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concubine 15	Posted - 2007.09.18 07:15:00 - [1] Is it worth putting a command ship pilot with max mining bonus's + implant into a rorqual and what sorta numbers would u be looking at? atm i got the barge mining lasers cycle times to 139.5 would manning the Rorqual drop this number by much more ? with ice t2 harvestors cycle times are around the 3mins 45 sec mark and standard turrent lasers cycling at approx 46sec (could not remeber exactly)

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.09.18 08:52:00 - [2] currently, you get 131.4 duration vs. the 139.5 duration with mindlink on the rorqual when it is in industrial mode. Which with four hulks and a two hour op equates to about 2 extra cans of ore (57,158m3)

concubine 15	Posted - 2007.09.18 09:15:00 - [3] What level of capital industrial ship skill would your numbers be based off? if thats level 1 then :)

CCP Chronotis	Posted - 2007.09.18 09:27:00 - [4] sadly no :) Capital Industrial Ship skill lvl vs hulk with MSMII duration 1 : 139.50 2 : 137.47 3 : 135.45 4 : 133.43 5 : 131.40

Dedaf Gallente Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.18 10:04:00 - [5] Originally by: concubine 15 What level of capital industrial ship skill would your numbers be based off? if thats level 1 then :) Check out my Mining calculator, it shows you easy what is best to mine with and cycle time
concubine 15	Posted - 2007.09.18 11:55:00 - [6] thks for all the replys, its cleared alot up that mining spreedsheet was awsome, showed me what i needed to see as to what to mine,
Buildius Maximus	Posted - 2007.09.18 13:10:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP Chronotis sadly no :) Capital Industrial Ship skill lvl vs hulk with MSMII duration 1 : 139.50 2 : 137.47 3 : 135.45 4 : 133.43 5 : 131.40 I sooo want to spend 2b+ on a ship that is such a difficult target to take down and increases mining output so dramatically.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.09.18 14:31:00 - [8] You fail to see the uberness of having a maxed Rorq pilot in the gang It's all about style Not that I ever would undock my Rorq unless it was in high-sec tho lol Did you find Chribba's LoveCan ?

Caligulus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:32:00 - [9] Style is all it is. That extra boost equates to having those 4 hulks mine for another 7.5 minutes to get those last 2 cans vs. training capital industrial ship skill to lvl 5. Can you say useless time sink? ------------------------------------------------- ** Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my MAC cant ** Right click.
Montaire Lacedaemon.	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Chribba You fail to see the uberness of having a maxed Rorq pilot in the gang It's all about style Not that I ever would undock my Rorq unless it was in high-sec tho lol Not saying that Im not a fan of style, and dont get me wrong I already have a nice butt groove worked into mine. However I really think these things need to change mining like Carriers changed PVP. Right now its just not happening.
Artmedis Valben Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:07:00 - [11] The numbers aren't right Chronotis. Each level of Industrial Cap Ships adds 5% to the effectiveness of the ganglinks, no? so maxed out without Rorqual with the mindlink we have 22,5% which translates to 139,5 sec cycle time at ICS level 1 22,5% times 1,05 is 23,625% = 137,475 secs at ICS level 2 22,5% times 1,1 is 24,75% = 135,45 secs at ICS level 3 22,5% times 1,15 is 25,875% = 133,425 secs at ICS level 4 22,5% times 1,2 is 27% = 131,4 secs at ICS level 5 22,5% times 1,25 is 28,125% = 129,375 secs unless level 1 doesn't count at all. ___________________________________________ Selling PERFECT PRINTS of almost all seeded BPOs. Lobster of Babel currently holds 671 of the 728 Tech 1 BPOs seeded. 7 ships and Capital are missing.
Torelia	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:26:00 - [12] Hmm... So there is absolutely no point in using one of these in a belt when my max spec leadership command ship corp member gives the same as level 2 rorqual. No reason for that to sit in a belt, lame.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:00:00 - [13] We need an ORE Command Ship tbh, I do like the Rorqual (just because it's a carebear thing) but it still lacks a smaller type of vessle with mining bonuses. Did you find Chribba's LoveCan ?

Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp.	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:03:00 - [14] There's always hope for mining fighters, but I'd rather just use my eos for the time being. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT Corp.
Halada Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Chribba You fail to see the uberness of having a maxed Rorq pilot in the gang It's all about style Dork Click on my sig to read it !
Aidyn Avery	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:05:00 - [16] can a Rorqual go into high sec space? sorry, if that is a noob question, but I dont know the answer
PauZotoh Zhaan Teylas Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:47:00 - [17] Edited by: PauZotoh Zhaan on 18/09/2007 19:47:36 Originally by: Aidyn Avery can a Rorqual go into high sec space? sorry, if that is a noob question, but I dont know the answer no, it cant, Do rorqual need to be in industrial mode to give gang bonus?
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:33:00 - [18] Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Do rorqual need to be in industrial mode to give gang bonus? According to its bonuses (i havent confirmed this), yes. Personally, i'd like to see this applied to the moros' drone bonus, too, but that's a matter for another forum .
PauZotoh Zhaan Teylas Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Do rorqual need to be in industrial mode to give gang bonus? According to its bonuses (i havent confirmed this), yes. Personally, i'd like to see this applied to the moros' drone bonus, too, but that's a matter for another forum . Then its bettter to use EOS with 3 gang modules and 5miners t2:P or pvp setup with cyno?:P then sit in ror to get slight bonus and risk 2b+ ship
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:22:00 - [20] Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Then its bettter to use EOS with 3 gang modules and 5miners t2:P or pvp setup with cyno?:P then sit in ror to get slight bonus and risk 2b+ ship Why risk it? Drop a small POS. If you can't afford a single small POS, a corp hangar array, and the fuel costs, you probably shouldnt even be considering using a rorqual as a gang link ship.
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.19 02:13:00 - [21] OK CCP HOW am I suppose to use this ship? What did you expect us to do with it? Seriously I'm asking because I want to know not flame you. And I will use it the way you intended it to be used. but with no direction we'll all just say ... nice try Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.19 03:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Then its bettter to use EOS with 3 gang modules and 5miners t2:P or pvp setup with cyno?:P then sit in ror to get slight bonus and risk 2b+ ship Why risk it? Drop a small POS. If you can't afford a single small POS, a corp hangar array, and the fuel costs, you probably shouldnt even be considering using a rorqual as a gang link ship. Because if you don't take it out you can't use its tractor beam bonus and need someone to haul the ore to you to compress. That said I'd never use it like that in 0.0, if I get one it's going to be solely a compression machine (I'll leave jump-hauling to the carriers). ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.19 05:36:00 - [23] If you take the ship to the belt to use the tractor beams you either: a) have to siege in the belt to keep the mining bonus and compression going -- this seems risky or b) leave siege and lose the mining bonus and also the ability to compress and be a worthwhile hauler -- without being able to compress the rorq can only haul about twice as much as a T2 hauler but with the agility of a capital ship which would render it less useful than a real hauler. The rorq seems cool, but I'm not sure it is much better than just using a normal hauler taking things to a POS. The rorq can compress all the ore in a minute or two, and then jump out. It doesn't really need to be at the op for its design feature unless you really want tractor beams -- at which point you have to siege in the belt for 5 minutes which people will want to avoid.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.19 07:41:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Chronotis currently, you get 131.4 duration vs. the 139.5 duration with mindlink on the rorqual when it is in industrial mode. Which with four hulks and a two hour op equates to about 2 extra cans of ore (57,159m3) So, you gain like what, maybe 25 mil worth extra in ore (that's two can's worth of best ore right now, right) ? Realistically speaking, more like 20 mil, even less. Divide by four pilots in two hours, and it's 2.5-3 mil extra per hulk pilot per hour (if you don't count the Rorqual pilot in on the split, then it's only 2-2.5 mil extra). Well, not bad, but not impressive either. And at L4 in both skills, you eat up 15360 units of heavy water (6144 m^3) in the process (in 2 hours). At least the cost is negligible (half a mil or so). Just remember to bring enough of it with you for the whole op. _ [CNVTF] is recruiting \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: PauZotoh Zhaan Then its bettter to use EOS with 3 gang modules and 5miners t2:P or pvp setup with cyno?:P then sit in ror to get slight bonus and risk 2b+ ship Why risk it? Drop a small POS. If you can't afford a single small POS, a corp hangar array, and the fuel costs, you probably shouldnt even be considering using a rorqual as a gang link ship. Because if you don't take it out you can't use its tractor beam bonus and need someone to haul the ore to you to compress. That said I'd never use it like that in 0.0, if I get one it's going to be solely a compression machine (I'll leave jump-hauling to the carriers). New ships should come with a guide on how we are supposed to use them :D. And we are to write guides on how we use them in not intended ways Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Corp web site Recruitment Looking for experienced players Looking for new EVE players Services [Service] Killboard hosting [Service] Forum hosting [Service] Web site hosting [Service] Obelisk for rent [Service] Alliance Creation
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Blazing Fire New ships should come with a guide on how we are supposed to use them :D. And we are to write guides on how we use them in not intended ways For two weeks before they will be "balanced".
Tenderfoot 2	Posted - 2007.09.19 12:18:00 - [27] Edited by: Tenderfoot 2 on 19/09/2007 12:20:10 Edited by: Tenderfoot 2 on 19/09/2007 12:19:09 Originally by: Artmedis Valben The numbers aren't right Chronotis. Each level of Industrial Cap Ships adds 5% to the effectiveness of the ganglinks, no? so maxed out without Rorqual with the mindlink we have 22,5% which translates to 139,5 sec cycle time at ICS level 1 22,5% times 1,05 is 23,625% = 137,475 secs at ICS level 2 22,5% times 1,1 is 24,75% = 135,45 secs at ICS level 3 22,5% times 1,15 is 25,875% = 133,425 secs at ICS level 4 22,5% times 1,2 is 27% = 131,4 secs at ICS level 5 22,5% times 1,25 is 28,125% = 129,375 secs unless level 1 doesn't count at all. NO - why The theorie results are good. But its not the cycle time but that every ganglink have his own results of extra bonus: mining foreman link - laser optimization >> into duration Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency >> Capacitor need Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement >> into yield etc. etc. greetings Tenderfoot_NL (Alt of Nobody_NL)
Liam Money Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.19 14:48:00 - [28] Ya I don't get this ship anymore. I mean ore compression is cool, but I see the hardest minerals to move around are the low ends which are mined in safe sec, but you can't get jump into safe sec, so uh ya, I guess you could do your low end mining ops in a .4 or lower system, but for the average low end miner that is hard to do. This ship really isn't going to help where I thought it would, and that was the transportation of low end materials, since you need so many of them.
Lord DarkStar Gallente Mobile Alcohol Processing Units United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:26:00 - [29] you can have a pos in low sec empire,have all the ore you want compressed in pos or station hangers,transport it to the capital,have it compress till its full of veld or scordite or whatever you want,jump to a 0.0 refining stations and there you go,or a pos refinery ... We of the Unicorn clan are the best horsemen in the land,our horses are our lives and brothers,we fight as one,we live as one,we die as one.
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.09.19 18:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Lord DarkStar you can have a pos in low sec empire,have all the ore you want compressed in pos or station hangers,transport it to the capital,have it compress till its full of veld or scordite or whatever you want,jump to a 0.0 refining stations and there you go,or a pos refinery ... Looks like POS Compression Array, would make much more sense than Rorqual.
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 18:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Salia Deluri OK CCP HOW am I suppose to use this ship? What did you expect us to do with it? Seriously I'm asking because I want to know not flame you. And I will use it the way you intended it to be used. but with no direction we'll all just say ... nice try It think the intended purpose of the ship is right in its description/bonuses. It is designed to jump to a remote belt, deploy some barges/exhumers, clone in the pilots, go into industrial mode, and start mining. It will give the bonuses to the miners through the links, pull in the ore with the tractor, compress it, and stickpile the compressed ore. The compressed ore is then put either in the hold, and jumped back to the site of manufacturing, or put in a hauler and taken back. The advantage is not just the slightly better use of the links, but the lack of the need for haulers. Put these hauler characters in barges and see the real advantage. Now, this is the intended purpose. Whether it is used in this matter, is up to the pilot. Prospector Class
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.09.19 21:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Clansworth It think the intended purpose of the ship is right in its description/bonuses. It is designed to jump to a remote belt, deploy some barges/exhumers, clone in the pilots, go into industrial mode, and Welcome to the hostile killboard near you. Only today, special ORE Corporation Capital Ship Division promotion: Come to the hostile killboard near you with your friends, stranded in Hulks deep in hostile territory (near you). Don't forget faction or officer stuff!
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 22:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Mona X Originally by: Clansworth It think the intended purpose of the ship is right in its description/bonuses. It is designed to jump to a remote belt, deploy some barges/exhumers, clone in the pilots, go into industrial mode, and Welcome to the hostile killboard near you. Only today, special ORE Corporation Capital Ship Division promotion: Come to the hostile killboard near you with your friends, stranded in Hulks deep in hostile territory (near you). Don't forget faction or officer stuff! I in no way said it would work, I was just stating the intended purpose, which was asked. Prospector Class
Deirdre Skye Caldari Capital Traders	Posted - 2007.09.19 22:29:00 - [34] I think this will be the last word in ninja mining. Sneak in a recon ship to dead end of space cyno some people in and mine like crazy.
Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2007.09.19 22:54:00 - [35] Originally by: Clansworth I in no way said it would work, I've never said that. :) Originally by: Clansworth I was just stating the intended purpose, which was asked. It could work if rorq could cloak when she's in industrial mode. But imagine that whine.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.20 03:36:00 - [36] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 20/09/2007 03:36:28 Originally by: Deirdre Skye I think this will be the last word in ninja mining. Sneak in a recon ship to dead end of space cyno some people in and mine like crazy. Someone will see your presence on the map and come check it out. Originally by: Lord DarkStar you can have a pos in low sec empire,have all the ore you want compressed in pos or station hangers,transport it to the capital,have it compress till its full of veld or scordite or whatever you want,jump to a 0.0 refining stations and there you go,or a pos refinery ... Because I'm going to risk moving the slowest ship in the game without a jump drive, moving trit worth a fraction of the ship's value to low-sec... ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.20 05:57:00 - [37] So what is the support plan for this thing? A carrier? Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.09.20 09:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Salia Deluri So what is the support plan for this thing? A carrier? The plan is that you never, ever use it outside of a POS. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD
Aykido Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:00:00 - [39] Or you use it deep in your alliance territory. Lock the system bring in a fleet for defence, scouting and as many hulks as you can in Carriers and Moms as well as the Rorqual. Even if the Rorqual can only tractor in one belt at a time, it will give bonus to all the Hulks in the system. Put the rorqual in the Wing Commander and have defence pilots in Squad leaders and you can boost dozens of Hulks at the same time. Clean a system in a matter of Hours of every roid. Thats how I see it used :) This is especially good for systems you haven't got an Outpost near. Selling PERFECT PRINTS of every seeded T1 BPO: modules, rigs, drones, ammo and ships (4 ships missing), and most capital modules too! Selling any INVENTED T2 BPC by order! Can build also!
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Aykido Or you use it deep in your alliance territory. In a pos. No space is safe, except that within a pos' force field.
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:22:00 - [41] I appreciate all the responses from players and I too see this used in an OP with a full defense support group at the belt. Now I would like an answer from CCP as to how they intended it to be used. I can't see CCP saying this needs to sit at a POS. If that is the case WTH are the tractors for. And something this size should not be easily take out by a roaming gang of 10 or 15 pilots. That's absurd. Come on CCP gives up some help here. It really sucks when you guys sit around silent. -Deluri Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.
Elmicker The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Salia Deluri I too see this used in an OP with a full defense support group at the belt. The ONLY way to defend a 0.0 mining op is to lock down the system by placing your defense gang on the gate with a large bubble. Sitting a capital, which will take anywhere up to a minute to align out, in a belt, is idiocy. Now matter how good you think your "defense group" is, it isn't. Quote: I can't see CCP saying this needs to sit at a POS. It's not for CCP to tell you how to use anything. You're meant to decide how to do it. Quote: And something this size should not be easily take out by a roaming gang of 10 or 15 pilots. And why not? These things are meant to be well-protected. That means a locked down system, or a POS and a network of scouts.
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Elmicker Originally by: Salia Deluri I can't see CCP saying this needs to sit at a POS. It's not for CCP to tell you how to use anything. You're meant to decide how to do it. They told me I was not using my carrier they way they intended so explain to me again why they can't tell me how they intended the Rorqual to be used? Originally by: Elmicker Quote: And something this size should not be easily take out by a roaming gang of 10 or 15 pilots. And why not? These things are meant to be well-protected. That means a locked down system, or a POS and a network of scouts. So I agree on the locked down system. done that. What I want to know is if you intenede this thing to sit at a POS, why did they add Capital Tractor beems and why are they talking about making gang bonuses only afect the grid you are on? Some of your comments don't hold water when all the facts from CCP are on the table. Last why can;t CCP speak up about this instead of us reading their minds? -Deluri Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.09.20 20:47:00 - [44] Quote: The plan is that you never, ever use it outside of a POS. QFT. There are pirates, mercs and your enemies licking their chops at the idea of some sucker sitting in a belt with that thing in "Factory Mode". Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Farham Quote: The plan is that you never, ever use it outside of a POS. QFT. There are pirates, mercs and your enemies licking their chops at the idea of some sucker sitting in a belt with that thing in "Factory Mode". This is very true. That's why this thing needs some more tinkering. Hell a well fit hulk is a formadable foe, this thing shoudl be too. It shoudl take a capital ship or at least 20 ships to take this out. (hey I can dream can't I) Besides, there are only two types of Rorqual pilots... Those that have been ganked, and those that WILL be ganked -Deluri Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.
Herring Pimpology Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.09.21 02:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Mona X Looks like POS Compression Array, would make much more sense than Rorqual. ^^^^Winner winner chicken dinner
RC Denton	Posted - 2007.09.21 18:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Herring Originally by: Mona X Looks like POS Compression Array, would make much more sense than Rorqual. ^^^^Winner winner chicken dinner Ya this seems to make far more sense than a 2B capital ship. I really like the idea of an industrial cap ship. This thing would make an incredible empire/0.0 supply ship if it could go into high sec like a freighter, but as it stands it seems fairly useless. And if the target audience for it is a large alliance which will put one pilot in it for a locked down mining op then it seems like a lot of dev effort for such a small scale use.
SMB	Posted - 2007.10.01 12:35:00 - [48] Originally by: RC Denton it seems like a lot of dev effort for such a small scale use. After carefully going over the calculation for a maxed out hulk with a rouq in a gang ninja mining, it turns out 1 hulk roughly makes 40mill per hour, and it takes nearly 3.2 hours to fill a Roq with Ark... so that is about 600mill for an entire ninja op. Now when you factor in: 0.0, hostiles everywhere + extra scout support and or carrier support and fuel bills, fielding 4 hulks in a belt with a bs tanker or using the roq to tank... You field nearly 3 bill min of ships, for 600 mill after 3 hours if hoping someone and there gang of friends doesn't spot you in 0.0..?! This isnt a whine, it is just the ship is well rubish I can not see even hardcore miners using it, that is if people mine anymore
Moon Dogg Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 20:13:00 - [49] Originally by: SMB Originally by: RC Denton it seems like a lot of dev effort for such a small scale use. After carefully going over the calculation for a maxed out hulk with a rouq in a gang ninja mining, it turns out 1 hulk roughly makes 40mill per hour, and it takes nearly 3.2 hours to fill a Roq with Ark... so that is about 600mill for an entire ninja op. Now when you factor in: 0.0, hostiles everywhere + extra scout support and or carrier support and fuel bills, fielding 4 hulks in a belt with a bs tanker or using the roq to tank... You field nearly 3 bill min of ships, for 600 mill after 3 hours if hoping someone and there gang of friends doesn't spot you in 0.0..?! This isnt a whine, it is just the ship is well rubish I can not see even hardcore miners using it, that is if people mine anymore So, are you suggesting that a group deploying a Rorqual should earn enough in one three-hour mining session to pay for the ship itself? Because that is probably NOT the right way to think when using the ship. Of course, if you can string together 5 such successful ops, you have a nice sum as a result and have probably paid for the ship. I still think that this ship has definite plusses, especially if you can find a nice system with certain qualities. I can't wait to deploy one myself, as I just became Rorqual-capable yesterday. *********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..."
Salia Deluri Cirrius Technologies O X I D E	Posted - 2007.10.12 00:24:00 - [50] I have decided there are two types or Rorqual pilots. Those who have lost their rorqual and those that will. I'm am now OK with that. Then agian there is the ORCA? -Deluri Code of Deluri Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today.

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