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GM Nova
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.09.19 10:36:00 -
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Hello traders.
As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.
Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.
regards GM Nova
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2007.09.19 11:21:00 -
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WOW finally you do this, about damn time nova...now do something about the farmers just buying a new char. and farming again :)
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SublightNova
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Posted - 2007.09.19 13:13:00 -
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Thank god!!! :)
BTW, are the problems with the character selling solved?
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Brraiinnnssss
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.09.19 14:29:00 -
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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.
There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?
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Jacobi Borne
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.19 15:39:00 -
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But that's how people buy motherships and titans
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deena
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Posted - 2007.09.19 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jacobi Borne But that's how people buy motherships and titans
they can buy them for 1 mouth......
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.
There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?
Ironic username for one that doesn't use one... Resellers buy GTCs, thus it's completely illogical to pass accusations that it's in their interest to raise prices lmao. *Whallops with duh Clue-By-Four* The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.
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Khanid Honey
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Posted - 2007.09.19 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Leonne The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.
I'm soo sorry that you got nerfed.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Honey
Originally by: Amber Leonne The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.
I'm soo sorry that you got nerfed.
Tell that to my fleet worth over a quarter trillion isk *Blows kisses* bu-bye now o/
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Asroha Cloudwalker
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Posted - 2007.09.19 19:06:00 -
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This rule is really ********, like short bus ********.
CCP - How do you plan on enforcing this?
Inquiring minds want to know...
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Khanid Honey
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Posted - 2007.09.19 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Leonne
Originally by: Khanid Honey
Originally by: Amber Leonne The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.
I'm soo sorry that you got nerfed.
Tell that to my fleet worth over a quarter trillion isk *Blows kisses* bu-bye now o/
Make sure you don't get banned when you try to convert it back to cash. Would be sad to see all your hard work be for nothing.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 19:31:00 -
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The profits are for another fleet and some frivilous fun, sorry to ruin the basis of your accusation.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:01:00 -
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It took far too long for this to happen but I'm glad CCP finally did it. Good stuff.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.
Well now resellers can concentrate their attention on other items to price fix ;) I would expect GTC prices to drop slowly, which is good news for a lot of players who pay for their accounts with ISK.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: Brraiinnnssss This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.
Well now resellers can concentrate their attention on other items to price fix ;) I would expect GTC prices to drop slowly, which is good news for a lot of players who pay for their accounts with ISK.
... No, we'll be back at square one when the GTC system came, resellers stood back for a week and the GTC market fell apart with prices soaring higher than the averages that're currently available. This time there won't be any enterprising "resellers" coming to save the day and reset market stability by providing a constant floor and ceiling to prices. Nope, sorry folks, anyone's who've ever wanted this all to happen will now have to reap the rewards of rampant price gouging based on on-sight supply and demand with no one providing a measure of stability other than perhaps a name or two who's cached hundreds of GTCs to exploit such economic foulups and CCP blunders.
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Zantrei Kordisin
True Centii
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Leonne ... No, we'll be back at square one when the GTC system came, resellers stood back for a week and the GTC market fell apart with prices soaring higher than the averages that're currently available. This time there won't be any enterprising "resellers" coming to save the day and reset market stability by providing a constant floor and ceiling to prices. Nope, sorry folks, anyone's who've ever wanted this all to happen will now have to reap the rewards of rampant price gouging based on on-sight supply and demand with no one providing a measure of stability other than perhaps a name or two who's cached hundreds of GTCs to exploit such economic foulups and CCP blunders.
It sounds like you got owned.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Craminu
Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: Brraiinnnssss This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.
Well now resellers can concentrate their attention on other items to price fix ;) I would expect GTC prices to drop slowly, which is good news for a lot of players who pay for their accounts with ISK.
it might go the other way also.
supply and demand. nothing that resellers can do anything about. if prices rises. it might show how many "legal" gtc sellers there is. i bet some of the unsecure was an way to launder iskies.
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:31:00 -
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Amber is sour since she lost all the isk she made thorugh trading GTC's. WAsnt it like 40bil ? Understandably she has something to say. Duh , you would be the same.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:34:00 -
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Sidenote, let's all give CCP a preemptive thanks for doubling the Isk seller spam we're about to see because now these alliances don't have a legal exportation option to switch to/continue using.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Craminu it might go the other way also.
supply and demand. nothing that resellers can do anything about. if prices rises. it might show how many "legal" gtc sellers there is. i bet some of the unsecure was an way to launder iskies.
Yes, supply and demand dictate prices for any items sold in game. Players who have been buying them for ISK and selling them for real life money will no longer be taking those codes out of the GTC market. Supply of codes available for sale for ISK is about to increase. This is why I predict a price drop, but time will show.
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Wynona
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:38:00 -
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ROFL! Pwning the scalpers, that's funnier than hell
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Zantrei Kordisin
True Centii
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Leonne Sidenote, let's all give CCP a preemptive thanks for doubling the Isk seller spam we're about to see because now these alliances don't have a legal exportation option to switch to/continue using.
And how does that work exactly? With the new avenues people have, such as this forum, for trading time codes, there isn't going to be a problem. Well, except for you. Unlucky on your attempt to turn your time in EVE into a business venture.
Now go away, most people despise what you, and others, have been doing, and you are unlikely to find much sympathy at all.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet
Originally by: Craminu it might go the other way also.
supply and demand. nothing that resellers can do anything about. if prices rises. it might show how many "legal" gtc sellers there is. i bet some of the unsecure was an way to launder iskies.
Yes, supply and demand dictate prices for any items sold in game. Players who have been buying them for ISK and selling them for real life money will no longer be taking those codes out of the GTC market. Supply of codes available for sale for ISK is about to increase. This is why I predict a price drop, but time will show.
You can't take codes out of the market or they cease to have a value/worth/function. They mantain value/worth/function by being sold to GTC buyers who sell them ingame to whomever for whatever purpose. To say GTCs are being taken out of the market is like saying I just put 100K Isk into my real leather purse and walked away from the computer with it. Aside form the plastic cards you'd get from EVE's store, you can't walk off with a GTC, nor Isk. One's a code, one's REALLY code lol, digital phantom that has no existence/worth outside of EVE.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Amber Leonne Sidenote, let's all give CCP a preemptive thanks for doubling the Isk seller spam we're about to see because now these alliances don't have a legal exportation option to switch to/continue using.
And how does that work exactly? With the new avenues people have, such as this forum, for trading time codes, there isn't going to be a problem. Well, except for you. Unlucky on your attempt to turn your time in EVE into a business venture.
Now go away, most people despise what you, and others, have been doing, and you are unlikely to find much sympathy at all.
Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2007.09.19 20:59:00 -
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I imagine the GMs hate you Amber - lolz ! This ovcourse being y view , which is based on the fact that most people responding here don't agree with what you do/done. Play the game like the majority -for fun ! not for RL money.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo'sMother I imagine the GMs hate you Amber - lolz ! This ovcourse being y view , which is based on the fact that most people responding here don't agree with what you do/done. Play the game like the majority -for fun ! not for RL money.
yes, the GMs depise the person that pays their salaries 50-100 times better than the average player. I must be sorely despised by the staff whom I generate income for on a grander scale than most accountholders could fathom, I am such a useless contributor to EVE's community, etc etc etc. You have no idea how I play the game, only a select few individuals in EVE are remotely privy to my activites outside of my GTC business and my fleet management. I happen to be here eagerly awaiting the avatars walking around the stations with great anticipation just to stare at docked ships lol. Those who don't agree with me 9 times out of 10 (Or higher average) turn out to be trolls, business competitors, or those incompetent/ignorant regarding all of the facts regarding the dynamics of a stituation/scenario being discussed. Good day to you sir.
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Voodoo'sMother
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Posted - 2007.09.19 21:06:00 -
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Personally i just don't like youre smug attitude. Now stfu mmmk
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Voodoo'sMother Personally i just don't like youre smug attitude. Now stfu mmmk
I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.09.19 21:09:00 -
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Lets face it, Amber may not necessarily have been doing anything illegal or against the EULA, she was simply taking advantage of the market presented.
This is not to say that the GTC reselling was not used to launder "dirty" ISK, or that it was not used as a "Currency Exchange" mechanism out of game. Where GTC was bought legally in game for ISK, then was resold on E-bay/Other Online trading hubs for real currency, thus converting ISK into Hard Cash.
Whatever the repercussions are on the GTC market, a tight control and execution of the trades, and only allowing GTC to be sold via authorized system in game, will and is going to benefit the game. Secure method of GTC transfers has passed all the necessary tests, and as such now supplants any and all previous methods of trading.
The old method is gone. No more unsecured transaction, and EVE is better for it. This will really put another crimp down on the RMT traders who were using the flawed GTC Trading policy to cash out ISK and were converting it into Real Cash.
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Amber Leonne
Gallente New Eden Technical Institutes
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Posted - 2007.09.19 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Amber Leonne on 19/09/2007 21:16:52 No I wasn't? I was funding a private fleet
Cute banner by the way
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