**** thread a bit more-- the name FinalFantasy33Q is still available, so pounce on that immediately. BT
Brute Fighter3	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:25:00 - [77] whoot! took long enough but i got my navy raven return to me... hahaha this rocks time to kill some more evil NPCs
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:37:00 - [78] Edited by: Emporors Champian on 06/11/2007 11:37:38 IM loving it, i got my rokh return to me because i reported this problem to bug finders and they have descovered there are mission not limited to one i die in but all of them. every mission has a small chance to be bugged and ramming has been noted and will be fixed in the next patch or thr fallowing patch
Yarry McYaryar Caldari Lords of Maelstrom Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:51:00 - [79] some ppl just need to be shjot to protect those that play eve well, i can do lvl 4's in a poorly fitted drake and only osmeitmes do i need the phoon my friend has to tank for me, and the droens come no where nere u u should be shot for using a haulign settup on a rokh, the poor poor ship! ------------------------------------------------ my main is Packa Real ppl use their mains to post on the forums, but they can atleast tell you their main, anyone else should be [b]con
SaintyBoyo Caldari New Order Dragoons	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:59:00 - [80] Edited by: SaintyBoyo on 06/11/2007 14:04:01 Originally by: Emporors Champian Edited by: Emporors Champian on 06/11/2007 11:37:38 IM loving it, i got my rokh return to me because i reported this problem to bug finders and they have descovered there are mission not limited to one i die in but all of them. every mission has a small chance to be bugged and ramming has been noted and will be fixed in the next patch or thr fallowing patch Never mind about the problematic story but... So can we expect you to have full high slots of smart bombs now? support ships being blown up by yourself and concord coming to say hey ;) not a good idea in gangs been there done that myself hehe never used one again

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