Originally by: Jacobi Borne

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But that's how people buy motherships and titans

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.

There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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Originally by: Khanid Honey

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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I'm soo sorry that you got nerfed.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Originally by: Khanid Honey

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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I'm soo sorry that you got nerfed.

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Tell that to my fleet worth over a quarter trillion isk *Blows kisses* bu-bye now o/

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.

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Originally by: Sicil Fioet

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.

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Well now resellers can concentrate their attention on other items to price fix ;)
I would expect GTC prices to drop slowly, which is good news for a lot of players who pay for their accounts with ISK.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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... No, we'll be back at square one when the GTC system came, resellers stood back for a week and the GTC market fell apart with prices soaring higher than the averages that're currently available. This time there won't be any enterprising "resellers" coming to save the day and reset market stability by providing a constant floor and ceiling to prices. Nope, sorry folks, anyone's who've ever wanted this all to happen will now have to reap the rewards of rampant price gouging based on on-sight supply and demand with no one providing a measure of stability other than perhaps a name or two who's cached hundreds of GTCs to exploit such economic foulups and CCP blunders.

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Originally by: Sicil Fioet

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market.

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Well now resellers can concentrate their attention on other items to price fix ;)
I would expect GTC prices to drop slowly, which is good news for a lot of players who pay for their accounts with ISK.

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Originally by: Craminu

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it might go the other way also.

supply and demand. nothing that resellers can do anything about.
if prices rises. it might show how many "legal" gtc sellers there is. i bet some of the unsecure was an way to launder iskies.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Sidenote, let's all give CCP a preemptive thanks for doubling the Isk seller spam we're about to see because now these alliances don't have a legal exportation option to switch to/continue using.

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Originally by: Sicil Fioet

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Originally by: Craminu

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it might go the other way also.

supply and demand. nothing that resellers can do anything about.
if prices rises. it might show how many "legal" gtc sellers there is. i bet some of the unsecure was an way to launder iskies.

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Yes, supply and demand dictate prices for any items sold in game. Players who have been buying them for ISK and selling them for real life money will no longer be taking those codes out of the GTC market. Supply of codes available for sale for ISK is about to increase. This is why I predict a price drop, but time will show.

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Sidenote, let's all give CCP a preemptive thanks for doubling the Isk seller spam we're about to see because now these alliances don't have a legal exportation option to switch to/continue using.

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And how does that work exactly? With the new avenues people have, such as this forum, for trading time codes, there isn't going to be a problem. Well, except for you. Unlucky on your attempt to turn your time in EVE into a business venture.

Now go away, most people despise what you, and others, have been doing, and you are unlikely to find much sympathy at all.

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Originally by: Voodoo'sMother

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I imagine the GMs hate you Amber - lolz ! This ovcourse being y view , which is based on the fact that most people responding here don't agree with what you do/done. Play the game like the majority -for fun ! not for RL money.

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Originally by: Voodoo'sMother

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Personally i just don't like youre smug attitude. Now stfu mmmk

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.

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Originally by: Terrin Moneymaker

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.

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Can I get serviced?

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Originally by: Terrin Moneymaker

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.

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Can I get serviced?

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Whatcha offering?

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Here is my guess, and if I were CCP I would do this:

I m betting 10 Mill, that CCP will incorporate GTC Sales into the "My Account" part of the website. When? I do not know, but I am sure it is coming, it is the only logical way to solve some of the concerns people have, when it comes to re-activation of accounts using the GTC method.

In other words, if you have an Inactive Account, you can still login into my "My Account" page that allows you to re-activate the account. I bet, they will include, "Accept GTC Transaction & Reactivate Account" option, at which point if the 'Inactive' character in game has the ISK, the sale goes through and account is active again.

Of course, one difficulty would be: Which character has the ISK?

Well, simple solution is to make an option in "My Account" page to designate a "Main" character on the account, just for such an occasions, in which case all is well, and will go smoothly. After all, we all do have our "Mains" on the accounts.

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Originally by: Sheikh Fahish

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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...Stuff...

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This already works fine, so long as you have a friend or another account available to ask a seller to sell one to the inactive character you'd like to revive.

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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Originally by: Sheikh Fahish

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Originally by: Jinx Barker

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...Stuff...

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This already works fine, so long as you have a friend or another account available to ask a seller to sell one to the inactive character you'd like to revive.

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You mean if I have an inactive account, with ISK present on a character, and someone uses a secure method and sends that character a GTC, I will be able to accept it via the "My Account" part of the website?

Wow, impressive. Then there are no issues whatsoever in my opinion. Things are good.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.

There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?

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Ironic username for one that doesn't use one... Resellers buy GTCs, thus it's completely illogical to pass accusations that it's in their interest to raise prices lmao. *Whallops with duh Clue-By-Four* The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced.

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No, Your troll's on because you admitted selling ETC's on Ebay that you bought with the "profits" you made from ETC selling..

Plus you admitted that you were farming Hulk Pilots to sell for isk to buy ETC's to sell on ebay... and well....

to a lot of us your a dirty isk seller..

There is no problem with the ETC system as it is, it needs no resellers. a large 3,000 player alliance needs you why? If they cant figgure out how to make a forum post (WTS 15,000 90d codes) then they should probably quit eve.

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Originally by: Rigo Vargas

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So here is my question.

How do they expect to track such illegal activity? If they are simply watching for large transfers of isk and claiming those are illegal GTC sales then that simply won't do. I transfer large sums of isk to my main corp all the time once I have accumulated a set amount with this character I transfer it to my main character. Hopefully their tracking of this is much better than I anticipate. Otherwise we have a much larger problem. But I see an issue here that can be overcome as others have been overcome in the past. It will only be a matter of time before this issue is satisfied by everyone.

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Originally by: Arithron

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Edited by: Arithron on 20/09/2007 22:11:24
Nothing new from any GTC reseller that has posted here...just the same old inflated self-worth etc.

Funny how they think they are making CCP money by doing what they do (heh, did!). Trouble is, for every gtc they brought with isk and sold for cash, they were doing CCP out of a sale by taking a customer. Essentially, they were getting something for nothing....I'm not suprised that CCP has finally clamped down on them (congrats on that, BTW).

Now I am just waiting for CCP to bring an option to buy GTC direct from them via secure system for RL cash (credit card/paypal etc) via the account section.

Is this likely?

Ari

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Originally by: Arithron

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Funny how they think they are making CCP money by doing what they do (heh, did!). Trouble is, for every gtc they brought with isk and sold for cash, they were doing CCP out of a sale by taking a customer. Essentially, they were getting something for nothing....I'm not suprised that CCP has finally clamped down on them (congrats on that, BTW).

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Originally by: BunnyGunny

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Having waded through the masses of crap spouted, singled out facts from giant steaming wads of total fiction I have the following to point out.
Assume 1000 idiots in eve want to turn their real money into isk, buying outright is against eula, so they sell tcodes.
Now, assume that a further percentage of idiots are resellers, resellers buy low and sell for profit while also buying masses of gamecards which reduces availability to gtc buyers. This CAUSES resellers to bump the prices up via natural economics.
NOW if there are no resellers around to add on thier personal profit margin the gtc will become inherently cheaper over a matter of time as the supply isn't strangled by the mass buyers and moves much closer to meeting the demand.

Economics with rocket science 101
Demand > supply = price up
Supply > demand = price down

Losing resellers will increase supply, would you like a calculator?

Now go farm those belts up and get me my faction fittings...

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Originally by: BunnyGunny

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Assume 1000 idiots in eve want to turn their real money into isk, buying outright is against eula, so they sell tcodes.
Now, assume that a further percentage of idiots are resellers, resellers buy low and sell for profit while also buying masses of gamecards which reduces availability to gtc buyers. This CAUSES resellers to bump the prices up via natural economics.
NOW if there are no resellers around to add on thier personal profit margin the gtc will become inherently cheaper over a matter of time as the supply isn't strangled by the mass buyers and moves much closer to meeting the demand.

Economics with rocket science 101
Demand > supply = price up
Supply > demand = price down

Losing resellers will increase supply, would you like a calculator?

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Originally by: BunnyGunny

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The in game market has many points of sale, GTC's now do not. There is a single point of sale and I'm quite expecting the people who wanted to turn RL money into isk in the first place will still want to do that, except now they will sell directly to us eliminating "middle men" so to speak.
Therefore supply will not change much, its middlemen that are pwned here :D

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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i'm gonna go ahead here and break with regular eve-o scheduling and say some stuff that isn't stupid:

GTC resellers fill a role that should be filled by either the game or out of game resources: making the purchase and sale of GTCs convenient, fast and easy. ask yourself if you'd be okay with an automated system for GTCs, much like the in-game Market function - you probably would. Resellers fill that function because it is desired but missing, and the margin they take is what people are willing to pay for this service.

i'll be the first to admit i milked this for all it's worth, but understand that no matter how much people ***** about resellers, the fact that they are still in business is entirely CCP's fault just as much as the T2 lottery was, and is direct evidence that they are not only needed, but wanted, no matter how vocal you forum *****s are.

one of these days i should write a GTC Manifesto xD

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 24/09/2007 12:37:14

Originally by: Baxalusx

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i'm gonna go ahead here and break with regular eve-o scheduling and say some stuff that isn't stupid:

GTC resellers fill a role that should be filled by either the game or out of game resources: making the purchase and sale of GTCs convenient, fast and easy. ask yourself if you'd be okay with an automated system for GTCs, much like the in-game Market function - you probably would. Resellers fill that function because it is desired but missing, and the margin they take is what people are willing to pay for this service.

i'll be the first to admit i milked this for all it's worth, but understand that no matter how much people ***** about resellers, the fact that they are still in business is entirely CCP's fault just as much as the T2 lottery was, and is direct evidence that they are not only needed, but wanted, no matter how vocal you forum *****s are.

one of these days i should write a GTC Manifesto xD

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I think you and others are miss understanding what the word resellers mean.

Resellers - Someone who buys an item at cost or around cost and sales it

What we have here, and you alike are RERESellers, people who are buying from resellers, to resell, this is bad. Nothing wrong with buying game time or even selling it, just buy it from one of the many "REAL" sources for CASH!!!! and resell it for ISK!

There isn't no role that needs to be filled or CCP would of not of done this.

Suck it up, face it that you know and everyone else knows that this is a hell of alot better, prices are going down, and will keep going down because we don't have "reseller kiddys" playing there games. This is better for everyone.

Just face it like a man, or in your case a goon.

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Originally by: Dumb Butt

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What we have here, and you alike are RERESellers, people who are buying from resellers, to resell, this is bad. Nothing wrong with buying game time or even selling it, just buy it from one of the many "REAL" sources for CASH!!!! and resell it for ISK!

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Originally by: Nobues

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There isn't no role that needs to be filled or CCP would of not of done this.

Suck it up, face it that you know and everyone else knows that this is a hell of alot better, prices are going down, and will keep going down because we don't have "reseller kiddys" playing there games. This is better for everyone.

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Originally by: Sheikh Fahish

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This forum is an incredibly inefficient (witness the former resellers' margins) market for timecodes, and nothing better exists. Without the resellers profiting by smoothing things out, the price swings between timezones with greater supply or demand will almost certainly grow larger.

This is how a market works. I'm not an interested party, I merely have both bought and sold timecodes without using resellers' services at different points in time.

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 24/09/2007 15:42:28
As pointed out many times, you still can not say that this is a bad thing. Only bad to you people who buys ETG from other players and resells them. I don't give a rats ass if you did make 80Billion. How much real live cash did you spend on that.

You ether spend way to much and have no real life and lives in mom's basement, or you bought the time codes using isk from other players to resell them.

If you spent real live cash and got them from the right people then I'm happy for you but your need to learn how to make real isk and not buy your way in to the game.

Your still a noob and for a few more years your still be a noob, in eve you can not buy your way in to being a good pvper. Or knowing how to react, its about learning and doing, exp. Something that by buying your way in to 80B, you do not have.

Buying ETG for Real Cash, then selling them good
Buying ETG for Isk, then selling them BAD

End of my point. Will not keep on a subject that most of you do not get, or understand as you do not have the exp in the game yet, as you spend real cash buying your way in, and now you think because you have a few bill because you sold a time code your bad ass.

There are 4 types of players in this game.

Type 1) people who pay cash to play, and knows how to make isk.
Type 2) People who pay cash to play, but sell ETC to make there isk.
Type 3) People who buys ETC to play, and knows how to make isk.
Type 4) The scum who buys ETC to plays but also sales to make there isk (with they will soon go buy buy, (thank you for that CCP about time))

type 1 and 3 are true players, I'm betting you mr goon are type 2 or 4. enough said good night.

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Originally by: Nobues

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There isn't no role that needs to be filled or CCP would of not of done this.

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Originally by: Nobues

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Suck it up, face it that you know and everyone else knows that this is a hell of alot better, prices are going down

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Originally by: Nobues

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Nothing wrong with buying game time or even selling it, just buy it from one of the many "REAL" sources for CASH!!!! and resell it for ISK!

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Originally by: Nobues

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Edited by: Nobues on 25/09/2007 07:24:08
I'll put this as easy as I can.

This is good, nothing wrong this this and this is how it should be.
[ETC sellers -- cash for codes]----[ETC Resellers -- code for isk]
Doing it this way market is stable, we know how people got there codes, we know its the lowest price. People are happy.


How lets add something to this.
[ETC sellers -- cash for codes]----[ETC Resellers -- code for isk] - [ETC ReReSellers -- isk for code for isk]
People doing it this way are bad for a few reasons, taking a code that people got from a seller for 15 bucks, then selling it for 150m, then someone buying it for 150m adding 50m to it, and reselling it. This add's a unknown step that is bad for any type of market.

There will come to a point where you have no idea what the items value really is. Like how the T2 market was before invenstion came out, it was all ****** up just bad the way it was, now its stable working well.

Give a few more weeks for the "ReReSeller Kiddies" to get there ETC out and for them not able to get a restock of them and the ETC will stable and the real value of ETC will return in tot he has of people who paid real cash for them and away from the hand of the "ReReSeller Kiddies", who have no clue on what there doing.

Again Nothing but good things with this change, no one has been able to say anything other wise.

BTW, something is being made clear, everyone who says they have a big prob with the current system they need to go out and take a class on how to earn there isk, and stop reselling time codes.

There needs to no new system, as the current system that replaced the old one works just fine and well, have a prob with it done use it and cancel your accounts due to you can't reresell time codes anymore.

Last post on this so..

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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i'm gonna go ahead here and break with regular eve-o scheduling and say some stuff that isn't stupid:

GTC resellers fill a role that should be filled by either the game or out of game resources: making the purchase and sale of GTCs convenient, fast and easy. ask yourself if you'd be okay with an automated system for GTCs, much like the in-game Market function - you probably would. Resellers fill that function because it is desired but missing, and the margin they take is what people are willing to pay for this service.

i'll be the first to admit i milked this for all it's worth, but understand that no matter how much people ***** about resellers, the fact that they are still in business is entirely CCP's fault just as much as the T2 lottery was, and is direct evidence that they are not only needed, but wanted, no matter how vocal you forum *****s are.

one of these days i should write a GTC Manifesto xD

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Originally by: Heikki

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Even that is only needed if folks feel GTC transactions are problematic and complain enough to CCP.

-Lasse

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Originally by: deena

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Originally by: Jacobi Borne

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But that's how people buy motherships and titans

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they can buy them for 1 mouth......

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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Originally by: Heikki

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Even that is only needed if folks feel GTC transactions are problematic and complain enough to CCP.

-Lasse

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Your post's essentially right except for this. Are you seriously advocating what amounts to democratic process in an MMOG's design flow? because hahahahahaahahaaaaaaa yeah that is dumb you are dumb

In fact, if everyone who has no idea how the GTC market works could just go ahead and stop throwing in their two cents, that'd be great, because while everyone has their two cents, most people just swallowed a couple of pennies, took a crap and expect us all to want their ****-smeared coins (or however that one goes). Thanks, get out of the thread.

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Originally by: R Worker102

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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Originally by: Heikki

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Even that is only needed if folks feel GTC transactions are problematic and complain enough to CCP.

-Lasse

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Your post's essentially right except for this. Are you seriously advocating what amounts to democratic process in an MMOG's design flow? because hahahahahaahahaaaaaaa yeah that is dumb you are dumb

In fact, if everyone who has no idea how the GTC market works could just go ahead and stop throwing in their two cents, that'd be great, because while everyone has their two cents, most people just swallowed a couple of pennies, took a crap and expect us all to want their ****-smeared coins (or however that one goes). Thanks, get out of the thread.

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sounds like someone lost his only way to make isk.. I do not fell sorry for you

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Originally by: Sicil Fioet

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Edited by: Sicil Fioet on 26/09/2007 21:56:57

Originally by: R Worker102

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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Originally by: Heikki

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Even that is only needed if folks feel GTC transactions are problematic and complain enough to CCP.

-Lasse

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Your post's essentially right except for this. Are you seriously advocating what amounts to democratic process in an MMOG's design flow? because hahahahahaahahaaaaaaa yeah that is dumb you are dumb

In fact, if everyone who has no idea how the GTC market works could just go ahead and stop throwing in their two cents, that'd be great, because while everyone has their two cents, most people just swallowed a couple of pennies, took a crap and expect us all to want their ****-smeared coins (or however that one goes). Thanks, get out of the thread.

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sounds like someone lost his only way to make isk.. I do not fell sorry for you

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Sounds like another person who knows nothing about GTC trade deciding to post. GTC trade has been a dying business ever since introduction of secure system. Not only did it prevent GTC traders from price fixing that everyone who generally doesn't think much but can click "reply" button on this thread is accusing them of, but many more trades were not going through their hands. So all the resellers, even Amber Leonne who has held the reseller #1 title for a long time, have got other ways of making ISK rather than completely relying on something that wasn't going to last. In other words you can save your pity.

The only thing that is going on in this thread is that a few of us bother to take our time and explain what has been going on in this business. But I see that it is more of less futile as some people (not everyone) post without thinking, having any experience, understanding the market, assume that everyone else's experience is just like theirs, and throw stones in the wrong direction just because it gives them joy. And everyone else is posting to ask for some kind of system that would allow trading codes without sitting and bumping own forum thread for hours and even days, to sum it up.

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Originally by: R Worker102

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yep you lost your way to make isk also it seems like.. You people need to stop crying and deal with it.

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Originally by: Stackitup

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Edited by: Stackitup on 27/09/2007 06:48:08
Well I donÆt claim to know every thing, however IMHO the fact that GTC sales are being limited to one code at a time is certainly going to turn off a good percentage or sellers, and the fact that there is no longer a legal way to be a reseller can only drive prices up, seeming as most sellers where long time established resellers that had time to skim the boards for the better part or 24/7 and buy all the GTC's then find a price where they could turn a profit, NOW you remove that, and you get a market that not only have less codes because some sellers wont buy in bulk and there is no longer the competitive edge of trying to underbid the guy who has 100 codes selling for less then you hope to sell yours at, AND your left with fewer sellers, fewer codes, and as in the RL market and as SUPLY and DEMAND dictate less supply and increasing demand means higher prices...


WELL thatÆs my 2 cent any way... and I add on to that the FACT (not opinion) that prices ARE higher now then I have seen them in over a year....

HOWEVER besides the raising prices I truly believe that this system is (in the long run) better for all of EVE, because it removes the possibility that some one might get scammed.

Personally I think they should make GTC an item you can buy from an ingame vender, that would lock the price very well.

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Originally by: Delichon

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Will the prices on GTC fall? Hard to say, because those who buy in bulk will not buy (cut in demand => price down), those who sell in bulk will not sell (cut in supply => price up) and the middle man was cut out (price down).

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Originally by: sdasdasdadaws

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Edited by: sdasdasdadaws on 27/09/2007 12:11:14
What happens if you are selling a 90 day GTC, and a player convos you and says he doesnt want to use the secure system, and when i say i will only use the secure system and start to explain why he transfered 400mill to my wallet. No evemails, no label on the transfer, just 400mill into my wallet. Can i keep it? Rules are a little gray in this area.. and i dont mind sending it back if i have too, but a free 400 mill is always nice :)

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Yes now that this rule is in effect all the isk farmers will stop, since after all they are rule abiding players of eve.

Seriously though, the only people effected by this is legitimate players.

"ccp: lets screw over all of the players in eve, instead of taking a slightly harder route, and targeting people actually breaking the rules"

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Originally by: R Worker102

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Direct buy now with is so so so so much better, you know your getting the lowest price.

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Originally by: R Worker102

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Originally by: fugazii

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Originally by: GM Nova

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Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Yes now that this rule is in effect all the isk farmers will stop, since after all they are rule abiding players of eve.

Seriously though, the only people effected by this is legitimate players.

"ccp: lets screw over all of the players in eve, instead of taking a slightly harder route, and targeting people actually breaking the rules"

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no the only people effected by this are legitimate players who buy time codes for isk and resells them for isk.

They should not of even been part of it.

Direct buy now with is so so so so much better, you know your getting the lowest price.

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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I'd like to point out that since the reseller ban went into effect, 30 day GTC prices have risen by 10m ISK, from 180m to 190m.

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Originally by: Leora Nomen

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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I'd like to point out that since the reseller ban went into effect, 30 day GTC prices have risen by 10m ISK, from 180m to 190m.

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Actually the prices were 200 mil and over before the ban and getting a 90 day code for lower than 400 was extremely difficult. I'd say they went down by 10 mil and not up.

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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Originally by: Leora Nomen

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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I'd like to point out that since the reseller ban went into effect, 30 day GTC prices have risen by 10m ISK, from 180m to 190m.

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Actually the prices were 200 mil and over before the ban and getting a 90 day code for lower than 400 was extremely difficult. I'd say they went down by 10 mil and not up.

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The effect you describe is the revived difference between timezones, as demand/supply fluctuates with no way to smoothen it out. Average price has indeed gone up.

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Hello traders.

As of today, trading ETCs for ISK outside our Secure ETC trading system is NOT allowed.

Players found to be trading ETCs for ISK via EVEmails or any other method will receive an official warning on their account, and may possibly lose their ISK, depending on the circumstances.

regards
GM Nova

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Originally by: Leora Nomen

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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I'd like to point out that since the reseller ban went into effect, 30 day GTC prices have risen by 10m ISK, from 180m to 190m.

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Actually the prices were 200 mil and over before the ban and getting a 90 day code for lower than 400 was extremely difficult. I'd say they went down by 10 mil and not up.

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Originally by: VERSTRANG1

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this is a flat out lie. I bought timecards on a regular basis for 150 during US primetime. During Asian primetime the prices were around 180-190.

Now? I have a problem finding them @ 190, as most go for 200. 90days always were around 380-400, anything over 400 was a ripoff.

You either spent 0 time looking for the right price, or you are lying. I have been buying timecards for a long time and never paid 200 for a 30day.

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Originally by: Leimao Cluinct

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84 days ago, I bought a 90-day GTC for my account for 360 mill isk. Now the LOWEST price I can find is 400 mill....

Last month, when I renewed another account, I paid what I thought was an outrageous price of 180 mill for a 30-day GTC. I can't find one for under 200 mill now.

I'd say prices have gone up...

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Originally by: entropykaos

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What stops a etc Seller/Buyer from not converting it into cash? It just made it more inconvient to sell in a legit way.

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.

There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?

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Ironic username for one that doesn't use one... Resellers buy GTCs, thus it's completely illogical to pass accusations that it's in their interest to raise prices lmao. *Whallops with duh Clue-By-Four* The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: entropykaos

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What stops a etc Seller/Buyer from not converting it into cash? It just made it more inconvient to sell in a legit way.

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When you sell a code in the secure system it's applied directly to the account..

So there is no way to convert it into cash.

Prices havent moved much since ccp changed the rules.. Some people are selling higher, some people are selling lower. ISK for GTC has generally follow'd the trend value of (EVE)ISK itself.. so if the value of ISK goes down, then the price of GTC's goes up (or in reality, the value doesnt change, only the number associated with the value)..

I am sorry people think that there's a "time zone" attach'd to the forums as well.. I would like to ask them why they think that American post dont appear in Asian time zone computers? or Asian post dont appear on American time zone computers?.... The forums are not based on any region so time zone request (buy & sell) are not an issue of time.

Resellers for ETC's are Bad IMHO.... The only way I would support it is IF ccp would allow time codes to be moved ONLY via the secure system (once in, never out) type of thing. Time codes WILL go up as the value of isk goes down.. With "Invention" now in place there's a lot of tech2 gear that's cheap and many people may not even need to support their iskflow via GTC's anymore, so it's possible that Invention will cause a huge price in GTC's..

Personally, the "Gooons" saying resellers gone makes the GTC price go up is silly, as some of the ebay people admitted buying bulk codes from goonfleet...

I would much rather see ccp just add a simple trading system (like a share trading system) for GTC's.. The ingame market finds prices fairly well, and if we had a system listing tons of buyorders with tons of sellorders then the average values would be easy to see.

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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ok personally this erks me. specially with the amber sit, i have done business with amber several times, and have had no problem with her. if people are willing to pay more to buy from her that is thier choice. i just liked being able to get rid of my gtc's fast. now that its gonna tale me about a month to move 20gtc's i dont think ill ever buy another one..

thanks CCP for ruining a good thing

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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ok personally this erks me. specially with the amber sit, i have done business with amber several times, and have had no problem with her. if people are willing to pay more to buy from her that is thier choice. i just liked being able to get rid of my gtc's fast. now that its gonna tale me about a month to move 20gtc's i dont think ill ever buy another one..

thanks CCP for ruining a good thing

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It took you 7 mins to sell 3 90d etc's and you got about 20% more than amber would have paid you for them..

Explain to me how ccp ruin'd a good thing for you?

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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thanks CCP for ruining a good thing

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It took you 7 mins to sell 3 90d etc's and you got about 20% more than amber would have paid you for them..

Explain to me how ccp ruin'd a good thing for you?

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it ruined a good thing for everyone dude. prices were going up not because of her, but because of demand, now you watch, give it about oh say a month and 90d's will be about 500-600m because people will stop wanting to sell them.

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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thanks CCP for ruining a good thing

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It took you 7 mins to sell 3 90d etc's and you got about 20% more than amber would have paid you for them..

Explain to me how ccp ruin'd a good thing for you?

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it ruined a good thing for everyone dude. prices were going up not because of her, but because of demand, now you watch, give it about oh say a month and 90d's will be about 500-600m because people will stop wanting to sell them.

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Ahhhh
okay
I got it
CCP Ruined a good thing by allowing you to sell your ETC's in 7 mins for 20% more..
They also made it worse for you because now instead of getting 400m for your 90d codes, your going to get 500-600m for them....

Yes, your argument about how they are hurting you sure does seem to be showing.

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Originally by: ForsakenSoldier

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No what he is saying since youre so daft, is that now to sell them it will take longer which defeats the whole purpose of why he liked the timecard system as it was. He could log in, find a bulk buyer, and offload a bill worth of timecodes in 5 minutes. Now he has to sell each one as a seperate timecode which takes time.

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Originally by: ForsakenSoldier

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No what he is saying since youre so daft, is that now to sell them it will take longer which defeats the whole purpose of why he liked the timecard system as it was. He could log in, find a bulk buyer, and offload a bill worth of timecodes in 5 minutes. Now he has to sell each one as a seperate timecode which takes time.

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Jebezus..
Okay, so he offloaded 3 90d in 7 mins (view his history)..
going by his 600m each idea, that's 1.8 bil.. in 7 mins...
I think that's highly comparable to (log in and offload a bil in 5 mins)

When selling the codes you have to do 3 things
1) type out code
2) type out the isk you want for it
3) type out the name

when selling insecure you have to
1) type out codes
2) hope the buyer isnt going to stick you via petition
3) hope your not going to get bann'd when the person you sold to is caught selling isk
4) take a HUGE hit on price because the other person is going to be reselling (it's only fair that the reseller makes a markup, but why would anyone be so stoopid to NOT make a simple forum post)

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Originally by: DeODokktor

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Jebezus..
Okay, so he offloaded 3 90d in 7 mins (view his history)..

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Originally by: Sicil Fioet

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'clip'..Using services of resellers they'd make less on their bulk sale but save on time and all this hassle, and to these people their time was worth more. This is also why you see that many GTC sellers are asking for some kind of a market put in place where you can just set up your codes and go away and people would come and claim them just like we got a market in EVE. Would make things a lot easier for both sellers and buyers.

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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My sense of smug superiority continues to grow as GTC prices go ever higher.

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Originally by: Baxalusx

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My sense of smug superiority continues to grow as GTC prices go ever higher.

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Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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... No, we'll be back at square one when the GTC system came, resellers stood back for a week and the GTC market fell apart with prices soaring higher than the averages that're currently available. This time there won't be any enterprising "resellers" coming to save the day and reset market stability by providing a constant floor and ceiling to prices. Nope, sorry folks, anyone's who've ever wanted this all to happen will now have to reap the rewards of rampant price gouging based on on-sight supply and demand with no one providing a measure of stability other than perhaps a name or two who's cached hundreds of GTCs to exploit such economic foulups and CCP blunders.

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It sounds like you got owned.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

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Originally by: kenna holcolm

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Originally by: Amber Leonne

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Originally by: Brraiinnnssss

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This is wonderful news. I remember petitioning this not long ago because the resellers are trying to buy up all the gtcs to fix the prices on the market. I have to say way to go CCP! You took care of that issue pretty quickly after it came up.

There really isn't any reason to trade GTCs outside of the secure system, and by not allowing it CCP gets to save a lot of resources dealing with banning scammers on that end and we don't have to deal with characters like Amber Leonne, or the isk to cash conversion outfits. I once heard someone had 800 30 day gtcs- Why should anyone ever have that many?

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Ironic username for one that doesn't use one... Resellers buy GTCs, thus it's completely illogical to pass accusations that it's in their interest to raise prices lmao. *Whallops with duh Clue-By-Four* The only people who benefit from higher prices are those whom buy the GTCs in the first place, it's resellers that forge the relationships with steady clients and conduct negotiations that lower their prices.

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ok personally this erks me. specially with the amber sit, i have done business with amber several times, and have had no problem with her. if people are willing to pay more to buy from her that is thier choice. i just liked being able to get rid of my gtc's fast. now that its gonna tale me about a month to move 20gtc's i dont think ill ever buy another one..

thanks CCP for ruining a good thing

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...

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changes coming for etc's and game time cards
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19
To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.
This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.

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Originally by: Slackiekommando

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A quick NOTE:

Quote:

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changes coming for etc's and game time cards
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19
To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.
This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.

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So now i buy a GTC for 90 for 38.99 and with the new GTC system i will save 4 dollars and loose 30 days?

What gives?

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changes coming for etc's and game time cards
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.05.22 13:57:19
To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards, CCP will introduce new 60-day EVE Time Codes (ETC) and Game Time Cards (GTC) for $34.99 USD. These will replace the 30- and 90-day cards that were previously available through authorized resellers and the 50- and 100-day cards sold in the EVE Store. This will affect both online ETC's and Game Time Cards sold in the EVE Online Store. Orders may still be placed for time cards of all increments while supplies last or until the changeover to the new 60-day cards goes into effect on June 15, 2008.
This change will not affect other payment options such as credit cards etc.

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Originally by: Axan

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Dear GMs or CCP Staff,

please let us know for how long the old 90d ETCs will remain valid after the June 15, 2008. Will you still be able to sell/bye a 90 day ETC here on forums, assuming the fact that the original ETC was purchased before June 15, 2008.

For example, I still own a valid 90d ETC. Will I be able to either sell it via Eve's secure ETC selling system or apply it directly to my character after June 15, 2008? It's all so confusing...

Please enlighten us!

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Originally by: Trader Katie

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Edited by: Trader Katie on 28/06/2008 06:21:42
Edited by: Trader Katie on 28/06/2008 01:00:42
Mr. Stark The price of the gtc has gone up for several reasons.

First the cost of buying the gtc has gone up to 35 dollars for a 60 day gtc.

Second not as many players are buying the gtc to sell. That is the way supply and demand works. Right now it is a sellers market and not a buyers market.null

In the past the 90 day gtc sold for alot less than they where worth and now sellers are getting a decent price for there gtc you are getting mad.

Also i think it would be a great idea for you to drop your 2 extra accounts it would help reduce the lag.

CPT GUPPY you are right the gtc time code system was not broken before and it is not broken now.

First if ccp just raised the price the price of the 30 and 90 gtc i guess you think you should just be able to buy the gtc for the same isk as you paid before that is not a solution to the problem that gtc sellers where not getting a fair price for there 90 day gtc.

In closing I am not happy about paying more for my gtc but, I am glad to see that players are getting a fair price for there gtc.

let me quote Hellena Brant like everything ealse in the EVE universe the Market is player drive and fluctuates up and down.

I posted the link Where Hellena Brant made that statemaent

Linkage

Mr Stark and CPT GUPPY one solution if you want to see prices drop for gtc is that you each buy 10 gtc for 35 dollars from shattercrystals or battleclinic and then sell them for 275 mill each. You see prices drop when they are more sellers than buyers.

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